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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  Khepesh on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:54 am

    Alexei Fominov, who had been the commander of Lugansk militia brigade "Odessa", has written that the assasination of Pavel Dremov was internal to LNR, not ukrops DRG. He does not say who is responsible, nobody in a position of being at risk from reprisals or legal action does directly. http://zavtra.ru/content/view/vopros-v-lob-64/

    Remember that "Odessa" was disbanded by force last January and Fominov arrested. He was released in Oktober with no charges ever being laid on him, not least because the actions carried out in January against him and "Odessa" were all shit. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1980728.html
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:57 am

    SturmGuard wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    SturmGuard wrote:Does anyone else here remember those stories from the end of July/beginning of August of those pairs and trios of UkrOp survivors speaking of Russian "T-90s" and "Spetsnaz" obliteratig their platoons? Well, it seems that they weren't bullshiting, in the north around Lugansk there actually were T-90s while the south got "only" advanced T-72s. I was always sceptical of the claims that artillery alone can destroy so many AFVs (which was the prevalent theory back then).

    Most of the units that were ID'd in Luhansk by InforNapalm were bog standarts MRB's. There was no OMGWTFBBQ spetsnaz. Actually the Spets were active in the south (even caught by Channel 4). There's the guard platoon with our now famous Dagestani Mikhail Wittmanski. Also I doubt they had the chance to see T90's with their eyes.  Those who were mopped up were killed in their arse.

    Also a bigh chunk of tanks in this war was artied out to death. Izvarino Luhansk carnage is the exception, not the norm.

    Just wanted to say that I didn't genuinely claim that there were actual Spetsnaz personnel in action, just that UkrOps were trashed by someone who was in their eyes "Spetsnaz level", far better than they were.

    Their performance was terrible and played a great part in the success of the relatively few regular forces sent to tip the balance.

    The point of my post was to emphasise how powerful an impact did only several actual Russian tanks (obviously well crewed) leave across the entire front. We know that they weren't numerous yet their effect was significant. Both battlefield damage inflicted and morale impact due to rumours. If they reported that Russian tanks and artillery were present where UkrOp were supposed to go fighting, it must have made them feel uneasy, going into certain defeat.

    Yeah I was a little anal about it, sorry.

    There actually were Spets on the field, just the Ukropians never saw them (as it is supposed to happen). I agree that indeed the Russians put in people who knew their thang. And this should serve as a reminder on how effective good troops can be even when thrown out head first. And the morale leverage is also a big plus/minus depending on your side.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:00 am

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:44 pm

    @Papa Dragon: now they did it.

    https://www.rt.com/business/326409-ukraine-defaults-russian-debt/

    Ukraine defaults on $3bn Eurobond to Russia

    Ukraine has imposed a moratorium on the $3 billion Russian debt repayment, said the country’s Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk at a cabinet meeting on Friday. The announcement comes ahead of the December 20 deadline for the debt repayment.

    "Considering that Russia has refused, despite our efforts, to sign an agreement on restructuring and to accept our proposals, the cabinet is imposing a moratorium on payment of the Russian debt worth $3 billion," said Yatsenyuk.

    The payment is halted "until we make restructuring proposals or a relevant court decision is made," added the Prime Minister.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:06 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Odin, this one is for you  Razz

    Ukraine says it can't pay off debt to Russia

    http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-cant-pay-off-134628729.html

    No money, no gas. Twisted Evil

    And? Ukraine has other options.
    It is gifted gas from Europe or can once again steal transit gas.
    The Norks of Europe can afford being irresponsible.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:35 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Odin, this one is for you  Razz

    Ukraine says it can't pay off debt to Russia

    http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-cant-pay-off-134628729.html

    No money, no gas. Twisted Evil

    And? Ukraine has other options.
    It is gifted gas from Europe or can once again steal transit gas.
    The Norks of Europe can afford being irresponsible.
    Gas supply will almost certainly not be affected as it has only been supplied on a pre-payment basis which Russia will be happy to continue.

