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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:48 pm

    I agree completely and hence why you should contact your representative and opposition.  Simply put, you need to voice your opinion. Maybe even start petitioning to get others to voice theirs.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:30 pm

    Some of you people have got to stop comparing methods employed in Syria with methods employed in Nulandstan.

    Remember, every time Russia "escalates" a situation, NATO mirrors it by about a power of ten, with absolutely no regard for Armageddon style consequences. Caution is the name of the game.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:48 pm

    What does she expect? She doesn't actually think that Kiev has a say in this does she? The Overlords will tell the vassal what to do at the right time, whilst quite pointedly making the ramming home as to who exactly is the underdog. This Finance Minister has obviously not been on the 'keeping up appearances with the press' PR course.


    Interfax Kiev: Ukraine has not yet any formal Russian proposal on debt restructuring – finance minister

    Ukraine's Ministry of Finance had no official proposals from Russia as of November 18 with regard to the Russian version of the debt restructuring for the amount of $3 billion in Eurobonds, which come due at the end of December 2015, the Ukrainian finance minister, Natalie Jaresko, said. "No, Ukraine has received nothing yet," she told reporters in a short commentary in Kyiv on Wednesday and then avoided further questions.

    It was reported earlier that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed restructuring the Ukrainian Eurobond debt for three years on November 16. The International Monetary Fund attempted to persuade Russia to agree on the postponement of repayments of the Ukrainian debt until 2016, Putin said.




    Also from Interfax but from the Russian side. Ukraine definitely going to be told, sorry, consulted!

    Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told reporters.

    "We've sent out proposals to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as the IMF is forming the aid program for Ukraine. Since we are talking about restructuring, the issue of additional financing must be decided via the program via the Fund's shareholders. Therefore the Finance Ministry has been discussing this issue with the Fund's shareholders and has submitted a formal proposal to the IMF. I personally wrote the letter to Ms. Lagarde. They've said they will look at it closely," he said.

    "I'm not ruling out [a meeting with Ukraine]. There have not been any decisions on this yet, but if our proposals are accepted, then of course we'll be meeting with our Ukrainian colleagues," he said.

    "We are prepared to discuss it with Ukraine. Firstly, we didn't see our colleagues from Ukraine [at the G20 summit in Antalya]. Secondly, there was a meeting between the president and the head of the IMF, at which these proposals were made. Of course it is important for us that these proposals are also understood by the IMF, by the key shareholders of the IMF and of course Ukraine," Siluanov said.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:24 am

    They are starting to do the sums in Kiev and are probably starting to panic a bit. This joining the EU without Russia's support is looking like an agricultural disaster. At least food should be cheaper for the locals as it floods the markets looking for new customers to replace Russia. One thing is for certain, the EU won't want it.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Ukraine could lose up to $600 million in export revenue after Russia scales up trade barriers with the country once the European Union's free trade zone with Ukraine comes into effect, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said. "We are preparing for the free trade zone agreement to be enacted from January 1 next year…We are also preparing for Russia to introduce trade barriers against Ukraine. Ukraine had evaluated its losses from Russia imposing such an embargo. At least for 2016 we can give a preliminary estimate of Ukraine losing around 600 million dollars in exports to Russia," Yatsenyuk told the cabinet on Wednesday.

    Russia will ban agricultural and food import from Ukraine from January 1, according to Russian's economic development minister Alexei Ulyukayev's Wednesday statement. Ukraine's currently untaxed trade with Russia cannot continue once it enters into a free trade zone with Europe, the minister said.

    In an attempt to resolve Ukraine's imminent loss, Yatsenyuk ordered the country's foreign ministry to jointly calculate the potential loss with the European Union, and to work out a common plan for overcoming any potential negative consequences of the Russian embargo.

    Russia previously expressed concern at possible consequences of the economic part of Ukraine's association agreement with the European Union, stressing that it will act to protect its market from an uncontrolled inflow of cheap food imports from the bloc.

    Europe's agricultural produce is heavily subsidized under the union's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). According to the European Commission, the European Union spent almost €60 billion on financing the CAP in 2014.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151119/1030364111/ukraine-loses-millions.html#ixzz3rtNbHmcL
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:19 am

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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:52 am

    Russia bans food imports from Ukraine starting from January 1st.

    This move does a lot more damage to Ukraine than the 3 billion loan repayment timing.

