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    Post  short_fuze Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:22 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    short_fuze wrote:The takfiris have received at least one grad launcher and a load of rockets. The rockets were delivered in an anonymous white truck. The truck presumably came over the back roads from the takfiri suppliers in Turkey. The launcher and rockets look to be in very good condition - as new? Is it possible to identify the country of origin from the markings on the wooden crates used to transport the rockets?


    To small resolution to read for me but guess no 1: U-crying guess 2  Bulgaria/Poland or  remaining pro US-puppet EE regimes

    Agreed about the resolution of the text. I was wondering if the labelling pattern was sufficiently distinctive. Not that it matters much, as you say, any of the pro-US vassals would bend over backwards to ingratiate themselves with their owner.
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    Post  ultron Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:00 am

    Turkey also makes 122 mm rockets. Is it possible it came from Turkish stock?
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    Post  par far Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:21 am

    I hope that the SAA and Kurds tells, Turkey not to interfere in Syria or they are going to retaliate and when Turkey does this again, just retaliate and if the Turkey does something stupid, then it going to involve Russia and Iran, so in other words, pull Russia and Iran into this.
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    Post  Boban Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:48 am

    I like that the Turks are attacking the Kurds, that with push the Kurds in the russian hands and that will make USofA and Turkey have some arguments. Erdogan is playing a really dangerous game. A lot of countries played like that, nobody ever won.
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    Post  ultron Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:08 pm

    Turkish artillery continues shelling SAA in Latakia. Methinks it is safe to say there is now an open war between Syria and Turkey Shocked
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:14 pm

    No.  A war would indicate turkish troops and aircraft attacking Syria and as well being in Syria.  This is simply much like North Korea shelling South Korea at the odd times like it happened in the past.  I too would prefer retaliation but you know what would happen.  So best thing to do is stir more trouble within Turkey through Kurds.

    Turkey is just a coward nation, hiding within their own territory and nato.  If Syria was in a lot better condition, they would shell back, but right now, no.  And so long they dont hit Russians, nothing Russia can do either.  They would have to wait till Turkey and Saudi Arabia to violate Syrian territory first.
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    Post  ultron Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:25 pm

    sepheronx wrote:No.  A war would indicate turkish troops and aircraft attacking Syria and as well being in Syria.  This is simply much like North Korea shelling South Korea at the odd times like it happened in the past.  I too would prefer retaliation but you know what would happen.  So best thing to do is stir more trouble within Turkey through Kurds.

    Turkey is just a coward nation, hiding within their own territory and nato.  If Syria was in a lot better condition, they would shell back, but right now, no.  And so long they dont hit Russians, nothing Russia can do either.  They would have to wait till Turkey and Saudi Arabia to violate Syrian territory first.

    An exchange of fire between two armies is exactly a war. Doesn't matter if border is crossed or not. Bullets and shells fly. People get ripped apart. If that is not a WAR, then I don't know what is.

    This shelling is only the start. Over the next few days, expect the shelling to intensify. Once casualties are in the hundreds on both sides, maybe the border will be crossed.

    This is not North Korea and South Korea. This is about Erdogan the new sultan, a die hard Islamist. Koreans are afraid of death. Islamists are not afraid of death. They believe it is an honor to die for Allah.


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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:26 pm

    sepheronx wrote:No.  A war would indicate turkish troops and aircraft attacking Syria and as well being in Syria.  This is simply much like North Korea shelling South Korea at the odd times like it happened in the past.  I too would prefer retaliation but you know what would happen.  So best thing to do is stir more trouble within Turkey through Kurds.

    Turkey is just a coward nation, hiding within their own territory and nato.  If Syria was in a lot better condition, they would shell back, but right now, no.  And so long they dont hit Russians, nothing Russia can do either.  They would have to wait till Turkey and Saudi Arabia to violate Syrian territory first.

    Turdkey is indeed populated by retards with the most refined fraction composing their leadership.   Let's suppose that the idea behind
    this shelling is to push the SAA back from the border and allow Turdkey's terrorist proxies retain easy access into Syria.  This is clearly
    a nonsensical idea since all that will happen is that there will be an artillery free fire zone between the SAA positions and the Turdkish
    positions.  This no man's land will be useless for the terrorists and for Turdkey.  

