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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:57 pm

    Interesting comment, not sure if correct, on where Ukraine is able to buy gas from when it is not spending its own money.

    "Naftogaz of Ukraine" is no longer an independent organization and is not able to buy cheaper gas. This was stated at a press conference in Kiev by the co-chair of the Energy Strategies Foundation Dmytro Marunich. The expert is sure that soon Ukraine will resume gas imports as current stocks for the winter are not enough. At the same time, Ukraine buys cheap gas provided by Russia.

    Marunych stressed that Naftogaz cannot buy gas wherever it wants. The reason is that they "obtained a loan from the EBRD in the last year, and received the money conditionally. This is the second promise of the International Finance Corporation, which cumulatively, adds up to about 500 million dollars. But there is a condition: buy gas only in reverse. Therefore, even if a different supplier (Gazprom or whoever) suggested that gas is cheaper, buying it would be simply impossible".

    The expert explained the origins of the situation. Now, given the state of the economy, the decisions of the current Kiev authorities are "dictated from you know where". The company "Naftogaz" can no longer make its own decisions. "We will buy gas as indicated by Western creditors, even if the price is higher."


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/ukraine-forbidden-from-buying-cheaper.html
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    Post  franco Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:08 pm

    Not sure how credible this is or their source but this article claims Nuland was threatening war in Kaliningrad meeting...

    http://news-front.info/2016/01/17/nuland-predupredila-surkova-o-neminuemom-napadenii-nato-agoravox-franciya/
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:23 pm

    It didnt make sense.  But I bet they would have laughed in her face, cause I know I would have.  Since she claims Russia didnt hold its end of the bargin when everyone including her knows they were the ones who didnt as it was the PUkrainians at the contact line.

    As someone said - let the war start. As anyone who seems to know a bit about military history, will k.ow US cant fight worth shit againstan enemy that is close to or on par in tech and capabilities.  Tactical nukes will vaporize their formations and they know their own men wont die for Ukraine.  A big bluff that probably didnt happen or was thrown in her face.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:45 pm

    Quite a different analysis of the Kaliningrad meeting and the pressures on Kiev. Taken from VT, J Hawk is the ex Fortrus translator.

    Original by Mikhail Onufrienko published by Federalnoye Agentstvo Politicheskikh Novostey; translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    The first paper to report the rumored meeting between Vladislav Surkov and Victoria Nuland was the Alisher Usmanov group-owned Kommersant newspaper which cited “informed sources.” This news was instantly picked up by Kiev-controlled media. The main question being: what does that mean?

    In the second half of the day it became known that the working meeting between Presidential Assistant Vladislav Surkov and Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland took place in a presidential administration building in the city of Pionerskiy near Kaliningrad. These details were made known by Russian MFA representative in Kaliningrad, Pavel Mamontov.

    “We can confirm the meeting had begun,” TASS cites Mamontov.

    We know that last year Nuland met several times with the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Grigoriy Karasin who is responsible for Ukrainian affairs. We also know that Surkov is the main coordinator of Russian policy toward the unrecognized republics. The meeting took place behind closed doors and no announcement as to why the meeting took place and, especially, about its results, will not be made. There will be only generic phrases on future implementation of Minsk Agreements and “normalizing the situation in Ukraine.”

    Expectations

    The goal here is clear enough. Kiev junta’s media panic is wholly appropriate. As well as junta’s panic. The Poroshenko regime is gravely concerned that Washington and Moscow come together–but not with Moscow coming around to the point of view of Washington, which from the start was skeptical about Minsk (since we weren’t invited, nothing will come of it).

    Donbass understands that too. “We have no specific expectations toward that meeting. The US will not influence Ukraine’s implementation of Minsk Agreeements,” Vladislav Deynego, LPR representative at Minsk negotiations told Interfax.

    Nuland’s words support that interpretation. Today, before flying out to meet Surkov, she said in an interview by BNS:

    “The first challenge is to stop killing of people so that we can start working on other parts of Minsk Agreements, including the political resolution, genuine elections in accordance with Ukrainian legislation which correspond to OSCE standards, the withdrawal of foreign military equipment and restoring border control.”

