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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:03 pm

    The situation in Afghanistan is changing rapidly: several hours ago Taliban forces entered the Afghan city of Kandahar.

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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:05 pm

    Taliban Seize Another Checkpoint on Afghan-Iranian Border, Reports Say
    https://sputniknews.com/asia/202107091083348372-taliban-seize-another-checkpoint-on-afghan-iranian-border-reports-say/


    Kabul Calls on Russia, India, China to Help Fight Terrorism in Afghanistan
    https://sputniknews.com/world/202107091083351107-kabul-calls-on-russia-india-china-to-help-fight-terrorism-in-afghanistan/

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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:58 pm

    Russia will promptly react to Afghanistan-related threats, says security official


    According to Deputy Secretary Alexander Venediktov, the Security Council maintains regular contact with the Afghan government. "Moreover, we aim to support them if the situation in the country deteriorates," he stressed

    KIRZHACH /Vladimir Region/, July 9. /TASS/. The Russian Security Council will carry on contacts with Kabul as the situation in Afghanistan deteriorates, and it will react promptly to any arising threats, Deputy Secretary of the Russian Security Council Alexander Venediktov told TASS on Friday.

    "As you know, there is a whole range of threats and challenges from Afghanistan to Russia. Of course, we, as the Security Council, must react to this quickly," the deputy security secretary said.

    According to him, the Security Council maintains regular contact with the Afghan government. "Moreover, we aim to support them if the situation in the country deteriorates," Venediktov stressed.

    He recalled that in early July, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev held talks with National Security Adviser of Afghanistan Hamdullah Mohib. "Among other things, they discussed measures that would facilitate regional stability and avoid further degradation of the situation," the official said.

    When asked whether peaceful regulation in Afghanistan is possible, the Russian deputy security chief said: "There is always a chance, if there is goodwill from all sides, first and foremost from [the participants] of domestic Afghan reconciliation."

    Clashes between the Afghan government forces and the Taliban (outlawed in Russia) intensified after US President Joe Biden’s decision to end the US operation in Afghanistan. As of July 6, the US has withdrawn over 90% of its forces. Afghan officials have repeatedly said that the Taliban movement is scaling up its offensive operations.
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    Alexander Venediktov pointed out that the Taliban movement’s influence in Afghanistan is growing but it is too early to say that they can take under control the entire territory of the country.

    "We receive information about the growth of their (Taliban’s) influence, that they seize this or those provinces, but so far I think it is too early to say [that the Taliban has a chance to regain control of Afghanistan]," he said.

    "Because we see that active combat operations are conducted," he added.

    According to Venediktov, the Taliban typically demonstrates increased activities at the end of the springtime. "So, I would refrain from hasty conclusions that the Taliban can take under control the situation in the entire country," he stressed.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:02 am

    Most of the Afghan government forces will either change sides or take off their uniform and just go home.

    The Taleban will have a few people they will want to string up, but for the vast majority things will go back to normal.

    Feuds in Afghanistan are a normal way of life, though they took on a new dimension when the Soviets invaded in the late 1970s because the 303 rifles from the last British invasion were replaced with assault rifles and mortars and rocket launchers.

    The feuds often remained symbolic where a member of one village would walk to within 2km of the neighbouring village and fire a few shots in their general direction and that was enough to satisfy them and keep the feud going for another few months...

    When the Soviets went in there the local villagers would join the government forces and go to battle when a village they were feuding with was attacked but if they moved on they would often leave their uniform and gun and go home.

    Sometimes muj forces would do the same if the government forces happened to be fighting someone they were having a feud with.

    Often the Soviet commanders would pay off muj commanders and supply blankets for the winter just to get them to have a ceasefire, or if one muj commander was fighting another muj commander often they might join a government/Soviet attack on them, but then leave afterwards of course.

    I really don't think the Americans bothered to take the time to understand the Afghans.... if they did they would have declared victory and left when OBL was killed.

    It would have tied it all off nicely and they could claim it was a victory... they did what they went there for.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:47 am

    The Taleban will be in charge soon enough... but so what... it wasn't the Taleban that planned and implemented the 11/9 attacks... that was Al Quada... the Taleban crushed the opium fields, and were generally good neighbours.

    They are not ISIS... trying to expand any Caliphate or such nonsense.
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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:36 pm

    Afghan government’s loss of popular support fuels Taliban’s rise, expert says


    However, if the Taliban movement tries to establish a brutal dictatorship after securing a victory, it won’t help end the conflict, Associate Professor at Moscow State University’s Institute for Asian and African Studies Vladislav Zaitsev said

    MOSCOW, July 10. /TASS/. The Afghan government’s loss of popular support is the reason for the current rise of the Taliban movement (outlawed in Russia), Associate Professor at Moscow State University’s Institute for Asian and African Studies Vladislav Zaitsev told TASS.

    "The Taliban have achieved success not because the people actively support them but because the people are strongly reluctant to support the Kabul regime," he explained. "As for the Taliban’s ideas, the people are first and foremost attracted by their strong criticism of the current regime and corruption. They also stand against drugs… Another important thing is that they strongly oppose foreign interference," Zaitsev added.

    However, if the Taliban movement tries to establish a brutal dictatorship after securing a victory, it won’t help end the conflict, the expert went on to say. "Afghanistan is a multi-ethnic country where various interests collide and religious differences are crucial. They [the Taliban] will hardly be able to restore full order in the country," Zaitsev concluded.

