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    Why China will become the first superpower soon.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:15 am

    The problem is that the EU is not a power.... it remains a vassal state subservient to the US.

    Until they can start making their own decisions there is not much point in talking to them...

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    Post  Aristide Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:26 am

    GarryB wrote:The problem is that the EU is not a power.... it remains a vassal state subservient to the US.

    Until they can start making their own decisions there is not much point in talking to them...

    Oh Gary, again stuck in the past.

    Maybe you should follow and see how politics develop. Its a core goal of France to crush USA out of Europe.

    Germany supports this.

    Are you telling me USA ordered Germany and France to vote against USA imposing UNSC sanctions on Iran?

    Are you telling me USA ordered France and Germany to walk out the WHO reform process started by USA. With french and german diplomats saying that USA has no authority to demand anything regarding the WHO?

    US influence in Europe is limited to small eastern european shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

    According to newest EU rules, US companies are even excluded from new defense projects.

    P.s: When will New Zealand stop its Corona Paranoia? Crazy how much facism you willingly allow because a cough and cold.
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:44 am

    Aristide wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The problem is that the EU is not a power.... it remains a vassal state subservient to the US.

    Until they can start making their own decisions there is not much point in talking to them...

    Oh Gary, again stuck in the past.

    Maybe you should follow and see how politics develop. Its a core goal of France to crush USA out of Europe.

    Germany supports this.

    Are you telling me USA ordered Germany and France to vote against USA imposing UNSC sanctions on Iran?

    Are you telling me USA ordered France and Germany to walk out the WHO reform process started by USA. With french and german diplomats saying that USA has no authority to demand anything regarding the WHO?

    US influence in Europe is limited to small eastern european shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

    According to newest EU rules, US companies are even excluded from new defense projects.

    P.s: When will New Zealand stop its Corona Paranoia? Crazy how much facism you willingly allow because a cough and cold.

    If the NATzO serfs of Uncle Swine-shit were really independent, then they would not be sucking his schlong as to natural gas imports.
    You have no leg to stand on with your absurd claims that NATzO vassals are free to do as they please. The only time that was true
    for France was when de Gaulle was in office. Micron, Hollande, Sarkozy are/were all pathetic sock puppets. Sarkozy engaged in
    the gang rape of Libya, Hollande cut off France's own testicles in the Mistral case because yanquis snapped their fingers and the
    trained poodle had to respond. France also dished out over 8 billion dollars in imperial bank fines to the yanquis for daring to not conform
    to the yanqui script exactly.

    The EU is cannon fodder for the anglos. Like during the 1930s, the anglos think that they will use you idiots to roll over Russia
    to find the final solution to the Russian "problem". And you idiots will oblige with a smile. Because Navalny and "novichoke".


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    Post  Aristide Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:18 am

    kvs wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The problem is that the EU is not a power.... it remains a vassal state subservient to the US.

    Until they can start making their own decisions there is not much point in talking to them...

    Oh Gary, again stuck in the past.

    Maybe you should follow and see how politics develop. Its a core goal of France to crush USA out of Europe.

    Germany supports this.

    Are you telling me USA ordered Germany and France to vote against USA imposing UNSC sanctions on Iran?

    Are you telling me USA ordered France and Germany to walk out the WHO reform process started by USA. With french and german diplomats saying that USA has no authority to demand anything regarding the WHO?

    US influence in Europe is limited to small eastern european shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

    According to newest EU rules, US companies are even excluded from new defense projects.

    P.s: When will New Zealand stop its Corona Paranoia? Crazy how much facism you willingly allow because a cough and cold.

    If the NATzO serfs of Uncle Swine-shit were really independent, then they would not be sucking his schlong as to natural gas imports.    
    You have no leg to stand on with your absurd claims that NATzO vassals are free to do as they please.   The only time that was true
    for France was when de Gaulle was in office.    Micron, Hollande, Sarkozy are/were all pathetic sock puppets.   Sarkozy engaged in
    the gang rape of Libya, Hollande cut off France's own testicles in the Mistral case because yanquis snapped their fingers and the
    trained poodle had to respond.    France also dished out over 8 billion dollars in imperial bank fines to the yanquis for daring to not conform
    to the yanqui script exactly.

