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    Project 955: Borei class SSBN

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:06 am

    I thought Prince Vlad was the first improved Borei, now I am confused. What are the changes to Oleg?
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    Post  TheArmenian Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:32 am

    mnztr wrote:I thought Prince Vlad was the first improved Borei, now I am confused. What are the changes to Oleg?

    Yes, the Russian classification can be confusing. This is the logic behind it:
    Prince Vlad is the first one - prototype
    Prince Oleg is the first serial one.

    They are identical.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:35 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
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    Cyberspec wrote:What was delayed?

    Laying down ceremony for those six new ships got scrubbed at the last minute and moved for Monday

    But launch of fully completed vessel just goes on the down low


    The delay was because of Putin's schedule. He is going to attend the Universal Landing Ships laying down process in Kerch. He postponed his trip by a few days, so all the ceremonies were delayed.

    I just posted details on what will be laid down this month in the other thread:
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t5541p550-russian-naval-construction-plans-and-statistics-update#288506

    Yeah they better go on ahead without him, he's retreated to the bunker lol1
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:55 am

    New sonar arrangement on the 955A ?
    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 DO3piyeW0AAnpiZ?format=jpg&name=large

    Hello #Russia Prj.955A Borey-A "Knyaz Vladimir", what an interesting new flank sonar array you have there
    https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/931657649606754304

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:15 am

    They seem to be confused with sonars. They keep changing them from one sub to another. Already happened to yasen which saw a different sonar from 1 to 2nd ship. Now this.

    Don't they have a testbed submarine or they test them only when the new subs are build ?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:34 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:New sonar arrangement on the 955A ?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO3piyeW0AAnpiZ?format=jpg&name=large

    Hello #Russia Prj.955A Borey-A "Knyaz Vladimir", what an interesting new flank sonar array you have there
    https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/931657649606754304

    Yes, both Borei-A and Yasen-M have conformal sonars, this is not news

    That guy from Twitter is out of the loop

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:02 pm

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    This is a pic from the launching ceremony of Knyaz Wladimir.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:52 pm

    Isos wrote:They seem to be confused with sonars. They keep changing them from one sub to another. Already happened to yasen which saw a different sonar from 1 to 2nd ship. Now this.

    Don't they have a testbed submarine or they test them only when the new subs are build ?

    Uhm, the first Yasen was laid down in the 90s, so of course starting with the 2nd sub there would be significant redesigns and new class number 855M.

    Borei too was from that time, but Russia put much higher priority on it and actually produced 3 of them, before modernizing the design.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:05 pm

    Do we have any comparison of location or shape of that conformal sonar.. compared to the First 955 (The Yuri Dolgruky) ?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:09 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:Borei too was from that time, but Russia put much higher priority on it and actually produced 3 of them, before modernizing the design.

    The first 3x Boreis were built using hull sections from unfinished Pr 971 Schuka-B/Akulas. I expect that Russia decided they needed new SSBNs more than they needed new SSNs.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:41 pm

    https://112.ua/mnenie/rossiya-porazila-novym-oruzhiem-sposobnym-probivat-arkticheskiy-led-546864.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:28 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://112.ua/mnenie/rossiya-porazila-novym-oruzhiem-sposobnym-probivat-arkticheskiy-led-546864.html

    Would it kill you to at least give a title since you are too much of dickhead to give summary?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:20 am

    Would it kill you open the link & read it? I don't work for free.
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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:27 pm

    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Egfmjf10
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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://112.ua/mnenie/rossiya-porazila-novym-oruzhiem-sposobnym-probivat-arkticheskiy-led-546864.html

    Would it kill you to at least give a title since you are too much of dickhead to give summary?


    The original article:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/08/16/russias-icebreaker-rocket-can-punch-a-hole-through-the-north-pole/#77518d9b5cc0
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    Post  walle83 Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:43 pm

    Hole wrote:Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Egfmjf10

    Almost looks like a completly different sub then the first 955s. Have they really moved the sail so far back or is the picture altered?

    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Thedip10
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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:59 pm

    I highly doubt the image posted by Hole is altered. It looks to me that more assets were invested in the frontal hull section including
    a more sophisticated acoustic detection system and likely undeclared missile and torpedo assets. If the redesign was trivial then
    such a large difference would not be involved.

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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:07 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Hole wrote:Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Egfmjf10

    Almost looks like a completly different sub then the first 955s. Have they really moved the sail so far back or is the picture altered?

    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Thedip10

    first 955s had more similarities with Delta IV i think
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:48 pm

    The sail is also longer. They need to carry more missiles to make holes in the ice & perhaps decided to change the layout for extra forward space. The hull itself may be longer. More supplies carried=longer endurance.
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    Post  walle83 Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:58 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The sail is also longer. They need to carry more missiles to make holes in the ice & perhaps decided to change the layout for extra forward space. The hull itself may be longer. More supplies carried=longer endurance.

    Although it has never been any info about the 955A being longer then the original version. They used the nose section from unfinished Akulas on the first 3 subs and that should make them some what diffrent. The back should be the same, it carries the same number of missiles.
    At the same time...while looking at the picture....something seems a bit of with the forward part of the 955A....something isnt right.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:21 am

    It does have somewhat longer hull:
    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/03/project-955a-borei-a-ssbn-to-reinforce-russian-navy-pacific-fleet/#prettyPhoto

    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Project-955A-Borei-A-SSBN-to-Reinforce-Russian-Navy-Pacific-Fleet-scaled
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    Post  kvs Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:26 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:It does have somewhat longer hull:
    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/03/project-955a-borei-a-ssbn-to-reinforce-russian-navy-pacific-fleet/#prettyPhoto

    Project 955: Borei class SSBN - Page 36 Project-955A-Borei-A-SSBN-to-Reinforce-Russian-Navy-Pacific-Fleet-scaled

    This graphics is significantly different from the photo posted above. And it's not an optical illusion. The graphic looks like speculative fan art.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:24 am

    Why should a modernized SSBN be of the exact same length as the 1st 3 that used hull sections from disassembled & unfinished SSNs? It would surprise me if it is.
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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:56 pm

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