    The security situation in Afghanistan deteriorated in April after US President Joe Biden had announced plans to withdraw troops from the country. The Taliban movement has taken control of dozens of districts and a number of key crossings on the borders with Tajikistan, Iran and Pakistan.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:12 pm


    @ lancelot

    "..... Why bother with massive investments in a country which is stuck in the medieval age with harsh terrain, a possible security risk to their border, when they can make investments into relatively much more stable African countries?....... "

    The Chinese should make investments in Afghanistan to develop the nation against sectarian extremism. But also China needs as many Roads into west Asia as possible to ensure it's access to Asian and European markets. By Road and Rail link. Since this would be a cheaper and more viable option than to face the American navy on the High Sea.

    India must come to terms with this Euro - Asian economic expansion, and overcome it's fears of the rise of Asian powers. India too, wants access to Asian mainland and central Asia. So better go with the flow. The Pakistan / India conflict is now a historic fossil, brought about by the wonders of the Atomic age. Nothing will change there apart from occasional minor incidents that end in a fizzle. Like the dying embers of a fire.

    All nations in Asia that benefit from economic growth, can contribute to providing security to transport systems and building of commercial hubs. Those that oppose will loose out and will be the loosers. A joint multi- national task force can ensure safe passage of goods and protection of commercial hubs. Russia and India have much to gain by this also. Encirclement by NATO, will become impossible for Russia. India will have choices apart from America. Africa will need a sea Route. Another plan. A 1000 ship navy......

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:45 pm

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    According to multiple sources in Kandahar, Third battalion for third border brigade surrendered in Spin Boldak — 160 fighters with weapons and vehicles - a stronghold of the Achakzai tribe and the home of former police chief of Kandahar General Raziq.

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    Consulates remain open in Kandahar, Mazar, says India as Taliban makes rapid gains in Afghanistan


    https://www.wionews.com/india-news/consulates-remain-open-in-kandahar-mazar-says-india-as-taliban-makes-rapid-gains-in-afghanistan-396302
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:55 pm

    There can be no genocide or ethnic cleansing by the Taliban. There can be no Yemen style Saudi / US blockade. Other ethnic communities should be protected. Either directly or indirectly by Iran and Russia and China. To stop the disease from spreading. The Pakistanis may not be able to help. Since they are also afflicted. If the Taliban play fair, then they will be included. Otherwise they will be excluded. Neighbouring countries then should open borders for passage of humanitarian aid and defensive forces to create a buffer zone between fighting forces.
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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:55 pm

    this Afghan Army from 80s to present times remains the same S..T
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:09 pm

    AP Interview: Afghan warlord slams govt, quick US goodbye

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    Fri, July 9, 2021, 10:57 AM·6 min read

    MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan (AP) — A powerful warlord in northern Afghanistan and a key U.S. ally in the 2001 defeat of the Taliban blames a fractious Afghan government and an “irresponsible” American departure for the insurgents' recent rapid territorial gains across the north.
    Ata Mohammad Noor, who is among those behind the latest attempt to halt the Taliban advances by creating more militias, told The Associated Press that the Afghan military is badly demoralized. He said Washington’s quick exit left the Afghan military logistically unprepared for the Taliban onslaught.
    In an interview at his opulent home in Mazar-e-Sharif, the main city of the north, he said that even he had not expected the Taliban's rapid wins, particularly in nearby Badakhshan province in the country’s northeast corner.
    “It was surprising for me that in 24 hours, 19 districts of Badakhshan were surrendered without a fight,” said Noor.
    He said in some areas the Taliban were small in number, perhaps even too few to capture a district, yet the military handed over their weapons and left. Reports and photos widely shared on social media show some government officials in the provincial capital of Faizabad boarding one of the last commercial flights to Kabul. The Afghan capital remains in government hands.
    The 57-year-old Noor is one of the powerhouse players as Afghanistan enters what many fear will be a chaotic new chapter, with the final withdrawal of U.S. and NATO troops. He commands a personal militia with thousands of fighters. Once the governor of Balkh province, where Mazar-e-Sharif is the capital, he effectively still runs the province. As head of Jamiat-e-Islami, one of Afghanistan’s strongest parties, he wields influence across the north.
    Though nominally united in opposition to the Taliban, he and other warlords are often bitter rivals. With the government weak and the insurgents gaining, the potential for violent fragmentation is high.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:05 am

    Taliban will be in control in less than an year if not sooner.

    since the first deployment there we all new as infantry this was never going to work.
    NATO should have packed its bags right there and then.


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    The reasons why it does not work is a bit more complicated.

    The political leadership controlling NATO purposely where ignoring what their own forces reported back to them.
    The fact the arms industry in the west needs to sell its over-priced sub-standard weaponry to keep the war going.

    We as Western forces quickly learned the afghans, by the time we came into the theater hated the americans just as much as the soviets.
    But at first we convinced them we where not like them.
    Of course our politicians sold them the first chance they had to save their own political carreers.

    In the first deployment of my nation's millitary, where i was part off. We convinced the Afghans to pick our side, they warned us Taliban would come at night to give out punishments for betraying them. We stated we would protect them.

    We meanth that, we took over the local police building in the middle of town. created machine-gun nests with sandbags, snipers, and send out patrols at night with heat-sensitive optics and night vision. We had Infra-red illumination from our main base mortars if we needed to on command.
    We had an nearby outpost located on an hill with very accurate radar systems and optics that was an technological marvel. It could sense anything moving in and around town larger than a cat. We where pretty confident ourselves.

