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    Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:57 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:04 pm

    Inevitable. The US had better dig out their old 'Saigon Exit' training videos.

    Seem to remember the phrase "US not agreement capable".


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    The Taliban have issued a statement on the latest remarks by US President Joe Biden on Afghanistan. As expected, the Taliban are making it clear that they will continue the jihad unless all foreign troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan by May in accordance with the Doha Agreement


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    https://sputniknews.com/world/202103261082460530-taliban-to-target-foreign-troops-if-us-fails-to-pull-forces-out-of-afghanistan-by-1-may/
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:03 am

    I find it amazing that American politicians seem to think that when dealing with any agreement that they can change the conditions or pull out entirely but the other party they expect to stick strictly to the conditions of the agreement.

    This is going to get American soldiers killed and for some reason it will be someone elses fault...

    Remember of the Criticism of Trump who was merely following the agreement the US signed... there wont be anything like any sort of criticism for creepy joe for essentially breaking the truce agreement... but you can see it coming yet it will still be a surprise to western media....
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Remember of the Criticism of Trump who was merely following the agreement the US signed... there wont be anything like any sort of criticism for creepy joe for essentially breaking the truce agreement... but you can see it coming yet it will still be a surprise to western media....

    Not just a surprise, it will be the Taliban's fault of course.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:09 am

    And no one will question that it is the Talebans fault, but if some maverick does, then the blame will go to Trump for negotiating a bad deal...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:39 am







    https://www.juancole.com/2021/04/afghanistan-disaster-dropping.html


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    Post  elconquistador Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:23 am

    I'd like to hear some members' opinion on this.

    By now it should be pretty obvious that the Biden/Blinken team (neoliberals) are hardcore warmongering ideologues that view the world through a much different lense than let's say a pragmaticist like Trump

    Trump was an isolationist whk put America First and frankly didn't really care about neo-con/neo-liberal ideas about Empire building. Biden-Blinken can't say the same. Afghanistan holds many valuable minerables, is geopolitically important (encircling China/Russia) and was supposed to be the staging point of an Wahabbi insurgency in XinJiang.

    The moment the Americans move out the Chinese will move in. In fact they already do, by their usual business oriented non military means.

    So what's the neo-libs motive/rationale here?

    *Is this a clear pivot away from the War on Terror narrative that has been the main argument for nearly foreign endeavours in the last 20 years?

    *Is this sheer neoliberal incompetence in line with what we've seen before from these one-dimensional simpletons?

    *Is the Empire overextended and have they decided to focus their resources elsewhere (ie. South East Asia/Taiwan, Ukraine/Eastern Europe, the Middle East)?

    *Is there something they aren't telling us? Ie. Another aligned military moving in (Turkey?)?

    So what's the deal here? I am puzzled.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:48 pm


    Taliban are winning plain and simple and it's only a matter of time before they are back in charge

    USA and the Taliban have had a peace treaty in place for a while

    US troops have also been holed up in the cities for the past several years which is why they have such low casualty count lately

    In the meantime Afghan military had 15k casualties last year with current year projections going as high as 20k andare losing territory rapidly

    Soon they will have Kabul, it's inevitable

    The war is lost, USA just wants to get out before it becomes official so they can offload that blame for the loss on Afghan Military and avoid another possible Saigon Send-off

    They spent 20 years, trillions of dollars and 2500 lives just to end up the same way Soviets did and that was without anyone arming and funding the Taliban

    Ain't that something...


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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:00 pm

    I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:05 am

    lancelot wrote:I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.

    Taliban make billions off taxing local mining industry, opium production and protection racket from Chinese companies

    They don't need funding

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:47 pm

    I'd like to hear some members' opinion on this.

    First of all he is missing the agreed deadline of May, which might create problems.

    Second he is withdrawing the 2,500 soldiers officially there, so the thousands of Special Forces and CIA spooks and probably about 15,000 merc contractors will likely remain.

    The moment the Americans move out the Chinese will move in. In fact they already do, by their usual business oriented non military means.

    Afghanistan is a difficult place to do business... Biden is probably officially withdrawing before stirring shit up in Ukraine and Syria to reduce options for the victims to hit them back in response.

