The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like Kiev is short of cash again.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Moscow is yet to receive a prepayment from Kiev for its winter-time natural gas deliveries to Ukraine, Russia's Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Saturday. "We have not received any money yet, the last tranche came in on November 5," Novak told reporters.

This is not the first time that Kiev falls behind on gas payments to Russia. Its state gas company Gazprom estimates that Ukraine's energy major Naftogaz owes it $256.5 million in arrears for gas delivered to southeastern Ukraine for 2015, according to the company’s financial report published last week.

Moscow renewed gas deliveries to Ukraine after receiving $234 million in prepayment out of the agreed $500 from Naftogaz.

In September, Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission initiated a winter package deal for supplies during the peak consumption period between October 1, 2015 and March 31, 2016. It will ensure the delivery of 2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine’s underground storage at discounted prices.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151121/1030502753/gas-deliveries-ukraine-prepayment.html#ixzz3s8bnihTH

Waiting to see if Moscow excuses them for this transgression too, and keeps the gas pumping while no payment has yet been reached.

The Ukrainian side understands only force, they scream and shout for Russian blood and then when they get their ass handed to them in the latest incompetently-led military assault, they cry for Western support against Russian aggression.
They are not interested in negotiations, seriously.

flamming_python wrote:Waiting to see if Moscow excuses them for this transgression too, and keeps the gas pumping while no payment has yet been reached.

PapaDragon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:...................................................

They're short of cash, but also are pulling this shit again in order to bargain, again. Look forward for EU delegation to talk with Gazprom, again. It's a disgrace.

Given the amount of time Gazprom spends talking with EU delegations over this you would think it is a country and not a company...

KoTeMoRe wrote:Retards who blocked disaster area in Herson.


https://twitter.com/imerkouri/status/668221498012905472

Crimean Tatar with pindos flavour.

auslander wrote:This is true, power went out for parts of north side at almost the stroke of midnight. Supposedly power service to all of north side fed from southside was instituted late last year. Apparently this was not done and there's about 20,000 irritated northsiders who better damned sight get power back soon.

Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.

Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

auslander wrote:This is true, power went out for parts of north side at almost the stroke of midnight. Supposedly power service to all of north side fed from southside was instituted late last year. Apparently this was not done and there's about 20,000 irritated northsiders who better damned sight get power back soon.

Weather is fortunately quite soft, I'm sitting in my office since I returned with my window open. That will end tomorrow.

Having a clear view of most of City from our valley, in late summer when power went down for a few hours we apparently have the only private generator on northside. Go figure.

If there was ever any better pretext to go to war, I have yet to see it. Stay safe out there Auslander.

Godric wrote:Russia needs to cut all ties to state 404 and let them fester in their own *rap and sit back and watch those retarded f*cks implode whilst continue destroying their economy and continue to support the good people of NovoRossiya

franco wrote:I thought there was a Sanctions thread but in the interim. Sanctions extended another 6 months because they are not getting what they want from Russia... no surrender!

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://topwar.ru/86623-reuters-antirossiyskie-sankcii-resheno-prodlit-v-svyazi-s-vyborami-na-ukraine.html&usg=ALkJrhikWAU_H4aSEKQdaMwjUKQdqgld5w

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has determined that Ukraine’s $3 billion debt to Russia is sovereign and not commercial, as maintained by Kiev. Financial analyst Andrei Kiprovich says that, in any case, Ukraine will be forced to pay it back: it is like "a rope around its neck," with gallows in every direction.

"Sovereign debt it is not just a debt owned by Ivan to John," he explained to Radio Sputnik. "It is a relationship between the states Ivan and John are living in. And, accordingly, the level of this debt does not depend on the willingness of a private individual to own up to it or not."
Kiprovich further described the international system of law which stipulates that debts shall be either paid back or restructured. While Ukraine has tried to downgrade the obligation to the level of private borrowing, it is, by default, a debt between the states.

Earlier this week Russia offered Ukraine a debt repayment restructuring plan envisaging three $1 billion yearly installments between 2016 and 2018, on the proviso that it is guaranteed by an international financial institution, the European Union or the United States.

"The offer is rather simple," Kiprovich said. "You don’t pay in 2015, you’ll pay it in 2016, 2017, 2018, but on condition of special guarantees. And who will now underwrite a bankrupt?"

All Ukraine’s suggestions, he added, are just "story-telling, with a rope around its neck."

The expert however said that he believes it is unlikely that any of the suggested institutions or countries would volunteer to act as guarantors of the Ukrainian debt.

"They need Ukraine essentially for the purpose of putting spokes in Russia’s wheels," he figuratively explained, "or creating military conflict with Russia."
However he added that the only outcome will be that Kiev will be forced to pay its debt.

"Whether you bow to the Kremlin or reject the rules by declaring your independence, at the end of the day there can be only one result – the debt must be paid back. For them, there are gallows all around, wherever they choose to go."

Ukraine's $3 billion Eurobond debt to Russia was made in late 2013 by the previous government of Ukraine, under then-President Viktor Yanukovych. Ukraine's total government debt reached an all-time high in 2014, exceeding 70 percent of the country's GDP.

On Friday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk rejected Russia's restructuring proposal for the repayment of Kiev's eurobond debt.

auslander wrote:The city is on energy rationing. Districts south of the harbor, depending on where they are, are included in the rationing, City Center with all government admin is not.

Our part of north side is scheduled for electric  from 15-18 today, 00:00-03, 09-12 and 18-21 tomorrow. Weather should remain moderate for the next 8-10 days, no frost.

All shops and magazines in the power rationed areas are of affected by the outages. Hospitals have all been either kept on line or for areas where that is not possible Navy generator units have provided them with auxiliary power units so they can continue operations.

Shops and magazines with perishable foods are selling the foods off at not much above cost. All heating plants without in house electricity generators for in house power supply are shut down.

Petrol stations are all down when power is out except for the big one at Yalta Ring, they have generators. That station is now out of petrol and diesel and awaiting deliveries.

Militsiya have increased patrols.

Schools in the affected areas will be closed tomorrow.

   

franco wrote:Donbas and Russia cut off coal supplies.
Russia can also cut off Electricity. Not so much gas as the EU will have to cover stolen gas soon.
Oil for weapons with ISIS drying up.
West getting frustrated with Kiev, even USA getting critical.
Syria pushed Ukraine out of the public attention.
Default has started.

So for the locals... when will the ground become firm enough for Tanks?

Notice a sharp increase in the UAF and Ukrainian media claiming the NAF is violating the ceasefire... even a little in western media. Time is running out for them and desperate people = desperate actions.