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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:31 pm

    All Russia has to do is build a new navy base airbase and artillery base on Kuril islands and the Japs and Americans will shit themselves.

    Russia should stop being nice and just start calling out US territories that were illegally taken, starting with Hawaii.

    And it's funny since that since the land is under control of Russia, Russia controls the birth paperwork, licenses and passports. So they can determine the set.

    The US is playing a game they know they can't win. It may bite them in the ass since there are actual regions in the US that want to seperate and Japans southern islands are of no fan of the US occupation
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    Post  PhSt Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:06 pm

    Kiko wrote:Kurils and Moldova are new potential areas for the new US presidency to strike against Russia. So:
    https://www.rt.com/russia/508828-kuril-islands-japanese-citizenship/

    So If Russia were to launch Sarmat missiles from Kurils to strike Washington will the US retaliate against Japan? Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:02 am

    West prepares Moldova for an anti-Russia take
    https://ria.ru/20201205/moldaviya-1587703628.html
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:42 am

    Kiko wrote:West prepares Moldova for an anti-Russia take
    https://ria.ru/20201205/moldaviya-1587703628.html

    Who cares. It is a pauper state that thinks Uncle Swine-shit will throw it some crumbs.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:28 am

    Moldova relies on Russia's trade for its economic development. Once that's gone, they will have to rely on EU and NATO and we'll, that usually doesn't go well these days
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:54 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Moldova relies on Russia's trade for its economic development.  Once that's gone, they will have to rely on EU and NATO and we'll, that usually doesn't go well these days

    Well, those obvious consequences didn't stop Ukraine from shooting itself in the skull, so i am not holding out much hope for Moldova.
    Call me a pessimist.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:34 am

    I have seen posts on this board claiming that America will just ratchet up its pressure and win. That is exactly the sort
    of imbecilic "thinking" that is exhibited by NATzO leaders. Pure wishful thinking and infantile projection.

    Yeah, sanctions are the hammer and all they need to do is hit Russia hard enough and they will fall in to line... just a few more sanctions will do it... obviously...

    Moldova relies on Russia's trade for its economic development. Once that's gone, they will have to rely on EU and NATO and we'll, that usually doesn't go well these days

    They will live like kings... kings in a medieval village of idiots like Kiev....

    Well, those obvious consequences didn't stop Ukraine from shooting itself in the skull, so i am not holding out much hope for Moldova.
    Call me a pessimist.

    The Scorpion and the Frog springs to mind... the point is that if they did show some smarts... what sort of allies will they make for Russia?

    As soon as anything changed they would be offering their services to any opposition to Russia.... Russia is better off with the clarity... they can stop wasting money propping up hostile countries and invest in their own interests and real allies...

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:22 pm

    NATO Craving Conflict, by Finian Cunningham:

    The US-led NATO military alliance is like a war junkie – it needs to inject conflict and tensions in order to get a “fix” for its existence.

    NATO’s pathological addiction was all the more apparent with the publication of its mission document last week entitled ‘NATO 2030 – United for a New Era’.

    Reading between the lines, it is evident that the alliance’s planners are desperately seeking a public rationale “to stay relevant” – more than 70 years after the military bloc was founded in 1949 at the beginning of the Cold War with the Soviet Union.
    And they find that “fix” for existence by talking up the alleged threats posed by Russia and China. The Cold War has to be maintained, otherwise NATO goes Cold Turkey. And the junkie can’t do that.

    NATO’s civilian leader Jens Stoltenberg hammed up the aggression by accusing Russia and China of “coming closer to us” from “the Arctic to the Atlantic”. Conveniently, according the NATO chief, the remedy for meeting this “challenge” is for the alliance to deploy even more forces on the borders of Russia and presumably China as well.

    By way of a reality-check, Russia’s Baltic Fleet command released data this week which shows that over the past 12 months the United States has conducted a five-fold increase in strategic bomber flights near Russia’s western borders compared with the previous year. These aircraft are capable of launching nuclear weapons. This was under the watch of President Trump who was supposed to be “soft” on Russia and trying to “normalize” bilateral relations.

    In addition, the US and NATO members Poland and Romania are deploying missiles which are capable of striking Russia within minutes from launch.
    Meanwhile, Washington has scrapped yet another arms control institution, the Open Skies Treaty, which means that Russia is prevented from conducting scheduled surveillance flights to monitor possible US military build-up.

