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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:44 pm



    Russia has upgraded a helicopter base on the small island Gogland in the Gulf of Finland and NATO's fake stream media is
    crapping its pants like there is no tomorrow. My God what a collection of bloody hypocrites. When NATO deploys its
    military right up to the Russian border that's fine and dandy. But my oh my when Russia deploys defensive military assets
    on its own territory well removed from any NATO border, that's epic aggression. GTFO, NATO swine.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:14 pm

    Russia should follow suit with an S-400 and an Bastion system.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:58 pm

    Hole wrote:Russia should follow suit with an S-400 and an Bastion system.

    I agree since NATO is openly talking about invading former-Koenigsberg. Once again, when NATO talks open aggression it
    is the same as angels singing, but Russia just has to move a military helicopter from one part of its territory to another to
    get NATO propaganda orifices squealing with indignation.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:25 am

    Well it is worse than that really... from what I could tell the Russians tested a new temporary helicopter base system that can be deployed presumably anywhere from a single Mi-26... it was tested on this remote island because it was a remote island not set up for helicopter operations... effectively they flew in one Mi-26 which set up a modern capable forward helicopter air base from which helicopters of all types could operate effectively and then after they did their exercise they took it all away with them.

    Putin was there to see this, and he also had a helicopter ride and a sub ride, and that was it.

    The resulting western articles suggest that Russia is expanding its military to territory it has every right to have military forces on BTW and that Sweden and Finland need to join NATO as fast as they can so they are protected from big aggressive Russia... imagine the very idea of the expanding their military forces up north and out east and now to islands they own... the aggressive bastards... you better join NATO while you can or there will be no chance for you...
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    Post  DerWolf on Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:30 pm

    NATO drills indicate preparations for large-scale conflict — Russian General Staff
    https://tass.com/defense/1100381

    Us think that a conflict with Russia will only remain conventional, thats a bad way of thinking.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:36 pm

    DerWolf wrote:NATO drills indicate preparations for large-scale conflict — Russian General Staff
    https://tass.com/defense/1100381

    Us think that a conflict with Russia will only remain conventional, thats a bad way of thinking.

    It will unless NATO manages to get upper hand and move in Russian territory... in which case it will be instant Dr. Strangelove

    First Europe as a warning shot and if they don't back off USA mainland as well

    They just keep forgetting what nukes are for...




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    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:NATO drills indicate preparations for large-scale conflict — Russian General Staff
    https://tass.com/defense/1100381

    Us think that a conflict with Russia will only remain conventional, thats a bad way of thinking.

    It will unless NATO manages to get upper hand and move in Russian territory... in which case it will be instant Dr. Strangelove

    First Europe as a warning shot and if they don't back off USA mainland as well

    They just keep forgetting what nukes are for...


    There lot of isolated US bases that would be bigger and more valuable targets. A nuk in europe would end the war and the situation wouldn't change much, only a radioactive forest.

    But if they nuk two or three US bases in Pacific that would strenghten Chinese positions as the new world leader.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:20 am

    I doubt if Americans and American politicians would really care about a tactical Russian strike against Europe... of course publicly they would be shocked and horrified for their allies, but behind closed doors they could care less because it was not US territory that was hit.

    If NATO start something with Russia is makes the most sense for Russia to strike back at the head of NATO and that is the US.

    I would think a conventional NATO attack on Russia would result in a nuclear response from Russia because I doubt they would expect to solve such a problem with conventional forces anyway.

    Of course using MiG-31s with Kinzhal and destroying entire NATO fleets sent north to intervene would be satisfying...

    Personally I would target all US bases in Europe but also major capital cities and population centres of countries with US bases in them as a punishment for allowing US forces into the region.

    Russia bled a lot during WWII... lets make the Europeans and Americans bleed more of their fair share in WWIII...
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:48 am

    https://tomluongo.me/2020/04/04/u-s-cold-war-shifted-russia-china/

    Has the U.S. Cold War Shifted from Russia to China?

    This is a Cold War that NATzO is destined to lose. Russia's resources and technological capability combined with Chinese
    production, technological capability, and finances together with its largest GDP on the planet (in real terms, not BS forex
    terms) are unstoppable. Africa and the former colonial hinterland will fall into the economic and hence political sphere
    of China and Russia. This will kill off NATzO cold and hard. NATzO is a colonialist relic that still needs to leech off
    colonies to function. China and Russia will bury the western colonial project once and for all.

    And US aircraft carriers are not going to stop this process. Development of the 3rd world is choking the spice flow
    to NATzO.

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    Post  kvs on Thu May 14, 2020 6:45 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-could-cut-whole-relationship-war-words-between-trump-and-beijing-heating

    Trumpy and the yanqui exceptionalist-stan are deluded about China's vulnerability. China's GDP growth over most of the last
    20 years has been driven by internal demand and not exports. So attempts to cut China off from western export markets
    will result in some pain but will lead to export and import substitution since China has the economic diversity and critical
    mass to do this. Just like the yanquis are utterly deluded about their BS sanctions cutting Russia off from precious western
    capital and imports, they are deluded about the level of damage they can do to China.

