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    Post  TR1 Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:24 pm

    It is a completely brand new boat, with brand new technologies on board, is there really any other explanation needed?

    Think how long Dolgoruki was in "trials" for.
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    Post  Austin Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:58 am

    Right now Yasen has two problems.

    1 ) Its acoustic signature though lower than all other Russian subs in operation has still not met the desired benchmark set for it.

    2 ) Its Sonar still has issues and needs further fine tuning.

    It will take 6 month of extended trial to fine tune the two parameters , so even though RuN has accept the Sub for extended Trials the Flag will be raised sometime in June.
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    Post  Austin Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:17 am

    Interview with CEO of SPbMBM (St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau) "Malachite 



    The "Ash" and other advanced development of the Russian submarine


    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1270556-echo/



    can any one post key points of the interview ?
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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:08 pm

    Austin wrote:Interview with CEO of SPbMBM (St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau) "Malachite 



    The "Ash" and other advanced development of the Russian submarine


    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1270556-echo/



    can any one post key points of the interview ?

    A.ERMOLIN : Good evening , on the radio program "Arsenal" , leading to the studio today restricted - Alexander smoking and Anatoly Ermolin . Our guest today Vladimir Dorofeev , CEO of St. Petersburg Marine Engineering Bureau "Malachite" .

    V.DOROFEEV : Good evening .

    A.ERMOLIN : We're talking today about the long-term development of the Russian submarine , including about the project "Ash" , and according to tradition, Alexander asked the first question .

    A.KURENNOY : immediately determine what we say today - CB " Malachite" - that it includes businesses that are engaged exclusively in the submarine fleet , or do you have something else?

    V.DOROFEEV : KB "Malachite" is not a group of companies , is one company that has one industrial building and a small experimental production . Specialty of our KB - design of nuclear deepwater stations , diesel - electric submarines of small displacement, deep and special equipment design manned submersibles .

    Plus we still do civil products , it is in our order book is not very large volume, however, it is worth mentioning one ship , the vessel - the so-called floating base complex providing drilling , which was built on our project at the Tyumen Shipyard and now successfully operated exploration drilling .

    A.KURENNOY : So , your main products - under water. So what is the project "Ash" ?

    A.ERMOLIN : Initiates people we write that "Ash" - a very expensive toy , neither the rocket did not find the target, will remain in readiness without sense " - so mysterious mantra .

    V.DOROFEEV : I guess the answer to this question lies in the general human feelings . If I say that you are sick , I can assure you that in a month you will start to get a headache , losing his hair , stomach ache . If we talk about every day that we have a bad bad Industry Bureau , so that probably it will.

    But today it is absolutely untrue . In particular, it is ready to talk about nuclear submarine , nuclear powered cruiser - a project of the 885 Severodvinsk . Ship with enough difficult fate - the first of its technical appearance was formed , terrible to say , in 1983. The ship was constructed , since it has been 20 years of bookmarks and 9 days.

    For any uninitiated person is, of course , tragic figures , who say that the ship is built really expensive , unneeded . But it is not so .

    And why - not so ? To do this, look back and see why there was "Ash" , which he solved the problem , objectives, relevant whether those tasks for which it was created , at the moment ?

    By the early 80 -ies. design office "Malachite" had accumulated a considerable experience to create multipurpose nuclear submarines . In particular , it is in our KB developed the first nuclear submarine project 627 , our offices , a project the fastest submarine with a titanium case , the project 661. Can we imagine a ship moving under water at a speed of about 80 miles per hour - more than is allowed in the city? - Is the speed of the order of 44.7 knots . It is unsurpassed and will probably not be more than surpassed by none in submarine shipbuilding .

    This nuclear submarines complex automated 705 project , which has a high degree of automation , the small number of personnel and other outstanding characteristics at the time .