    Politicians found out what we where doing in Afghanistan. And ordered us to drop what we where doing after the first night of combat patrols trough the street. it was in the afternoon then.

    The politicians told the government party's that this was an reconstruction mission. And they could not sell the story if we happened to end up in night-time street to street combat with Taliban, where we took casualty's.

    We questioned command, pointing out what would happen if we left now. Our command had their own questions towards the top political leaders. But they received an direct order to pull us back.

    So, we did. with all expected consequences.
    Our base lied close to town. so we had a front-row seat at base of Taliban handing out repercussions.
    kids having ears cut off, as they attended our school we build.
    teachers executed, local leaders hung maimed from a tree on a hill for all to see.

    After that, any credibility we might have had was lost forever with the afghans.

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    Another contributing factor was the tribal system of the Afghans themselves.
    they are in constant competition with eachother.

    We had this large mobile well-drilling rig with us, that was there to set up our FOB's water supply.
    We figured we could also use it to help the afghans in drilling water-wells for them.
    on itself an good idea right?.

    Well, we invited all the leaders of the tribes in town. And as we could not drill an hole for everyone at once. We had an lottery of who got an well first, and the other's in consequent order.

    The same evening, an firefight broke out as they where shooting eachother over who gets an water-well first.

    Another example was an Interpreter trying to patch up this ancient rivalry between two tribes. Being an former afghan refugee himself he tried to explain to them their rivalry was like to the 2nd world war between my nation and Germany. but that we buried the hatchet and where good tradepartners and wealthy.

    It took 15 seconds for them grabbing the AK and proclaiming this only could be settled in blood.
    The interpreter was just dumb-struck. we told him that he tried, but no ammount of words was going to fix this anger.
    To just pack his bags and come home with us.

    Lastly, we tried to hand over our zones of control to the ANA (afghan national army).
    At first, it was quiet. the zones they'd control seemed to be peacefull.
    After a few weeks, shit started to happen around those area's we did not see in an while.
    I.E.D's, Taliban knew what we where doing, etc.
    So we send in an platoon to check what was going on.

    As soon our platoon entered town they where met with angry locals.
    Turned out, the ANA troops where of an different tribe as the majority of town.
    And i kid you not, the ANA robbed the townspeople of all their posessions.
    After some back and forth shouting with the ANA soldiers we forced ourselves on their base.
    And found all the posessions back in the ANA tents the townpeople told us where stolen from them.


    How do you expect any unity with this kind of tribalism?.

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    Also NATO members did an good job of screwing over eachother.
    Working with our american overlords was always an point of frustration for any NATO member.

    In one particular deadly case of screwing eachother was Italy vs. France.

    Italy was before France responsible for the security around Kabul.
    And as italy was in control, Kabul was quiet and stable.

    Unknown to everyone, Italy's government paid the local Taliban to not attack them and keep quiet.

    Of course, the French. scheduled to take over the Italians did not know this.
    And made risk-assesements that where nowhere near the reality of what was going on in the field.

    The Italians Left, and France took over. Taliban knowing this and being well-funded prepared to engage the French.
    The French walked into hell in the uzbin Valley. I have seen the briefings,radio traffic and footage.

    The French really gave everything they had, They where fighting at 50-30 meters range with Taliban at some points in time American A-10 support did not dare to fire at first in fear of hitting the French. there is not much you can do against mercenary snipers, mortars and taliban that outnumber you on your own.
    As the French ran out of munitions the A-10's commited to attack anyway.

    Remember, this was just dismounted infantry. As it was supposed to be an quiet AO. air, artillery and heavy support was not reserved/available.
    The french stood with their backs against the walls and pulled French air assets from NATO command in Afghanistan as they needed them. and needed them urgently.

    ...and not to mention all the plastic TS/VS-50 italian landmines and other plastic models we found all over Afghanistan.
    Because our engineers did not have enough trouble searching every inch of road for explosives.

    And the list of problems in Afghanistan  goes on, and goes on, and goes on.
    it could be posts on their own if i need to explain them all.

    -American Millitary absurd levels of use of force.
    -The incredibly redundant structure of the taliban itself that grew out of the CIA program of the Afghanistan-soviet war.
    -The foreign mercenary's that work for the Taliban.
    -The extreme corruption operations of the CIA and Afghan Government.
    -own governments willingly betraying their own troops to avoid political backlash.
    -Western media actively acting on the behest of the western governments and censorship.

    to close on an personal note. Off Topic
    I really have experienced horiffic things.
    But i am not a snowflake and after some time of stiff-drinking back home i rationalised i was not the one making these decisions and had no control over what happened.
    I really signed up with ideals, that where nowhere to be found in an warzone.

    I got out of the tours in Afghanistan and the Army relatively good.
    Saying relatively good, as seeing this series episode a few nights ago of the show "for all mankind" seeing this russian cosmonaut burning alive in his suit because of getting shot at hit maybe a little bit closer to home than i liked for just a few seconds.
    I mean, just an realisation of what happened and go "right....that happened back then".
    This driver's APC got hit with an RPG in the engine compartment, The engine walls buckled crushing his legs and the engines fuel and oil lines ruptured and spewed combustible shit all over him. It ignited and burned him alive. the vehicles radio was transmitting as he screamed and we saw the black smoke rising from the distance as we where racing trough the desert towards them.