    Farmers
    Agriculture industry
    Food processing industry
    Food transport companies
    etc.

    They will all feel the squeeze and will have to blame Kiev policies

    In the meanwhile, on the other side of the border, importzamishenya (import substitution) continues full swing.

    Oh, by the way, produces from Donbass farmers are still welcome in Russia.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:04 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Russia bans food imports from Ukraine starting from January 1st.

    This move does a lot more damage to Ukraine than the 3 billion loan repayment timing.

    Farmers
    Agriculture industry
    Food processing industry
    Food transport companies
    etc.

    They will all feel the squeeze and will have to blame Kiev policies

    In the meanwhile, on the other side of the border, importzamishenya (import substitution) continues full swing.

    Oh, by the way, produces from Donbass farmers are still welcome in Russia.

    600/800 million USD estimated damage to Ukropia on first term. Due to low cost of UAH, this isn't going to hurt as much as it should have. The Europeans might as well spend a billion a year to maintai, the Ukropian market, or simply use this to privatize it.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:11 pm

    That quote from Ratsenyuk is his quoted loss.  Not what reality is, which tends to be two completely different things.

    But this will just mean that London will acquire even more land for next to nothing. Overall, Ukrainians are screwed and the country is for sale.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:51 pm

    Ukraine’s dairy, bakery sectors to be hard hit by Russian embargo — expert

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/837711
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:31 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/politics/837568
    Leader if Luhansk republic in Moscow being questioned in court over Ukrainian helicopter pilots trial.  He gives his testimony.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:34 pm

    Food ban isnt final but it is due to EU and PUkraine agreements. So the ban would be treated like food ban from EU countries.

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/837786

    Medvedev gave strong words to Ukraine and EU over the $3B debt:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/837748
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:05 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Russia bans food imports from Ukraine starting from January 1st.

    This move does a lot more damage to Ukraine than the 3 billion loan repayment timing.

    Farmers
    Agriculture industry
    Food processing industry
    Food transport companies
    etc.

    They will all feel the squeeze and will have to blame Kiev policies

    In the meanwhile, on the other side of the border, importzamishenya (import substitution) continues full swing.

    Oh, by the way, produces from Donbass farmers are still welcome in Russia.

    600/800 million USD estimated damage to Ukropia on first term. Due to low cost of UAH, this isn't going to hurt as much as it should have. The Europeans might as well spend a billion a year to maintai, the Ukropian market, or simply use this to privatize it.
    From Interfax. So much for EU help. Basically saying, you made the decision, you have known about this for a long time, we have given you money to help adjust, now learn to live with it.


    European Commissioner Hahn: EU will not refund Ukraine loss of Russian market after FTA introduction

    The European Union will not compensate Ukraine for the loss of the Russian market after the introduction of a free trade area (FTA) between Ukraine and the EU from January 1, 2016, European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn has said. "Of course, we have been and are still against any actions that impede trade, but we have issued a lot of money to Ukrainian businesses so that they could prepare for new export opportunities and new market conditions," he said in an interview with the Yevropeiska Pravda (European Truth) edition. "Let's frankly say that since that time we agreed on a FTA it was not a secret that after its introduction Russia could respond whether we like it or not and there was enough time to prepare for this," the commissioner said.

    Hahn also noted that the implementation of the Association Agreement will be a serious challenge for Ukraine.

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    Post  auslander Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Russia bans food imports from Ukraine starting from January 1st.

    This move does a lot more damage to Ukraine than the 3 billion loan repayment timing.

    Farmers
    Agriculture industry
    Food processing industry
    Food transport companies
    etc.

    They will all feel the squeeze and will have to blame Kiev policies

    In the meanwhile, on the other side of the border, importzamishenya (import substitution) continues full swing.

    Oh, by the way, produces from Donbass farmers are still welcome in Russia.

    600/800 million USD estimated damage to Ukropia on first term. Due to low cost of UAH, this isn't going to hurt as much as it should have. The Europeans might as well spend a billion a year to maintai, the Ukropian market, or simply use this to privatize it.
    From Interfax. So much for EU help. Basically saying, you made the decision, you have known about this for a long time, we have given you money to help adjust, now learn to live with it.


