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    Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

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    Post  Podlodka77 12/10/22, 07:00 am

    10/11/2022
    Military review

    Central Design Bureau "Rubin" has developed a modernized project of diesel-electric submarines "Varshavyanka"

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    Diesel-electric submarines of project 636 "Varshavyanka" will be built according to a modernized project developed by the Rubin Central Design Bureau. This was told by Deputy General Director of "Rubin" Andrey Baranov.

    Specialists of the Central Design Bureau have improved the Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarine project, in which the submarine received a hydroacoustic towed antenna that allows you to listen to the ocean in the rear hemisphere. This antenna, together with the front standard antenna, allows you to expand acoustic audibility up to 360 degrees. Also, the modernization once again touched the power plant, what work was carried out in this direction is not disclosed.

    "Rubin" has completed a lot of studies showing possible directions for improving the project - from equipping with extended towed hydroacoustic antennas to the next modernization of the power plant - RIA Novosti quotes the words of Baranov.

    It is noted that Project 636 Varshavyanka submarines remain in great demand, not only from the Russian fleet, but also from foreign customers. The possible equipping of submarines of this project with an anaerobic (air-independent) power plant (AIP) will only increase the number of orders. This is also understood in the Rubin Central Design Bureau, which is developing its own AIP.
    As Baranov explained, Rubin is creating an anaerobic installation for non-nuclear submarines based on fuel cells with hydrogen production from diesel fuel. At what stage are the work is not reported. VNEU allows non-nuclear submarines to stay submerged longer without surfacing for recharging.

    https://vpk.name/news/639738_ckb_rubin_razrabotal_modernizirovannyi_proekt_dizel-elektricheskih_podvodnyh_lodok_varshavyanka.html

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    Post  AMCXXL 21/10/22, 12:50 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Latest picture of Russian diesel-electric submarines B-588 "Ufa".  I think the submarine will soon be handed over to the Russian Navy.


    https://paluba.media/news/37201

    Diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" will be handed over to the customer in November

    Diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" project 636 will enter the Navy in November this year. This was announced by the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, following the results of a scheduled workshop, which discussed issues of non-nuclear submarine shipbuilding.
    At present, the Admiralty Shipyards enterprise has completed the offshore part of the state tests of the Ufa diesel-electric submarine in the Baltic Sea test sites. During the tests, the functioning of a number of ship devices, mechanisms and equipment, as well as hydroacoustic and navigation systems was tested. The submarine successfully completed dives to various depths, the crew and employees of the Admiralty Shipyards checked and assessed the maneuverability and controllability of the submarine at different navigation depths.

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    Photo: Admiralty Shipyards

    As it was reported to the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy at a meeting with the heads of the relevant governing bodies of the High Command of the Navy, at present, after completing the marine part of the state tests, the Ufa diesel-electric submarine has arrived at the Admiralty Shipyards, where it is undergoing revision and finishing in preparation for signing the acceptance certificate. Issues of servicing diesel-electric submarines "Ufa" were worked out in the future. Repair and technical documentation for Project 636 submarines was developed by the 51st Central Design and Technological Institute of Ship Repair, which has rich experience in this area.

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    Post  Podlodka77 23/10/22, 01:22 am

    October 22, 10:56 am

    Submarine "Novorossiysk" will be repaired at the Kronstadt plant in 2023

    According to a TASS source, the work will last up to four months.

    MOSCOW, 22 October. /TASS/. Project 636.3 submarine "Novorossiysk" of the Black Sea Fleet will undergo scheduled repairs at the Kronstadt Marine Plant in 2023 after a months-long shift as part of the Mediterranean Squadron of the Russian Navy. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.

    “The Novorossiysk submarine, which arrived in Kronstadt on October 13, will undergo scheduled repairs at the plant. It is expected that it will begin in January 2023 and last three to four months,” he said.

    TASS has no official information on this matter.

    Diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 of the Russian Black Sea Fleet are regularly part of the Permanent Operational Force of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea. Until recently, these were Novorossiysk and Krasnodar. Submarines of this project have repeatedly attacked terrorist targets in Syria with Caliber-PL missiles from the Mediterranean Sea. They also attacked targets in Ukraine during a special military operation from the Black Sea.

    The Black Sea Fleet has six Project 636.3 submarines built by the Admiralty Shipyards (as part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation).