    Minsk Agreements

    Nuland said that non-fulfillment of Minsk would mean freezing the Donbass conflict, which means a constant danger of a new war.

    “We all ought to work to realize Minsk, otherwise we will have a frozen conflict or, worse, a constant threat to Ukraine and ourselves,” Nuland said.

    These general phrases conceal a mortal threat not simply to Poroshenko’s regime but the whole junta which relies on armed force and the ideology of Banderite nazism. The junta does not need peace. Especially peace in which Lugansk and Donetsk are not only part of Ukraine where they enjoy enormous autonomies, but also contain millions of voters who hate oligarchs who supported the armed coup and the Banderites who have been trying to break the people of the Donbass for the last two years.

    Losing the Throne

    Theh short life of the formally independent Ukraine has shown that the openly Russophobic forces could come to power only through force. In 2004, Yushchenko managed to ascend the throne thanks to the first (luckily bloodless) Maidan. At that time, the regionals under Yanukovych’s leadership simply ignored the protests from the Russian part of Ukraine in exchange for ability to participate in the government. Naturally, even when he was Yushchenko’s PM, Yanukovych pursued the regime’s pro-Western policies.

    Its results were pathetic. By 2010, Yushchenko’s popularity was near zero, and he was able to win only 5% of the vote in spite of his “incumbent’s advantage.”

    Shock and Awe

    The second Maidan was intended from the start to be bloody, with a civil war to follow. In order to keep the country under control using force. So far they’ve managed. But implementing Minsk means the betrayal of junta supporters’ Russophobic ideals, the seneselessness of all sacrifices and deaths, the end of the hope to become part of the EU. For the opponents of the Banderite regime, a transition to peacetime means the ability to resume peaceful protests, to vote for leaders of their choosing who are currently in exile, who are fighting against the regime on the Donbass, or sit in prison. If genuine peace breaks out, any Russophobic regime in Ukraine which contains the rebellious Donbass is doomed.

    Hence the interest with which Ukraine’s media await the results. Particularly since only three days earlier Poroshenko met in Kiev with Russia’s representative to the trilateral contact group Boris Gryzlov. While Poroshenko denied the meeting, it’s obvious that Russia is continuing its active political pressure on Kiev. Which is successful, as evidenced by Biden’s visit a month ago, when his speech before the Rada caused genuine “shock and awe” among the junta’s leadership.

    Biden cited the US Civil War as an example. And said that the US example, its federal system, should be a lesson and an example to Ukraine. After that the junta-controlled media long tried to explain that Obama’s special emissary was “incorrectly understood.”

    No, he was understood just fine. No matter how you call the maximum possible regional autonomy, the point is clear–the US took the “separatists” side, from Odessa to Kharkov, who have demanded autonomy since the first day of the coup that brought Kiev under the Banderite neo-nazi control.

    To shoot oneself or suffer some more

    The Surkov-Nuland meeting should bring the two countries which determine Ukraine’s destiny closer. Naturally, there will be other meetings, the process will be long and difficult, and lethal for many in Ukraine. It’s clear that Kiev has a choice to either shoot itself in the head or suffer a bit longer.

    The Surkov-Nuland meeting is also interesting in that it answers two other questions. The Kiev junta media frequently accused Surkov of the crimes on the Maidan, of lobbying Russia’s interests in Kiev, and of directing the DPR and LPR internal politics. Nuland was always his polar opposite. It is she who arrived on the Maidan while the armed coup was being prepared in order to support the militants with the now-infamous cookies.

    The fact that these two people were selected suggests the gap between Russia and US is closing.

    The Immortal Surkov

    The fact of Surkov’s participation indicates that “the rumors of his (political) death were somewhat exaggerated.” Yes, after the whole series of events in Moscow, Donetsk, and Lugansk last fall it became clear that Surkov is hardly the “power behind the throne” in DPR and LPR who does whatever he wants. That myth collapsed together with the “Surkov’s propaganda” fairy tales.