    The infantry in the rear killed the vehicles master switch, and unknown to us they extinguished the engine compartment and the driver.
    I was part of the QRF. The Taliban smelled blood as the APC was in black smoke and unresponsive and went onto the offense as they knew we could not go without salvaging the APC's Crew.
    I fired my .50 call trough cornfields at one point, in an left to right motion and saw bodyparts and sprays of blood flying above the cornfields.

    Like this was not enough for one day and returning to base, after this was all done and i saw the poor kid with legs amputated and being an charred mess of an human being getting dragged out of the APC as he was prepared for Medevac.
    They hand me an bucket as i was the "newbie" as i was barely 6 months out of airborne boot camp before i deployed.
    And tell me to go clean out the medic APC where he was in.
    As i opened the doors, its something you do not forget.
    the smell of burned meat, spend i.v's, bandages and spend bullet casings everywhere. blood that already caked to the floor creating this sticky substance.

    You do not go to Afghanistan as an Airborne soldier. and go home scar-free.

    For the rest, im fine. I got an good civilian job now, an home and functional social life.
    I want to enjoy life as it is post-millitary service.

    I know this is an public post for everyone to see. In real-life i do not tell these things easily.
    But i feel it is better that people know these things than they get lost to time.
    Afghanistan is now an closed chapter. But there happened so many things there.

    Back home it does not end well for many soldiers. PTSD, Life-altering injuries, suicide.
    i had roommates on base waking up in panic in the middle of the night, an member of my unit hung himself in the store-room.
    Another unit's member shot himself in Afghanistan, he took a jeep and shot himself in the head with his service rifle.
    Most drink themselves to death and keep blaming themselves.
    No matter how much someone that went trough their experience too tells them it is not.
    i tried that myself, to point their quality's out and try to give what happened an place.
    To look forward to being with their fammily's and an job in the civilian life.
    i really dont know how much of that talking of mine worked tough in the end.

    Of course there are also soldiers that went on deployment and milking the PTSD card for all it has.
    Some logistical soldier claiming to have PTSD from seeing and IED strike from 300 meters away in his armoured cabin.
    Give me a break.

    In the end, a lot of people died there. Or returned home maimed for life physically and/or mentally.
    A lot of Weapon manufacturers and politicians made rediculous ammounts of money keeping this war going.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:44 am

    this Afghan Army from 80s to present times remains the same S..T

    They are just conscripts and they are essentially controlled by politicians too....

    @AirborneWolf, thanks for sharing.... I hope this is good therapy for you too... Smile

    War is organised violence that would mean serious jail time if you did it in peace time, but some billionaire wants to make a little more money, so off they go...

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 pm

    Yes, thank you AirborneWolf for sharing.

    Persons who do not go to war, or not married to person who did, really do not know.


    Zubair ahmad.Kandahari@zubairahmadka
    The Taliban also hoisted the Islamic Emirate's flag over the Sher_Khan port.
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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1414195163321282561



    Tariq Ghazniwal@TGhazniwal1·
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    A Kabul regime's ANDSF ANA important base surrendered To Taliban in Kandahar .


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1414152231973179392


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    In this video you can see the Facist Taliban looting civilian houses after taking district and killing them, Afghans are crying, their houses is burning, their properties have been destroyed
    These all of just because of stregetic deepth policy towards Afghns.
    TalibanOurEnemy

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1414149453322272771


    Tariq Ghazniwal@TGhazniwal1·
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    American weapons siezed by Taliban From Kabul regime's ANDSF in Farah

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1413925308735045632

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:48 am

    The Taliban is not slowing down.

    They continue to take ground, Afghan forces continue to surrender to them.

    One twitter showed the Taliban executing persons by blowing them up with a land mine.

    & they are burning Afghan persons' houses.


    https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    @AirborneWolf, thanks for sharing.... I hope this is good therapy for you too... Smile

    War is organised violence that would mean serious jail time if you did it in peace time, but some billionaire wants to make a little more money, so off they go...

    Thanks garry and everyone else for the support Wink.

    @Garry

    Haha well, you know the saying "what has been seen, can not be unseen?" Razz.
    I am good, i have no nightmares or anything. Just a few things gives me sometimes an reminder of events there. nothing more.

    For me, it is more that almost nobody knows what happened out there.
    this war went on for 20 years and people in the west can not even point out Afghanistan on the map.

    And hollywood makes one movie "the outpost" and its portrayed like this unique event.
    it was not unique, it happened out there on an regular basis.

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    FOB Martello 2006. Dutch-owned and manned on the route from Kandahar to Tarin-Kowt, Uruzgan.
    They got assaulted from 360 degrees from mountains just like in the movie.
    The troops where playing cards when the bullets started flying trough their tents.
    Gunners crawled to their YPR APC's to man the 25MM cannons. Without power, they switched to mechanical control and just fired at every muzzle flash they saw.
    One mortar operator ran in his underwear under heavy fire to get the ballistic calculator from his tent.
    The Dutch AH-64's in Tarin Kowt did not even wait for approval of RC South. They wanted to save their guys on the ground.
    The next morning Dead taliban hung in the concertina wiring of their camp everywhere.
    The Dutch closed the FOB shortly after this, as the location could not be properly defended.
    The Dutch instead turned to their PZH-2000 systems for defense on the route and increasing the size of the platoons heading out.

