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    Post  Guest Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:41 am

    auslander wrote:This is true, power went out for parts of north side at almost the stroke of midnight. Supposedly power service to all of north side fed from southside was instituted late last year. Apparently this was not done and there's about 20,000 irritated northsiders who better damned sight get power back soon.

    Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.

    Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.
    If there was ever any better pretext to go to war, I have yet to see it. Stay safe out there Auslander.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:18 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:This is true, power went out for parts of north side at almost the stroke of midnight. Supposedly power service to all of north side fed from southside was instituted late last year. Apparently this was not done and there's about 20,000 irritated northsiders who better damned sight get power back soon.

    Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.

    Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.
    If there was ever any better pretext to go to war, I have yet to see it. Stay safe out there Auslander.

    A large part of the justification for russia keeping the gas flowing is to keep the ukies sweet and and not interfere with the supply of water and electricity to crimea. Ukraine is clearly reneging on that, and is allowing terrorist attacks to occur on the power lines.

    If ukraine does nothing to stop this, then russia must act. The citizens of crimea voted to join the RF and so must be protected.

    Also, with the current political climate, with the fight against terrorism and a part thaw between france and russia, ukraine would do better to keep its hands clean of anything terrorist related. We have seen it proven that its selling weapons to isis, and we see these terrorist attacks carried out by friends of the ukrainian regime. More moves like this and it really find itself in hot water.





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    Post  Godric Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:27 am

    Russia needs to cut all ties to state 404 and let them fester in their own *rap and sit back and watch those retarded f*cks implode whilst continue destroying their economy and continue to support the good people of NovoRossiya
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:16 am

    I hope Russia will return the favor and cut supplies of gas and electricity to 404.
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    Post  Neutrality Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:04 pm

    The favor was returned immediately. They stopped sending coal trains already. Let's see who blinks first. A country with political instability, full blown anarchy within military ranks and a president who has no control over his elite or a country with the 3rd largest military budget in the world and the world's largest resources and amazing human potential.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:08 pm

    Godric wrote:Russia needs to cut all ties to state 404 and let them fester in their own *rap and sit back and watch those retarded f*cks implode whilst continue destroying their economy and continue to support the good people of NovoRossiya

    Exactly

    I just hope that Russia will come to its senses and stop the gas price discounts, stop the loan restructuring proposals, stop trying to talk the Ukrainians out of banning Russian airliners, stop condemning the cut-offs of (not free) water/food/electricity/etc... to the Crimea, stop trying to preserve some economic links in this or that area.
    These events are all good things for Russia - why is Russia trying to stop the Ukraine making more mistakes?

    Ukraine is dead to Russia, there is no Ukraine, there is no Russian embassy there; it's all 404, page not found - and it's time Russia acknowledges this, completely ignores the burning-out chitinous husk of this once-country, stop all negotiations and this or that, and simply deal with any problems incurred via its own efforts and with its own instruments/industries.
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:44 pm

    I thought there was a Sanctions thread but in the interim. Sanctions extended another 6 months because they are not getting what they want from Russia... no surrender!

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://topwar.ru/86623-reuters-antirossiyskie-sankcii-resheno-prodlit-v-svyazi-s-vyborami-na-ukraine.html&usg=ALkJrhikWAU_H4aSEKQdaMwjUKQdqgld5w
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    Post  auslander Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:01 pm

    The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

    Our part of north side is scheduled for electric from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

    All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

    Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

    Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

    Militsiya have increased patrols.

    Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:39 pm

    Well it looks like terrorist act from where I am...
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:41 pm

    franco wrote:I thought there was a Sanctions thread but in the interim. Sanctions extended another 6 months because they are not getting what they want from Russia... no surrender!

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://topwar.ru/86623-reuters-antirossiyskie-sankcii-resheno-prodlit-v-svyazi-s-vyborami-na-ukraine.html&usg=ALkJrhikWAU_H4aSEKQdaMwjUKQdqgld5w

    Actually, this is good for Russia and Russia could prolonged its sanctions against the West for another year or more. In this time domestic producers have to replace all imports from the West and when sanctions will be canceled, they must not allow them to return to the Russian market. The big depression which is waiting EU and US next year will force them to beg Russia to stop sanctions, but Russia must stay firm and prolong with them in one way or another. Let the West feel effect of their own medicine.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:44 pm


    Oh, look at this:

    Ukraine's $3Bln Eurobond Debt to Russia 'A Rope Around Its Neck'

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20151122/1030533154/ukraine-debt-russia-restructuring.html

    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has determined that Ukraine’s $3 billion debt to Russia is sovereign and not commercial, as maintained by Kiev. Financial analyst Andrei Kiprovich says that, in any case, Ukraine will be forced to pay it back: it is like "a rope around its neck," with gallows in every direction.