    This debt and now its recovery via the High Court in London is a totally separate affair and, given Russia's total commitment to international law and its honouring of its contracts, it is likely to remain so. Russia will not want anyone to cast aspersions on its good name on this issue and will want a clean, non political, run through the Commercial Court.

    A bit of background for you

    The Commercial Court developed as a consequence of what might be regarded as the 'first age of globalisation', reflecting Britain's position in international commerce, shipping and insurance. As Lord Denning put it: 'No-one who comes to these courts asking for justice should come in vain. This right to come here is not confined to Englishmen. It extends to any friendly foreigner. He can seek the aid of our courts if he desires to do so. You may call this "forum shopping" if you please, but if the forum is England, it is a good place to shop in, both for the quality of the goods and the speed of service' (The Atlantic Star [1973]).

    Statistics provided by the Commercial Court up until August of this year show that just over 48% of Commercial Court claims involve only parties based outside of England and Wales. While, as a percentage, this is equivalent to statistics from (the financial year) 2012/13, it looks like the sheer number of claims is on the rise (1,190 claims in total last year, compared with 1,102 this year to date). The reasons for those parties 'shopping' here are well rehearsed. Of course, there are the well-respected virtues of the law itself: a longstanding tradition of certainty, and of freedom of contract, based upon a system of binding precedent. But ultimately the appeal of the Commercial Court, as with any jurisdiction, lies in its procedural effectiveness, fairness and incorruptibility. The courts have continued to benefit in the last 15 years from reform to ensure the sound management of dispute resolution, in particular as regards time and cost efficiency, and expertise. In this latest phase of globalisation, distinguished by the commercial muscle of parties based in jurisdictions with less developed court systems, the English Commercial Court is an obvious choice. After Americans, the most significant 'friendly foreigners' (to use Lord Denning's phrase) are now Russian and Kazakh, together with parties from the most popular jurisdiction for joint venture special purpose vehicles, the British Virgin Islands.


    http://www.legalbusiness.co.uk/index.php/disputes-yearbook-2014/market-view/2922-what-s-in-store-for-london-s-commercial-court
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    Post  auslander on Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:16 pm

    Until midnight 20 December, and actually until the end of the ten day 'grace period', nothing is certain. If by midnight 30 December there is no payment, then yes, Ukropov are in default.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:50 pm

    auslander wrote:Until midnight 20 December, and actually until the end of the ten day 'grace period', nothing is certain. If by midnight 30 December there is no payment, then yes, Ukropov are in default.
    You are correct and the papers are likely to be served on the 4th Jan as Kiev has no money to pay it, following the total lack of interest in the Russian 'get your new friends to back it' offer. Even the IMF is not coughing up the $1.8B quarterly payments due last September and this month, giving 'no 2016 budget in place' as the justification. What the real reason might be we do not know but someone clearly wants them to come to heel.

    The Rada really needs to understand exactly what Biden told them last week, understand it from the US view of his words, not the Ukrainian view. As per this excerpt

    So, Joseph Robinet Biden, Jr. has the right to speak:

    "Constitutional reform that includes judicial reform and decentralization does not compromise your sovereignty, it enhances it. It's an important step to building a strong new nation. It is important for Ukrainian European future (here Biden turns away from the room and the following sentence is addressed to someone in the government box). This issue of federalism is a thing that almost prevented our nation from coming into being. (Biden turns again to the audience, making meaningful theatrical pause, looks around the audience's gaze and begins to dictate) Autonomous independent states, the parties to have their own police forces, their determination to have their own education system, to have their own government under a united constitution".

    But what the Ukrainians heard in the translation:

    "Constitutional reform, including reform of the judicial system and decentralization that involves the use of the best European edit – not an abandonment of democratic principles, not an erosion of sovereignty. It is very important for Ukraine's future in Europe, uh, very important. This also happened in our country, and almost... (Sigh, mumbling, pause, the Director of the broadcast switches the camera from Biden to the government box)... similar situation. It is important to have the Autonomous independent States, have their own forces that determine its own educational system, the government in the framework of the United Constitution."