    On October 13, the Russian Defense Ministry announced the arrival of the Novorossiysk submarine and the Sergey Blak rescue tug accompanying it in Kronstadt. The sailors, who returned from a long voyage, were met by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16127259

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    Post  Podlodka77 01/11/22, 04:08 am

    31.10.2022
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    The crew of the Mozhaisk submarine under construction for the Pacific Fleet began training at the Navy Training Center


    TSAMTO, 28 October. The crew of the project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine Mozhaisk, which is being built at the Admiralty Shipyards, has begun training at the Navy training center in the city of Obninsk, Kaluga Region.

    Navy sailors arrived from the Pacific Fleet. During the training, they will go through the stage of coordination and improve their professional skills.

    After completing the training program at the training center, the crew of the submarine will begin to receive the ship for mooring, and later - factory sea and state tests.

    Diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 are being built to supply the Russian Navy. They serve in the formations of the Black Sea and Pacific Fleets. Last year, two similar combat units arrived in the Far East: "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov", and this year - "Magadan".

    The diesel-electric submarine Mozhaysk is also intended for the Pacific Fleet. It will be equipped with modern complexes of underwater missile and torpedo weapons, as well as sonar and radio-technical weapons, according to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Defense Ministry.

    https://vpk.name/news/647535_ekipazh_stroyasheisya_dlya_tof_podvodnoi_lodki_mozhaisk_nachal_podgotovku_v_uchebnom_centre_vmf.html

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    Post  Podlodka77 15/11/22, 05:12 am

    November 14, 12:56 pm
    updated November 14, 13:21

    Submarine "Ufa" will enter the Navy on November 16
    The solemn ceremony will be held at the Admiralty Shipyards

    MOSCOW, 14 November. /TASS/. Diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" will enter the Russian Navy on November 16. The corresponding date was approved by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Defense Ministry reported.
    "The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, approved the date of acceptance into the Navy of the diesel-electric submarine of Project 636.3 Ufa, built at the Admiralty Shipyards Joint Shipbuilding Corporation in St. Petersburg. The ceremony of raising the St. Andrew's flag and admission to the The Navy submarine will take place on November 16," the report said.

    The solemn ceremony will take place at the Admiralty Shipyards, where Evmenov's order to accept the submarine into the Russian Navy will be read out. "From the moment the order is announced and the St. Andrew's flag is hoisted on the flagpole, the Ufa diesel-electric submarine will be considered accepted into the Russian Navy," the department added. It is planned that in addition to the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Viktor Yevtukhov and General Director of the Admiralty Shipyards Alexander Buzakov will take part in the event.
    In October, it was reported that the marine part of the state tests of the submarine at the test sites of the Baltic Sea was completed. "Ufa" successfully completed dives, the maneuverability and controllability of the submarine was tested at different navigation depths. "Ufa" is the fourth diesel-electric submarine of the series for the Pacific Fleet. It was laid down in November 2019.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16317717

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    Post  Podlodka77 16/11/22, 11:05 pm

    November 16, 10:23 am

    In St. Petersburg, at a solemn ceremony, the submarine "Ufa" became part of the Pacific Fleet
    In 2024, the fleet will be provided with six submarines with Caliber missiles on board

    ST. PETERSBURG, November 16. /TASS/. Diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 "Ufa", built at the enterprise of the United Shipbuilding Corporation "Admiralty Shipyards", officially became part of the Russian Navy. This was announced on Wednesday by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    "Today, under the leadership of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, a solemn ceremony of hoisting the Andreevsky naval flag on the Ufa project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine took place," the message says.

    It is planned that by 2024 the Pacific Fleet will receive all six submarines of this project with Caliber missiles on board.

    In accordance with the announced order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, "Ufa" was enrolled in the Pacific Fleet. She became the fourth in a series of six Project 636.3 submarines being built for the Pacific Fleet.

    Submarines of this project are equipped with the most modern weapons, and their high combat qualities are confirmed by the successful completion of their tasks in the Black and Mediterranean Seas, as well as in the Arctic.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16341865


    It is the 19th submarine delivered to the Russian Navy in the last 10 years (the 10th diesel-electric), while another 9 nuclear submarines were delivered in the same period. This year, it is the second submarine delivered to the Russian Navy, while the K-329 Belgorod was delivered a few months earlier.

    The Admiralty currently leads Sevmash 10:9 by the number of new submarines delivered in the last 10 years, but Sevmash has two more submarines to enter active service; K-553 Generalissimus Suvorov and K-571 Krasnoyarsk, while the Admiralty also has a submarine B-586 Kronshtadt.