    The EU is cannon fodder for the anglos.   Like during the 1930s, the anglos think that they will use you idiots to roll over Russia
    to find the final solution to the Russian "problem".     And you idiots will oblige with a smile.   Because Navalny and "novichoke".


     

    Yeah sure and because of this we press US influence out of Europe at evry day.

    USA is a rival, Russia is a minor rival since it has no economic power and China is a rival.

    We place China and USA as threat and focus on them. With Russia we will see, cooperation in economy and science is possible.

    As Macron says, american influence is poison. So is chinese influence.

    The Mistral thing i see different. That deal should never have happened from the start. Neither France nor Russia profited from this.

    P.s. I dont care about Nawalny, Russia can kill who it wants on its territory as long its no french citizens, thats none of our business.

    But maybe use the german stuff sarin or tabun next time. At least that stuff works. The russian chemical weapons seem to be not very effective.

    France has killed alot of our enemies but we do it more smart than that.

    A car accident here, a plane crash there.


    What matters now is that we all sit this shit out. France heavily invested in NS II as well and we would not like to see that investment go down.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:24 am

    I would add that with some interruptions, France served the US interests ever since she helped the 13 colonies fight the British. If France was truly independent, she would've joined Italy in the BRI deal with China.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:17 am

    Oh Gary, again stuck in the past.

    Maybe you should follow and see how politics develop. Its a core goal of France to crush USA out of Europe.

    Hahahahaha... you say I am stuck in the past and then say in the future France wants to stop being told what to do by the US and have the same for the rest of Europe.... doesn't that mean I am stuck in the present, and you are dreaming of a different future from today?

    I can fully understand that, but that just makes me right and you a wishful thinker... which is fine.

    Germany supports this.

    Germany agrees with France not to be told what to do by the US... is that because that is what they actually want or is it because France told them so and they just do as they are told like good little sheeple like the rest of Europe.

    Are you telling me USA ordered Germany and France to vote against USA imposing UNSC sanctions on Iran?


    Hahahahaha.... nice creative accounting there... they didn't vote against the US... the Abstained and let Russia and China vote against the US and the Dominican Republic...

    They didn't have the balls to actually vote against them even though they wanted the vote to fail... good little lapdogs... master is angry but you still might get a cookie and a walk.

    Are you telling me USA ordered France and Germany to walk out the WHO reform process started by USA. With french and german diplomats saying that USA has no authority to demand anything regarding the WHO?

    The US has no authority demanding reforms of WHO or the world court or WADA, but europe never actively acts against them when they do.

    US influence in Europe is limited to small eastern european shitholes like Poland and the Baltics.

    They have more influence there because their governments are based on fear of the non existent threat from Russia, but all of Europe is afraid of big scary Mr Putin... which is honestly very funny, because US demands over weakening workers rights and food standards means Mr Trump or Mr Biden are by far the much greater threats to everyone.

    According to newest EU rules, US companies are even excluded from new defense projects.

    Hahaha... how long will that last... and when they get sued or find there are US companies they need to cooperate breaking those rules will be ignored. The EU uses Microsoft products... there is no western alternative.... there is no competition for the contracts.... they just get them every term.

    P.s: When will New Zealand stop its Corona Paranoia? Crazy how much facism you willingly allow because a cough and cold.

    We have had 23 deaths... how is France going?

    Yeah sure and because of this we press US influence out of Europe at evry day.

    Who is telling you that? There is a lot of anti Trump feeling because he is so open and honest in the way he abuses his subjects in Europe, but if Biden wins you will be asking the master which country to invade next...

    With Russia we will see, cooperation in economy and science is possible.

    Cooperation like delivering products paid for....???


    As Macron says, american influence is poison. So is chinese influence.