    Surkov is the same individual he has been since the late 1990s: an effective manager of the highest caliber who is at his best under extreme pressure when the situation demands non-standard and adventurous decisions that sometimes skirt the line. He never defined, does not define, and will not define the aim which he is pursuing. He is a precision-guided missile which strikes the assigned target. And which decides how to maneuver, how to avoid interception, on the way to target. No more and no less.

    What target he was assigned this time is already more or less clear. It’s what Putin said on many occasions: “preserving a friendly, brotherly, unified Ukraine.” How Surkov approaches that target will soon become clear. But we can be absolutely certain that the rulers in Kiev will not like it at all.


    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/the-surkov-nuland-meeting-and-the-end-of-the-junta/
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:30 pm


    I know we had some good laughs with this guy before but this one is on the whole new level. Saakashvili truly is a scientific phenomenon... lol1  

    Odessa Gov. Saakashvili Publishes Positions of Kiev Forces in Donbass

    Mikheil Saakashvili, the Governor of Ukraine's Odessa region, published a video online showing a map with checkpoints and the positions of Kiev forces in the conflict-torn east of the country, local media reported Tuesday.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160119/1033350433/ukraine-odessa-region-forces-donbass.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – According to the Ukrainian TV channel TSN, Saakashvili filmed the video during his visit to the military operation zone in eastern Donbass.

    Saakashvili published the video on his Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/SaakashviliMikheil/videos/1103119776385069/

    The footage demonstrates a secret observation post, a strategical map with commander's comments and faces of Ukrainian soldiers.

    Saakashvili's actions have been labeled as sabotage by the Ukrainian media.

    Kiev authorities launched a military operation against pro-independence militias in Ukraine’s eastern Donbass region in April 2014. The confrontation has claimed over 9,000 lives so far, according to UN estimates.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:12 pm

    They didn't really think that the EU would allow unlimited Ukrainian imports did they?

    After choosing the EU over Russia for free trade, Ukraine's top chicken farmer and former Poroshenko aide found that new EU trade quotas prevent the expansion of Ukraine's economy. The European Union's free trade agreement with Ukraine turned out to be a "defrauding of Ukraine," according to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's associate agriculture tycoon Yuriy Kosyuk.

    In an interview to US government broadcaster Voice of America's Ukrainian service, Kosyuk said that the new free trade agreement will not help his company, as its import quota for chicken is a mere fraction of his company's production.

    Nicknamed Ukraine's "chicken oligarch," Kosyuk controls nearly two thirds of Ukraine's chicken production and is an advisor to Poroshenko. Until December 2014, he was the deputy head of Poroshenko's administration. "Europe talks of the Free Trade Area with Ukraine, and at the same time a load of exceptions and limitations is signed for export of Ukrainian goods. Because of this, the free trade area is only one-way, into Ukraine," Kosyuk told Voice of America.

    The EU's quotas for Ukrainian chicken meat amount to 16,000 tonnes per year, around 1.3 percent of Ukraine's total production. Kosyuk said that his business exports 250,000 tonnes of chicken meat every year.
    (my note, Russia is self sufficient in chicken so is not one of Kosyuk's markets)

    ----------------------------

    The agricultural tycoon also said that he remains pessimistic about Ukraine's economic recovery. "There will be no economic growth, it is a lie. I think that the economy will decline this year. We see the attitudes in business, why would there be growth? There are several economic drivers. The internal consumer, when consuming, can move the economy upwards. But the internal consumer is becoming poorer and has less and less money. The second driver is external markets, but they have remained the way they have been. The third driver is foreign investment. But foreign investment will not come to Ukraine in the short term," Kosyuk said.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160119/1033379443/ukraine-eu-trade-duped.html#ixzz3xhfPLWx0

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:21 pm

    I am sure that this is nothing to do with Germany increasingly wanting the sanctions lifted so it can get back to trading with Russia.

