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    Project 885: Yasen class

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    Post  hoom Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:10 am

    RT put out the Kazan Military Acceptance video but with some english narration & subtitles

    Interestingly they say Kazan has more missile tubes presumably meaning compared to Severodvinsk & that they fire Onyx presumably also implying Severodvinsk doesn't?! Suspect
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:56 am

    The presenter ruins his credibility when he says that the Soviet-era design for a tank-carrying amphibious submarine monstrosity is in production.....   Suspect
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    Post  hoom Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:13 pm

    Yeah that was really odd.
    I wonder if there was some low quality translating involved or did he actually say that in Russian?
    Certainly puts other claims in question.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:27 pm

    The first Yazen was laid down in the 80's so there will be differences between the first ship and others, with such a wide gap this is to be expected.

    I would assume someone made a translation error, it happens it's just funny somehow no one caught that in post-production.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:17 am


    Reactor on Kazan SSGN has been fired up thumbsup

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/110920/

    .............

    Any hopes for some extra boats in this class? Or are they letting this year go by empty?
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    Post  hoom Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:12 pm

    There was a 4 year gap between Kazan being laid down (July 2009) and Novosibirsk (July 2013) so unless its progressing super quick probably not.
    Should be a lot quicker than the previous 2 though.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:25 pm

    hoom wrote:There was a 4 year gap between Kazan being laid down (July 2009) and Novosibirsk (July 2013) so unless its progressing super quick probably not.
    Should be a lot quicker than the previous 2 though.

    Dammit, they need just one more to get 50:50 split between North and Pacific, hope they don't blow this opportunity, Yasen is way too good. They should be going for double digits here...
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    Post  hoom Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:15 am

    Oh you mean laying down an 8th? You'd think so but the order appears to be only for 7.
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:45 am

    hoom wrote:RT put out the Kazan Military Acceptance video but with some english narration & subtitles

    Interestingly they say Kazan has more missile tubes presumably meaning compared to Severodvinsk & that they fire Onyx presumably also implying Severodvinsk doesn't?! Suspect

    The part starting at 16:45 will interess Militarov for sure lol1
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:04 pm

    I would love this boat in place of old Bars or Schuka. Clearly the navy needs number to remain relevant against myriad numbers of potential enemy submarines. As well as to keep the skill up.
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    Post  hoom Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:54 am

    In lighter news
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    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/putins-red-october-submarines-in-uk-waters-are-undetectable-russias-deadly-super-steal-subs-could-give-navy-the-slip-mod-admit/ar-BBN3QyE?li=BBoPRmx
    In which UK 'Defense sources' claim that a Yasen A has been poking around the UK sub base at Faslane and
    Earlier this year, it was revealed that there has been a tenfold increase in Russian submarine activity in UK waters since 2015. But the actual numbers and the locations visited by Russian submarines remain classified for security reasons.
    They know but they don't because the new sub is undetectable by SOSUS & Royal Navy sonar.

    Reality:
    Yasen-A = Kazan which hasn't even started sea trials yet as far as I'm aware.
    Russian sub poking around Faslane will be a reference to the incident where an Irish fisher had his net caught up by a sub & nearly capsized with much public outrage & from recollection an official demand for the Russian Ambassador to Please Explain.
    ...Except the Royal Navy subsequently admitted the culprit was infact a Royal Navy sub on its way from Faslane to NATO wargames North of Ireland sunny
    I'd bet real money the only 'Russian submarine activity in UK waters' has infact been the 6* BSF Kilos transiting openly, unthreateningly & entirely legally, on the surface.
    Similarly the sniffing around cables & pipes is reference to the evidence-free, 100% political claim that Russia is planning to cut-off the UK from the world by breaking all the cables made around the time the UK Defense budget was being decided.
    Oh and completely irrelevantly Borei-A is a thing dunno
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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:55 am

    The channel is not UK waters. It is an international waterway. Stupid island monkeys! Mad
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    Post  Isos Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:22 am

    Hole wrote:The channel is not UK waters. It is an international waterway. Stupid island monkeys! Mad

    They should send an old SSBN there on surface 24/7 all the year full of ICBM just to piss them off lol1 They would have to have a constant surveillance on it and use all their navy ships for that.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:05 pm

    Considering this, you'd expect even stronger presence in Scottish waters. After all, it's perfectly consistent with the increase in Russian air force activity around the world.
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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:53 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:The channel is not UK waters. It is an international waterway. Stupid island monkeys! Mad

    They should send an old SSBN there on surface 24/7 all the year full of ICBM just to piss them off lol1 They would have to have a constant surveillance on it and use all their navy ships for that.