    It is not necessary to know Ukrainian demotic script, to understand what the word "federalism" is not present at all. I think the professional translator who understood what Biden said, was just horrified by the use of the forbidden in Ukraine word and decided to pretend that she had forgotten the English language.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/what-did-joe-biden-really-say-to.html
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:45 pm


    Military UAV manufacturing company from Odessa moved to Sevastopol. So that happened... Cool

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/588495.html












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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Military UAV manufacturing company from Odessa moved to Sevastopol. So that happened... Cool

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/588495.html

    Do you really think that happened?
    The blog author seems to be sceptical.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:30 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Military UAV manufacturing company from Odessa moved to Sevastopol. So that happened... Cool

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/588495.html

    Do you really think that happened?
    The blog author seems to be sceptical.

    Not completely impossible, and all evidence suggests (given the opportunity) Ivchenko-Progress, and Antonov would jump ship and join the Russian side as soon as it could.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:03 pm

    I do not think that his confidence is misplaced.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia will file a lawsuit against Ukraine for failing to pay back a $3 billion loan when 10 days have passed after the deadline, and Kiev has no chance of winning the case, Russian Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak said Friday. "We still believe it would be right to begin proceedings only after the 10-day grace period has passed," Storchak said, adding that Ukraine has "no chance of winning this trial."

    Ukraine owes Russia $3 billion in Eurobonds. The debt was secured by the government of then-President Viktor Yanukovych in late 2013. Moscow has repeatedly stated that Kiev's inability to pay back the debt by December 20 will mean a default. On Tuesday, Ukraine's Finance Minister Natalie Jaresko said that Kiev and Moscow were still in talks, brokered by mediators from Germany, on the issue of the settlement of Ukraine's debt.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151218/1031981692/ukraine-russia-trial.html#ixzz3uhF2G1rY
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:30 pm

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    The Minister of Internal Affairs for the first time publicly discloses that a member of the Right Sector is a suspect in killing of а separatist protester during clashes in Odesa on May 2, 2014. It is not clear if this is the same person who was filmed shooting from a hunting rifle, charged with a murder, but then released from a pre-trial detention. This revelation provides new evidence about key role of the Right Sector in the Odesa massacre. The official investigation still fails to identify suspects in setting the Trade Union building on fire, even though the Right Sector, the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly, which dominated the Right Sector in Odesa and Kharkiv, and the neo-Nazi Misanthropic Division admitted in their public statements and on social media that the fire was set deliberately. Ukrainska pravda reports based on the Avakov interview that this Right Sector member is also among 24 suspects in the burning of the Trade Union building that involved mass casualties. But the original text of his interview in Focus is not available on the site of the magazine to confirm that he made such a statement. The official investigation and the top government leaders previously claimed that the fire was set up by separatists themselves or by Russian agents or that it was not possible to determine who set the deadly fire even thought this moment was captured in a publicly available recording of a live broadcast.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:46 pm

    Excerpt from article of Kiev having to cough up. More at link

    For his part, Alexei Panin, the Deputy General Director of the Russian Center for Political Information, suggested that he wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine was able to find the money at the last minute. "This is one option. The current Ukrainian leadership is copying, more and more, the decision-making model in the United States; we can recall that the Congress of this country has just agreed to raise the debt ceiling, minutes before the deadline."

    "As far as Ukraine's default is concerned (if it occurs), it would serve as a black mark for international investors and creditors. Obviously, the sovereign credit rating of the country in such a case would not allow it to obtain any more loans, except on onerous terms, and under sky-high interest rates. Ukraine's economy is already in a terrible state. Factually, [the default] would threaten to put Ukraine into a pit out of which it would be nearly impossible to climb out of."