    Turdkey will attempt to invade Syria to secure territory large enough to be of use for its terrorist proxies only if Uncle Scam gives the
    green light.  It seems Uncle Scam is dithering.   So there is a high chance for a false flag to lubricate the propaganda narratives and
    "justify" an invasion to "save the children".   Russia has made it clear that it will punish any invasion of Syria.  This makes it difficult
    for Turdkey to just invade on a whim.   I am waiting for some village to be slaughtered by an air attack in the coming days.  Of course
    NATzO will blame Russian jets and not jets operating out of Turdkey.    This will be a Racak moment when the US will rush to the
    UN to present its "case" and have Russia tagged as an aggressor against Syrian civilians.  

    I think Russia needs to act now.   Waiting for this false flag is a stupid idea.   Now that Turdkey is shelling Syrian territory is the time
    for Russia to take its case to the UN and give Turdkey and its NATzO patrons an ultimatum.   Russia needs to make a scene in order
    to derail the false flag.   Making a big stink about bombing Turdkey will create enough of a diversion and shit storm that Russia will
    set the agenda and not Uncle Scam and his dirty tricks.


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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:28 pm

    ultron wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:No.  A war would indicate turkish troops and aircraft attacking Syria and as well being in Syria.  This is simply much like North Korea shelling South Korea at the odd times like it happened in the past.  I too would prefer retaliation but you know what would happen.  So best thing to do is stir more trouble within Turkey through Kurds.

    Turkey is just a coward nation, hiding within their own territory and nato.  If Syria was in a lot better condition, they would shell back, but right now, no.  And so long they dont hit Russians, nothing Russia can do either.  They would have to wait till Turkey and Saudi Arabia to violate Syrian territory first.

    An exchange of fire between two armies is exactly a war. Doesn't matter if border is crossed or not. Bullets and shells fly. People get ripped apart. If that is not a WAR, then I don't know what is.

    This shelling is only the start. Over the next few days, expect the shelling to intensify. Once casualties are in the hundreds on both sides, maybe the border will be crossed.

    This is not North Korea and South Korea. This is about Erdogan the new sultan, a die hard Islamist. Koreans are afraid of death. Islamists are not afraid of death. They believe it is an honor to die for Allah.

    South and North Korea are exchanging shells last 60 years, chill.
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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:31 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Turkish aggression seems to have worked as it stopped both the Kurdish advance at the strategic city of Aza and Tel Rifaat and it also stopped the Syrian advance in the city of Kinsibba in Latakia province. Turkish artillery shelling at the Syrian positions enabled the jihadist groups recapturing two villages previously captured by the Syrian army.

    One source claims that an entire company of Syrian soldiers were killed by the Turkish artillery shells in Latakia province.

    Turkish intervention (well, aggression) proved to be successful and now Syria, Iran and Russia have a problem. Turkey can seriously harm the Syrian army (and the Kurds) by shelling them from their own territory in the northern parts of Syria. Turkey does not have to use their own aviation and go into Syrian air space to reach at least some of it’s goals in Syria.

    In order for Syria, Iran and Russia to take out the Turkish threat they would need to take out the Turkish artillery positioned in Turkish soil. That would be seen as a serious escalation by Turkey and the West and would give them a reason for further interventions in Syria (and maybe even attack the Russian base in Latakia which is within the reach of Turkish artillery).

    This is a very complicated and difficult position for Russia, since Russia cannot afford a full scale war with Turkey and on the other hand Russia cannot afford Turkey to cause more serious casualties for the Syrian military.

    One does not kill whole 100+ men company with an artillery fire. Unless they were all sleeping in one 5x5m garage.
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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:34 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbIBJ0-UkAA7BAW

    Turkish army positions on the map

    Then hundreds of Syrian missiles have sam coordinates. jut wonder if Russia delivered some Tochkas or only Iran did.

    BTW Putin cannot resign yet in 2018 elections to hot period. It is not about his desire to be on power but Russians need a symbol to unite and times are coming hard. Dyumin is yet to be popular to win.