    And the essence of development to the early 80s was the creation of a nuclear submarine project 971 , which today is the basis of multi-purpose nuclear submarines , and all of them were built 15 pieces - they were built at the same time in the Far East, the Amur shipyard in the north - Sevmash .

    And even then the task was reducing the diverse nature of the ships - the preservation of facial features , giving ships universal qualities that would solve several problems at once . The first - the maximum effect while reducing funds spent on it - by increasing the ratio of serial , multi-purpose vehicle , through the creation of a modular principle picking weapons that would allow the ship to rearm in the future, as new types of weapons .

    And besides , the atomic submarine "Ash" combines two functions: first - traditional for multipurpose nuclear submarines - the problem is anti- harrows, combat surface ships and vessels. And plus the feature of this project lies in the fact that this ship is armed with vertical launchers group to launch cruise missiles. Moreover , cruise missiles for different purposes - as it rockets to fire at surface targets , and long-range cruise missiles to fire at shore targets .

    This was the first atomic submarine found really versatile multipurpose concept , finding a function that was not peculiar to submarines - the function of strategic non-nuclear deterrence , which has been successfully implemented in this ship.

    As for the comments about the high cost - well, it's difficult to say - which means expensive? - Looking to compare. From the standpoint of efficiency winged weapons can say that the ship was quite difficult phase state factory performance and state tests. And during these tests were successfully carried out shooting all types of weapons , including cruise missiles.

    A.KURENNOY : Project " Ash " - a large submarine. And there are still small ?

    A.ERMOLIN : Multiple purpose - what is meant by that is the target nuclear submarine ?

    V.DOROFEEV : This boat, which as combat missions solves different problems , so they say " multi-purpose ". It is a fighting surface ships - this problem is solved using torpedoes . On "Ash" for the first time in the practice of domestic submarine podtorpednye devices are removed from the bow , placed at an angle to the center line of the ship, and thus in the bow , which is acoustically pure - for the first time in our practice , domestic shipbuilding - managed to place very serious sonar system that provides the task of finding and targeting weapons stationed on a ship in the deep sea - say, sonically pure and in shallow water conditions , conditions of use of the ship in ice conditions.

    Plus from the same vertical launchers successfully be used without alterations ship cruise missiles, long-range , that allow objects to hit the ground infrastructure for significant distances .

    A.KURENNOY : And this project we are now in the ranks ?

    V.DOROFEEV : Yes . Acceptance certificate signed by the ship , decided to transfer it into trial operation , and in 2011 signed contracts with " malachite " for the development of the experimental design work - this is a technical design and prototyping accessory equipment for the boat "Ash" modernized - project "Ash" will be built in just one ship - it's 160 order.

    Further ships lot of these ships will be built on a modified project - " Ash " - modernized. Contracts were signed in the autumn of 2011 , with " malachite " on the part of the order OKRovskuyu Sevmash plant to build the lead ship is Kazan, and with the United Shipbuilding Corporation - to build ships - a certain amount of ships in the series.

    And now it is successfully implemented , it was already announced tab this year is the third ship - named him yet. We have today laid two more ships of the " Ash - modernized " - submarine "Kazan" , "Novosibirsk" and another ship will be laid this year.

    A.ERMOLIN : strategic non-nuclear deterrence - what meaning ? If we are talking about non-nuclear deterrence , we are talking about some powerful weapons , or what? Why it might be a deterrent ?

    V.DOROFEEV : Referring to the practice of using multipurpose nuclear submarines, our colleagues , opponents of the United States. We all remember the "Operation Desert Storm " in Iraq , we remember that the first blow , which was carried out on strategically important targets was implemented through the use of long-range cruise missiles , which are launched from aircraft carriers , plus launches of these missiles were carried out from waters adjacent seas , aboard the nuclear multipurpose nuclear submarines of class " Los Angeles ."

    But I must tell you why I believe that "Ash" is more promising - because the number of cruise missiles , which are available on "Ash" significantly exceeds the number of missiles that taken by our opponents on submarines - and " Los Angeles " and "Virginia" .