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    Post  AMCXXL 17/11/22, 07:49 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:November 16, 10:23 am

    In St. Petersburg, at a solemn ceremony, the submarine "Ufa" became part of the Pacific Fleet
    In 2024, the fleet will be provided with six submarines with Caliber missiles on board

    At the Admiralty Shipyards enterprise, where the submarine was built, the St. Andrew's flag was raised.

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    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/148992/

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    Post  Podlodka77 17/11/22, 07:51 am

    B-588 UFA, the 19th submarine delivered to the Russian Navy in the last 10 years.

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    Post  Podlodka77 17/11/22, 08:22 pm

    11/17/2022
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    "Admiralty Shipyards" plan to launch the submarine "Mozhaisk" in the spring of 2023 - press service


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    Diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 "Magadan".
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    St. Petersburg. November 16th. Interfax - JSC Admiralty Shipyards (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC) plans to launch the Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine Mozhaisk, which is being built for the Pacific Fleet, in the spring of 2023, the press service of the shipyard reported on Wednesday.

    “Currently, shipyard workers are carrying out outfitting work on the Mozhaisk submarine. The launch of the ship is scheduled for the spring of 2023,” the report says.
    Earlier it was reported that on Wednesday the diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 "Ufa", built for the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet), became part of the Russian Navy.

    The Project 636.3 Ufa submarine is the fourth in a series of six ships being built at the Admiralty Shipyards for the Pacific Fleet. It has already included submarines Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Volkhov, Magadan. The fifth and sixth submarines of the series - Mozhaisk and Yakutsk - were laid down at the enterprise in August 2021.
    At present, hydraulic tests of all block modules of the ship have been completed on the Yakutsk submarine, specialists are carrying out electrical plumbing work and insulating the hull, the press service of the shipbuilding enterprise reports.

    The contract for the construction of this series of submarines was signed in September 2016. By 2024, the Russian Navy plans to receive the entire series of six diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3, which are being built at the Admiralty Shipyards, purposefully to equip the submarine forces of the Pacific Fleet.

    Submarines of project 636.3 are equipped with Caliber cruise missiles (developed by OKB Novator, JSC Concern VKO Almaz-Antey).

    According to open data, the tactical and technical characteristics of Project 636.3 submarines are: cruising autonomy - 45 days, maximum diving depth - 300 meters, diving range at economical speed - 400 miles, cruising range in RDP mode (engine operation under water, - "IF" ) with an enhanced fuel supply at a speed of 7 knots - 7,500 miles, the number of torpedo tubes - 6. Underwater speed - 18 knots. Crew - 52 people.

    https://vpk.name/news/654595_admiralteiskie_verfi_planiruyut_spustit_na_vodu_podlodku_mozhaisk_vesnoi_2023_goda-press-sluzhba.html

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    Post  Podlodka77 25/11/22, 06:06 pm

    November 25, 03:18

    Submarine "Magadan" launched "Kalibr" at sea and coastal targets

    The firing range was more than 1 thousand km

    MOSCOW, 25 November. /TASS/. The submarine "Magadan" of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet), equipped with diesel and electric units, launched from a submerged position cruise missiles of the "Kalibr" complex at sea and coastal targets. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    “Before performing combat exercises, the submarine secretly entered a given area, from where it launched missile strikes at target positions. The first missile successfully hit a sea target - a target shield that imitates a mock enemy surface ship. The second missile hit a coastal target on the tactical field Surkum at the estimated time in the Khabarovsk Territory," the press service of the military department noted.

    The firing range was more than 1 thousand km. Rocket firing was provided by ships and vessels of the Pacific Fleet, aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles of the naval aviation of the Pacific Fleet.

    The Magadan submarine is the third Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarine in the Pacific Fleet armed with Caliber cruise missiles. The Magadan submarine was accepted into the fleet in October 2021 in St. Petersburg. The submarine arrived at the Pacific Fleet by the Northern Sea Route in October 2022.

    VIDEO LINK; https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16423647

    So there are enough "Kalibr" missiles for practice as well.

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    Post  Ned86 25/11/22, 08:43 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:So there are enough "Kalibr" missiles for practice as well.
    There are plenty of Kalibrs and Russia is producing them since 2010-2012.
    We should stop mentioning and amplifying that NATO psyop "how Russia is running out of missiles".
    We keep listening that since march and after that at least 500-1000 Kalibers were fired.

