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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:33 am

    And EU assets on Russian territory.... there are plenty of western factories making cars and vehicles and other things in Russia that westerners have invested in.

    Just shows how desperate they are.

    Russian doesn't want the Ukraine and wont invade to seize it.

    If Kiev does something stupid then they will put a stop to that though.
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    Post  Firebird Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    This is interesting

    They have been helping terrorists for some time now...

    Sometimes on both sides of a conflict when they change sides... when the Soviets were in Afghanistan they helped the Northern Alliance, but after the Soviets left and the NA ended up fighting the Taliban, the NA became the enemy, but then of course the Taliban helped OBL and got banished to the naughty step... and everyone who was fighting the Taliban got help...


    Russia is dumping the OSCE.

    About time.

    A friend of mine got a biggish Twitter account banned by a wanker from the OSCE.
    It was this prick called Michael Mackay, who engaged in all sorts of pro Nazi shit in the Ukraine via web propaganda.
    HOw TF some muppet can engage in propaganda shit like "Radio Lemberg" AND be in the OSCE shows how trashy it is.
    Mackay was also working for murderous fraudulent tosser, Bill Browder (CIA payroll too).
    Mackay also made up a story about why the account was banned.

    Moving on, I think its time Russia crushed the Nazis and took the dispute to American soil. Every day that passes, more arms from GAYTO arrive in the Ukraine. Not exactly respecting the Minsk agreements is it!
    I'm sure those red Indians would love an S-400 to play with on what Washington describes as "their own land".

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    Post  Arrow Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:26 pm

    They think that Russia today is much weaker than the USSR.   A lot of this comes from the ludicrous nominal GDP comparisons wrote:

    The USSR had the advantage that its MIC had much greater production capacity. They built incomparably more tanks, ships, planes, etc. Here there is a gap in relation to Russia. Only that the MIC in the USSR was over 20% of GDP.
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    Post  Hole Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:51 pm

    The massive numbers were only build because the planners thought that WWIII would look like WWII, just with nukes. Massive armies fighting each other for territories and you only win if you can conquer the capital of your enemy. This is no longer the russian strategy.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:32 am


    The USSR had the advantage that its MIC had much greater production capacity.

    They didn't use imported parts and the older systems were cheap and simple so of course they could be made in large numbers.

    They originally intended to make something like 350 Whiskey class submarines... in the end they made over 200 and China made some too... the point is that there would be no value in them making enormous numbers of cold war era stuff... it is just not good enough now... but that is normal... they made more MiG-21s than they made MiG-23s...
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    Post  Scorpius Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:54 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    The USSR had the advantage that its MIC had much greater production capacity.  They built incomparably more tanks, ships, planes, etc. Here there is a gap in relation to Russia.  Only that the MIC in the USSR was over 20% of GDP.

    You can compare the production of freight cars in Russia now and in the USSR at its peak. And freight cars are the basis of logistics. And logistics is what wins wars.

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    Post  franco Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:39 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Arrow wrote:

    The USSR had the advantage that its MIC had much greater production capacity.  They built incomparably more tanks, ships, planes, etc. Here there is a gap in relation to Russia.  Only that the MIC in the USSR was over 20% of GDP.

    You can compare the production of freight cars in Russia now and in the USSR at its peak. And freight cars are the basis of logistics. And logistics is what wins wars.

    If my memory services correctly didn't Putin a few years back in an annual review of the Railway system order them to build an additional 30,000 freight cars?
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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:52 pm

    Where did you read such garbage. Putin does not run a GosPlan for the Russian economy.

    I have posted on this topic before. The rolling stock production is driven by replacement of worn out inventory and also increased
    demand driven by expansion of trade flows from Russia and through Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:33 am

    I would think the push to expand into the Far East and Far North would require an increase in train capacity in terms of rail stock and rail infrastructure and that if the push to develop those regions comes from the top that an increase in production to facilitate that would also come from the same place....
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    Post  Scorpius Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:04 am

    kvs wrote:Where did you read such garbage.   Putin does not run a GosPlan for the Russian economy.    

    I have posted on this topic before.   The rolling stock production is driven by replacement of worn out inventory and also increased
    demand driven by expansion of trade flows from Russia and through Russia.


    I can only add that in recent decades a couple more factories for the production of wagons have been built, which has significantly expanded the possibilities.
    For example, right now another plant is being built in Russia, capable of repair up to 30,000 wagons annually (half of the production capacity of the USSR in one plant).
    https://novotrans.com/remont-vagonov/%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B/

    Also, since 2012, the Tikhvin Railway Car Building Plant has been opened in Russia, capable of building up to 18,000 freight cars annually.
    https://www.tvsz.ru/about/

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    Post  franco Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:25 am

    kvs wrote:Where did you read such garbage.   Putin does not run a GosPlan for the Russian economy.    

    I have posted on this topic before.   The rolling stock production is driven by replacement of worn out inventory and also increased
    demand driven by expansion of trade flows from Russia and through Russia.