    A.ERMOLIN : What's in the "Ash" and your not yours? You develop a body , engines , electronics and someone else makes ?

    V.DOROFEEV : I would say so - the creation of the ship , especially the lead ship of such serious as "Ash" participated in many cooperative and dozens of businesses. In fact , this ship has created all our country and it is no exaggeration . Because peripheral equipment - here geography suppliers scattered all over Russia - from the north-west and ending with enterprises of the Far East .

    It should be noted is the fact that the design bureau is involved in the design from the earliest stages and ending with the delivery of the ship and its subsequent operation - in terms of field supervision, issues of repair and modernization . A very important issue - the conceptual design . Let me explain what's wrong : probably , in order to create a new ship design need not just talent - need scientific talent . Primarily, research organizations MoD , industry, our basic institutions , institutions that are engaged in construction materials , noise issues ship, issues of physical fields , weapons.

    This Rosatom institutions that deal with the development of power plants , dozens of scientific organizations who have invested their talent , head to the creation of this ship.

    The role of " Malachite " - combine all these efforts around the ship . It is clear that each individual specialist necessarily peculiar specialization , namely the development of their areas .

    A.KURENNOY : Linear solutions .

    V.DOROFEEV : Submarine is a result of a compromise at all . On the one hand, it is high power- big enough mass potentially dangerous , concentrated energy , and on the other hand, it increased safety standards and requirements for survivability , reliability, technical means. It is a daunting role KB - provide system integration create this ship.

    A.ERMOLIN : Now , maybe on small submarines ? What is it?

    A.KURENNOY : Generally the other products .

    V.DOROFEEV : Actually, I would say that by grade products are not divided into small and large , and on some other grounds. Because the same target small boat can be small and large displacement . But from this it does not cease to be a multipurpose nuclear submarine. Those competencies, which owns our office , and for a small amount to the ship, and for a lot .

    With regard to small-displacement ships , it diesel-electric submarines , the hallmark of our KB submarine can be considered " Piranha " - Project 865 , the general public it is known in the film " Peculiarities of National Fishing ", where we remember the heroes of the film out to rescue forgotten stocks vodka in Finland.

    This unique ship , which was developed by our office on this project were built two ships , unfortunately , today both of these ships scrapped , derived from the Navy .

    Ship itself is very interesting, and it was his boat, created on the basis of the technical principles that were laid down , we offer as our export potential, " Malachite ", for this purpose , we participate in various exhibitions , offering these projects - for the basis of " Piranha " and believe that diesel-electric submarines small displacement have the right to life .

    Because in coastal areas they are quite effective at small distances from their bases on the inland seas , in areas with shallow depths , complex hydrological conditions. These ships will certainly have the right to life .

    A.KURENNOY : Cause they interest abroad ?

    V.DOROFEEV : Cause . We are constantly carried out consultations - this year I was in the delegation of the United Shipbuilding Corporation at an exhibition in India, and consulted with potential customers who were interested in further negotiations and , if so, will be under the aegis of Rosoboronexport . Interest in these funds abroad there .

    Moreover, apart from the submarines 'Piranha' - all originally created unique ship because it is small displacement submarine , about 220 tons, is 30 meters long , which is typical - this boat is operated by one person . To draw an analogy , the number 2 by alerting all control of the boat by one person as a car. So you sat down and went . Strike up by pressing the power plant and the traffic moves on.

    A.ERMOLIN : Passengers much?

    V.DOROFEEV : Passengers were few, 6 people . Feature of this ship is that he had an appointment , including , for special operations . The main problem was that his secretive shipping and drop special forces that can secretly underwater submarine off the board , carry on further movement , where they laid by special means in motion that are used and placed both once they are aboard the " Piranha ".