    *Is this a clear pivot away from the War on Terror narrative that has been the main argument for nearly foreign endeavours in the last 20 years?

    It is too useful to give up.... it does not need to be applied with any common sense or reason... the US is helping the terrorism in Syria which means it is funding groups that operate alongside ISIS and Al quada, and many other drop kicks you wouldn't let look at your daughter let alone work for you.

    But it is something they can wave when they need to.

    They are declaring victory and having done everything they could do in Afghanistan they are bravely running away...

    If they decide they want to go back they can claim the Taleban are working with ISIS or Al Quada or just Iran and send troops back into harms way.

    *Is this sheer neoliberal incompetence in line with what we've seen before from these one-dimensional simpletons?

    Trump gave them an out and they can take it but call it their own win at the next election cycle.

    *Is the Empire overextended and have they decided to focus their resources elsewhere (ie. South East Asia/Taiwan, Ukraine/Eastern Europe, the Middle East)?

    Money would certainly come in to it but they will be still spending money on the ground getting access to areas of interest and keeping civilian workers safe.

    *Is there something they aren't telling us?

    Safest to assume... yes... always.

    They spent 20 years, trillions of dollars and 2500 lives just to end up the same way Soviets did and that was without anyone arming and funding the Taliban

    Ain't that something...

    The sad fact is that for all the money they spent in the 1980s and for the last 20 years blowing things up, they could have made it the most modern country in the region, but even the good things they tried to do ended up in someones pocket rather than in concrete and steel...

    I am pretty certain someone is funding the Taliban. It is just that Russia is not doing this. Most likely their backers are the Persian Gulf petrostates together with Pakistan.

    Would not surprise me if Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are still funding and arming them, but equally would not be surprised if the CIA was still directing funds there too.... under the counter to keep some poppy fields growing so to speak.

    They don't need funding

    Which is not to say they would refuse any that was on offer.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:45 pm

    No mention of US technical support contractors with their mercenary, sorry contractor, protection working on US supplied systems like aircraft. Or the huge CIA presence. Definitely a believe it when we see it.

    Yesterday a Taliban spokesman said OK to (the one sided, imposed) September. Today a different one said they were holding the US to the jointly agreed May 1st with the obvious consequences.

    I'm pretty certain that there will be no way that the Taliban will allow the US to exit gracefully claiming some kind of victory. That is, getting out with more honour than the Brits or Russians.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:13 am

    Leaving Afghanistan, Biden prepares the Chinese front https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3245131.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:52 pm

    There are apparently approx 18000 other US or US paid assets that seem to have been omitted from the US plans. I doubt the Taliban will overlook them.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unclear-if-over-18000-contractors-will-ever-leave-afghanistan-pentagon

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 18, 2021 6:53 am

    https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210505-taliban-captures-district-in-northern-afghanistan-attacks-increasing-as-us-pulls-out?xtor=CS1-51-[Desktop]-[The+National+Interest]&dicbo=v1-6dea86c8d959b148f5fa1cbe9c6a394d-00518f0950dd1d41ab61ec38c907920b17-

    Taliban captures district in northern Afghanistan; attacks increasing as US pulls out

    Issued on: 05/05/2021 - 14:22
    The US formally begins withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan on Saturday

    Taliban insurgents captured a district in northern Afghanistan, forcing government troops to retreat to the provincial capital amid a recent surge in violence, officials said on Wednesday.
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    Fighting has escalated sharply in recent weeks, with Afghan officials saying the Taliban have stepped up their attacks since Washington announced plans last month to pull out all U.S. troops by Sept. 11.

    The militants seized the district of Barka in the northern province of Baghlan after hours of fighting with Afghan forces, who retreated to the main city, said Jawed Basharat, a spokesman for the provincial police.

    The Taliban suffered heavy losses in the fighting, he added, but a senior security official who sought anonymity said at least 10 security forces were killed and 16 others captured by the Taliban.

    The district fell a day after Afghan security forces fought back a major Taliban offensive in the southern province of Helmand.

    The Afghan government says it has recorded more than 100 Taliban attacks on security forces and other government installations in 26 of the 34 provinces over the last 24 hours.