    Well this is rough positioning of units, its far from "coordinates" but gives some picture. Putin himself said earlier this year that he wont participate in 2018. elections, now... who knows.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:46 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:No.  A war would indicate turkish troops and aircraft attacking Syria and as well being in Syria.  This is simply much like North Korea shelling South Korea at the odd times like it happened in the past.  I too would prefer retaliation but you know what would happen.  So best thing to do is stir more trouble within Turkey through Kurds.

    Turkey is just a coward nation, hiding within their own territory and nato.  If Syria was in a lot better condition, they would shell back, but right now, no.  And so long they dont hit Russians, nothing Russia can do either.  They would have to wait till Turkey and Saudi Arabia to violate Syrian territory first.

    Turdkey is indeed populated by retards with the most refined fraction composing their leadership.   Let's suppose that the idea behind
    this shelling is to push the SAA back from the border and allow Turdkey's terrorist proxies retain easy access into Syria.  This is clearly
    a nonsensical idea since all that will happen is that there will be an artillery free fire zone between the SAA positions and the Turdkish
    positions.  This no man's land will be useless for the terrorists and for Turdkey.  

    Turdkey will attempt to invade Syria to secure territory large enough to be of use for its terrorist proxies only if Uncle Scam gives the
    green light.  It seems Uncle Scam is dithering.   So there is a high chance for a false flag to lubricate the propaganda narratives and
    "justify" an invasion to "save the children".   Russia has made it clear that it will punish any invasion of Syria.  This makes it difficult
    for Turdkey to just invade on a whim.   I am waiting for some village to be slaughtered by an air attack in the coming days.  Of course
    NATzO will blame Russian jets and not jets operating out of Turdkey.    This will be a Racak moment when the US will rush to the
    UN to present its "case" and have Russia tagged as an aggressor against Syrian civilians.  

    I think Russia needs to act now.   Waiting for this false flag is a stupid idea.   Now that Turdkey is shelling Syrian territory is the time
    for Russia to take its case to the UN and give Turdkey and its NATzO patrons an ultimatum.   Russia needs to make a scene in order
    to derail the false flag.   Making a big stink about bombing Turdkey will create enough of a diversion and shit storm that Russia will
    set the agenda and not Uncle Scam and his dirty tricks.
    It wouldnt matter as UN and all will just ignore it like they have for so long. Already the russians and other pointed out how Ban Ki Moon is simply a puppet of the west.

    So in this case, it seems like Russia doesnt care anymore, and rightly so.  The people who hate him already do and nothing stops that regardless how much evidence is provided.  Russia provided evidence and told the US and such to go take a hike after they kept damning Russia over something they themselves did.  So Russia is waiting on Turkey to screw up and they will be watching real thoroughly.

    As for Putin staying beyond 2018, it doesnt matter if he did or didnt. Actually, its better he didnt as someone newer may provide a better job overall.  Guarantee whomever the new leader will be, will have a harder stance as it is now the popular movement in Russia as well amongst the authorities.  Everyone here calls Medvedev a 5th columnist and even he went to war with a NATO proxy back in 2008 and showed a tough stance on the west.  Even now he is too.  Chances are, Putin will be PM or operate some other position and someone else from United Russia will take over as president runner up.  And if the opposition (LDPR and such) conjoin, they will make sure the new gov will do their job as LDPR is even far harsher about Turkey and everything else. Same with communists.

    If the west thinks they have it difficult with Putin now, just wait till elections.  Most people whom are likely to run, and parties with far more voting power, all dislike the west.  Only ones are those Paranas parias that like the west (people who pay them) and they cannot garner even 2%.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:53 pm

    Turkey continues to shell Syrian army positions:
    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/698870880802213889

    While Saudi Arabia brags about Russia failing to save Assad:
    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-fail-save-syrias-assad-saudi-foreign-minister-113759184.html
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:02 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Turkey continues to shell Syrian army positions:
    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/698870880802213889

    While Saudi Arabia brags about Russia failing to save Assad:
    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-fail-save-syrias-assad-saudi-foreign-minister-113759184.html
    Two points to make: 
    1) twatter isnt a reliable source.  Evidence is needed and Russia would provide it sooner or later of the shelling.  If not, then more likely it isnt happening or at least not the extent is being portrayed.