    In fact, no western country can cut China off cold turkey. It would take 10+ years just to rebuild all of the offshored industry.
    But if China is cut off over a 10 year transition period, it can adjust its trade regime as well. So the precious west is just
    waving its dick around.

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    Post  par far on Thu May 14, 2020 8:49 pm

    A great piece by Pepe Escobar, a must read.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-chinas-president-xi-wont-repeat-ming-dynasty-mistakes/5712722


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    Post  par far on Thu May 14, 2020 9:03 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-could-cut-whole-relationship-war-words-between-trump-and-beijing-heating

    Trumpy and the yanqui exceptionalist-stan are deluded about China's vulnerability.   China's GDP growth over most of the last
    20 years has been driven by internal demand and not exports.   So attempts to cut China off from western export markets
    will result in some pain but will lead to export and import substitution since China has the economic diversity and critical
    mass to do this.   Just like the yanquis are utterly deluded about their BS sanctions cutting Russia off from precious western
    capital and imports, they are deluded about the level of damage they can do to China.  

    In fact, no western country can cut China off cold turkey.   It would take 10+ years just to rebuild all of the offshored industry.
    But if China is cut off over a 10 year transition period, it can adjust its trade regime as well.   So the precious west is just
    waving its dick around.



    This is very true. I think the one country(there are many) that will fall on a sword of lies of the west is India. India disillusioned by Donald Dump, has saved up land twice the size of Luxembourg(they have kicked off a lot of people from their land and houses without giving the proper compensation), so western companies, that are "looking to move" from China, can "build their factories". This is bound to go badly for India because most Indian politicians are corrupt. India is also breaking off from BRICS and becoming a ally of the US. What Modi is trying to do is, sit on two chairs and in the end he will likely sit on neither.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 15, 2020 4:11 am

    You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...
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    Post  par far on Fri May 15, 2020 4:11 am

    GarryB wrote:I doubt if Americans and American politicians would really care about a tactical Russian strike against Europe... of course publicly they would be shocked and horrified for their allies, but behind closed doors they could care less because it was not US territory that was hit.

    If NATO start something with Russia is makes the most sense for Russia to strike back at the head of NATO and that is the US.

    I would think a conventional NATO attack on Russia would result in a nuclear response from Russia because I doubt they would expect to solve such a problem with conventional forces anyway.

    Of course using MiG-31s with Kinzhal and destroying entire NATO fleets sent north to intervene would be satisfying...

    Personally I would target all US bases in Europe but also major capital cities and population centres of countries with US bases in them as a punishment for allowing US forces into the region.

    Russia bled a lot during WWII... lets make the Europeans and Americans bleed more of their fair share in WWIII...


    This is just a hypothetical question, would Americans and American politicians care, if Russia did a tactical strike on Israel, if Israel had attacked Russian bases in Syria?


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    Post  par far on Fri May 15, 2020 4:13 am

    GarryB wrote:You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...

    I am pretty sure that those companies will be moved out of China at some point. What do you think will the Chinese do in response? I am pretty sure they have been preparing for this but what do you think they will do?
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    Post  kvs on Fri May 15, 2020 4:56 am

    GarryB wrote:You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...

    Trump represents the de-offshoring faction of the US elites. The MAGA slogan is not just vapid hot air. The globalist clowns thought
    they could gain hundreds of millions of customers in China and India and the rest of the "developing" world and that throwing Americans
    and Europeans under the bus was small price to pay. It turns out that Chinese and Indian companies put up show stopper competition
    for those hundreds of millions of new consumers. At the same time the sweatshop profits that western transnationals were raking in
    have started to decline substantially over the last 10 years as the natural evolution of development is raising wages in previously
    dirt poor countries.

    It is shocking to me how arrogant and stupid western elites are. That they did not consider the above predictable outcomes of economic
    development is pure fail. Now they are scrambling to rebuild what they let rot away since the 1970s.

    Following MAGA, western transnationals will be re-shoring production to America and western countries. India will not be the new offshore
    paradise even if the workers make less money than in China. The globalist economics era is ending.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon May 18, 2020 3:12 am

    "Just days after Mike Pompeo’s visit to “Israel”, the Chinese ambassador to “Israel” has been found dead."

    https://twitter.com/Mahyar313/status/1261927065756057600

    Chinese ambassador to Israel found dead at his residence

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    Information comes from Israel regarding the ambassador of the People's Republic of China. Local media report that the Chinese diplomatic representative was found dead this morning.


    According to recent reports, Ambassador Du Wei was discovered without signs of life in his residence located in Herzliya. This is a resort town located near Tel Aviv.