    That follows the Trump administration’s trashing of the Cold War-era Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty last year which could pave the way for the Americans deploying so-called “tactical” nuclear weapons in Europe aimed at Russia. Again, Trump was supposed to be a “stooge” of Russia. Give us a break!

    The US and its NATO allies also intend deploying more tactical nukes near China’s territory. That would explain why Washington quit the INF treaty. While the Americans accused Russia of breaching that treaty, the real reason was Washington giving itself a free hand to deploy otherwise banned weapons in offensive positions towards China.

    So, who is threatening who? The NATO “mission statement” accusing Russia and China of increasingly posing a threat is patently absurd. It is turning reality upside down and articulated with brazen double-think, or outright duplicity.
    NATO is addicted to creating enemies because it needs to find a way to justify the spending of nearly $1,000 billion a year on military machines. That’s the combined spending on “defense” by the US and its NATO allies. That represents about 20 times what Russia spends and on its military and five times that of China.

    The military-industrial complex is a vital component to drive Western capitalism. Industry lobbyists and lucrative donations ensure politicians in Washington and Europe are bought to merrily dance to their tune and keep the whole military-money racket going.

    But in addition, NATO is the spearhead for US imperialism. Without the political cover of NATO, then Washington doesn’t have the veneer of “multilateralism” when it wants to launch wars around the planet. Keeping NATO together, or “staying relevant” as its planners euphemistically say, is essential for whitewashing the criminal operations of American imperialism.

    With audacious Orwellian distortion of reality, NATO then turns around and accuses Russia and China of threatening global peace and security.

    Ominously, President-elect Joe Biden is talking up strengthening the NATO alliance while pointing fingers at Russia and China. And America’s European lackeys appear to be swooning at the prospect of more NATO adventurism. America “is back”, as Biden declares, and the European minions are delighted.
    The lunatics are running amok in the NATO asylum. The war junkies are craving for a fix. With Western capitalist economies tanking and social problems mounting, the danger is very real that NATO’s hallucinations about Russia and China could end up starting war.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:45 pm

    Yeah, after covid of course their first priority will be boosting funding for HATO and weapons... great news for the US military MIC but not so good for Europe... pissing away money to create a military superiority so they can negotiate with Russia from a position of superiority... that always works...

    When opponents are making mistakes never interrupt them... Biden might be China friendly and anti Russia, but China is not stupid and will not be dictated to by the US... they know the real threat to their culture and any chance of a prosperous future comes from the west.
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    Post  par far Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah, after covid of course their first priority will be boosting funding for HATO and weapons... great news for the US military MIC but not so good for Europe... pissing away money to create a military superiority so they can negotiate with Russia from a position of superiority... that always works...

    When opponents are making mistakes never interrupt them... Biden might be China friendly and anti Russia, but China is not stupid and will not be dictated to by the US... they know the real threat to their culture and any chance of a prosperous future comes from the west.

    There are US vassals that are pissing away money on US arms instead of economically and that is good for Russia and China.

    Russia and China have done a good job of upgrading their military's, while strengthening their economics.

    China economy is the only economy that is growing and Russia economy has not regressed like the economics of western countries and Russia should rebound more quickly.

    As for China, I don't think they will trust the US, it does not matter if Biden(a puppet that does not only what is happening) is the president.

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:08 pm

    NATO is a dinosaur composed of mostly decomposing meat. The notion of being able to deploy more soldiers than Russia (not
    China, of course) is WWII era thinking that means little in modern war. Also, the EU part of NATzO is not anywhere near
    the military level per capita of the USA. So they are mostly dead meat. And finally we have the rotting facade called the
    USA. The US ledership drinks its own propaganda koolaid and it is clear to anyone who pays attention that the US does
    not have the military capability attributed to based on the irrelevant colonial adventures to suppress 3rd world countries.
    The US does not even have hypersonic missiles and its ICBMs are from the 1970s. Yet somehow, this clown show is supposed
    to be a hyperpower. Sure, a hyperpower in confidence rackets.
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    Post  Kiko Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:05 pm

    America forced Tokyo to give up Kuril Islands, yet now it labels its Russian residents as Japanese, ex-diplomat tells RT:
    https://www.rt.com/news/509030-us-russia-kuril-islands/

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:35 pm

    Kiko wrote:America forced Tokyo to give up Kuril Islands, yet now it labels its Russian residents as Japanese, ex-diplomat tells RT:
    https://www.rt.com/news/509030-us-russia-kuril-islands/

    Two threads opened talking about this. No need for a third one.