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    Nomad Base 2009, canadian owned.
    calling in over RC-south HF NET. requesting CAS (close air support). Their request was not valid
    As their own position and enemy position where the same. We also tought they where just making an mistake under pressure.

    RC-South requested to check the data, enemy and friendly where identical.
    The Canadian officer that was clearly in panic shouted they are one and the same. Taliban where storming Nomad Base after blowing the main gate with an suicide bomber truck.
    He did not know where the others where on base, he was in there with his medic and an soldier and locked down the bunker doors.
    He heard gunfire but could not tell from who.
    their own infantry was out 40 minutes, they had no means of reaching them anymore. suspecting the FM antenna's where shot on the roof.
    The only radio that worked was the HF RC-South Radio.
    We looked at eachother in horror, but so RC-south as it took them 4 seconds before responding.

    French Rafale's where refueling mid-air for the way home. they where empty on the wings.
    They where ordered by RC South to stop refueling immidiatly and break off to check out Nomad Base. Tanker was to remain on station untill further notice.
    RC South ordered all aircraft in the air curently not tasked in CAS to report weapon loadout.
    RC South contacted the infantry's FAC (foward air controller) specialist that contacts and directs CAS aircraft on target.
    RC south learned they had received the FM transmission and where heading at maximum urgency back to base.

    RC south tried to contact nomad Base, no response.
    In our Ops, we looked up the coordinates. they where way beyond artillery range.
    even flying our AH-64's could not reach it and have enough fuel to come back.

    the Rafale's reported back to RC-south. Main gate was gone, watchtowers lay down, and an crater at the main entrance with fire surrounding it.
    multiple non-nato vehicles on base and still on approach to the base. There still seemed to be combat going on.
    They saw large dust clouds of the infantry platoon in the distance returning to base.
    RC South asked if they had guns. French Rafale replied with "yes,not used".
    RC South gave the command to kill anything non-nato around the base. no warning shots.
    Rafale's acknowledged, discussing who would take north of the base and the other took south in order not to get in eachother's way.

    Eventually the infantry made it back to Nomad base, and all we heard was Nomad Base reporting they secured the Base as their own infantry cleared the base of Hostiles.
    Overhead F-15's confirmed the Canadian LAV's where at the command bunker. turrets rotating and dismounted NATO infantry around them.
    We heard nothing more after that.

    ---

    White compound, Dutch. 2007. it is also known as the battle of Chora.
    The base was technically not assaulted directly. but the infantry inside where cut off and surrounded by advancing Taliban.
    as the last route of escape was about to close, they called Dutch Command.
    They received their final order. Stand and fight untill reinforcements arrived.
    The Dutch Millitary could not accept another Srebrenica.
    So the dutch troops there where cut off, and stood with their backs against the walls.
    I spoke to guys that where there, they written goodbye letters to their fammily's.
    buried it deep on base and told Command where it was.
    They went on to do what needed to be done.
    i know it sounds surrealistic, but it really happened. look it up if you want.

    The Dutch PZH-2000's auto-loader worked overtime shelling Taliban.
    An 155MM auto-loading giving continuous fire is something to behold.
    Intermittent radio traffic of the PZH-2000 receiving and confirming targeting data with the heavy mechanical machinery on the background.
    As a shot goes out, everything in the Ops-room shakes and vibrates in a few seconds of interval.

    As the drone footage showed Taliban picking up the weapons of the dead Taliban. The Dutch fired on them again.
    As the Taliban advanced closer and closer on the Dutch white compound the battle grew fiercer and fiercer.
    The Dutch pulled all their forces together in the region for an massive counter-attack.
    As they advanced towards the white compound they met heavy resistance. an APC got hit with casualty's, but they kept pressing on into the enemy.
    They knew they had to break the Taliban before they stormed the White compound with all the men inside.
    Radio traffic frantic with casualty reports, the Dutch AH-64's overhead telling troops to hold on.
    That they are coming back in 15 minutes with fresh munitions from TK (tarin kowt, Camp Hadrian of the Dutch nearby)
    Dutch F-16's radio in irritation they can not wait, they need clearance to land and need servicing and reload so they can go back.

    credit where credit is due, the american airforce when they learned about the battle at Chora at KAF went with bombs to the Dutch and asked them how much they needed for the next run.
    Their command did not gave their approval. they just showed up wanting to help. "off duty"
    They got their own F-16 technicians to help the Dutch to turn the aircraft around back to take-off as fast they could.

    ---

    .....but sure, these are isolated incidents right?.

    OEF (operation enduring freedom) and ISAF (international security and assistance force)
    sound like these peacefull and calm operations. dish out some Democracy here and there....

    We where dealing with full-blown war between spring and fall.
    there was nothing peacefull about it.

    you control an area peacefully up to spring, and Taliban come back over the border from Pakistan in the hundreds of thousands.
    the majority misguided young, violent people with an ideological mindset that are never in short supply. and an minority of highly proffesional and dangerous mercenary's.
    People in the west are given this portrayal taliban are just an collection of peasants with AK's. they are not.
    they are an network spanning iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Taliban Commanders never go to the same area twice.
    They work like western millitary's, they do deployments. gather in the winter months in pakistan/india and go back to the conflict zones with lessons learned.
    An bomb-maker or commander that was active in afghanistan and where you just grabbed some intell on. dissapears.
    and appears the next year in another country to do his work like Iraq.

