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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:53 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Does the Borei class have a swimming pool and sauna like the Akula class?  

    Actually keeping fit is very important for any crew. Especially that patrol can last pretty long. I hope that some kind of gym they have. IMHO instead of noisy weights (you alwasy can drop or putting on rack it just is noisy, use kind of body weight training? less space and all is attached ot walls. Something like Soviet turniks or ghetto workouts Smile


    BTW I saw this "swimming pool" in AKulas once on Yt. More like big Jacuzzi unfortunately without sexy blonder in skimpy bikinis and no cigars too.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:18 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    The-thing-next-door wrote:Does the Borei class have a swimming pool and sauna like the Akula class?  

    Actually keeping fit is very important for any crew. Especially that patrol can last pretty long. I hope that some kind of gym they have. IMHO instead of noisy weights (you alwasy can drop or putting on rack it just is noisy, use kind of body weight training? less space and all is attached ot walls. Something like Soviet turniks or ghetto workouts Smile


    BTW I saw this "swimming pool" in AKulas once on  Yt. More like big Jacuzzi unfortunately without sexy blonder in skimpy bikinis and no cigars too.
    Finally someone realises that it is a serious question. The Aukula does have a gym and apparently also a sauna too.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:42 am

    Actually I seem to remember comments about three swimming pools and two Aviaries (ie places with birds) and a movie theatre and two libraries... sauna and several gyms and I am actually being serious.

    Also every crewman has their own bed... unlike some US boomers where the crew have to hot rack... ie with three shifts three crew will sleep in one bed in turns... 8 hours to sleep 8 hours on duty and 8 hours to pass the time.

    That is not to say the Russian crew had their own rooms.... I think there were four bunks to a room for the lowest ranks but you got your own bed that you did not have to share with anyone else...

    Note for those not clear the Akula class is known in the west as the Typhoon class SSBN.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:24 am

    GarryB wrote:Actually I seem to remember comments about three swimming pools and two Aviaries (ie places with birds) and a movie theatre and two libraries... sauna and several gyms and I am actually being serious.

    Also every crewman has their own bed... unlike some US boomers where the crew have to hot rack... ie with three shifts three crew will sleep in one bed in turns... 8 hours to sleep 8 hours on duty and 8 hours to pass the time.

    That is not to say the Russian crew had their own rooms.... I think there were four bunks to a room for the lowest ranks but you got your own bed that you did not have to share with anyone else...

    Note for those not clear the Akula class is known in the west as the Typhoon class SSBN.

    Could you show pictures?

    I love how the Akula is litteraly the exact oposite of what western propaganda makes Russian subs out to be.

    "Russian subs are cramped and super uncomfortable"...Meanwhile Russian sub has pools saunas wooden pannels and other luxuries.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:19 pm

    Here is your pool. You can find the entire documentry on the net. I think it was called mission invisible (at least the french title was Something like that).

    You're welcome.


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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually I seem to remember comments about three swimming pools and two Aviaries (ie places with birds) and a movie theatre and two libraries... sauna and several gyms and I am actually being serious.

    Yup that's a pretty standard set of stuff for military units. Some have more, some have less. The Akulas evidently had more.
    For example in ours we had a sports hall (football markings, basketball hoops, a volleyball net, a pull-up bar, mats), a gym (with all sorts of equipment), a movie theatre (which didn't open its doors too often), a TV room (you could play chess or read newspapers there too), a library and a psychological relaxation room (comfy chairs, magazines, table, board games, music system, pleasing wallpaper). No swimming pools or avaries mind you but then again we were out in the taiga so there was plenty of nature around anyway, and some lakes too.
    Other units were less lucky.

    That room they're sitting in playing the guitar in the vid that Isos posted is a psychological relaxation room; and that's probably where they had the bird cage and aquarium too. Can't imagine they have a dedicated aviary but hey who knows. Their library would probably be a pretty small room with a few shelves of books. Don't think there would be a need to have two seperate ones. We had a dedicated librarian on base who would tell us about authors and their literature from time to time, but on a submarine some sailors would have to have that duty.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:13 pm

    The fourth BOREI class submarine, KNYAZ VLADIMIR, will be launched tomorrow at Sevmash.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:22 pm

    Fifth one is in need of renigotiation of finances since they (United shipbuilding Corporation) ran out of funds for it. So expect some begging from them to MoD.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:55 pm

    4th Borei SSBN - 1st modernized Pr.955A Borei-A - Knyaz Vladimir has been launched earlier today. Note modified stern plane and rudder.