    The Taliban overran a small outpost on a highway in Baghlan, killing nine Afghan soldiers and wounding several, regional officials said on Tuesday.

    Kabul police spokesman Ferdaws Faramarz said one person was killed and three wounded when a roadside bomb hit a vehicle belonging to a health official outside the city.

    Another roadside bomb killed a district police commander in the southeastern province of Paktika on Tuesday, officials said.

    Although the United States missed a May 1 withdrawal deadline agreed in talks with the Taliban last year, its pull-out has begun.

    Critics of President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw say the Islamist militants will try to sweep back into power.

    The hardline Islamist group now holds sway over more territory than at any point since its ouster by U.S.-led troops after the attacks of Sept. 11 on the United States in 2001.

    Here's the latest map I could find, from April of this year

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    Gotta say, doesn't look good for Kabul. I wonder if they can match the 4 years the Afghan Socialist government held out for after the Soviet withdrawal, before their leader will end up swinging off a lamppost too?

    If I was a betting man, I'd say not.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 18, 2021 11:16 am


    Someone with photoshopping skills should take that photo of Soviets retreating from Afghanistan with locals waving Soviet flags and replace soldiers and flags with US versions

    It will become topical soon

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:36 am

    Mass Afghan National Army desertions and surrender to the Taliban

    https://twitter.com/r_u_vid/status/1408217319482880003
    https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1408247781098020868

    Border crossing with Tajikistan captured by the Taliban
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/taliban-capture-afghanistans-main-tajikistan-border-crossing

    Doesn't much look like they can match the 4 years of the DRA Army

    Wonder if the refugee outflow will make its way to Russia as it did in the early 90s
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:49 pm


    flamming_python wrote:Mass Afghan National Army desertions and surrender to the Taliban

    Doesn't much look like they can match the 4 years of the DRA Army....

    Someone needs too phototshop some US stuff here to update it for current times even though I have a feeling that modern day version will pop up spontaneously anyway  Cool

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    I mean Soviet veterans did tell US military back in 2001 not to bother going there but I guess someone knew better...



    flamming_python wrote:Wonder if the refugee outflow will make its way to Russia as it did in the early 90s

    Doubtful, that's what northern 'Stans' are for, they wanted the job and they got it
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:10 am

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/even-taliban-are-surprised-how-fast-they-re-advancing-afghanistan-n1272236


    Even the Taliban are surprised at how fast they're advancing in Afghanistan

    Even the Taliban are taken aback at how fast their forces are moving, one commander said, and have slowed down in some cases to avoid offending the U.S.

    WASHINGTON — The Taliban are advancing at lightning speed across Afghanistan as U.S. troops withdraw. They now control a third of the country, are fighting for control of 42 percent more — and may even be slowing their advance on purpose.

    A Taliban commander in Ghazni province told NBC News that he and fellow fighters were surprised at the speed of their advance and had avoided capturing some targets so as not to run afoul of the U.S.

    According to Afghan media reports, eyewitness accounts and statements from local Afghan officials, the Taliban are advancing in rural areas and near Kabul. They now hold almost twice as much of Afghanistan as they did just two months ago, raising fresh doubts about whether the Afghan government can survive once U.S. forces depart by Sept. 11.

    Since May 1, days after President Joe Biden announced the withdrawal of U.S. troops, the Taliban have captured 69 of the country's 407 districts, including territory in northern provinces once seen as off-limits for the insurgency and a stronghold for the government, according to Bill Roggio, editor of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies' Long War Journal. The Taliban now hold 142 districts, and are fighting for control of about 170 more.

    "The Taliban are putting significant pressure on the Afghan government by their operations in the north," said Roggio, who keeps a running tally of how much territory the Taliban controls.

    By seizing ground in far-flung areas in the north, including a border crossing with Tajikistan, the Taliban are forcing the Afghan security forces to balance stretched resources as they try to hold off the insurgents elsewhere in the country, including in provinces near the capital Kabul, he said.

    "The Taliban has nearly doubled the number of districts it controls, has captured key areas and military bases, and demoralized segments of the Afghan security forces and the government," Roggio said.