    It was after one of those meetings he likes to have with the concerned officials about the planning and operations of their departments. This one had to do with the Russian Railway system. Probably either to plan development and expansions or report on their status.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:29 am

    Raussian wagon business has extremely deep connections with the Ukraine.
    For example, Ukraine delivered a mass of axles and trolleys.
    If I remember correctly, this constituted of approx. 80% of the Russian market.
    They needed the time to reestablish production lines as well, so this would be another brilliant example of importozamieszczienije.

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:37 am

    Venezuela is ready for the closest military cooperation with Russia in the event of a conflict with NATO and in a confrontation with the United States over Ukraine. This was stated by Venezuelan President Maduro at a briefing after negotiations with the Russian delegation led by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, writes Olga Bozheva in the material for the electronic edition "MK.ru" .

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4486692.html

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    Post  PhSt Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:48 am

    Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand

    A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Russia that NATO will not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday proves Moscow right and NATO wrong on the matter.

    The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the West made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO will not expand past the eastern borders of Germany.

    “We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.

    “NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.

    A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”

    “We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe,” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

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    The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well.

    The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point.

    Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.”

    “Senior policymakers deny a non-expansion pledge was offered. This new document shows otherwise,” Shifrinson said in a follow-up tweet, noting that “beyond” the Elbe or Oder by any standard includes Eastern European countries to which NATO started expanding just eight years later.

    During a major press conference in December 2021, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West had promised the Soviet Union NATO would not expand “a single inch” to the east, but “brazenly deceived” and “cheated” Moscow to do just that.

    Responding to these comments, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance “has never promised not to expand.” In an interview with Der Spiegel later, Stoltenberg repeated that “there has never been such a promise, there has never been such a behind-the-scenes deal, it is simply not true.”

    NATO admitted Poland, Hungary, and Czechia in March 1999, just before launching an air war against Yugoslavia without the permission of the UN Security Council. This put NATO directly on the Russian border – the enclave of Kaliningrad – for the first time ever. The next round of expansion in 2004 included the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, placing NATO’s eastern frontier just 135 kilometers (84 miles) from St. Petersburg.

    In a series of security proposals made public in December, Russia demanded NATO publicly renounce expansion to the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia and withdraw US forces to the 1997 boundaries of the alliance, among other things. The US and NATO have rejected this, arguing the alliance’s “open door” membership policy is a fundamental principle for them.

    https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/

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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:54 pm

    Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation to visit Cuba, Nicaragua

    https://en.topwar.ru/192640-predsedatel-gosdumy-rf-pribyl-na-kubu-chto-vyzvalo-ozabochennost-administracii-ssha.html

    ukraine has the right to enter NATO according to US/West, then Cuba and Nicaragua have the same right to join CSTO

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    Post  andalusia Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:36 am

    This is interesting comments by Mike Pompeo:



    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pompeo-iowa-russias-vladimir-031950798.html
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    Post  Kiko Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:28 pm

    Pepe Escobar: the credibility of the Empire was buried today

    Geopolitical analyst Pepe Escobar assesses that Russia has already won the war in Ukraine and that the US Empire had its credibility buried this Thursday 24, after the precision attack led by Moscow against all Ukrainian military facilities. "The credibility of the Empire was buried today," he said, in an interview with journalist Leonardo Attuch. According to Pepe, Russia did exactly what it announced it would do – but that the West did not want to hear.

    He also claims that the Ukrainian government will not last long. "Zelensky will fall and the question is how a new Ukrainian government will be articulated," he says. "The Ukrainian economy has been devastated since the 2014 coup," he points out.

    Yandex Translate from Portuguese

    https://www.brasil247.com/mundo/pepe-escobar-a-credibilidade-do-imperio-foi-enterrada-hoje

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:46 am

    This is interesting comments by Mike Pompeo:

    That fact that he thinks the west could crush Putin is amusing... they have been trying that for 20 years.

    The fact that he thinks he understands Putin is amusing too, but the fact that he wants to eliminate the head of state of another country that was legally elected and largely supported by the home population reveals him to be evil himself and anti democracy.

    How would he feel about foreign politicians who openly talked about eliminating US presidents and political officials... he would go apeshit...

    But the arrogance of US politicians who think they can decide who is in charge of other countries is amusing and a warning to all countries... because they openly replace leaders of weaker countries all the time... no respect for democracy or international law...

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    Post  andalusia Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:04 am

    I think Russia would benefit by issuing its currency interest free like Guernsey:

    https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/social-credit/item/guernsey-s-monetary-experiment




    Russia should strong consider the Chicago Plan to replace the poisonous Neoliberal monetary policy:


    https://goldsurvivalguide.co.nz/the-chicago-plan-the-final-assault-in-the-war-on-cash/
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    Post  andalusia Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:10 am

    GarryB wrote:
    This is interesting comments by Mike Pompeo:

    That fact that he thinks the west could crush Putin is amusing... they have been trying that for 20 years.