    Ultimately, Panin suggests that if Russia takes Ukraine to court, Moscow will win, even if it takes years. Otherwise, "the entire model of global lending will collapse, and no one be willing to allow this to happen for Ukraine's sake. No one is going to jeopardize the trillions of dollars flowing around the world for Kiev." For Ukraine, "Russian credit was the most lenient in its conditions. If Kiev refuses them, it will enter into the field of impartial and uncompromising international agreements, made according to conditions set by others."

    "Ukraine," Panin concludes, "had hoped that agreement with the West would be easier to come by than with Russia. They miscalculated. Already hooked on the 'debt needle', a default would result in the collapse of its sovereign debt rating, and there would be nowhere left to turn for help, apart from the World Bank and the IMF, which dictate their own terms. They have already set the terms for the sale of Ukraine's rich chernozem soil; a program is being prepared for the mass privatization of the remaining profitable state assets. For the population, a default will mean the collapse of the hryvnia, and a sharp decline in living standards."


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151218/1031981493/ukraine-russia-debt-analysis.html#ixzz3uhQpVUzc
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Dremov was murdered by the "odd" people in Lugansk. After the murder of Ishchenko it became obvious about Lugansk, the murders of Bednov and Mozgovoi simply added confirmation. It was said when Mozgovoi was mudered that Dremov will be next and that he needs to become very quiet, or leave LNR. He became quiet, but that was not enough to save him from those who control Lugansk. Anybody who continues to deny the obvious is pissing against the wind.

    Are they trying to bring back Stalin's era there or what. Someone needs to go there and liquidate these murderous rats.

    Not a word on this on Sputnik or other Russian media sources. Gee I'm really surprised. Not.
    Well, I am also not surprised, or by the reactions to this murder by "friends" of the guilty in Lugansk.

    Well the enemy is emulating the Nazis, while our guys are emulating the Soviets.

    Fitting I suppose.

    The main priority though is the fight for survival - against the Nazis. Then later we can deal with these murderers in our midst.

    Stalin visits Lugansk after it was purged from good men.

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    Post  Ispan on Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:03 pm

    What's the real situation in the front? The official reports I suspect underestimate the intensity of the fighting. Just a few mortar rounds here and there does not fit with the rest of the picture.

    http://novorossia.today/ukrainian-fighters-restarted-the-shelling-of-northern-suburb-of-donetsk/

    http://novorossia.today/military-sitrep-of-novorossia-video/


    For example, this is supposed to be a intense fight, but the numbers of shots are very low

    Quote:

    The hostility violated the ceasefire regime for 14 times. Such populated settlements as Octyabr’, Zhovanka, Zaytsevo, Spartak and Shirokaya Balka were subjected to fire. And the Donetsk airport was shelled.

    More than 10 shells of 122 mm caliber, 20 tank salvos, 27 mines of 120 and 82 mm caliber and more than 80 shelled from infantry combat vehicle were launched at the territory of the DPR.


    - They make it sound that the troops on both sides are just staring at each other and firing the occasional shot.  dunno


    Do you believe the Ukros really will attack in the end, or it is all posturing? Seems to me that they take a lot of trouble just to parade tanks and artillery up and down the front.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:48 pm

    I don't know enough to state how factual this is or isn't. Maybe others would like to comment.

    Oligarchs battle for control of Lugansk coal industry

    By Victor Shapinov

    Yuri Ivanyushchenko and his business partner Ivan (Ivan Ivanovich) Avramov, at one time Yanukovych's "kingpin" in the Odessa region, have intensified pressure on the coal industry in the Lugansk People’s Republic (LC). Their business does serious harm to the country.

    http://redstaroverdonbass.blogspot.ru/2015/12/oligarchs-battle-for-control-of-lugansk.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:50 pm

    The funeral of Cossack Commander Pavel Dremov

    By Alexey Albu

    December 15: I just returned from the funeral of Pavel Dremov. The ceremony began at eight in the morning and lasted until the afternoon – an endless stream of hundreds of people walked to the House of Culture in Stakhanov -- locals and visitors, who all wanted to bid farewell to legendary Cossack Ataman.

    with photos

    http://redstaroverdonbass.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-funeral-of-cossack-commander-pavel.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:00 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I don't know enough to state how factual this is or isn't. Maybe others would like to comment.