    This is just a silly provocation that doesn't really do or mean anything. As pointed out, the citizens of kurils state they are Russian, the Russian military is there, and so on so on.

    It's about as useful as if Russia states all Alaskans are Russian which they are already going to troll USA with.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:49 am

    The world has come through a difficult time where normal production and trade were hampered by lockdowns and a focus on health... Russias economy took a hit like everyone else, but companies like Amazon that deliver to your door made billions in extra profit, chinas recovery and growth is simply because they produce stuff and now that vaccines are becoming available and are being used world travel and world trade will recover, so countries dependent on travel will start to recover too, but Russia had the good sense to balance their budgets rather than just borrow, they were in a much better economic position than most other countries around the world and soon they will return to normal production and normal travel.

    HATO has decided to spend money to intimidate Russia and China... well it has such a glorious record of not working... it must work this time around... besides... what else do they have to spend this money on?

    Both Russia and China should focus on trade and growth and development but also improving standards of living, health, education, quality of life... improved energy supply and security... welfare programmes based on the people who need help helping themselves with proper support, rather than handouts that create dependants... help the poor by education and upskilling so they can get quality jobs that pay a living wage, while keeping housing costs low so the money they earn can be spent on things other than rent to some rich land owner...

    Have a justice system that is about justice and not about winning at all costs... a lawyer representing a guilty person should not try to get them off, they should be making sure the person understands what is happening and does not get tricked into admitting to something they didn't do for example... what a slippery slope that would be.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:52 am

    The stupidity of this guy is something to behold:

    Washington should not believe Moscow's claims about the inadmissibility of nuclear war: US special envoy

          Washington. 9th December. Interfax - The United States should not reaffirm the no-nuclear clause in the 1985 US-Soviet Joint Statement, US Special Envoy for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley said.
          "No future (US - IMF) president should sign such nonsense, and if he does, he should be severely punished," he said, speaking at the National Institute for Public Policy.
          He added: “The Russians have repeatedly asked us to come out with them with such a statement (...), but we are not going to ask President Trump, together with Vladimir Putny, to confirm something. (...) They (Russia - IF) cannot be trusted when it comes to arms control. "
          The special envoy argued his statement by the fact that "Russia continues to behave as if there was some difference between the use of strategic and tactical nuclear weapons," although, according to him, the United States had warned that in any case this would lead to "strategic consequences ".
          “This is probably because their military plans to invade NATO territory involve scenarios in which they strike on the battlefield, believing the alliance will surrender rather than respond,” Billingsley explained.
          In addition, the official noted, Russia currently possesses nuclear weapons, which are not included in any agreements on restrictions, and continues to build up its nuclear potential.
          Russia last year invited the United States to come out at the highest level with a joint statement on the inadmissibility of nuclear war, similar to that adopted in 1985 by Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and US President Ronald Reagan. The draft statement was submitted to the American side. It proposed to fix the intention of the two countries to act in such a way as to avoid military confrontation and exclude the possibility of a nuclear war, to take the necessary measures to exclude the possibility of accidental or unauthorized operation of nuclear weapons.
          "There can be no winners in a nuclear war, and it should never be unleashed," the draft document said.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp%3Frid%3D1%26nid%3D542947%26lang%3DRU

    So the best that chimp can come up with is no arms control at all, since Russia cannot be trusted per definition. Guess the next step is to get rid of Russian Untermenschen right?

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:27 pm

    This is exactly the sort of chauvinist c*nt that dominates the yanqui decision making class. It is clear that these boneheads
    think that arms control is some sort of favour for Russia. And of course we have the usual guilt transfer of accusing Russia
    of what the US does all the time. For example, all those stored warheads are an actual violation of the START arms control
    agreements since the yanquis likely have secret ICBM stocks which they pretended to destroy. Only the USSR and later Russia
    bothered to destroy the warheads. The yanquis used various excuses not to do so.