    Now we offer on the basis of " Piranha " subs for sabotage operations , or counter- sabotage and submarines with enough standard armament , torpedo - with a small amount and small displacement - up to 750 tons.

    A.ERMOLIN : Take a short break and continue our conversation . Our guest - Vladimir Dorofeev , CEO of St. Petersburg Marine Engineering Bureau "Malachite" .



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    A.ERMOLIN : Continue the program. I remind you - we live in Vladimir Dorofeev , CEO of St. Petersburg Marine Engineering Bureau "Malachite" .

    I think you slipped the phrase about the nuclear-powered station. This is what is meant ? This submarine, or you're talking about serious deep underwater nuclear facilities ?

    V.DOROFEEV : I can say one thing - I remember what he said - I was talking about special deep technical means . Without developing this theme , I want to say that one of the activities " Malachite " is designing special deep technical means. This topic is not widely covered , so I also will not cover it . I can only say one thing - I was lucky enough to be for 10 years , first as Deputy Chief Designer , then deputy general designer and participate in the process of creating such deep- technical means , which was built at Sevmash .

    As a shipbuilder , recalling the years, I can say that they gave me a great deal. Because it is one thing to engage in pure art - design on paper - and another thing , and that's just the principle of " Malachite " - to actively participate in the construction of the ship itself . That is , we are all young professionals , and I, as a young deputy chief designer , was also sent to Sevmash , and over 10 years spent a lot of time participating in the construction of the ship , and then test it on the first day of going to deep test ship.

    And for me , of course , the school was run very serious, very serious. Suffice it to say that the results of tests I'm among those who participated in them , was awarded the " Order of Courage ." But this subject we do not develop .

    A.ERMOLIN : descends to depths of many kilometers ?

    V.DOROFEEV : I do not comment on the word " many kilometers " - I do not know , but fell in the maximum depth of the dive - a feeling incomparable .

    A.KURENNOY : "The Order of Courage" was not easy to earn.

    A.ERMOLIN : We already had the chief military aquanaut .

    V.DOROFEEV : Alexey V. ?

    A.ERMOLIN : And there was a very interesting program about the development of the Northern Shelf.

    V.DOROFEEV : I must say that these ships , when the full extent of their closeness , they are, I think , have great potential in terms of use in a double appointment . In particular, they have participated in the work on the demarcation of the shelf, which was held in 2011 on the demarcation of the Russian shelf .

    Ships that are actually very innovative, technically extremely complex .
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    Post  TR1 Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:48 pm

    http://s020.radikal.ru/i716/1403/71/d00409491030.jpg
    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=378366&download=2&type=.jpg

    The beast.
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    Post  TR1 Thu May 29, 2014 9:08 pm

    4th Yasen will be laid down same day as the 5th Boreii, during Navy Day in July.
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    Post  George1 Fri May 30, 2014 9:43 am

    Fourth Yasen nuclear submarine to join ranks of Russian Navy

    The fourth multirole nuclear submarine of the upgraded Project 885M (code name: Yasen) will be laid down at the Sevmash shipyard (Severodvinsk) on July 19, a source in the shipbuilding industry told Interfax-AVN on Thursday. "This will already be the fourth consecutive nuclear submarine codenamed Yasen and the third consecutive upgraded ship of Project 885M to be laid down at Sevmash. It will be laid down along with the fifth Borei, Knyaz Oleg," the source said.

    He recalled that the Project 885 Yasen head multirole fourth-generation nuclear submarine named Severodvinsk designed by the St. Petersburg-based Malakhit Design Bureau was floated on June 15, 2010. Sevmash is to build seven Yasen submarines for the Navy before 2020, six of them under the upgraded Project 885M, starting from Kazan which was laid down in June 2009.