    Oligarchs battle for control of Lugansk coal industry

    By Victor Shapinov

    Yuri Ivanyushchenko and his business partner Ivan (Ivan Ivanovich) Avramov, at one time Yanukovych's "kingpin" in the Odessa region, have intensified pressure on the coal industry in the Lugansk People’s Republic (LC). Their business does serious harm to the country.

    http://redstaroverdonbass.blogspot.ru/2015/12/oligarchs-battle-for-control-of-lugansk.html
    Good find. The oligarchs of Ukraine that had interests in the East are clearly desperate and determined to get back into operation. What a mess of a society.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:33 am

    With all the talk about Crimea losing electrical power, something pretty huge slipped through the cracks. If this turns out to be true then Crimea is much, much more geo-strategic then we earlier realized! Apparently Russian geologist's discovered the worlds' largest gold mineral deposit formation in Crimea, and could provide more than 60-70% of the world's gold production per year:

    "On the peninsula of Crimea by Russian geologists discovered the largest gold mine, which, according to preliminary estimates, more than 60-70% of the gold mined in the world. Thus, the Crimean field becomes the largest source of gold in the world, ahead of all the figures of the previous record holder - the Witwatersrand (South Africa), and the extraction of the found gold will be several times more easily due to the output of highly auriferous veins close to the surface. Doubtless there is that Crimea for Russia is becoming a source and Easten gold incredible financial opportunities. "

    http://topwar.ru/88043-ne-byvat-ukraincam-sheyhami.html

    For the Ukrappy's, here's a reminder...

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:With all the talk about Crimea losing electrical power, something pretty huge slipped through the cracks. If this turns out to be true then Crimea is much, much more geo-strategic then we earlier realized! Apparently Russian geologist's discovered the worlds' largest gold mineral deposit formation in Crimea, and could provide more than 60-70% of the world's gold production per year:

    "On the peninsula of Crimea by Russian geologists discovered the largest gold mine, which, according to preliminary estimates, more than 60-70% of the gold mined in the world. Thus, the Crimean field becomes the largest source of gold in the world, ahead of all the figures of the previous record holder - the Witwatersrand (South Africa), and the extraction of the found gold will be several times more easily due to the output of highly auriferous veins close to the surface. Doubtless there is that Crimea for Russia is becoming a source and Easten gold incredible financial opportunities. "

    http://topwar.ru/88043-ne-byvat-ukraincam-sheyhami.html

    The detail in the article, a bit difficult to understand in my Yandex translate, seems to urge extreme caution, implying that its a windup. Gold deposit like S> Africa and oil like Saudi, mmmmm.

    On 12 December, the Ukrainian website "Actually" published an article exposing "information" about the discovery in the Crimea of a huge gold Deposit.

    ...................................

    Ivan Sashenko encourages those citizens of Ukraine that have managed not to break the sanity, to realize that this story is fake. And he refers to the news of the same kind that tells of the invasion of Russian special forces into the Donbas. The call is reasonable, but whether it will reach the goal? Indeed, if there is already a audience, personally observing what not, appeals to rational behaviour are unlikely to help.