    But untying Russia's hands is the worst nightmare these losers could unleash. Their retarded notion that they can outspend
    Russia and make it bankrupt speaks for itself. Russia has no MIC profiteering encumbrance on its missile and warhead production.
    It can build enough Avanguard glider warheads and ICBM delivery vehicles to glass every square inch of Uncle Swine-shit's
    ocean separated cult utopia.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:31 am

    Of course you can outspend an opponent... if you print your own money...

    The problem is that in the process of outspending them you run the risk of undermining the value of the money your economy relies on... perhaps an arms race would be a good thing... when the US keeps producing more money and their economy directs that money to the 1% which is what it is designed to do maybe the 99% might realise the game they are playing is rigged and the American dream only applies to those who remain asleep...

    This attitude to defence and spending will likely be part of what destroys them.

    I don't think Putin wants that... a broken America still has military force and nuclear weapons... a civil war and economic collapse wont make it safer for the rest of the world...

    But the US is really only giving Putin two choices... total surrender, or self respect and patience and hope that eventually they will realise what ass holes they are being... the rest of the world sees it... the west thinks it benefits so it wont and really can't correct Americas behaviour... it will remain on its knees at Americas table nibbling on the crumbs... but America is a very messy eater and is rather dumb so the west can eat rather well and sometimes even use Americas strength to get what it wants like to destroy Libya, or Syria...
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    Post  PhSt Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:54 am

    I don't think Putin wants that... a broken America still has military force and nuclear weapons... a civil war and economic collapse wont make it safer for the rest of the world...

    I don't mean any offense but you sound like you quietly desire the continuity of the current status quo where Amerikkka and NATzO continue to spit on Russia's face. A broken Soviet Union still has military force and nuclear weapons but did it resulted to the end of human existence? I honestly think that your hopes that "Maybe" the yanquis will realize that they are being arseholes will never happen. And because of Amerikkka's countless crimes against humanity, I firmly believe that they deserve a taste of Humiliation. Let them experience what it feels when a Superpower collapse and break up into pieces and their entire population is plunged into third-world level poverty. Do not deny the world this spectacular sight. attack
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    Post  PhSt Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:52 pm



    Trump’s China tweet ‘destructive & deceitful’ as there isn’t ‘ANY QUESTION’ Russia behind latest hacking scare, Adam Schiff claims

    Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) has joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in blaming Russia for a recent massive cyber attack. He also slammed President Donald Trump for the inconvenient suggestion China could have been the culprit.

    Based on what I’ve seen, I don’t think there’s any question that it was Russia,” Schiff, who is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told MSNBC on Sunday, commenting on the hack.

    The hacking operation in question targeted the SolarWinds Orion Platform, a network monitoring tool used by US government agencies and numerous corporations. There has been no evidence presented that Russia was behind the hack, but Pompeo alleged otherwise in a recent interview.

    Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) also pushed back against the president on Sunday, accusing him of having a “blind spot” when it comes to Russia.

    “What Russia has done is put in place a capacity to potentially cripple us in terms of our electricity, our water, our communications,” the senator told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

    The Republican called for the cyber attack to be “met with a very strong response, not just rhetorical, important as that is, but also with a cyber response of like magnitude or greater.


    It looks like the upcoming Biden regime will double down in escalating their aggressive actions against Russia, Russia needs to make a clear statement that any cyber attack against Russia based on these phoney allegations will be met with a crippling response that is 1000x more destructive. attack

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:53 am

    They have done this plenty of times while Trump was in charge... the novachok bullshit, the WADA bullshit... what ever they do Putin can simply get his little black book of things he wants to do to hurt the west but is just too damn nice a guy to do so... when they impose sanctions he can pick from his list to retaliate...

    They banned food imports from the EU and had the entire Crimean penninsula returned to them over these harsh western attacks supposed to cripple them and make them bend over...

    Hasn't worked yet but I am sure a new round of sanctions will finally make it happen... right?

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:25 pm

    We will have history repeating as a farce. Bidet is trying to follow in the footsteps of Hitler (yes really) and will only succeed
    in stepping on his own rake. Compered to 1940, the USA is a soft, rotten "threat to itself" and Russia is on a whole other plane
    than the USSR. NATzO tanks will not be rolling into the Russian heartland. They will not even be able to cross a few kilometers
    inside Russia's borders. The only war option Bidet has is a nuclear attack and that, today, is guaranteed suicide for Uncle Swine-shit.