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    https://rg.ru/2017/11/17/reg-szfo/severodvinske-vyveli-iz-ellinga-novuiu-apl-kniaz-vladimir.html
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    Post  hoom on Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:57 pm

    More launch pics https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2958395.html
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:21 pm

    FINALLY cheers cheers cheers cheers
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Fifth one is in need of renigotiation of finances since they (United shipbuilding Corporation) ran out of funds for it. So expect some begging from them to MoD.

    Why did it turn out to be more expensive?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:58 pm

    George1 wrote:4th Borei SSBN - 1st modernized Pr.955A Borei-A - Knyaz Vladimir has been launched earlier today. Note modified stern plane and rudder.

    https://rg.ru/2017/11/17/reg-szfo/severodvinske-vyveli-iz-ellinga-novuiu-apl-kniaz-vladimir.html

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    What is da pipe along stabilizer?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    George1 wrote:4th Borei SSBN - 1st modernized Pr.955A Borei-A - Knyaz Vladimir has been launched earlier today. Note modified stern plane and rudder.

    https://rg.ru/2017/11/17/reg-szfo/severodvinske-vyveli-iz-ellinga-novuiu-apl-kniaz-vladimir.html

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    What is da pipe along stabilizer?

    You have no need to know.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:19 am

    Towed array.
    Presumably a 2nd on the other side.

    This stern config is quite a bit different from previous Borei
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:47 am

    That cardboard "box" on the propeler is much larger on new one, could be telling...
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:17 am

    Here is your pool. You can find the entire documentry on the net. I think it was called mission invisible (at least the french title was Something like that).

    You're welcome.

    Better with the sound turned off...

    They get a dollar a month.... and where are they going to spend that dollar?

    Food and lodgings are provided.... they don't have to pay for anything... Geez I hate US documentaries.

    Regarding the two libraries I seem to remember mention that one was for officers and was technical books and the other was for everyone and included comic books and general literature.
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    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:38 am

    Charly015 comparison http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2017/11/el-submarino-knyaz-vladimir-se-botara.html
    As well as the rudder, towed array & T on the horizontal stabilisers the hump is missing/shorter
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    Also but not mentioned by him this shot shows clearly the stern is tapered considerably more steeply.

    Gonna be interesting to see full length pics.
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    Post  Arrow on Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:47 am

    What about the number of launchers? 16 or 20 ? Not many photos.
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    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:45 am

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:24 am

    hoom wrote:Charly015 comparison http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2017/11/el-submarino-knyaz-vladimir-se-botara.html
    As well as the rudder, towed array & T on the horizontal stabilisers the hump is missing/shorter
    ....
    Also but not mentioned by him this shot shows clearly the stern is tapered considerably more steeply.

    Gonna be interesting to see full length pics.

    Speaking of full length pictures where the hell are they, I need those!!! cry

    Also, can someone explain to me where that "towed array" fits? It's can't be that little hole on the stabilizer, it's too small, isn't it? Or not?

    Teach me!
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    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:08 pm

    Look at the Charly015 pic again.
    The older 955 has towed array off the top of the fin, diameter looks about the same (almost certainly exactly same)
    Also compare the visible hole with the size of the ppl nearly directly below, the hole must be something like 600mm diameter.
    Cables themselves are only something like 10cm diameter afaik.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:53 pm

    The steeper inclination of the stern could be to alow for more missiles or other equipment to fit in the submarine by alowing you to locate the drive system further towards the rear. Does anyone know how many missiles it carries?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:21 pm

    Shoulld be the same as before - 16
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    Post  walle83 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:44 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Shoulld be the same as before - 16

    Wasnt the number of missiles on the 955U project supose to be 20?

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