    "Sovereign debt it is not just a debt owned by Ivan to John," he explained to Radio Sputnik. "It is a relationship between the states Ivan and John are living in. And, accordingly, the level of this debt does not depend on the willingness of a private individual to own up to it or not."
    Kiprovich further described the international system of law which stipulates that debts shall be either paid back or restructured. While Ukraine has tried to downgrade the obligation to the level of private borrowing, it is, by default, a debt between the states.

    Earlier this week Russia offered Ukraine a debt repayment restructuring plan envisaging three $1 billion yearly installments between 2016 and 2018, on the proviso that it is guaranteed by an international financial institution, the European Union or the United States.

    "The offer is rather simple," Kiprovich said. "You don’t pay in 2015, you’ll pay it in 2016, 2017, 2018, but on condition of special guarantees. And who will now underwrite a bankrupt?"

    All Ukraine’s suggestions, he added, are just "story-telling, with a rope around its neck."

    The expert however said that he believes it is unlikely that any of the suggested institutions or countries would volunteer to act as guarantors of the Ukrainian debt.

    "They need Ukraine essentially for the purpose of putting spokes in Russia’s wheels," he figuratively explained, "or creating military conflict with Russia."
    However he added that the only outcome will be that Kiev will be forced to pay its debt.

    "Whether you bow to the Kremlin or reject the rules by declaring your independence, at the end of the day there can be only one result – the debt must be paid back. For them, there are gallows all around, wherever they choose to go."

    Ukraine's $3 billion Eurobond debt to Russia was made in late 2013 by the previous government of Ukraine, under then-President Viktor Yanukovych. Ukraine's total government debt reached an all-time high in 2014, exceeding 70 percent of the country's GDP.

    On Friday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk rejected Russia's restructuring proposal for the repayment of Kiev's eurobond debt.
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    Post  medo Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:45 pm

    auslander wrote:The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

    Our part of north side is scheduled for electric  from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

    All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

    Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

    Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

    Militsiya have increased patrols.

    Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

       

    I think MChS from the mainland will bring enough generators to provide electricity in Crimea until energy bridge with the mainland will be finished at the end of the year. It is just one month to bring additional generators and fuel for them.
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:00 pm

    Donbas and Russia cut off coal supplies.
    Russia can also cut off Electricity. Not so much gas as the EU will have to cover stolen gas soon.
    Oil for weapons with ISIS drying up.
    West getting frustrated with Kiev, even USA getting critical.
    Syria pushed Ukraine out of the public attention.
    Default has started.

    So for the locals... when will the ground become firm enough for Tanks?

    Notice a sharp increase in the UAF and Ukrainian media claiming the NAF is violating the ceasefire... even a little in western media. Time is running out for them and desperate people = desperate actions.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:14 pm

    franco wrote:Donbas and Russia cut off coal supplies.
    Russia can also cut off Electricity. Not so much gas as the EU will have to cover stolen gas soon.
    Oil for weapons with ISIS drying up.
    West getting frustrated with Kiev, even USA getting critical.
    Syria pushed Ukraine out of the public attention.
    Default has started.

    So for the locals... when will the ground become firm enough for Tanks?

    Notice a sharp increase in the UAF and Ukrainian media claiming the NAF is violating the ceasefire... even a little in western media. Time is running out for them and desperate people = desperate actions.

    Excellent, desperate actions=stupid mistakes. thumbsup
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:25 pm

    medo wrote:
    auslander wrote:The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

    Our part of north side is scheduled for electric  from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

    All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

    Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

    Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

    Militsiya have increased patrols.

    Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

    I think MChS from the mainland will bring enough generators to provide electricity in Crimea until energy bridge with the mainland will be finished at the end of the year. It is just one month to bring additional generators and fuel for them.

    The energy bridge won't be finished till summer 2016.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:34 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    medo wrote:
    auslander wrote:The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

    Our part of north side is scheduled for electric  from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

    All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

    Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

    Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

    Militsiya have increased patrols.

    Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

    I think MChS from the mainland will bring enough generators to provide electricity in Crimea until energy bridge with the mainland will be finished at the end of the year. It is just one month to bring additional generators and fuel for them.

    The energy bridge won't be finished till summer 2016.

    There's something I don't get with these people. They hurl Krim ce Ukraina, but do everything to cut all Ukropian links with Crimea. Isn't this absurd? I mean they know that the energy the Ukropian won't charge to Crimea, means less cash for Ukropia? And hastens the switch from Ukrainian grid, to Russian, for good?

    It's like these were really "Huilo agentura".
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:13 pm

    There's something I don't get with these people. They hurl Krim ce Ukraina, but do everything to cut all Ukropian links with Crimea. Isn't this absurd? I mean they know that the energy the Ukropian won't charge to Crimea, means less cash for Ukropia? And hastens the switch from Ukrainian grid, to Russian, for good?

    It's like these were really "Huilo agentura".


    It's almost like they are trying to punish the people of Crimea for something... proof that the referendum results were correct if ever you needed it.
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    Post  auslander Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:41 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    medo wrote:
    auslander wrote:The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

    Our part of north side is scheduled for electric  from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

    All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

    Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

    Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

    Militsiya have increased patrols.

    Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

    I think MChS from the mainland will bring enough generators to provide electricity in Crimea until energy bridge with the mainland will be finished at the end of the year. It is just one month to bring additional generators and fuel for them.

    The energy bridge won't be finished till summer 2016.
    The first portion will be operational by the end of next month, possibly earlier with the current state of affairs. This will bring the first 25% of the planned power supply from Krasnodar Krai on line according to local officialdom two months ago.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:45 pm

    Any official comment from the russian government yet on this?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:32 pm

    Another shot straight on target, a foot, from Kiev.

    Legislators from Germany's parliament said that they were shocked after visiting the town of Gorlovka in Ukraine's war-stricken Donbass region.

    The legislators visited the town of Gorlovka, said to have been pounded by Ukrainian artillery for months in its war against local independence supporters. They brought humanitarian aid for the Gorlovka children's hospital and talked to officials of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic. "I have not seen images like that before my eyes before. After visiting these places, I can barely sleep at night," legislator Andrej Hunko said.

    The legislators initially attempted to send a humanitarian aid mission to the region through Kiev, but were forced to enter through Russia after Ukraine's government refused them entry. Ukraine's government condemned the German legislators' visit, calling it a "deliberate act of disrespect to the Ukrainian state."

    "I did not think that war would come to Europe. It is not needed, it must be stopped. After returning home, we will demand that Germany assists in every possible way in bringing about an end to this war, as well as develops relations with Russia," legislator Wolfgang Gehrcke said. Hunko told Germany's Die Welt newspaper that he attempted to organize the humanitarian mission in cooperation with the Ukrainian government, but his requests were denied.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151122/1030546356/ukraine-donbass-german-humanitarian-mission.html#ixzz3sErHbyqi
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:50 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:Any official comment from the russian government yet on this?

    Looks pretty official to me Cool

    ''Russia ceases coal deliveries to Ukraine in response to Crimea blackout''

    http://fortruss.blogspot.rs/2015/11/russia-ceases-coal-deliveries-to.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:Any official comment from the russian government yet on this?

    Looks pretty official to me Cool

    ''Russia ceases coal deliveries to Ukraine in response to Crimea blackout''

    http://fortruss.blogspot.rs/2015/11/russia-ceases-coal-deliveries-to.html
    And

    MOSCOW, November 22. /TASS/. Ukraine has turned down Russia’s assistance in resuming electricity supplies to Crimea and said it will do repair works on its own, an insider source told TASS on Sunday.

    "Russia offered its help to Ukraine. They turned it down. Contact are maintained on a permanent basis. Ukraine will do repair work on its own," the source said.

    Crimea was cut off electricity supplies at 00:22 a.m. Moscow time. Electricity supplies were disrupted via all the four transmission lines running from Ukraine. Two of them went out of service on Friday when transmission towers were damaged. The other two were blown up last night. Crimea’s authorities have imposed a state of emergency regime. The incident has caused electricity problems to consumers in Ukraine too.

    "The Ukrainian authorities are interested in the soonest resumption of electricity. Now demining works are underway there," the source said.
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:47 pm

    Why are you using cursive for all your texts rather than quote?
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    Post  ultron Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:37 am

    I take it they don't care about implementing Minsk anymore?

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