    Great idea. Imagine the Donskoy travelling around the british isles for four month. The NSH would break down because hundreds of politicans and journalists would get a stroke or heart attack. Very Happy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:57 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Great idea. Imagine the Donskoy travelling around the british isles for four month. The NSH would break down because hundreds of politicans and journalists would get a stroke or heart attack. Very Happy

    not yet, first you have to tell them missiles have Novichok warheads Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Post  hoom Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:35 pm

    The channel is not UK waters. It is an international waterway. Stupid island monkeys! Mad
    No. Its half UK territorial waters, half French.
    Ships including military have the right to pass through but its still actually entering territorial waters.

    Considering this, you'd expect even stronger presence in Scottish waters. After all, it's perfectly consistent with the increase in Russian air force activity around the world.
    No. The claim is that a ship (Kazan the only launched Yasen-A) thats never even set sail on trials yet has been poking around inside UK territorial waters undetected but they know its been happening *somehow*.
    Its obviously a bunch of bullshit.

    They should send an old SSBN there on surface 24/7 all the year full of ICBM just to piss them off
    No. Its better to just keep doing perfectly innocent unthreatening passages like they have been.
    If they did something openly threatening like that it'd make the silly transparent propaganda not so silly.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:43 am

    Novachok is useless... it only kills one in 5 people who come in to contact with it... the one killed has to spray large amounts on themselves before it becomes effective...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:48 am

    GarryB wrote:Novachok is useless... it only kills one in 5 people who come in to contact with it... the one killed has to spray large amounts on themselves before it becomes effective...

    actually it works only in radius 20miles from UK chemical weapon labs
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 pm

    Ships including military have the right to pass through but its still actually entering territorial waters.

    Territorial waters are legally about 7 miles... I thought the channel is more than 14 miles across...

    Don't confuse territorial waters with exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

    NATO countries tend to tell the same lie regarding airspace too.
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    Post  hoom Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:07 am

    Territorial Waters = 12nm = 22.2km & the channel is only about 33km wide at the narrowest point.
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    Post  Luq man Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:45 pm

    K-560 Severodvinsk in drydock:
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    Kazan started sea trials:
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:54 pm

    Κazan put in the water for first time. Not trials yet
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    Post  hoom Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:46 pm

    No its Kazan starting seatrials, it launched back in April 2017 https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3352843.html
    On September 24, 2018, for the first time, the main underwater cruiser K-561 "Kazan", the modified project 08851 (885M, the code "Yasen-M"), built at JSC "Production Association" Northern Machine Building " enterprise "(SMP). goes to the factory sea trials from Severodvinsk
    ...
    The withdrawal of the nuclear submarine "Kazan" from the workshop of the Northern Sea Fleet to the launching dock "Sukhona" was carried out on March 31, 2017, and the ship's fusical descent to water from the floating dock was carried outApril 8, 2017.

    Good timing to refute the BS about 'Yasen-A' (ie Kazan) 'poking around Faslane' unshaven
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:52 am

    Territorial Waters = 12nm = 22.2km & the channel is only about 33km wide at the narrowest point.

    There are exceptions however.... I remember a US ship entered Soviet waters off the coast of the Crimea... something about sailing a straight line from one place to another being legal even through territorial waters... the Russian ship ended up ramming the American ship...

    Here we are:

    In February 1988, Caron operating with Yorktown, entered Soviet 7 miles ) territorial waters limit in the Black Sea off the Crimean Peninsula. Under international law, this act could be permissible if the ship was progressing from one point in international waters to another point in international waters...

    and just for fun the video that went with it...


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