    It is noted that several ambulance crews and law enforcement officers arrived at the residence of the Chinese ambassador.

    Journalists tried to find out what is the cause of the death of Du Wei.

    At the moment, the official summary is as follows:

    The Chinese ambassador to Israel died in a dream. The cause of his death was a heart attack.

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    The Chinese Foreign Ministry confirmed the death of the ambassador.

    For reference:

    Du Wei arrived in Israel as the new ambassador of China in early 2020. It is added that this arrival took place before the “officially recorded outbreak of coronavirus infection in Israel”. Data on whether 58-year-old Du Wei had heart problems was not available at this time.

    Du Wei still has a spouse and a son. Their occupation is not reported. According to recent reports, a group of Chinese doctors went to Tel Aviv with whom Israeli colleagues should share data on the causes of the death of the Chinese ambassador.

    https://topwar.ru/171314-posol-kitaja-v-izraile-obnaruzhen-mertvym-v-svoej-rezidencii.html
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    Post  kvs on Mon May 18, 2020 3:46 am

    Pure mafia tactics. I believe this is proof of the high level of desperation of the yanquis and their fellow travelers. But such
    dirty tricks will not work on countries like Russia and China.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 18, 2020 8:45 am

    This is just a hypothetical question, would Americans and American politicians care, if Russia did a tactical strike on Israel, if Israel had attacked Russian bases in Syria?

    Americans irrationally sympathise with Israel. Israel can intentionally attack a US ship and kill about 30-40 of the Sailors on board and injure another 130 or 140 and the US will do nothing about it.

    If Iran looked at a US ship funny they would "return fire" in self defence...

    I am pretty sure that those companies will be moved out of China at some point. What do you think will the Chinese do in response? I am pretty sure they have been preparing for this but what do you think they will do?

    To be honest I think china has outgrown those companies anyway... they are never going to be chinese companies, so while they are an education on how a company can be successful and competitive in the long term they are foreign owned companies that compete with Chinese owned companies for market share at home and abroad.

    The Chinese response should be to get behind the Chinese companies that do the same thing and support them internationally to replace these hostile western companies in the Chinese and international market.

    Russia does not have a local Apple direct equivalent and therefore would be much better off with Huawei rather than the choice of Apple or nothing else. If there is a Russian direct equivalent then competition with Huawei is a win win because it challenges the Russian maker to work harder, but the competition is not so destructive and insidious to Russia as Apple is.... with their software and hardware backdoors for the CIA and NSA...

    Trump represents the de-offshoring faction of the US elites. The MAGA slogan is not just vapid hot air. The globalist clowns thought
    they could gain hundreds of millions of customers in China and India and the rest of the "developing" world and that throwing Americans
    and Europeans under the bus was small price to pay. It turns out that Chinese and Indian companies put up show stopper competition
    for those hundreds of millions of new consumers. At the same time the sweatshop profits that western transnationals were raking in
    have started to decline substantially over the last 10 years as the natural evolution of development is raising wages in previously
    dirt poor countries.

    Trump is saying what he is saying to get votes.... he could care less about American workers... it is the 0.1% that control the US... he couldn't force Apple to come home any more than he could force the military to fix all the problems on the F-35 within budget...

    Offshore production bypasses workers rights and payrate laws... you can wipe out more people than were directly killed by Chernobyl and get away scott free if you are a chemical company with a factory in India... it would have destroyed a lot of very rich families if that had happened in the US... instead they just folded up the company and there was no one left to sue or to take to court.

    Following MAGA, western transnationals will be re-shoring production to America and western countries. India will not be the new offshore
    paradise even if the workers make less money than in China. The globalist economics era is ending.

    The problem is that looking at his other policies of better relations with Russia and bringing the troops home, I would not hold my breath regarding moving US tech companies workforce back to the US...

    Ironically they have a problem with Porto Rico.... they should make it a tax free zone for the US companies operating there... it would solve the problems of the locals and the big companies...

    "Just days after Mike Pompeo’s visit to “Israel”, the Chinese ambassador to “Israel” has been found dead."

    When I read that I was expecting to see... Cause of death suspected to be suicide as the injuries... 6 stab wounds to the back, three gunshots to the heart and four to the head, with hands and feet amputated with the arms and legs bound... suggest suicide...
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    Post  George1 on Sat May 23, 2020 8:35 am

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    Post  par far on Sat May 23, 2020 6:58 pm

    George1 wrote:


    US and China have been involved in a Cold War for a while. Where time Pompeo open his mouth, I just want put something in it.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 24, 2020 7:52 am

    Ironically it is the US that sees itself as humanity... it is the super power... some even call it a hyper power.... pushing China away will seriously damage the US, and while China might feel some pains initially I think in the long term it will actually be really good for them to not become Americas bitch... to stand up to the bully....
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