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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:26 am

    Isos wrote:The guy I already told about. Former US submarine sonar operator that is totally pro-US. And he says that .... huge.


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    Loving it. The USN brass are kept up at night with the nightmare of 9-12 invisible Yasens unleasing dozens of hypersonic PGMs against their floating elephants... censored them all Very Happy
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:35 pm


    Looks like Novosibirsk will be launched soon Cool

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    Also:

    Kazan test launched torpedoes in White Sea

    https://ria.ru/20191205/1561996017.html


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    Post  dino00 on Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:35 pm

    The first serial nuclear submarine of the Yasen-M project, Novosibirsk, will be launched on December 25

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7393143
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:45 pm

    Budnichenko said that two nuclear submarines (NPS) of project 885M Yasen-M, the construction contract of which was signed in 2019, will be laid down on May 9, 2020.

    "The laying of two new Ashen-M will be completed on Victory Day, May 9, 2020," he said
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    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7393143

    Very good russia attack santa

    Looks like we will have 2 borei and to Yasen submarines laid down on 9 May.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:38 am

    Russian latest nuclear-powered submarine gets new control system

    The nuclear-powered submarine Kazan is a modernized fourth-generation ship

    SEVERODVINSK /Arkhangelsk Region/, December 20. /TASS/. The improved Project 885M (Yasen-M) lead nuclear-powered submarine Kazan will differ from the baseline 885 version by its new control system, Sevmash Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko said on Friday.

    "The nuclear-powered submarine Kazan is a modernized fourth-generation ship. It differs from the Yasen-class lead nuclear-powered submarine Severodvinsk by its new combat control and integrated sub control systems," the chief executive said in an interview with the Shipyard’s journal Zavod on the eve of the enterprise’s 80th anniversary that will be celebrated on December 21.

    The Kazan is "an unusually complex ship," the chief executive said. "That is why, some aspects surfaced in the process of trials that will require additional tests at sea in 2020."

    "The ship is very good. During the sea trials in 2018 and 2019, it demonstrated excellent maneuvering characteristics. We are continuing to check the nuclear-powered sub at sea: it is necessary to test a large number of new types of armament and military hardware installed on it," the chief executive said.

    The Kazan is the first multirole nuclear-powered submarine of the improved Project 885M (Yasen-M). It was laid out at the Sevmash Shipyard in 2009 and floated out on March 31, 2017. The sub is expected to join Russia’s Northern Fleet where the lead Yasen-class submarine Severodvinsk is in operation.

    The Project 885 and 885M nuclear-powered subs carry Kalibr-PL and/or Oniks cruise missiles. Eventually, they will get Tsirkon hypersonic missiles. The Sevmash Shipyard is currently building five Project 885M nuclear-powered submarines. In 2019, the Shipyard signed a contract on building two more submarines of this Project.

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    Post  ult on Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:09 pm

    Novosibirsk.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:58 pm

    6 years to launch it vs 8 for kazan the other 4 under construction should take easily 5 years. So they will have 7 of them before 2025 and 2 more will be started on 9th may 2020 to get them before 2030. They will be able to remove sierra and victor subs.

    IMO it will be enough then switch for Husky to replace akulas starting 2030.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:24 pm


    So shiny!!! thumbsup

    Also it looks like that Kazan and Novosibirsk will both be delivered in 2020, maybe experience with Kazan sped up time frame for Novosibirsk?

    Russian Navy Will Get 4 New Nuclear-Powered Subs In 2020

    https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/russian-navy-will-get-4-new-nuclear-powered-subs-in-2020-2019-12-23-40/

    ..."In 2020, we must deliver four nuclear submarines to the navy: Belgorod nuclear-powered submarine, Project 955A class strategic missile underwater cruiser Knyaz Oleg, as well as two Project 885M multipurpose nuclear submarines Kazan and Novosibirsk," Budnichenko said in an interview with TASS on the eve of the shipyard’s 80th anniversary, celebrated on December 21...




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    Post  Dima on Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:47 pm

    Isos wrote:6 years to launch it vs 8 for kazan the other 4 under construction should take easily 5 years. So they will have 7 of them before 2025 and 2 more will be started on 9th may 2020 to get them before 2030. They will be able to remove sierra and victor subs.

    IMO it will be enough then switch for Husky to replace akulas starting 2030.
    Provide proper funding, the timeline will compress for sure. I bet.

    Regarding 945 and 671RTMK, why so much urge to dispose them off?
    945s are already undergoing upgradation.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:38 pm

    A timeframe of 5 to 6 years is really good. Don´t waste money in trying to speed up the construction process even more, instead use the money to order more.
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    Post  Dima on Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:16 pm

    By funding, I did not mean pouring in excess money than whats required, but to make the whole funding available/uninterrupted for the entire duration of its construction.

    6+ yrs from laying down to launch is a consolation by what the Russian industry has been forced to work upon, but it need to be reduced to less than 5 years, so that in case of additional fine tuning, the commissioning comes inside of 6 years.

    Taking a closer look at the 885M we see the following timeline from laying down to launch.
    Kazan - 7 years + 8 months
    Novosibirsk - 6 years + 5 months
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:08 pm


    Actually pace of Russian nuclear submarine construction has finally reached European average more or less so I'd say things are pretty good right about now especially when you consider difference in size and complexity:

    https://twitter.com/krakek1/status/1209004376846688257

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    What they could do is to start building nuclear subs in additional location, Zvezda could be a good candidate down the road, they already overhaul Oscar SSGNs and will soon be certified to build nuclear vessels

    Once Husky-class gets off then ground they could start with that one

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    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:15 pm

    Soviets build their nuclear subs in Russia so the industry didn't suffer during the fall of USSR as opposed to big ships which were build in what became Ukraine.