    In the country's north, the Taliban have taken control of more than 40 districts since the start of May, including a key district in Kunduz province on Monday, allowing them to encircle the provincial capital.

    In a war that has often been a slow grind, the situation on the ground has changed on a daily — sometimes hourly basis — in recent weeks. Some Afghan government units have abandoned their weapons and vehicles without a major fight, as local officials reportedly negotiated surrender agreements with the Taliban.

    The Taliban's battlefield victories come as Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah Abdullah, chairman of the High Council for National Reconciliation, are due to meet Biden at the White House on Friday. The visit "will highlight the enduring partnership between the United States and Afghanistan as the military drawdown continues," the White House said.

    In an agreement between the Taliban and the United States negotiated by the previous administration, Washington had committed to withdraw all U.S. troops by last month. Biden opted to pull American forces out by Sept. 11.

    The Taliban's progress has moved faster than even the insurgency anticipated.

    The Taliban commander who spoke to NBC News, and the insurgency's spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, said the group has intentionally avoided capturing entire provinces or provincial capitals, saying it wanted to abide by commitments under the 2020 agreement with the U.S. signed in Doha last year.

    "We are bound to honor the Doha accord that we signed with the United States in the presence of the international community. We don't want to capture any province or provincial headquarters anywhere in Afghanistan by September 2021 when the U.S. forces leave our country," the Taliban commander said.

    The Doha accord does not prohibit the Taliban from taking control of provinces or cities, but does bar them from targeting U.S. forces. The decision by the Taliban not to seize cities appears aimed at avoiding antagonizing U.S. and NATO forces as they depart.

    Some Taliban fighters had recently reached the entrance of Mazar-e-Sharif but they were called back to their previous positions outside the city, he said.

    The commander said that in some already captured areas the insurgency has had to scramble to take over governing duties because the Taliban can't keep up with the pace of their own gains.

    Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the group is not punishing or capturing government soldiers who surrender. . Such an approach would represent a change in tactics for the insurgency, which has been accused by human rights groups of executing and torturing captured troops.

    "We neither imprison them nor punish the Afghan security forces who surrender peacefully. We let them go home, those who lay down arms and don't resist," the spokesman said.
    'Everyone was crying'

    With the Taliban on the march, some civilians are fleeing to larger cities still controlled by the government.

    Somal Nazari left his village in Faryab province Sunday along with his young family as Taliban forces approached the city of Maymana.

    "There were heavy sounds of weapons, there were AK-47s and everyone was running, leaving their homes," Nazari told NBC News by phone.

    His three children watched on confused and upset as tanks and other military vehicles passed by their home, he said.

    "Everyone was crying," he said.

    Nazari, 30, left everything behind, stuffing a few bags with clothes and buying five plane tickets to Mazar-e-Sharif in neighboring Balkh province. He and other civilians said property prices were plunging, as people try to unload their assets before a possible Taliban takeover.

    Having worked as an interpreter for foreign journalists and nonprofit organizations, Nazari said he is afraid for his family and does not hold out hope of being able to return home anytime soon.

    "They are very sensitive with people who have worked for foreigners," Nazari said of the Taliban.

    He is hoping to apply for asylum abroad but for now doesn't have the funds to move his family to another Afghan town or city. Meanwhile, the Taliban are drawing closer to Mazar-e-Sharif.

    The Biden administration announced Thursday that it would be evacuating some former interpreters prior to the Sept. 11 withdrawal deadline.

    Afghan government forces have struggled to clear out the Taliban from districts they had captured, suffering serious casualties. In northern Faryab province, elite Afghan special forces — the most capable arm of the Afghan military — attempted unsuccessfully to push the Taliban out of the district of Dawlat Abad last week. More than 20 Afghan commandos were killed in the battle, according to local media.

    Afghan special forces also fought to dislodge the Taliban last month from captured territory in the province of Wardak, outside the capital Kabul, but the insurgents remain in control of those districts, according to media accounts

    The Taliban's recent seizure of districts in three provinces — Wardak, Logar and Laghman — that surround Kabul signaled a potentially ominous sign for the government's staying power. If those provinces fall, then "the path to take Kabul is wide open," Roggio said.