    BERLIN (Sputnik) – The Minsk agreement on the Ukrainian crisis cannot be realized because there is no law on the country’s elections, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said Tuesday. “The thing that’s blocking things is…that is what can help us is the creation of a new legitimacy in eastern Ukraine that would be possible by holding elections, and for that we need a law on elections that has been discussed for six weeks already within the frameworks of the Contact Group, and we are trying to agree this policy within the realms of the subgroups,” Steinmeier said.

    “If we can get a law on elections and elections themselves…, then the likelihood of a long-term settlement will arise,” Steinmeier added.

    Contacts between Russia and the United States on the Ukrainian crisis would be welcomed if they bring a settlement to the issue in eastern Ukraine, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said. “I welcome anything that would lead to settling the conflict,” Steinmeier said in response to Russian Presidential Aide Vladislav Surkov and US Undersecretary Victoria Nuland’s meeting in Kaliningrad.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160119/1033356972/election-law-ukraine-minsk-progress.html#ixzz3xhhf4J72
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:33 pm

    OK, so its time for Russia to put up or shut up, basically says the ICAO.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) can only begin assessment of Ukraine’s alleged violations of its laws by not shutting its airspace during the conflict between the southeastern militias and Kiev forces, which led to the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, once one of ICAO member states makes an official request, the ICAO communications chief told Sputnik.

    Last week, Russia's civil aviation regulator Rosaviatsia posted a letter sent by its deputy head Oleg Storchevoy to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB), pointing at some unsubstantiated and inaccurate data in the Dutch investigative report on the crash. Storchevoy also stated Ukraine violated the requirements the Convention on International Civil Aviation as well as ICAO legislation.

    "ICAO could only begin to consider such an assessment [by Storchevoy] if one of our Member States officially requested the Organization to do so. To date, no such request has been received," Anthony Philbin said.

    In his letter, Storchevoy reminded that Annex 17 to the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, as well as ICAO document 9554, require that states keep the level of threat to civil aviation within their territory under constant review.

    Ukraine’s responsibility over not closing down its airspace is downplayed in the final DSB report, Storchevoy noted, adding that the information on real threats to the safety of civil flights arising from the military activities in the country’s east was either distorted or concealed.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160119/1033347978/icao-request-kiev-airspace-mh17.html#ixzz3xhklN9DI
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:16 pm

    Pray tell but "put up or shut up" demand for Russia on what? Article says nothing other than points that make sense - why didnt Ukraine close the airspace? How is the burden on Russia then? Sounds like ICAO is simplu trying to pass the hot potatoe here in hopes to get the heat off them.  Jokers and murderer accomplices they are.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Pray tell but "put up or shut up" demand for Russia on what? Article says nothing other than points that make sense - why didnt Ukraine close the airspace? How is the burden on Russia then? Sounds like ICAO is simplu trying to pass the hot potatoe here in hopes to get the heat off them.  Jokers and murderer accomplices they are.
    The ICAO are a bunch of bureaucrats in Montreal responsible to implementing various Agreements on international air travel. As the article says, they says that they can't initiate an investigation but respond to a member asking for one. Presumably that is within its rules, which would be applied to the letter in a situation like this, which is not in the West's interests.

    As I can't see the US or Holland/Australia or definitely Ukraine asking, it is down to Russia or remotely Malaysia, hence my comment. Afterall, Russia started this particular hare running with the comments in the letter last week. We will see now if ICAO is successful in calling Russia's bluff or if Russia actually wants to stick the knife into Kiev.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I know we had some good laughs with this guy before but this one is on the whole new level. Saakashvili truly is a scientific phenomenon... lol1  

    Odessa Gov. Saakashvili Publishes Positions of Kiev Forces in Donbass

    Mikheil Saakashvili, the Governor of Ukraine's Odessa region, published a video online showing a map with checkpoints and the positions of Kiev forces in the conflict-torn east of the country, local media reported Tuesday.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160119/1033350433/ukraine-odessa-region-forces-donbass.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – According to the Ukrainian TV channel TSN, Saakashvili filmed the video during his visit to the military operation zone in eastern Donbass.