    Standard western propaganda... what you say is true, but reversed... french and US influence is poison to China and to Russia for that matter, but fortunately your leaders are making sure they only get small doses and are building up their immunity...

    The Mistral thing i see different. That deal should never have happened from the start. Neither France nor Russia profited from this.

    Russia is selling equipment and helicopters to Egypt.... along with other land based systems, they got a good look at a modern helicopter carrier and were given enough time to decide what they liked and what they would prefer changed... at 30K ton I guess they are changing a bit.... including making it more ice resistant and better suited to their standards... and they pretty much got their money back... what was not to like.

    The only problem for them was that they wanted them faster, but this delay means work for their workers... almost certainly four ships, but possibly more if they can adapt them to other roles like hospital ship... and as I said the delay will mean they can make the modifications they want and have more time to develop the support infrastructure and support ships needed to operate it properly...

    But maybe use the german stuff sarin or tabun next time. At least that stuff works. The russian chemical weapons seem to be not very effective.

    If they wanted him dead good old fashioned lead poisoning, or car accident, or crashed plane would be much easier and cheaper to organise with nothing tying anything to anyone... Navalny didn't get novachok in his system till he was handed over to the German military... they probably used their own supply which is probably why he isn't dead.

    France has killed alot of our enemies but we do it more smart than that.

    A car accident here, a plane crash there.

    Or you could talk to them and they will commit suicide...

    What matters now is that we all sit this shit out. France heavily invested in NS II as well and we would not like to see that investment go down.

    Screw NSII, I am sure there is an outclause like with Mistral. Just redirect the pipe to Kaliningrad...

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:59 pm

    It takes a chart to put it into perspective.


    It's a race to the bottom for US trade

    If there ever was a time when you could see a trend solidly in motion, now is it.

    That the Western, previously civilized world is in decline has been known to anyone with an ounce of curiosity and even just a modicum of analysis of data points.

    Before Xi’s ascension to power one could have argued that this trend was worrying, but not terrifying.

    What makes it terrifying is that Xi managed to abolish the two-term limit for his presidency with an overwhelming majority (2,959 to 2 and 3 abstaining votes — no prizes for guessing where those 5 guys are now).

    He then proceeded to have his name enshrined in the constitution. No shit.

    You may recall Xi’s “anti-corruption” purge from a few years back.

    Well, this was Xi’s own internal secret police, designed to kill (literally) any opposition from within the CCP.

    Today’s China, or should I say CCP, is not the same CCP of Deng Xiaoping. Today’s CCP is an ideological global weapon of control, and it is spreading like cancer.



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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:46 am


    P.s: When will New Zealand stop its Corona Paranoia? Crazy how much facism you willingly allow because a cough and cold.

    We lost 26 people to the Corona Virus so far and you talk about Facism.... I have not worn a mask in months... I think for about a week three months ago we had to wear them. Everything is open except international travel, which means we can go on holidays around our own country on the cheap... we have no restrictions at all, but you call us fascist...

    What is the situation in France at the moment? No deaths? No Restrictions? No problems with Migrants?

    What makes it terrifying is that Xi managed to abolish the two-term limit for his presidency with an overwhelming majority (2,959 to 2 and 3 abstaining votes — no prizes for guessing where those 5 guys are now).

    The suggestion that five men were killed is amusing... the Clintons probably killed 1,000 times more than that when Bill was in power and leading up to and after Hilary failed to get into office... it seems if America does it it is OK...

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    Post  SaneBomber Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:50 am

    kvs wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:China doesn't need nor wants to be a superpower. Being a major regional power with Global reach is enough: 
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/the-eurasian-century-has-already-begun/?mc_cid=4fcea32b9e&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/08/bruited-investment-beijing.html

    But since China is competition to Uncle Swine-shit, it will be targeted as an "existential threat" anyway.   Russia is getting the same treatment.
    Yanquis will not even tolerate large trade outside of their control.  