    And we really create "our" as being NATO, Enemy's most of the time.
    Most of these taliban specialists have a background where we either killed their fammily in an collateral-damage strike or the intelligence services took an fammily member from them or the agressive foreign policys we enforce in the middle east.
    I will never justify terrorism and the only place for them is on the end of an gun-barrel.
    But i feel we also carry responsiblility for their choice in carreers.
    you can not bomb an fammily and expect the child to grow up not having serious resentment for the party that killed his own fammily in his own country.
    i have been at sites where the americans obliterated entire towns with B-1 strikes and propelled them into low-orbit around the earth.

    i really understand if you stumble from the rubble as an shell-shocked zombie looking for your relatives. and grow up with some serious resentment.
    An father came up to us, holding his dead child all grey from the dust and asked us to fix it.
    Our medic checked and told him the kid was dead, the father just nodded and shuffled away from us.
    We all told eachother it really is no wonder they hate the americans and us in extension.
    We really felth unworthy of the uniform we wore. ashamed.

    going back to the taliban and Afghanistan,
    they just execute succesfully what they did with the soviet union. wage war by attrition. Afghanistan is perfect for it.
    There is no unity in its population, its above 2000 meters above sea-level. So your airforce does not perform as it should.
    its enviroment with its fine dust and sharp rocks is perfectly made to wreck vehicles and aircraft engines.

    Taliban is not stupid either, they mostly try to try out the enemy they are dealing with.
    they often do some ambushes to see the responses of the units.
    They know we rotate forces and they are not quite the same.

    For example, one unit has an strong sense of duty and does not shy away from combat.
    another unit replacing it, might be very cautious. and does not like to engage unless they are sure they are in complete control.

    Taliban knows then to just wait out to the next rotation, and shift their strategy to I.E.D's.
    Or go on the offense and engage directly with the enemy.

    it happened often.
    I have seen "standard" infantry units that where just as disciplined as elite units. Where they took casualties, secured the Medevac site and pressed on with the engagement.
    Where they redistributed their command structure and Men and went back to engaging the enemy.

    and i have seen "standard" infantry units that where complete cowards.
    even when RPG's got shot at their FOB gaurd towers they where too scared to go out and engage the Taliban.
    leaving their replacements to pick up the pieces.

    I have no words for cowardice. it is simply disgracefull.
    History will always remember by your deeds.
    you should try to live up to that in your service and duty in my opinion.

    I hate being used for the wrong reasons, but i really believe in honor and serving your country.
    But not when your own politicians sell you and your allies out.
    And paint the russian contractors that help you as the bad guys in media back home.

    if not for the Russians, NATO ran out of supplies a long time ago in Afghanistan.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:23 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    That was rough

    I am glad you are doing okay, buddy

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    Post  George1 Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:31 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    @AirborneWolf, thanks for sharing.... I hope this is good therapy for you too... Smile

    War is organised violence that would mean serious jail time if you did it in peace time, but some billionaire wants to make a little more money, so off they go...

    Thanks garry and everyone else for the support Wink.

    @Garry

    Haha well, you know the saying "what has been seen, can not be unseen?" Razz.
    I am good, i have no nightmares or anything. Just a few things gives me sometimes an reminder of events there. nothing more.

    For me, it is more that almost nobody knows what happened out there.
    this war went on for 20 years and people in the west can not even point out Afghanistan on the map.

    And hollywood makes one movie "the outpost" and its portrayed like this unique event.
    it was not unique, it happened out there on an regular basis.

    ---

    FOB Martello 2006. Dutch-owned and manned on the route from Kandahar to Tarin-Kowt, Uruzgan.
    They got assaulted from 360 degrees from mountains just like in the movie.
    The troops where playing cards when the bullets started flying trough their tents.
    Gunners crawled to their YPR APC's to man the 25MM cannons. Without power, they switched to mechanical control and just fired at every muzzle flash they saw.
    One mortar operator ran in his underwear under heavy fire to get the ballistic calculator from his tent.
    The Dutch AH-64's in Tarin Kowt did not even wait for approval of RC South. They wanted to save their guys on the ground.
    The next morning Dead taliban hung in the concertina wiring of their camp everywhere.
    The Dutch closed the FOB shortly after this, as the location could not be properly defended.
    The Dutch instead turned to their PZH-2000 systems for defense on the route and increasing the size of the platoons heading out.

    ---

    Nomad Base 2009, canadian owned.
    calling in over RC-south HF NET. requesting CAS (close air support). Their request was not valid
    As their own position and enemy position where the same. We also tought they where just making an mistake under pressure.

    RC-South requested to check the data, enemy and friendly where identical.
    The Canadian officer that was clearly in panic shouted they are one and the same. Taliban where storming Nomad Base after blowing the main gate with an suicide bomber truck.
    He did not know where the others where on base, he was in there with his medic and an soldier and locked down the bunker doors.
    He heard gunfire but could not tell from who.
    their own infantry was out 40 minutes, they had no means of reaching them anymore. suspecting the FM antenna's where shot on the roof.
    The only radio that worked was the HF RC-South Radio.
    We looked at eachother in horror, but so RC-south as it took them 4 seconds before responding.

    French Rafale's where refueling mid-air for the way home. they where empty on the wings.
    They where ordered by RC South to stop refueling immidiatly and break off to check out Nomad Base. Tanker was to remain on station untill further notice.
    RC South ordered all aircraft in the air curently not tasked in CAS to report weapon loadout.
    RC South contacted the infantry's FAC (foward air controller) specialist that contacts and directs CAS aircraft on target.
    RC south learned they had received the FM transmission and where heading at maximum urgency back to base.