    Saakashvili published the video on his Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/SaakashviliMikheil/videos/1103119776385069/

    The footage demonstrates a secret observation post, a strategical map with commander's comments and faces of Ukrainian soldiers.

    Saakashvili's actions have been labeled as sabotage by the Ukrainian media.

    Kiev authorities launched a military operation against pro-independence militias in Ukraine’s eastern Donbass region in April 2014. The confrontation has claimed over 9,000 lives so far, according to UN estimates.
    Looks like BS to me. Isn't that a map of the area around Odessa that they are talking about at the end of the video?
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:32 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I know we had some good laughs with this guy before but this one is on the whole new level. Saakashvili truly is a scientific phenomenon... lol1  

    Odessa Gov. Saakashvili Publishes Positions of Kiev Forces in Donbass

    Mikheil Saakashvili, the Governor of Ukraine's Odessa region, published a video online showing a map with checkpoints and the positions of Kiev forces in the conflict-torn east of the country, local media reported Tuesday.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160119/1033350433/ukraine-odessa-region-forces-donbass.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – According to the Ukrainian TV channel TSN, Saakashvili filmed the video during his visit to the military operation zone in eastern Donbass.

    Saakashvili published the video on his Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/SaakashviliMikheil/videos/1103119776385069/

    The footage demonstrates a secret observation post, a strategical map with commander's comments and faces of Ukrainian soldiers.

    Saakashvili's actions have been labeled as sabotage by the Ukrainian media.

    Kiev authorities launched a military operation against pro-independence militias in Ukraine’s eastern Donbass region in April 2014. The confrontation has claimed over 9,000 lives so far, according to UN estimates.
    Looks like BS to me. Isn't that a map of the area around Odessa that they are talking about at the end of the video?

    What it does show, imho, is how poor the conditions of the soldiers is. I would have thought with all the money being pumped into Ukraine and the military, conditions would be better. Altho, they do look better than in the pitiful beginning.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:38 am

    Has this been posted?



    Health | Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:32am EST
    Related: World, Health
    Ukrainian health official says 25 people killed by swine flu
    KIEV

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-flu-idUSKCN0US1BO20160114

    Twenty-five people have died from swine flu in Ukraine since the start of the flu season, Tetyana Dykhanovska, the director of the state flu center, told Reuters by phone on Thursday.

    She did not say when exactly the season started.

    On Wednesday, Health Minister Alexander Kvitashvili said the flu outbreak was not yet widespread enough to be considered an epidemic. Armenia also reported a swine flu outbreak this week.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:44 am

    Kyiv declares quarantine over swine flu
    Jan 15

    http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/kyiv-declares-quarantine-over-swine-flu-406002.html

    Newsweek says More than 50 persons have died in Ukraine.

    More than 12 people have died from swine flu-related illnesses in Russia, according to the state news agency. Deaths from the disease, which caused a global pandemic in 2009, have also been reported in Ukraine, Armenia and Iran.

    http://www.newsweek.com/swine-flu-kills-12-russia-417370

    Dozens Killed By Deadly Swine Flu Virus In Ukraine

    http://www.rferl.org/content/dozens-killed-deadly-swine-flu-virus-ukraine/27486815.html

    The areas worst hit include Kyiv, Kharkiv, Vinnytsia, and Odesa, lawmaker Irina Sysoyenko wrote on her Facebook page. She said 28 people have died from flu in Odesa and 25 in Vinnytsya.

    “As of today, 5.7 percent of the population is ill with the flu,” Sysoyenko wrote. “Of these, 70 percent are children and pregnant women."

    According to the Health Ministry, only 0.3 percent of Ukraine's population received flu vaccines.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:31 am

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/850630

    Ukraine refuses to pay gazprom bill.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:09 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/economy/850630

    Ukraine refuses to pay gazprom bill.

    That means, probably, EU will no longer provide money for Kyiv to pay.

    Endgame.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:22 am

    If GG Translate is right, then, basically the ***hole in Kyiv said that they will not provide assistance to Donbass citizens in the warzone.