    China has tried to keep a low profile, in keeping with the Deng directive of "not shining too bright", things have been going so well for them that they want to extend that state of affairs as long as they can, growing off the globalist system in a steep trajectory that will have them surpass the US in nominal GDP sometime this decade.

    In fact China already is ahead of the US, not just in global trade, domestic market and industrial might, but also in real GDP, since their currency is being kept artificially low. The real value of the Yuan is around 3-4 per US$, nearly twice as valuable as its current exchange rate. So china's real GDP today stands around twice its current $16 trillion value, well ahead of the US' $21 trillion GDP.

    China will ride its current path for another 5-10 years, then switch gears from an export-based economy with a weak currency to a savings-based economy with a strong currency once its domestic market becomes much larger than the US', and it completely dominates Asian and global markets, at which point it will outsource its lower-end manufacturing to places like Africa, Pakistan or Indonesia and take over the mid/high end, exporting cellphones, trains, planes, cars, chips etc.

    Right now China is trying to lay low, buying off a lot of the US political establishment and dangling its domestic savings market as a giant carrot for Wall Street and Blackrock, who ultimately run the US foreign policy. They will be able to keep this up until they get too big to bother with the acquiescence of the western deep state.

    China will use its currency and the digital Yuan to unseat the US$ as the global fiat currency, at which point the US will no longer be able to print its way out of its massive debt (currently at $50 trillions, much larger than the stated $28 trillion), and as a result the US will have to scale back its massive global military apparatus and retreat to its North American sphere.

    China's central bank has accumulated as much as 30,000 tons of gold, about 15 times as much gold as it has declared, while the US' official 8,000 ton gold reserve hasn't been audited in decades and is likely much smaller. Once China calls out the Fed's bluff and officially lays down its cards, the US$ will suffer a major blow.



    The main difference between China and coutries like the US, UK or France is that Xi is running his country with the economic and political interests of his people as the paramount driver, which is the opposite for the parasitic class ruling western countries, which views their people as a hostile element that has to be expoited and controlled.

    Therein lies the relative success of China, as well as Russia's, which is in the same boat, though its human resources and recent history make it a lot more fragile than China. But there is no question that the future of both of these countries is very bright, thanks to the leadership of Xi and Putin.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:38 pm

    I do not know if it is "off topic" but I am a bit lazy to digging out old threads and I just don't want to create new threads. pwnd

    https://www.reuters.com/business/china-market-regulator-boosts-food-delivery-worker-protections-2021-07-26/

    Chinese market regulator strengthens protection for food delivery workers

    Food delivery platforms in China are being pushed to guarantee their workers with income above minimum pay, insurance and a relaxation in delivery deadlines, under a set of reforms announced on Monday by China's market regulator.

    The guidelines were issued by the State Administration for Market Regulation along with six other administrative departments, including the National Development and Reform Commission, the Cyberspace Administration of China and the Ministry of Public Security.

    Food delivery platforms in China, including Meituan (3690.HK) and Alibaba's (9988.HK) Ele.me, have attracted severe criticism on social media for their treatment of delivery workers, most of whom are not covered by basic social and medical insurance.

    Meituan will "resolutely implement" the guidelines and continue to "effectively enhance labour rights," it said in a statement. Alibaba's (9988.HK) Ele.me did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.

    Meituan has been working with the government to purchase employment injury insurance for its delivery drivers, the company's chief executive, Wang Xing, said on a conference call in May.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:37 pm

    Glad to hear it, extreme deadlines and low wages and bad conditions lead to stress and deaths...
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:29 am

    straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinas-top-court-says-excessive-996-work-culture-is-illegal

    China spells out how '996' work culture is illegal

    China has issued its most detailed warning yet against the excessive-work culture that pervades the country's largest corporations, using real and richly detailed court disputes to address a growing backlash against the punishing demands of the private sector.

    The Supreme People's Court and Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security published a lengthy essay on Friday (Aug 27) about labour violations and unreasonable overtime, labelled "996" because of the common practice of working from 9am to 9pm, six days a week.