    Dreams of regime change in Russia should have stopped after 2011. But retards will keep trying the same trick over and over
    hoping for success.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:52 pm

    Ahahahaha.

    Anyway, it will be met with nothing. Their rhetorics against Turkey was same.

    Anyway, what? Ban Russia from swift? They have an alternative. They sanctioned Russia to high heaven already.  Attack Russia via cyber attack? Go ahead. Won't do shit.  Just force Russia to spend more on new Russian computer hardware.  Physical attacks? Two can play that game.  Russia can fight back.  Get Ukraine to attack? That will be death wish for Ukraine

    Russia made it clear to them a dozen times not to make things worst. They don't listen.

    America don't want even go after Iran. What makes you guys think they will go after a far more advanced and military strength nuclear armed Russia?

    If they try, at least NATO will step back cause they know they are fucked so US is on its own
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:59 pm

    kvs wrote:We will have history repeating as a farce.  Bidet is trying to follow in the footsteps of Hitler (yes really) and will only succeed
    in stepping on his own rake.    Compered to 1940, the USA is a soft, rotten "threat to itself" and Russia is on a whole other plane
    than the USSR.   NATzO tanks will not be rolling into the Russian heartland.  They will not even be able to cross a few kilometers
    inside Russia's borders.   The only war option Bidet has is a nuclear attack and that, today, is guaranteed suicide for Uncle Swine-shit.

    Dreams of regime change in Russia should have stopped after 2011.  But retards will keep trying the same trick over and over
    hoping for success.  


    Do you seriously think they will invade Russia or attempt?

    No they won't
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:59 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:We will have history repeating as a farce.  Bidet is trying to follow in the footsteps of Hitler (yes really) and will only succeed
    in stepping on his own rake.    Compered to 1940, the USA is a soft, rotten "threat to itself" and Russia is on a whole other plane
    than the USSR.   NATzO tanks will not be rolling into the Russian heartland.  They will not even be able to cross a few kilometers
    inside Russia's borders.   The only war option Bidet has is a nuclear attack and that, today, is guaranteed suicide for Uncle Swine-shit.

    Dreams of regime change in Russia should have stopped after 2011.  But retards will keep trying the same trick over and over
    hoping for success.  


    Do you seriously think they will invade Russia or attempt?

    No they won't

    Never underestimate idiocy. Never.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:45 am

    And because of Amerikkka's countless crimes against humanity, I firmly believe that they deserve a taste of Humiliation. Let them experience what it feels when a Superpower collapse and break up into pieces and their entire population is plunged into third-world level poverty. Do not deny the world this spectacular sight

    You have to appreciate the situation... we are in the house of a hard working man who worked long hours to put a roof over his families head and provide food and clothes... only he has just lost his job... so the income is gone... his wife and his kids don't look at him the same any more... he used to tell them what to do but he also paid for everything and kept them warm and fed and safe... now lets say he worked for the Church and while he may or may not have committed crimes against children he certainly protected men who did... the money is gone the job is gone the wife was probably having an affair and now the money is gone she will be gone the next chance she gets... and the kids are over 16 years old...

    You could kick him when he is down and tell him what a controlling monster he has been to his own family and the neighbours, but when that bank manager comes to collect what he is owed and he brings the local sherriff with him... you know it is because of this guys extensive gun collection... you want a show... well this guy hasn't just got a pistol and a .22 rifle and a shotgun... this guy has nukes.... enough weapons and ammo to kill everyone in the village... are you still sure you want to poke him with a stick and tell him what a bastard he has been?

    Because the chances he will take a properly look at himself and realise you are right and to thank you for the analysis and that he needs to change his life around and sort his shit out is probably pretty low considering the level of character and integrity he has shown so far... it is more likely he will do a Hitler and expect the world to burn with him...

    The US is not going to disappear... even a bloody civil war might leave them divided but even the parts will be strong and rather well armed... though the experience of the Soviet Union would probably be a good example of what could happen... cutting off the dead wood and streamlining to get something much more productive and competitive is all together possible with the right person...

    The EU might sit back and watch or it might pounce on central and south america and other US assets... Hawaii might become an independent country and improve relations with its pacific neighbours too... who knows.

    But those nuclear weapons are a serious concern either way and they have enormous numbers of warheads in storage... not destroyed.

    Do you seriously think they will invade Russia or attempt?

    The drunk and the desperate do some crazy things...

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