    2) he didnt say anything of the sort other than that Russia wont be able to protect Assad.  But here is the funny thing, Assad is still in, he still rules, and SAA are winning.  These minor inconvieniences such as shelling wont do much.  As KVS said, could theorretically create a no mans land.  Saudi arabia themselves couldnt fight their way out if a wet paper bag, as evident in the Yemen conflict, where Saudi Arabia is losing equipment and men quite a bit, and even lost villages within own territory.

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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:12 pm

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIHWIAA5672

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIIXEAEMCYy

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIHWAAAZ4DZ

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIRWwAIrB49

    Turkish artillery position
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    Post  par far Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:17 pm

    Militarov wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIHWIAA5672

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIIXEAEMCYy

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIHWAAAZ4DZ

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLjsIRWwAIrB49

    Turkish artillery position


    There is a very easy way to stop this, just give the Kurds fighting in Turkey, anti tank missiles, low to mid range missiles and other heavy weapons, I don't know why they don't do this.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:19 pm

    Where is the exact location of this?
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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Where is the exact location of this?

    Not precisely declared i assume shots came from Turkish soldier which did not feel like telling exact position.
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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:25 pm

    Jihadi Julian at its finest:

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLqOk-WIAA8qxr

    - Civilians and kids wounded by Russian bombing, natural thing, all proven

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLqProWIAAJZ9H

    - "So called" civilians wounded by Turkish shelling are naturally fake and part of Kremlin propaganda
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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:30 pm

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLyL5jWEAEHzFe

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLyL5iW8AEZgB1

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLyL5jW4AArqEP

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:32 pm

    Militarov wrote:Jihadi Julian at its finest:

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLqOk-WIAA8qxr

    - Civilians and kids wounded by Russian bombing, natural thing, all proven

    Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLqProWIAAJZ9H

    - "So called" civilians wounded by Turkish shelling are naturally fake and part of Kremlin propaganda

    I am not seeing much. Usually there are only bits of children left.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:32 pm

    3 - 5 mobile arty units? Not really impressive, especially for people whom are banking the table and saying they will invade...,, yeah, Turkey does look like a two bit nation.


    Dunno if I am laye on the news but: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160214/1034747595/syrian-army-raqqa.html

    SAA takes key height in Raqqa.
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    Post  KiloGolf Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #6 - Page 18 CbLyL5jWEAEHzFe

    Few more

    It's a bit weird seeing those arty emplacements for their SPHs and yet few meters behind there's a large-ish command post/camp at elevated ground (...) lacking any fortification whatsoever. They're "sort of worried" about counter-artillery but not as much (...), maybe PKK ATGMs is something they worry. But still, if you're going to use SPHs against an opponent with artillery and possibly Air Force (precision munition can cross the border), it's preferable to fire, move out, fire, move out, etc or if using them as stationary pieces all day-long, prepare the groung properly.

    Turkish Army is giving out Ukropian vibes all over, or dare I say Saudi ones as well. The lack of camo/anti-IR nets and retarded US Army Europe 3-color camo on the SPHs and camp vehicles wins the cake.

    Upon seeing these images most concerned parties are having a laugh. lol1


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:51 pm

    Boban wrote:I like that the Turks are attacking the Kurds, that with push the Kurds in the russian hands and that will make USofA and Turkey have some arguments. Erdogan is playing a really dangerous game. A lot of countries played like that, nobody ever won.

    Agreed with this. May sound harsh but it should make it clear to the Kurds which side of the bread is buttered.

    And as long as turks stay on their side of the fenc e and bark with occasional shelling Russia need not give a sh*t. Let turkos dig deeper.


    Also Kvs, there will be no "Racak moment" in Syria no matter how much meat they sacrifice. That BS only works on countries smaller than Florida not on nuclear behemoths. Relax.
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    Post  ultron Sun Feb 14, 2016 1:58 pm

    SAA has 300 km range M-600. Very deadly. If Turkish artillery strikes do not stop, then say bye bye to Turkish dams.

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