    The Novosibirsk nuclear submarine was laid down on July 26, 2013. According to open sources, the Malakhit-designed Yasen submarines are double-hulled single-shaft ships. For the first time in the history of domestic ship-building torpedo tubes were placed not in the submarine's bow but behind the control post section, thus making it possible to put a hydroacoustic antenna in the fore end. Eight vertical launchers are used for missile weapons. The armament complex includes supersonic cruise missiles, universal deepwater self-propelled torpedoes and mines.

    Yasens are fitted with a completely new nuclear propulsion unit. The ships' displacement is estimated at 9,500 tones, length 120 meters, test depth 600 meters. Full speed (submerged): 31 knots approximately 57 kilometers per hour). Crew: 85 members.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_29/Fourth-Yasen-nuclear-submarine-to-join-ranks-of-Russian-Navy-1535/
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    Post  Viktor Fri May 30, 2014 12:46 pm

    Nice ... everything according to schedule  thumbsup 

    Fourth class nuclear submarine "Ash" will be called "Krasnoyarsk"
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    Post  TR1 Fri May 30, 2014 10:26 pm

    A schedule that has been revised like 10 times, but let's ignore that Wink .
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    Post  gaurav Sat May 31, 2014 7:34 pm


    Voiceof Russia article
    Eight vertical launchers are used for missile weapons.

    I have questions to people on this thread ..
    The news is saying that only 8 vertical launchers are available in Pr 885M.
    How is this possible..?   confused 

    In borei class submarines it is 16 launchers for Bulava icbm..

    But here for cruise missiles there are 8 vertical launchers.. Am I missing something here..  Question
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    Post  navyfield Sat May 31, 2014 7:58 pm

    well its USSR late 80s early 90s design.
    Yassen is inferior design ,even some akulas are better.
    if yassen is to replace even antei class ,then it should have at least 24 tubes for 1/1 replacement ,even if 3 ton onyx is slightly inferior to 7t granit in performance.
    instead its 1/3.
     anti-ship capability from subs is in serious trouble in Ru navy.
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    Post  TR1 Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:52 am

    The Yasen has 32 vertical tubes. This is well known.
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    Post  gaurav Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:06 am

    TR1 wrote:
    The Yasen has 32 vertical tubes. This is well known.
     

    Hi TR1 and or people on this thread..
    one request..

    can yu provide me a link (Eng/rus) any link in which


    a) the total no of launchers in 885/885M is confirmed.. or stated..

    b) and or difference between 885 and 885M in launchers provided

    I think these details will not emrge until a single boat(pr 885 severdvnk) is accepted into service
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    Post  TR1 Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:48 am

    No it is already well known, even with 885 (not 885M). We have seen photos that outline the hatches on the boat (8 of them) and we have seen the missiles tubes in construction (4 of them per hatch).

    The only question was, how many tubes per hatch, originally we thought 24, but with 4 tube launchers, the total is 32. Have not read anything about tube differences between 885 and 885M.

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    The tubes.

    http://f-lite.ru/lfp/s006.radikal.ru/i215/1208/e3/c7b21ba96832.jpg/htm

    Warning, huge photo. Look closely, you can see the outline of 4 hatches, on each side.
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    Post  gaurav Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:01 am

    Gotcha.. thks.. Very Happy
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:33 pm

    TR1 wrote:

    http://f-lite.ru/lfp/s006.radikal.ru/i215/1208/e3/c7b21ba96832.jpg/htm

    Warning, huge photo. Look closely, you can see the outline of 4 hatches, on each side.

    yes i can see those shutters. Nice photo.

    Hmm BTW what reactor power the Yasen ? I read somewhere that this sub will be powered with 4th gen reactor, which would mean it can be either :
    -Supercritical water reactor
    -High temperature gas cooled reactor
    -Lead Bismuth cooled reactor

    Or perhaps Yasen will still use the OK-650 family that power most of Russian subs around today ?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:21 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    http://f-lite.ru/lfp/s006.radikal.ru/i215/1208/e3/c7b21ba96832.jpg/htm

    Warning, huge photo. Look closely, you can see the outline of 4 hatches, on each side.

    yes i can see those shutters. Nice photo.

