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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:57 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:04 pm

    Inevitable. The US had better dig out their old 'Saigon Exit' training videos.

    Seem to remember the phrase "US not agreement capable".


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    The Taliban have issued a statement on the latest remarks by US President Joe Biden on Afghanistan. As expected, the Taliban are making it clear that they will continue the jihad unless all foreign troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan by May in accordance with the Doha Agreement


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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:03 am

    I find it amazing that American politicians seem to think that when dealing with any agreement that they can change the conditions or pull out entirely but the other party they expect to stick strictly to the conditions of the agreement.

    This is going to get American soldiers killed and for some reason it will be someone elses fault...

    Remember of the Criticism of Trump who was merely following the agreement the US signed... there wont be anything like any sort of criticism for creepy joe for essentially breaking the truce agreement... but you can see it coming yet it will still be a surprise to western media....
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Remember of the Criticism of Trump who was merely following the agreement the US signed... there wont be anything like any sort of criticism for creepy joe for essentially breaking the truce agreement... but you can see it coming yet it will still be a surprise to western media....

    Not just a surprise, it will be the Taliban's fault of course.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:09 am

    And no one will question that it is the Talebans fault, but if some maverick does, then the blame will go to Trump for negotiating a bad deal...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:39 am







    https://www.juancole.com/2021/04/afghanistan-disaster-dropping.html


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    Post  elconquistador Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:23 am

    I'd like to hear some members' opinion on this.

    By now it should be pretty obvious that the Biden/Blinken team (neoliberals) are hardcore warmongering ideologues that view the world through a much different lense than let's say a pragmaticist like Trump

    Trump was an isolationist whk put America First and frankly didn't really care about neo-con/neo-liberal ideas about Empire building. Biden-Blinken can't say the same. Afghanistan holds many valuable minerables, is geopolitically important (encircling China/Russia) and was supposed to be the staging point of an Wahabbi insurgency in XinJiang.

    The moment the Americans move out the Chinese will move in. In fact they already do, by their usual business oriented non military means.

    So what's the neo-libs motive/rationale here?

    *Is this a clear pivot away from the War on Terror narrative that has been the main argument for nearly foreign endeavours in the last 20 years?

    *Is this sheer neoliberal incompetence in line with what we've seen before from these one-dimensional simpletons?

    *Is the Empire overextended and have they decided to focus their resources elsewhere (ie. South East Asia/Taiwan, Ukraine/Eastern Europe, the Middle East)?

    *Is there something they aren't telling us? Ie. Another aligned military moving in (Turkey?)?

    So what's the deal here? I am puzzled.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:48 pm


    Taliban are winning plain and simple and it's only a matter of time before they are back in charge

    USA and the Taliban have had a peace treaty in place for a while

    US troops have also been holed up in the cities for the past several years which is why they have such low casualty count lately

    In the meantime Afghan military had 15k casualties last year with current year projections going as high as 20k andare losing territory rapidly

    Soon they will have Kabul, it's inevitable

    The war is lost, USA just wants to get out before it becomes official so they can offload that blame for the loss on Afghan Military and avoid another possible Saigon Send-off

    They spent 20 years, trillions of dollars and 2500 lives just to end up the same way Soviets did and that was without anyone arming and funding the Taliban

    Ain't that something...


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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:00 pm

    I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:05 am

    lancelot wrote:I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.

    Taliban make billions off taxing local mining industry, opium production and protection racket from Chinese companies

    They don't need funding

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:47 pm

    I'd like to hear some members' opinion on this.

    First of all he is missing the agreed deadline of May, which might create problems.

    Second he is withdrawing the 2,500 soldiers officially there, so the thousands of Special Forces and CIA spooks and probably about 15,000 merc contractors will likely remain.

    The moment the Americans move out the Chinese will move in. In fact they already do, by their usual business oriented non military means.

    Afghanistan is a difficult place to do business... Biden is probably officially withdrawing before stirring shit up in Ukraine and Syria to reduce options for the victims to hit them back in response.

    *Is this a clear pivot away from the War on Terror narrative that has been the main argument for nearly foreign endeavours in the last 20 years?

    It is too useful to give up.... it does not need to be applied with any common sense or reason... the US is helping the terrorism in Syria which means it is funding groups that operate alongside ISIS and Al quada, and many other drop kicks you wouldn't let look at your daughter let alone work for you.

    But it is something they can wave when they need to.

    They are declaring victory and having done everything they could do in Afghanistan they are bravely running away...

    If they decide they want to go back they can claim the Taleban are working with ISIS or Al Quada or just Iran and send troops back into harms way.

    *Is this sheer neoliberal incompetence in line with what we've seen before from these one-dimensional simpletons?

    Trump gave them an out and they can take it but call it their own win at the next election cycle.

    *Is the Empire overextended and have they decided to focus their resources elsewhere (ie. South East Asia/Taiwan, Ukraine/Eastern Europe, the Middle East)?

    Money would certainly come in to it but they will be still spending money on the ground getting access to areas of interest and keeping civilian workers safe.

    *Is there something they aren't telling us?

    Safest to assume... yes... always.

    They spent 20 years, trillions of dollars and 2500 lives just to end up the same way Soviets did and that was without anyone arming and funding the Taliban

    Ain't that something...

    The sad fact is that for all the money they spent in the 1980s and for the last 20 years blowing things up, they could have made it the most modern country in the region, but even the good things they tried to do ended up in someones pocket rather than in concrete and steel...

    I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.

    Would not surprise me if Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are still funding and arming them, but equally would not be surprised if the CIA was still directing funds there too.... under the counter to keep some poppy fields growing so to speak.

    They don't need funding

    Which is not to say they would refuse any that was on offer.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:45 pm

    No mention of US technical support contractors with their mercenary, sorry contractor, protection working on US supplied systems like aircraft. Or the huge CIA presence. Definitely a believe it when we see it.

    Yesterday a Taliban spokesman said OK to (the one sided, imposed) September. Today a different one said they were holding the US to the jointly agreed May 1st with the obvious consequences.

    I'm pretty certain that there will be no way that the Taliban will allow the US to exit gracefully claiming some kind of victory. That is, getting out with more honour than the Brits or Russians.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:13 am

    Leaving Afghanistan, Biden prepares the Chinese front https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3245131.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:52 pm

    There are apparently approx 18000 other US or US paid assets that seem to have been omitted from the US plans. I doubt the Taliban will overlook them.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unclear-if-over-18000-contractors-will-ever-leave-afghanistan-pentagon

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