    The Afghan military's retreat has prompted a revival of former anti-Soviet, anti-Taliban militias, with Afghan President Ghani and other officials embracing the groups and calling for a united resistance against the Taliban. The call to arms for local militias seemed to underscore the Afghan government's perilous position, and carried the risk that the rival groups could plunge the country back into a wider, anarchic civil war like the one that raged in the 1990s.

    The U.N. special envoy to Afghanistan, Deborah Lyons, told the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday that the Taliban appeared poised to seize provincial cities once U.S. and NATO forces leave, and painted a bleak picture. "The possible slide toward dire scenarios is undeniable," she said.

    Slowing down on purpose.. man that just beats all.

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    In other news, 134 Afghan soldiers have crossed into Tajikistan to avoid capture by the Taliban, and 53 Afghan borderguards and militia have crossed into Uzbekistan for the same reason within the last couple of days
    https://www.trend.az/casia/tajikistan/3445119.html
    https://anna-news.info/svyshe-50-afganskih-voennyh-peresekli-granitsu-uzbekistana/

    They've since been repatriated to government-controlled territory

    There was apparently a win by the ANA recently against the Taliban in a couple of areas, routing them. But the trend is definately working against them
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:36 am

    https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1408617030660464645

    Meanwhile Current Situation in Central #Asia !
    All countries bordering Afghan are strengthening borders.
    In military districts of MoD #Uzbekistan began practical exercises on bringing troops to combat readiness against the background of the escalation of situation in #Afghanistan
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:24 am

    Things just getting worse for the Afghan govt.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410271489505386503
    Taliban inside the Andhkoy district Governor’s office in the Faryab province.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410257766627774464
    Soldiers and pro-Govt militiamen surrendering to the Taliban in Sayyedabad today.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410243436154966017
    An overview of the Sultan Khel base that was overran by the Taliban few hours ago. As usual, large number of Humvees and trucks fell into the Taliban’s hands.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410210838909054976
    A well-known pro-Govt militia commander asaassianted by the Taliban in the Yaha Khel district of Paktika province today. Looks like he openly took part in anti-Taliban ops with US and NATO troops in the past.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410204339201712131
    Taliban entering the Ala Sai district of Kapisa province earlier today, with a recently captured tank and Humvees.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410196366194659330
    Yet more dramatic quantities of Ghanimah (war booty) captured by the Taliban after a large attack near the Dand Wapatan district of Paktia province.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410157172130934791
    Taliban inside the former headquarters of Ahmad Shah Massoud (lion of panjshir), the National War Hero of Afghanistan, in the Farkhar district of Takhar province.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1410055522632437768
    The amount of weapons captured by the Taliban from Gereshk, Helmand last night is insane.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1409929197850562564
    Police commander Taher Jan Shulgari MIA in Kaldar, Balkh.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1409925185453531137
    Kaldar district of Balkh province fell to the Taliban. All the ground forces are surprised, including me.

    https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1409780491209777153
    The center of Baraki Barak district of Logar province collapsed to the Taliban after night long clashes. The militants appear to have captured two Humvees.

    This is all just from the last 2 days

    For anyone interested in updates from Afghanistan, do follow that account. She reports objectively, regularly and with updates from all sides in the conflict.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:42 am


    Well it's a circle of life

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:29 am


    Run Forest, run!!! lol1

    U.S. Seeks Refuge for Afghan Staff as It Hands Over Key Base

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-02/u-s-asks-central-asian-nations-to-take-afghans-seeking-visas

    The Biden administration asked three Central Asian nations to temporarily house thousands of Afghans who worked with American forces and could be targeted by the Taliban as U.S. and NATO troops withdraw after nearly two decades. The U.S. has asked Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan to take in about 9,000 Afghans who assisted with the American military’s invasion and occupation of the country, according to three people familiar with the request, who asked not to be identified discussing private deliberations....

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    Post  lancelot Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:31 am

    If they accept these people the "temporary" relocation will become permanent as the US will then refuse to accept them.
    I am pretty sure a lot of people already migrated and will migrate though. To Tajikistan in particular.

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