    16 December 2015 other fake riches of Crimea has warned the portal "Journalistic truth". According to the website's journalist Mikhail Onufrienko, Turkey began to appear sensational reports of the Crimean fabulous riches. The press talks about Dzhankoy oil field, supposedly already developed by the Russians. The field seemed to put the Crimea on one level with Saudi Arabia.
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    Post  auslander on Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:32 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:With all the talk about Crimea losing electrical power, something pretty huge slipped through the cracks. If this turns out to be true then Crimea is much, much more geo-strategic then we earlier realized! Apparently Russian geologist's discovered the worlds' largest gold mineral deposit formation in Crimea, and could provide more than 60-70% of the world's gold production per year:

    "On the peninsula of Crimea by Russian geologists discovered the largest gold mine, which, according to preliminary estimates, more than 60-70% of the gold mined in the world. Thus, the Crimean field becomes the largest source of gold in the world, ahead of all the figures of the previous record holder - the Witwatersrand (South Africa), and the extraction of the found gold will be several times more easily due to the output of highly auriferous veins close to the surface. Doubtless there is that Crimea for Russia is becoming a source and Easten gold incredible financial opportunities. "

    http://topwar.ru/88043-ne-byvat-ukraincam-sheyhami.html

    The detail in the article, a bit difficult to understand in my Yandex translate, seems to urge extreme caution, implying that its a windup. Gold deposit like S> Africa and oil like Saudi, mmmmm.

    On 12 December, the Ukrainian website "Actually" published an article exposing "information" about the discovery in the Crimea of a huge gold Deposit.

    ...................................

    Ivan Sashenko encourages those citizens of Ukraine that have managed not to break the sanity, to realize that this story is fake. And he refers to the news of the same kind that tells of the invasion of Russian special forces into the Donbas. The call is reasonable, but whether it will reach the goal? Indeed, if there is already a audience, personally observing what not, appeals to rational behaviour are unlikely to help.

    16 December 2015 other fake riches of Crimea has warned the portal "Journalistic truth". According to the website's journalist Mikhail Onufrienko, Turkey began to appear sensational reports of the Crimean fabulous riches. The press talks about Dzhankoy oil field, supposedly already developed by the Russians. The field seemed to put the Crimea on one level with Saudi Arabia.

    Haven't heard one word about this. If true thousands of diggers would be heading for the mountains and valleys. It's possible it's true but if so it would be impossible to hide it in this huge village called Krim. If it is true the orcs will be screaming to the heavens, as will be the orcs in DC and Langley.
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    Another "dog that did not bark" during the Maidan massacre

    The leader of C14, a neo-Nazi organization affiliated with the far right Svoboda party, confirmed that his C14-based 2-d Company of the Maidan Self-Defence took refuge in the Canadian embassy in Kyiv on February 18 and stayed there during the Maidan massacre. This is important not only because the Canadian embassy gave refuge to the Svoboda company, formed on the basis of the neo-Nazi C14, but also because this is another "dog that did not bark" evidence that the Maidan sniper massacre was a false-flag operation involving far right organizations. Similarly to the Right Sector, C14 and the 2-d Company of the Maidan Self-Defence stayed away from the massacre area on February 20, and not a single their member was killed by "snipers." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8WHzVEYpxs

    Similarly to the Right Sector, C14 and its Maidan Self-Defence company were involved in many cases of political violence during the ”Euromaidan” and afterwards, specifically during the war in Donbas. C14 activists were also arrested as suspects in the assassination of a prominent Ukrainian journalist Oles Buzyna. Today, C14 organized a torch-lit rally in front of the Prosecutor General Office with demands to release the suspected assassins. http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/12/19/7093070/

    The overt absence of the C14 and its Maidan Self-Defence company during the Maidan massacre suggests that C14 leaders at least knew in advance about the massacre. Some evidence indicates that C14 had its own unit of Maidan “snipers,” as the Right Sector did. The C14 leader stated that Medvedko, one of the top C14 activists and commanders of its Maidan Self-Defence company, who is arrested for the killing of Buzyna, organized a group of C14 members and led “partisan resistance” since the evening of February 18, specifically during the Maidan massacre. But the C14 leader said that details of these actions could be made public in twenty years. This is an indication that this neo-Nazi partisan group was likely a covert group of “snipers.” http://www.svobody-patriotam.com/biografiya-andriya-medved…/
    In his interview cited in my APSA paper, a Swedish neo-Nazi member of C14 admitted that he knew two “snipers” who shot at the police on the Maidan from Kalashnikov-based Saiga hunting rifles with telescopic sights from the third floor of the Trade Unions Building. http://www.friatider.se/swede-patrols-ukraines-streets-with…