    Hmm BTW what reactor power the Yasen ? I read somewhere that this sub will be powered with 4th gen reactor, which would mean it can be either :
    -Supercritical water reactor
    -High temperature gas cooled reactor
    -Lead Bismuth cooled reactor

    Or perhaps Yasen will still use the OK-650 family that power most of Russian subs around today ?

    They should go even further and create a LFTR molten salt reactor because they scale significantly better than Uranium reactors, they're far safer (no worries of hydrogen explosions), they create far less nuclear waste (1/100th the waster of uranium reactors), the waste heat from the LFTR reactors could potentially be used to desalinate sea water, and give Russian subs less constraint to store clean fresh water, they're exponentially more fuel efficient and thorium is dirt cheap.
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    Post  navyfield Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:37 pm

    TR1 wrote:No it is already well known, even with 885 (not 885M). We have seen photos that outline the hatches on the boat (8 of them) and we have seen the missiles tubes in construction (4 of them per hatch).

    The only question was, how many tubes per hatch, originally we thought 24, but with 4 tube launchers, the total is 32. Have not read anything about tube differences between 885 and 885M.

    Project 885: Yasen class - Page 12 Attachment.php?item=361466&download=2&type=
    The tubes.

    http://f-lite.ru/lfp/s006.radikal.ru/i215/1208/e3/c7b21ba96832.jpg/htm

    Warning, huge photo. Look closely, you can see the outline of 4 hatches, on each side.

    that picture is from new medium range sam vytaz. 4 vertical tubes like in s-300.
    so it does carry 32 onyx for example ,very good.
    why the missiles werent installed into the enlarged sail?
    anyway can you circle on that picture exact hatches?
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:51 am

    That report is about Vityaz, but that screen-grab is from them touring the factory- and they happened to show the naval system.
    There are NO land based systems that use a tube system like that (one big tube with 4 cells within).

    Project 885: Yasen class - Page 12 T6dkxz

    COmpare those red lines to the high res pic- you can clearly see the hatches. They are visible on other photos as well, though this one is higher res.
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    Post  dionis Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:48 am

    navyfield wrote:well its USSR late 80s early 90s design.
    Yassen is inferior design ,even some akulas are better.
    if yassen is to replace even antei class ,then it should have at least 24 tubes for 1/1 replacement ,even if 3 ton onyx is slightly inferior to 7t granit in performance.
    instead its 1/3.
     anti-ship capability from subs is in serious trouble in Ru navy.

    This reminds me of some wise-ass on DefenseTalk forums from many years ago... an Aussie "defense expert with classified sources."  Rolling Eyes  It was one of the best laughs I had in a while....

    Guy claimed that Severodvinsk looked so poorly put together that it was a danger to any sailors on board .. and would basically sink sooner rather than later.

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    Post  Viktor Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:12 am

    Finally  thumbsup 

    Headache submarine project "Ash" will defend the northern frontiers of Russia
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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:02 pm

    Viktor wrote:Finally  thumbsup 
    nice, another arctic beast.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:13 pm

    Great commander !  thumbsup 


    Russia is currently building two additional Yasen-class submarines, with a third one scheduled to be laid down next month and three more contracted for 2015. The Navy says additional acquisitions are planned.

    “We will build as many as we need to defend our motherland,” Admiral Chirkov said.




    Design works for the future successor to Yasen class are underway, the Navy commander stressed at the ceremony.

    “The harsh laws and rules of shipbuilding do not allow any pauses in designing new generations of submarines,” he said, adding that future Russian submarines are expected to have advanced drones among its armaments.



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    Post  collegeboy16 Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:47 pm

    Good, good. the current Yasen is a beast- give it Zircon and it becomes a monster.
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    Post  zg18 Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:22 pm

    Photos from handing ceremony : http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/302435.html

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