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    Post  Podlodka77 04/03/23, 09:38 am

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    The first "Varshavyanka" of the Pacific Fleet used "Kalibr" on a coastal target
    March 3, 2023 at 7:54 Subject: Navy

    The crew of the diesel-electric submarine "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet), as part of the combat training plan, launched a cruise missile of the Kalibr complex from a submerged position in the Sea of ​​Japan. As explained in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the firing was carried out at a coastal target that imitated the enemy's firing position.
    According to the military department, at the estimated time, the Caliber missile successfully hit the designated target at the Surkum tactical field located in the Khabarovsk Territory. The firing range exceeded 1000 km.

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    Diesel-electric submarine "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky"
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    The closure of the missile firing area was provided by ships and vessels of the Pacific Fleet, as well as aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles of naval aviation, the Russian Defense Ministry noted.

    "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" is the first Project 636.3 submarine (code "Varshavyanka") out of six ordered for the Pacific Fleet. Diesel-electric submarines were built at the Admiralty Shipyards and commissioned in 2019. The submarine arrived in Vladivostok at the end of November 2021, together with the second diesel-electric submarine of this type, Volkhov, and the Gremyaschiy corvette of project 20385.

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    Post  Big_Gazza 27/04/23, 12:57 am

    It is planned to build six diesel-electric submarines of project 06363 for the Northern Fleet

    As reported on April 25, 2023 by the TASS news agency, diesel-electric submarines (DEPL) of project 636.3 [06363] "Varshavyanka", which will be laid down at the Admiralty shipyards in 2024 for the Northern Fleet, will receive the names of the cities of new regions of Russia. This was reported to TASS by a source in the naval sphere.

    "Varshavyanki" from a series of submarines of project 636.3 for the Northern Fleet will receive the names of cities in new Russian regions. The first building will be named after Mariupol. Over time, the boats will be named after other cities of Donbass, ( Very Happy thumbsup )" the source said.

    TASS does not have official confirmation of this information.

    Earlier, a TASS source in the military-industrial complex said that a series of six Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarines would be laid down for the Northern Fleet, the decision on construction has already been adopted, but the contract has not been signed.According to him, the implementation of the contract will begin no earlier than 2024.

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    Post  AMCXXL 02/05/23, 08:22 pm

    https://argumenti.ru/army/2023/04/827820

    April 27, 2023
    The diesel-electric submarine of project 636 "Varshavyanka", named "Mozhaisk", was launched in St. Petersburg in a solemn ceremony in the presence of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.

    The new diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 "Mozhaisk" will be included in the combat structure of the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation

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    Post  Krepost 04/05/23, 01:17 pm

    Enough bla bla bla

    Recent picture of the newly launched Kilo class MOZAISK and Lada class VELIKY LUKY (launched last year).

    Both are expected to be commissioned this year.

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    Post  George1 08/05/23, 12:21 am

    it seems that old (pr.877) Kilos are gradually withdrawn from service as the new imp. Kilos join Russian navy

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/289398.html

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    Post  lancelot 08/05/23, 02:42 am

    From what I understand they replaced all six Kilos on the Black Sea Fleet, plus four Kilos on the Pacific Fleet with improved ones. They still need to replace two Kilos on the Pacific Fleet, and the Kilo on the Baltic Fleet. Plus there are supposedly plans to build four improved Kilos to replace older ones in the Northern Fleet. I also heard claims of six improved Kilos being built for Northern Fleet, but that is probably wrong, since they are also building two Lada submarines for Northern Fleet. So only four improved Kilo are required there.

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    Post  AMCXXL 10/05/23, 09:48 pm

    lancelot wrote:From what I understand they replaced all six Kilos on the Black Sea Fleet, plus four Kilos on the Pacific Fleet with improved ones. They still need to replace two Kilos on the Pacific Fleet, and the Kilo on the Baltic Fleet. Plus there are supposedly plans to build four improved Kilos to replace older ones in the Northern Fleet. I also heard claims of six improved Kilos being built for Northern Fleet, but that is probably wrong, since they are also building two Lada submarines for Northern Fleet. So only four improved Kilo are required there.