    RC south tried to contact nomad Base, no response.
    In our Ops, we looked up the coordinates. they where way beyond artillery range.
    even flying our AH-64's could not reach it and have enough fuel to come back.

    the Rafale's reported back to RC-south. Main gate was gone, watchtowers lay down, and an crater at the main entrance with fire surrounding it.
    multiple non-nato vehicles on base and still on approach to the base. There still seemed to be combat going on.
    They saw large dust clouds of the infantry platoon in the distance returning to base.
    RC South asked if they had guns. French Rafale replied with "yes,not used".
    RC South gave the command to kill anything non-nato around the base. no warning shots.
    Rafale's acknowledged, discussing who would take north of the base and the other took south in order not to get in eachother's way.

    Eventually the infantry made it back to Nomad base, and all we heard was Nomad Base reporting they secured the Base as their own infantry cleared the base of Hostiles.
    Overhead F-15's confirmed the Canadian LAV's where at the command bunker. turrets rotating and dismounted NATO infantry around them.
    We heard nothing more after that.

    ---

    White compound, Dutch. 2007. it is also known as the battle of Chora.
    The base was technically not assaulted directly. but the infantry inside where cut off and surrounded by advancing Taliban.
    as the last route of escape was about to close, they called Dutch Command.
    They received their final order. Stand and fight untill reinforcements arrived.
    The Dutch Millitary could not accept another Srebrenica.
    So the dutch troops there where cut off, and stood with their backs against the walls.
    I spoke to guys that where there, they written goodbye letters to their fammily's.
    buried it deep on base and told Command where it was.
    They went on to do what needed to be done.
    i know it sounds surrealistic, but it really happened. look it up if you want.

    The Dutch PZH-2000's auto-loader worked overtime shelling Taliban.
    An 155MM auto-loading giving continuous fire is something to behold.
    Intermittent radio traffic of the PZH-2000 receiving and confirming targeting data with the heavy mechanical machinery on the background.
    As a shot goes out, everything in the Ops-room shakes and vibrates in a few seconds of interval.

    As the drone footage showed Taliban picking up the weapons of the dead Taliban. The Dutch fired on them again.
    As the Taliban advanced closer and closer on the Dutch white compound the battle grew fiercer and fiercer.
    The Dutch pulled all their forces together in the region for an massive counter-attack.
    As they advanced towards the white compound they met heavy resistance. an APC got hit with casualty's, but they kept pressing on into the enemy.
    They knew they had to break the Taliban before they stormed the White compound with all the men inside.
    Radio traffic frantic with casualty reports, the Dutch AH-64's overhead telling troops to hold on.
    That they are coming back in 15 minutes with fresh munitions from TK (tarin kowt, Camp Hadrian of the Dutch nearby)
    Dutch F-16's radio in irritation they can not wait, they need clearance to land and need servicing and reload so they can go back.

    credit where credit is due, the american airforce when they learned about the battle at Chora at KAF went with bombs to the Dutch and asked them how much they needed for the next run.
    Their command did not gave their approval. they just showed up wanting to help. "off duty"
    They got their own F-16 technicians to help the Dutch to turn the aircraft around back to take-off as fast they could.

    ---

    .....but sure, these are isolated incidents right?.

    OEF (operation enduring freedom) and ISAF (international security and assistance force)
    sound like these peacefull and calm operations. dish out some Democracy here and there....

    We where dealing with full-blown war between spring and fall.
    there was nothing peacefull about it.

    you control an area peacefully up to spring, and Taliban come back over the border from Pakistan in the hundreds of thousands.
    the majority misguided young, violent people with an ideological mindset that are never in short supply. and an minority of highly proffesional and dangerous mercenary's.
    People in the west are given this portrayal taliban are just an collection of peasants with AK's. they are not.
    they are an network spanning iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Taliban Commanders never go to the same area twice.
    They work like western millitary's, they do deployments. gather in the winter months in pakistan/india and go back to the conflict zones with lessons learned.
    An bomb-maker or commander that was active in afghanistan and where you just grabbed some intell on. dissapears.
    and appears the next year in another country to do his work like Iraq.

    And we really create "our" as being NATO, Enemy's most of the time.
    Most of these taliban specialists have a background where we either killed their fammily in an collateral-damage strike or the intelligence services took an fammily member from them or the agressive foreign policys we enforce in the middle east.
    I will never justify terrorism and the only place for them is on the end of an gun-barrel.
    But i feel we also carry responsiblility for their choice in carreers.
    you can not bomb an fammily and expect the child to grow up not having serious resentment for the party that killed his own fammily in his own country.
    i have been at sites where the americans obliterated entire towns with B-1 strikes and propelled them into low-orbit around the earth.

    i really understand if you stumble from the rubble as an shell-shocked zombie looking for your relatives. and grow up with some serious resentment.
    An father came up to us, holding his dead child all grey from the dust and asked us to fix it.
    Our medic checked and told him the kid was dead, the father just nodded and shuffled away from us.
    We all told eachother it really is no wonder they hate the americans and us in extension.
    We really felth unworthy of the uniform we wore. ashamed.

    going back to the taliban and Afghanistan,
    they just execute succesfully what they did with the soviet union. wage war by attrition. Afghanistan is perfect for it.
    There is no unity in its population, its above 2000 meters above sea-level. So your airforce does not perform as it should.
    its enviroment with its fine dust and sharp rocks is perfectly made to wreck vehicles and aircraft engines.