    This is another illustration that the Western governments supported the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government by an alliance of the far right and oligarchic organizations but misrepresented this overthrow as a peaceful protest of liberal democratic opposition. The Western mainstream media, with some exceptions like this BBC report concerning C14, followed their governments line in misrepresenting the role of the far right, specifically neo-Nazis, in the “Euromaidan” and in the Maidan massacre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY#t=226

    There was similar misrepresentation by the Western governments and the media of the opposition, dominated by illiberal and non-democratic elements, such as fundamentalist Islamists, as pro-freedom, democratic, and moderate during the Western-backed regime change in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Egypt.

    The use of the Canadian embassy as a refuge by the neo-Nazi-led Svoboda company during the Maidan massacre has not been reported by the previous Canadian government or any mainstream media in Canada. The Canadian Press investigation only revealed this summer that a group of Maidan protesters took refuge in the Canadian embassy. http://www.cbc.ca/…/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-dur…


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    Supporters of the defendants in the case Buzyna came under fire from prosecutors
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    Rally in support of Andrew Medvedko and Denis Polishchuk came under the Kiev prosecutor activists chanting "Freedom to political prisoners."

    The correspondent of "Ukrainian Truth" from the scene reported that the police surrounded the building on all sides, and activists occupied the roadway.

    They are chanting "Revolution", "Idiots judged patriots", "Prosecutors, remember: power is not eternal."
    The action for the release of defendants in the case Buzyna
    The action for the release of defendants in the case Buzyna
    Roman Kravets, UP

    Crowd chanting slogans and the resignation of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, said "Public TV".
    Rally in support of Andrew Medvedko and Denis Polishchuk
    Rally in support of Andrew Medvedko and Denis Polishchuk
    Public TV

    Nearby prosecutors - many units of security forces.

    Demanding release of suspects in the murder of journalist Olesya elder, protesters dressed in masks and Polishchuk Medvedko.
    Rally in support of Andrew Medvedko and Denis Polishchuk
    Rally in support of Andrew Medvedko and Denis Polishchuk
    Public TV

    Protesters used pyrotechnics. When the Constitutional Court on the street Antonovich (formerly Gorky) in the course went "fires".

    As at 17:00 gave the correspondent of "TV 112," after speaking representatives "Right Sector" campaign declared final.

    As you know, Medvedko and Polishchuk detained on suspicion of murdering elder, who was shot near his home in Kiev in April. Activists argue that the accusations groundless and the case is fabricated and persecuted patriots.

    Medvedko to hold more than six months in jail - and 3 December Kyiv Pecherskyi District Court left him in custody until 31 January 2016. Defence appealed.

    Polishchuk December 9 the same court changed the measure of restraint from detention to house arrest clock.
    Themes: Elder shares Kyiv Prosecutor's Office
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    http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/12/19/7093070/


    I SEE RIGHT SECTOR AND AZOV BATTALION FLAGS, WHAT ELSE IS FLYING, ARE THEY FLYING??

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    Putin says will not abandon Russians in Ukraine to nationalists: RIA

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow would not abandon Russians living in southeast Ukraine to Ukrainian nationalists, RIA news agency quoted him as saying in a documentary due to be broadcast later on Sunday.

    More than 9,000 people have been killed in fighting in eastern Ukraine between Russian-backed separatists and Ukrainian troops since April 2014. Moscow says Ukrainian nationalists pose a threat to ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the region.

    According to RIA, Putin also said Russia would continue to improve its nuclear arsenal, but added that it would not wield the "nuclear big stick".

    (Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin; Editing by Gareth Jones)


    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-nationalists-idUSKBN0U30HG20151220?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

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