    It outlined 10 court cases - including but not limited to the tech industry - in which employees were forced to work extra hours, or put in harm's way.

    China's increasingly profitable tech giants are grappling with public outrage over their gruelling schedules, a backlash fuelled by a growing chorus of complaints on social media and even deaths.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping's administration has launched a campaign to rein in the growing influence of the country's largest corporations, while calling on the private sector to share the wealth.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:34 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Why China will become the first superpower soon. - Page 2 Insider-weekly-209-07-741x1536

    Like the chart, but you can keep the Sinophobia nonsense pls.

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:15 pm

    I think that graphic is a bit misleading. It is not showing the total dollar volume of trade, but the marginal domination across different
    countries. So the US and its pals are not quite at 25% of global trade but they are sliding. That is a good thing. These clowns
    are brazenly trying to run a global colonial racket covered by the "democracy" fig leaf.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:41 am

    Much of the production in China came from western businesses setting up factories and production for their shit, and Chinese "managers" building a few extra factories they run making "similar stuff".

    It is not rocket science to make a factory to assemble shoes, and with the enormous profits you make with your first factory you can build several others to send to other markets that can't afford the expensive western originals even though they are made in the same factories.

    There is no special secret western design that makes US designed shoes better than Chinese designed shoes... the science is the same... they have professional athletes and doctors who specialise in feet and walking...

    They are the super cheap slave labour that produces western stuff for western companies so much of the stuff you buy... whether it is a western brand or a Chinese brand... it will all be made in China these days...

    The point is that the western public will be shocked and rebel against that because they want locally made stuff to get local people in work, but there is no real way to create such jobs in the west where the workers can earn a living wage and the product is affordable enough to be competitive on the western markets.

    The real irony is that US companies will sell sports shoes and hiking boots for 400-500 dollars but they can't afford to pay western workers a living wage to make them... what is wrong with their product model that they need to pay children a dollar a day to make such expensive footware... what wages are the CEOs and managers getting... and the people making the big money are not the people making the shoes and certainly not the people selling the shoes... where does the money go?

    The 1% owners of course... obscenely rich getting slightly richer... it is why the west is so broken.

    Maybe China will get it right.

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:00 am

    The US itself proves that it could operate an economy without offshore sweatshops until the 1980s and the right-sizing and down-sizing
    spasm of the late 1980s and 1990s. China was a tool for the US and western elites to get more filthy lucre. They threw their workers
    under the bus and used trickle down from the arrival of insane profit margins (thanks to dirt cheap production costs) to sustain the
    middle class for a while. But this middle class is a dead man walking since the trickle down is attenuating. The sweatshops are developing
    into places where workers get paid more and more over time.

    The globalist project was all about sweatshops and sky high profit margins for western elites. The current US political split over Trump
    nationalists and Biden globalists is all about accepting or rejecting the reality of dying globalism. The Demonrat party and the deep state
    think that they can run the globalist colonial racket forever. They ignore the clear signs that it is falling apart. The hate for China is
    that it is one of the reasons that the colonial racket is no longer sustainable. China is giving the US and its pals existential competition
    on the global scene by playing by much fairer rules. The self-anointed guiding lights of humanity simply cannot compete since they are
    rotten colonialist trash.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:38 pm

    It is interesting though is it not?

    It is readily accepted the anti Chinese and anti Russian propaganda in europe and the big powerful areas of the west... without any evidence of course.

    They say... we have been bad and done some terrible things but China or Russia will be worse... totally ignoring the fact that China and Russia don't want to be colonial powers like the US and west are.

    From a tiny country in the south Pacific it really does not matter much who is in charge because big bully countries are mostly the same, yet it is US companies that under TPP want to be able to sue our government if they lose money here for not meeting out product requirements... the Chinese and Russians don't seem to want to control our laws and health and safety rules.

    My attitude is give them a chance and let them either succeed or fail... but honestly they would struggle to be bigger bastards than what we have had in the past...

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