A carrier group would also be fairly well protected against Kalibers.
If it knew they were coming, yes... it should be... Calibres would be used to sink supply ships, or land based targets rather than carrier groups.
You don't spend lots of money to design and build a range of high speed anti ship missiles and then just use Kh-35s against carrier groups.
So the Club S and Club N are a cross between a missile and a torpedo, right?
Club S and Club N are families of missiles... if you look on the pages... it is not clear but there are sub sonic cruise missiles and there are subsonic and supersonic anti ship missiles and there are supersonic ballistic rockets that deliver torpedoes to attack subs. You will notice in the lists... the flight ranges indicate all these weapons have ranges of less than 300km and are export weapons. You will also notice the diameter of all these weapons... for 534mm torpedo tubes and 650mm torpedo tubes.
Club S I believe is the Submarine system and Club N is the Ship based system or the other way around...
In the ship based system the 533mm and 650mm weapons can be loaded into the UKSK launcher, but with the sub based system if you only have 533mm tubes you have to use only the smaller diameter weapons. All the weapons come in different sizes... the difference between the 91ER1 and 91ER2 is that one is a 533mm weapon and the other is a 650mm weapon.
The 91ER1/2 are basically ballistic rockets with a mini torpedo in the nose (a 350mm anti sub torpedo). The ballistic path is calculated to deliver the torpedo as close as possible to the detected sub threat and is launched at mach 2.5 towards the enemy sub. It wont detect it coming till it splashes down in the water close by and will have very little time to evade or escape. It is even quicker than using a helicopter to deliver the torpedo.
It is fired just like a missile but when it approaches the target it drops into the water and behaves like a torpedo. Is that's what you are saying?
It depends. I have seen video footage of one launched from a ships torpedo tube launcher... so it is launched into the water and it says under the water for about 20m or so and then it launches out of the water with its rocket engine. From a sub launch it launches from a standard torpedo tube and runs up to the surface and then ignites its rocket engine and powers in the direction of the target. In the UKSK launcher it just launches like a ballistic rocket vertically and then rolls into the direction of the target in a controlled flight to the target area.
Can Club S and Club N be fired from from both surface vessels and subs?
One is a sub system and the other is a ship system. Both are the export versions of the systems. The domestic models of the land attack 300km range subsonic club are called Calibre and have flight ranges of about 2,500km. The domestic models of the subsonic all the way anti ship missile and the subsonic but then terminal attack supersonic anti ship missiles also likely have much greater ranges too. AFAIK the 91ER1/2 in the domestic models don't have a much bigger range simply because the chance of detecting an enemy sub at much greater ranges is unlikely.
New models of these missiles are being developed for the UKSK-M... the UKSK can hold 750mm diameter missiles like Yakhont and Onyx, so the 533mm and 650mm weapons currently used are not filling the available space. Larger calibre bigger missiles with longer range make sense with the introduction of the UKSK and UKSK-M systems to all new Russian ships and many subs.
So for instance the new Calibre land attack missile can be bigger like the air launched Kh-102/102 and have a flight range of 5,000km or more.
Klub N is for surface ships, launched from UKSK and klub S for submarines launch from torpedo tubes or now VLS for subs.
Ahh, yes, that way around.... but also these are export systems... domestic systems have longer ranged missiles because they are not limited by missile export agreements.
It's a family of missile. Each type of missile has the variant for surface fire and underwater fire (Klub N and Klub S). Which means many different missiles in the family which also mean expensive to have all of them in good quantity for export countries.
I don't agree there... the missiles are fairly specific in capabilities and role... they are land attack or anti ship or anti sub. Some of them can be both anti ship and land attack.
The ship based club system can have weapons launched via deck mounted torpedo tube but I have only ever seen 533mm torpedo tubes on Ships and not 650mm tubes. For the bigger weapons you would need UKSK launchers which can launch all types if needed... and other weapons as well like Yakhont and Brahmos and Onyx.
The russian variant is called kalibr and is better than the export model.
My understanding is that the domestic land attack missile is called Kalibr but the other missiles are called Club in domestic use.
How many seconds are you trying to play with here?.
Let me do some math for you, 50KM is about 31 miles.
Mach 2.5 is about 1918 MPH.
1918 MPH is about 32 miles per minute.
These are VERY short-range weapons and the second they leave the Launch tube a ship will know and will react. Plus they are very small so if two even hit a decent sized ship it will not sink unless it gets some godly hit. Modern warships are designed to stay a flow even if many compartments are flooded.
You are ignoring dozens of factors acting like these are some wonder weapons that will kill anything they touch and they won't unless it's a really small ship or they get some freak hit.
The 91ER1 and 91ER2 are anti submarine weapons and would never be used against a ship... and a submarine would not know the rocket is coming till the torpedo splashed in the water nearby... unless they were at periscope depth at the time of the launch and were watching the ship that launched the rocket... but even then what could they possibly do to escape...
There of course are things a sub can do like release decoys and jammers and anti torpedo torpedoes, but most of the time this weapon is going to land within 500m or so of them and by the time they realise what is happening it will be too late.
BTW very short range weapons... yes... that is correct... they are... because all such weapons like Subroc and Asroc are also short range weapons because the days of detecting enemy subs 500km away are over. The US spent lots of money developing a weapon called Sea Lance to replace Subroc but never put it into service because at the time Soviet subs were becoming rather more quiet and there simply was no need for a weapon with a greater range than Subroc because enemy subs would be unlikely to be detected at the greater range it could reach. It was also bigger and heavier and more expensive... but surprise surprise they cancelled it anyway.
These days they would buy some anyway and make it a command ship.
Not short range. 533mm torpedo which are the most common have 50km range with newest ones having greater range. But that doesn't matter because a sonar would have hard time tracking a military target, in ASW mission, further than 20km.
With a netcentric system, the ship that launches the missile might not be the platform that detected the sub... anti sub helos have much greater flight range and endurance if they don't have to carry torpedoes... as long as they don't operate more than 40km away from a ship equipped with this weapon they can just carry extra fuel instead of torpedoes...