    The fact that he thinks he understands Putin is amusing too, but the fact that he wants to eliminate the head of state of another country that was legally elected and largely supported by the home population reveals him to be evil himself and anti democracy.

    How would he feel about foreign politicians who openly talked about eliminating US presidents and political officials... he would go apeshit...

    But the arrogance of US politicians who think they can decide who is in charge of other countries is amusing and a warning to all countries... because they openly replace leaders of weaker countries all the time... no respect for democracy or international law...

    Agreed however, Americans would say 'might makes right'. Most average don't know about the true nature of American foreign policy and have been brainwashed into thinking they are fighting for freedom. These places are viewed as distant from the US; the majority of Americans view war as distant and as a video game that doesn't effect them. The only time their sense of invincibility would be shattered is if a country like Russia hits back on US soil with missiles or even worse nuclear weapons.
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    Post  chinggis Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:45 pm

    What did Liz Truss said to provoke Russian to rise up its alert on nuclear force?
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    Post  Urluber Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:37 pm

    I don't know but looking at western media for the past 5 days, it's in full war mode. Same can be said about most of western governments and their comments. I think representative of UK even slipped that target of sanctions is "regime change in Russia". They took it back some time after but it's obvious to everyone with a brain that it has been discussed. "Regime change" means direct involvement in internal affairs of a sovereign country. Practically a war.

    This kind of information war in the west typically precedes a military operation.

    MOD is constantly monitoring multiple variables on wide array of theaters and comparing it to information of developments of past conflicts on part of various actors.
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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:24 pm

    She said: “If we don’t stop Putin in Ukraine we are going to see others under threat – the Baltics, Poland, Moldova, and it could end up in a conflict with Nato. We do not want to go there. That is why it is so important we make the sacrifices now.”

    Some Western media outlets did not even mention her statement as a reason for Putin's nuke alert. Instead they claim that Putin made his decision only because of sanctions or out of desperation. However, it is the corporate media that is showing its desperation, when it is not even capable to quote on Putin correctly.

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    Post  chinggis Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:38 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:She said: “If we don’t stop Putin in Ukraine we are going to see others under threat – the Baltics, Poland, Moldova, and it could end up in a conflict with Nato. We do not want to go there. That is why it is so important we make the sacrifices now.”

    Some Western media outlets did not even mention her statement as a reason for Putin's nuke alert. Instead they claim that Putin made his decision only because of sanctions or out of desperation. However, it is the corporate media that is showing its desperation, when it is not even capable to quote on Putin correctly.

    Thank you! Smile
    For me it is clear now why we are in alerted mode. It is very stupid to tell that to one well armed power with many nukes in its arsenal. And now we see that some EU states will send lethal weapons (is there any non lethal weapon?), air crafts, shells etc. and in the same time there is no civil defense exercise, no checking of air and nuke shelters. Strange at all. God help us if we have a so stupid politician who are leading us in that.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:20 am

    It is also worth noting an article from the German-languaged site Anti-Spiegel. I have put a very interesting and worrysome part in the Google translator.
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    The Decapitation Strike

    In Russia it is now said that the Russian action in Ukraine is the only way to prevent a major war, a third world war. This may sound like Russian propaganda, but there are two facts to keep in mind.

    First, in the US, there is the so-called nuclear decapitation strategy. This strategy states that a rapid and unexpected nuclear first strike against Russia's command centers and nuclear weapons would destroy most of Russia's nuclear potential. According to the proponents of this strategy, the rest can be intercepted and only a few nuclear missiles from the Russian counterattack would get through.

    And since it's likely to hit Europe, not the US, that strategy is an openly talked-about option for some hawks in Washington. There are quite a few in Washington who believe that a nuclear war can be won if you can only strike fast enough. To do this, US nuclear missiles would have to be placed as close as possible to the Russian borders, for example in Ukraine.

    Second, the United States, as the world's only nuclear power, expressly does not rule out a nuclear first strike in its military doctrine. In their military doctrines, China and Russia have provided for the use of nuclear weapons only in the event of a nuclear attack on their countries or in the event of an existential threat to their countries. The USA, on the other hand, does not rule out surprising a country with nuclear weapons, even out of the blue. That's what the US military doctrine records say, and it's not disputed at all.

    [...]

    Russia knew that after recognizing Donbass - and especially after its military intervention in Ukraine - it would be hit with crushing sanctions. The fact that Russia took this step anyway, although it doesn't have much to gain from it (apart from the Donbass), but inevitably has to accept gigantic economic damage, shows once again that Russia is of the opinion that something can only be done in this way to prevent a lot of bad things from happening.

    You can accuse Russia and Putin of many things, but Putin and his advisers are not stupid. The largest country in the world will hardly go to war just to conquer or control a few additional square kilometers of land, which then also has to be rebuilt at great expense. Wars have always been and will always be waged for specific goals, because one hopes to gain something from them. However, Russia cannot gain anything in Ukraine that would somehow compensate for the upcoming sanctions.


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