    I strongly suggest that Porkie et al. should recognize Donbass's independence immediately and forever.  Clearly,they are unable to feed the population so they have no right to rule over them.

    http://nbnews.com.ua/ru/news/170990/

    Украина не будет выделять помощь жителям Донбасса в зоне АТО

    «Кабинет министров Украины отменил свое распоряжение о выделении помощи жителям Донбасса, которые проживают в зоне проведения антитеррористической операции. Об этом говорится в распоряжении правительства №11 от 13 января, обнародованном в понедельник, 18 января, на сайте правительства.»

    «Признать таким, что общество потеряло силу, распоряжение Кабинета Министров Украины от 11 ноября 2015 г. № 1156 «Об оказании помощи населению, которое проживает в районах проведения антитеррористической операции в Донецкой и Луганской областях», – говорится в сообщении.

    Отметим, для финансирования было предусмотрено 49,5 млн грн из которых жителям Донецкой области предназначалось 28 млн грн и Луганской – 21,4 млн грн. Финансирование этих расходов планировалось осуществить из средств резервного фонда госбюджета.

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    Post  zg18 Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:34 pm

    Priorities....

    Riot police in Kiev during anti-gov protests

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    Army conscripts in Donbass

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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:20 pm

    zg18 wrote:Priorities....

    Riot police in Kiev during anti-gov protests

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    VS

    Army conscripts in Donbass

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    I mean let's take a look from their perspective.

    On one hand you have your military who is fighting an encouraged foe, and every time your military even starts to win some fights, some vacationers come in and completely destroy your military. But you have to keep up the fight to make sure your country won't implode. So of course you are going to do a half-assed job of supporting your military.

    On the other hand, your own country is falling apart and your own people are finally starting to realize that they are worse up than before. No matter how much you try to downplay it or pass your problems on somebody else, no one is buying it. Your people put you in power through a revolution and they know they can do it again if they wanted to.

    On a unrelated note, it looks like government is probably trying to shed the image of Berkut. I wonder if there is a Maidan 3.0 will the riot police have to get new gear once again.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:37 am

    Someone quick photoshop a McDonalds™ arch over the wolfsangel lol:

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:25 am

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    My fast done gimp work.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:56 am

    The Yankistani-Banderite whore Jaresko has gone full retard... again....

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-ukraine-crimea-idUSKCN0UY2HG

    What is it with these in-breds? Has flogging a dead horse become the national sport of Ukropistan?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:58 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #23 - Page 19 CNuibt-W8AARMhG

    Reminds me of a old football song/taunt...

    "Whose eaten all the pies? You fat bastard, you fat bastard...."

    Repeat until the offender gets up and leaves...
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:01 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:The Yankistani-Banderite whore Jaresko has gone full retard... again....

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-ukraine-crimea-idUSKCN0UY2HG

    What is it with these in-breds?  Has flogging a dead horse become the national sport of Ukropistan?

    They can try, but it will be wasted effort and money. The Crimeans don't want to go back and they will definitely make sure that wont happen.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:10 pm

    Couple of Poro comments out of Davos via Interfax this morning. I bet that 'full support of US' is a bit uncomfortable on the 'roadmap of constitutional amendments'.


    Ukraine and the United States share an opinion that there is no alternative to the Minsk process in settling the situation in Donbas, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said. "We have totally agreed that there is no alternative to the Minsk process. We are enjoying full support of the United States regarding the complete implementation of the Minsk process, which includes a security dimension," Poroshenko told reporters after four-hour negotiations with the U.S. delegation in Davos.



    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and U.S. Vice-President Joseph Biden have discussed a 'roadmap' of constitutional amendments in Ukraine at their negotiations in Davos. "We have had a separate discussion of the 'roadmap' of constitutional amendments," Poroshenko said early on Thursday morning, after negotiations with Biden. According to the president, the sides coordinated their efforts to boost the political process, including the elaboration of modalities of the Donbas elections, "in line with Ukrainian laws and with the broad participation of international observers."

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