    Taliban is not stupid either, they mostly try to try out the enemy they are dealing with.
    they often do some ambushes to see the responses of the units.
    They know we rotate forces and they are not quite the same.

    For example, one unit has an strong sense of duty and does not shy away from combat.
    another unit replacing it, might be very cautious. and does not like to engage unless they are sure they are in complete control.

    Taliban knows then to just wait out to the next rotation, and shift their strategy to I.E.D's.
    Or go on the offense and engage directly with the enemy.

    it happened often.
    I have seen "standard" infantry units that where just as disciplined as elite units. Where they took casualties, secured the Medevac site and pressed on with the engagement.
    Where they redistributed their command structure and Men and went back to engaging the enemy.

    and i have seen "standard" infantry units that where complete cowards.
    even when RPG's got shot at their FOB gaurd towers they where too scared to go out and engage the Taliban.
    leaving their replacements to pick up the pieces.

    I have no words for cowardice. it is simply disgracefull.
    History will always remember by your deeds.
    you should try to live up to that in your service and duty in my opinion.

    I hate being used for the wrong reasons, but i really believe in honor and serving your country.
    But not when your own politicians sell you and your allies out.
    And paint the russian contractors that help you as the bad guys in media back home.

    if not for the Russians, NATO ran out of supplies a long time ago in Afghanistan.

    and yes, this is me in the picture.
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    what would you suggest as a solution to Afghanistan situation?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:08 am

    @ george1,

    there is simply no solution to Afghanistan.
    the opertunities we have had. we burned a long time ago.

    The afghan culture itself makes it impossible.
    they see eachother as constant competitors in their tribal system.

    i really would have given you an good answer, but i do not know what the answer is to fix Afghanistan.


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    Post  medo Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:54 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:The Taliban is not slowing down.

    They continue to take ground, Afghan forces continue to surrender to them.

    One twitter showed the Taliban executing persons by blowing them up with a land mine.

    & they are burning Afghan persons' houses.


    https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9

    Look better. It is ISIS, which US bring to Afghanistan, who blow captured persond by blowing up.
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    Post  jhelb Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:15 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:i really would have given you an good answer, but i do not know what the answer is to fix Afghanistan.
    What kind of shambolic training did N.A.T.O/U.S provide to Afghan military that at the slightest possibility of a Taliban onslaught thousands of soldiers from Afghanistan are fleeing to Tajikistan?

    Realizing that the situation is worsening by the day, Russia has already started carrying out military drills in Tajikistan.

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9
    This twitter handle has been created by Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:25 pm

    going back to the taliban and Afghanistan,
    they just execute succesfully what they did with the soviet union. wage war by attrition. Afghanistan is perfect for it.

    They got plenty of training from all sorts of western special forces since the early 1980s... there were even Japanese special forces there... apparently a rather rich Japanese gentleman wanted to get the experience of killing someone with a sword and so he went over there with a group of mercs and took a camera crew to try to get a soviet soldier to "fight"... didn't read how it worked out though.

    As mentioned by our handsome friend, the average afghans are mostly a victim of both sides, and most of the fighting... most of the fanatics come over the border from all sorts of countries looking for a fight because they are angry over this or that.

    There are so many different factions and so many different alliances that often change many that might be in the Afghan government are of the wrong clan so that is not an option... they don't just disappear... they have to find other users for their skills.

    People talk about ISIS like they fell from space... the vast majority were Saddams soldiers who lost their jobs as soon as the Americans rolled in... they still know how to fight and more importantly how to plan and organise logistics and countries like Saudi Arabia throw money at them.

    The solution for Afghanistan is for America to leave completely... for them to settle things... and then for things to go back to what can be as normal as they can achieve.

    Once they have a government hopefully including some of the acceptable parts of the existing government, but obviously not including all of it, then negotiations with neighbours about opening trade and rebuilding the country can start.
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    Post  Sujoy Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:05 pm

    Hundreds of Taliban fighters are being trained in jihadi group Lashkar e Taiba's camps at Hyderabad, a town in Pakistan’s Punjab province located between Faisalabad and Dera Ismail Khan in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province. The training was done with the support of the Pakistani military

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/paks-terror-groups-join-taliban-war-india-wary-101625942135382.html

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:51 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Hundreds of Taliban fighters are being trained in jihadi group Lashkar e Taiba's camps at Hyderabad, a town in Pakistan’s Punjab province located between Faisalabad and Dera Ismail Khan in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province. The training was done with the support of the Pakistani military

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/paks-terror-groups-join-taliban-war-india-wary-101625942135382.html


    I read the same this morning on twitter.

    FrontalforceFlag of India@FrontalForce·
    3h
    Reports: After overrunning many areas in Afghanistan, 1000s of Taliban have entered North Waziristan in Pakistan & established their rule over there by asking Women to not leave their homes. Pak forces have already gone in hiding.


    FrontalforceFlag of India@FrontalForce·
    Thousands of Pak terrorists from Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and other groups are currently fighting alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan in a clear violation of the 2020 peace deal signed by the Taliban and the US, according to reports from security agencies.
    12:05 AM · Jul 12, 202

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:42 pm

    Got it. Afghani love Taliban and on top of it Taliban are great fighters. Taliban it is then.

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