    There will be 6 new 636.3 for North Fleet and 4 for Baltic Fleet,in adition to 6 in the Black Sea and 6 for the Pacific Fleet (in Vladivostok)
    In total 22 Improved Kilos
    There are a contract for 3 636.3 signed last year in adition to Petrozavodsk that are already being built, all for Baltic
    Is expected another contract for 6 submarines 636.3 for North Fleet, the first will be named Mariupol

    In adition are planned 6 Ladas for North Fleet and 6 for Pacific Fleet, in that case in Kamchatka with the SSBN´s
    Ladas has a different role that 636.3

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    Post  owais.usmani 10/05/23, 11:20 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Ladas has a different role that 636.3

    What is the difference in their roles please elaborate.
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    Post  Krepost 22/06/23, 02:03 pm

    UFA

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    Post  Podlodka77 24/06/23, 11:05 pm

    June 24, 10:27
    Source: the Mariupol submarine will be laid down for the Northern Fleet in autumn 2024
    Submarines of project 636.3 "Varshavyanka" belong to the third generation of large diesel-electric submarines and are considered one of the quietest in the world

    KRONSTADT, 24 June. /TASS/. The diesel-electric submarine (DEPL) of project 636.3 "Mariupol" will be laid down for the Northern Fleet at the Admiralty Shipyards next autumn. This was reported to TASS by a source in the naval sphere.

    "The submarine of the Varshavyanka project named Mariupol will be laid down at the Admiralty Shipyards for the Northern Fleet next autumn," the agency's interlocutor said during the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2023).

    TASS does not have official confirmation of this information.

    Earlier, a source in the naval sphere told TASS that diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 Varshavyanka, which will be laid down at the Admiralty shipyards in 2024 for the Northern Fleet, will receive the names of cities in new regions of Russia. The first building will be named after Mariupol.

    Submarines of project 636.3 "Varshavyanka" belong to the third generation of large diesel-electric submarines and are considered one of the quietest in the world. The submarines are 74 meters long and have a maximum displacement of over 3,900 tons.
    The robust hull provides the submarine with a working depth of 240 m and a maximum diving depth of 300 m, a cruising range of up to 7,500 miles. The main armament of the submarines is the Kalibr-PL missile system.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18105153

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    Post  AMCXXL 29/06/23, 07:56 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:June 24, 10:27
    Source: the Mariupol submarine will be laid down for the Northern Fleet in autumn 2024
    KRONSTADT, 24 June. /TASS/. The diesel-electric submarine (DEPL) of project 636.3 "Mariupol" will be laid down for the Northern Fleet at the Admiralty Shipyards next autumn. This was reported to TASS by a source in the naval sphere.

    lancelot wrote:From what I understand they replaced all six Kilos on the Black Sea Fleet, plus four Kilos on the Pacific Fleet with improved ones. They still need to replace two Kilos on the Pacific Fleet, and the Kilo on the Baltic Fleet. Plus there are supposedly plans to build four improved Kilos to replace older ones in the Northern Fleet. I also heard claims of six improved Kilos being built for Northern Fleet, but that is probably wrong, since they are also building two Lada submarines for Northern Fleet. So only four improved Kilo are required there.

    It is very strange it seems that there has been a change of plans

    First the Northern Fleet was going to receive 6 Lada's while it was said that another series of submarines pr.636.3 would go to the Baltic being the first submarine contracted in "Petrozavodsk"

    Now it is said that the Northern Fleet will receive 6 pr.636.3 being the first Mariupol, while it is not clear what will happen to the Lada's, if they will also go to the Northern Fleet or stay in the Baltic

    In any case, if the first 636.3 for the Northern Fleet is placed in 2024 and delivered in 2026 and a submarine is delivered every year, the brigade of 6 submarines would deliver one every year between 2026 and 2031

    And it would still take a series of 6 more submarines for Kamchatka, which would take the pr.636.3 until the last delivery there by 2037
    Another option would be to make another series of Lada's for the Black Sea and transfer the current brigade of 636.3 from the Black Sea to Kamchatka.

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    Post  lancelot 30/06/23, 09:10 am

    I personally think they should just make more Lada classes once the subs in the Black Sea and Pacific Fleet are replaced. Especially in the Baltic, the much smaller Lada makes more sense than the Kilo, since it should be way more survivable than the Kilo in that body of water.

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    Post  GarryB 30/06/23, 05:11 pm

    The Lada will be the superior vessel and you can operate 6 ladas with the crew numbers of 3 Kilos, but it remains to be seen how quickly they can be built of course.

    Hopefully they will have Li-ion batteries or something similar which will effect their performance (for the better) but also their cost (for the worst... but worth it), and of course the Ladas will be carrying... or capable of carrying rather expensive weapons which will also present a problem for a branch that is not overwhelmed with cash in the budget.

    Of course as exports and international trade improves and Russia becomes rather richer then that funding can be directed into securing that trade and protecting new allies and trade partners who might also be interested in buying naval military equipment from Russia to defend their own interests too.

    This conflict in the Ukraine should open Russias eyes and also the eyes of the rest of the world regarding the things the west will stoop to... I mean getting into bed with nazis... who could ever trust the US again?

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