    Only money was an issue.

    In your datasheet you can see they are even better than french and british fir the newest subs. USSR was even faster and finished Typhoons in some 4-5 year IRC.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:04 pm

    K-560 Severodvinsk?

    Picture taken by Norwegian Orion intel patrol in the Barents Sea.

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    Post  dino00 on Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:30 pm

    Shaped variety: submarines "Ash" change appearance

    It became known how the latest multi-purpose project 885M submarines look


    The rocket Ashen will change its appearance. The Kazan submarine of project 885M received a number of characteristic differences from the lead ship of the series. She became shorter, her nose was pointed, and the number of torpedo tubes was reduced. In addition, the submarine was equipped with installations for protection against enemy ammunition. The same modernization awaits all subsequent nuclear submarines of this series. Experts note that changes in the dimensions of the missile carrier indicate that at least it received more advanced equipment and equipment.

    Now the Navy includes the Severodvinsk multipurpose cruise missile nuclear submarine (SSBN), the lead ship of Project 885 Ash. It was adopted in 2014, after which the shipbuilders took a short pause in order to break in the equipment and make the necessary changes to the design.

    The multi-purpose submarine of Project 885M Kazan was built just in view of the modifications. Now this submarine is undergoing state tests, after the completion of which it will have to be accepted into the Navy. It is expected that this will happen before the end of this year.

    As sources in the military-industrial complex told Izvestia, the first updated submarine received a more pointed nose. In the numerous photographs of Kazan, this cannot be discerned, since most of it is hidden under water. In addition, the number of torpedo tubes (TA) on the submarine decreased from 10 to 8. It is noteworthy that for projects 885 and 885M, for the first time in the practice of domestic shipbuilding, TAs are located not in the bow of the ship, but next to the compartment of the central post.


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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:31 am

    They reduced the crew from 90 to 64. That's a huge improvment.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:56 am

    Isos wrote:They reduced the crew from 90 to 64. That's a huge improvment.

    Not huge, it's gargantuan!

    Only 12 more than Kilo-class (52) which is diesel sub 4 times smaller

    It's insane for SSGN

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:09 pm

    Yup, especially when you consider the Seawolf/Virginias have a POB of 140/135 respectively.

    Think about it.  The 885M only requires 45% of the crew of a (smaller) Sea Wolf. The same mass of food stores lasts twice as long.  Yep, that's insane, but in a good way Laughing

    Or put it another way - the 885M has a crew twice the size of the 705 Lira/Alfa but for a boat that displaces 4x as much and has vastly greater combat power. The Alfa was a generation ahead of any other boat afloat in terms of automation levels, and the 885M shows that the Russians haven't lost their touch in this regard.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:31 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Yup, especially when you consider the Seawolf/Virginias have a POB of 140/135 respectively.

    Think about it.  The 885M only requires 45% of the crew of a (smaller) Sea Wolf. The same mass of food stores lasts twice as long.  Yep, that's insane, but in a good way Laughing

    Or put it another way - the 885M has a crew twice the size of the 705 Lira/Alfa but for a boat that displaces 4x as much and has vastly greater combat power. The Alfa was a generation ahead of any other boat afloat in terms of automation levels, and the 885M shows that the Russians haven't lost their touch in this regard.

    Actually it can be even better. They need only 1/2 of the crew to use the sub while the rest sleep and rest.

    For operations they could take just 30 sailors. Like for exemple they detected a ohio ssgn near their shores or need to launch cruise/antiship missiles and need to quickly send a sub there they don't need to wait all the crew to be there. They can always be brought by helicopter after the incident is closed.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:36 pm


    Navy confirms 5 new attack submarines (Yasen) will sail for Northern Fleet (4 for Pacific Fleet)

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/04/navy-confirms-5-new-attack-submarines-will-sail-northern-fleet

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:09 am

    Actually it can be even better. They need only 1/2 of the crew to use the sub while the rest sleep and rest.

    For operations they could take just 30 sailors. Like for exemple they detected a ohio ssgn near their shores or need to launch cruise/antiship missiles and need to quickly send a sub there they don't need to wait all the crew to be there. They can always be brought by helicopter after the incident is closed.

    Crews need to operate 24/7 so are generally split into three teams or shifts that work 8 hours on with 16 hours off (including 8 hours sleeping), so 64 divided by 3 is about 21 point 3, so in practise there is probably three shifts of 20 crew to run the boat plus the commander and second in command and probably a doctor/dentist/barber/Acupuncturist/psychiatrist or two that work when needed/on call... A few of those 20 will be working producing 192 meals a day...
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:25 pm

    40 Onix or 50 Calibr in 10 VLS per 885M  + 30 torpedoes thumbsup

    They asked "Ashen". How has one of the most dangerous Russian submarines changed
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    Post  thegopnik on Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:44 pm

    Viktor wrote:40 Onix or 50 Calibr in 10 VLS per 885M  + 30 torpedoes thumbsup

    They asked "Ashen". How has one of the most dangerous Russian submarines changed

    Thanks alot, I always wanted to know the torpedo count
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:06 pm

    30 torpedoes is a lot.
    Depending on the mission, some of these torpedoes can be substituted with additional Kalibr missiles that can be launched from the torpedo tube.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:53 pm

    Or ASW missiles or anti-ship missiles or mines. Cool

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