    European Commissioner Hahn: EU will not refund Ukraine loss of Russian market after FTA introduction

    The European Union will not compensate Ukraine for the loss of the Russian market after the introduction of a free trade area (FTA) between Ukraine and the EU from January 1, 2016, European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn has said. "Of course, we have been and are still against any actions that impede trade, but we have issued a lot of money to Ukrainian businesses so that they could prepare for new export opportunities and new market conditions," he said in an interview with the Yevropeiska Pravda (European Truth) edition. "Let's frankly say that since that time we agreed on a FTA it was not a secret that after its introduction Russia could respond whether we like it or not and there was enough time to prepare for this," the commissioner said.

    Hahn also noted that the implementation of the Association Agreement will be a serious challenge for Ukraine.


    Kherson Oblast will wither and die on the vine, they live and die for Krim. The current food embargo from 404 on Krim is simply a tax on cross border trade, nothing more, and going in to Mejlis and right sector coffers.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:53 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Russia bans food imports from Ukraine starting from January 1st.

    This move does a lot more damage to Ukraine than the 3 billion loan repayment timing.

    Farmers
    Agriculture industry
    Food processing industry
    Food transport companies
    etc.

    They will all feel the squeeze and will have to blame Kiev policies

    In the meanwhile, on the other side of the border, importzamishenya (import substitution) continues full swing.

    Oh, by the way, produces from Donbass farmers are still welcome in Russia.

    600/800 million USD estimated damage to Ukropia on first term. Due to low cost of UAH, this isn't going to hurt as much as it should have. The Europeans might as well spend a billion a year to maintai, the Ukropian market, or simply use this to privatize it.
    From Interfax. So much for EU help. Basically saying, you made the decision, you have known about this for a long time, we have given you money to help adjust, now learn to live with it.


    European Commissioner Hahn: EU will not refund Ukraine loss of Russian market after FTA introduction

    The European Union will not compensate Ukraine for the loss of the Russian market after the introduction of a free trade area (FTA) between Ukraine and the EU from January 1, 2016, European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations Johannes Hahn has said. "Of course, we have been and are still against any actions that impede trade, but we have issued a lot of money to Ukrainian businesses so that they could prepare for new export opportunities and new market conditions," he said in an interview with the Yevropeiska Pravda (European Truth) edition. "Let's frankly say that since that time we agreed on a FTA it was not a secret that after its introduction Russia could respond whether we like it or not and there was enough time to prepare for this," the commissioner said.

    Hahn also noted that the implementation of the Association Agreement will be a serious challenge for Ukraine.


    OMG is this for real? I'm facepalming so hard right now. So hard.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:40 am

    I heard that Ukraine is going to forbid (Ukrainian) men till 45 years from leaving the country.
    Can anyone confirm that?
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:51 am

    sepheronx wrote:Food ban isnt final but it is due to EU and PUkraine agreements. So the ban would be treated like food ban from EU countries.

    http://tass.ru/en/economy/837786

    Russia is giving EU and Ukraina the final chance. If they know how to behave, then Russia will do things with benevolence. If not, well,...
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:58 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:I heard that Ukraine is going to forbid (Ukrainian) men till 45 years from leaving the country.
    Can anyone confirm that?
    Yes I saw that, from Jan 1st as part of the next round of mobilisation.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:18 pm

    Guys, remember this speech and start your countdown. Twisted Evil

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/361495/yatseniuk_ukraine_will_stop_using_russian_gas_in_10_years

    Yatseniuk: Ukraine will stop using Russian gas in 10 years
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:20 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Guys, remember this speech and start your countdown. Twisted Evil

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/361495/yatseniuk_ukraine_will_stop_using_russian_gas_in_10_years

    Yatseniuk: Ukraine will stop using Russian gas in 10 years

    He is no more in less then two years more likely even less than that.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:40 pm

    The Ukrops didn't accept Russia's last conditions for restructering that 3 billion loan. Now we're back to square one. The EU has bailed out it seems.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Guys, remember this speech and start your countdown. Twisted Evil

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/361495/yatseniuk_ukraine_will_stop_using_russian_gas_in_10_years

    Yatseniuk: Ukraine will stop using Russian gas in 10 years

    Oh well. Why not.
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    Post  SturmGuard Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:34 pm

    He is correct, but overly pessimistic. This time next year, UkrOps could become totally free of Russian gas.

    Due to not being able to pay for it.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:42 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:I heard that Ukraine is going to forbid (Ukrainian) men till 45 years from leaving the country.
    Can anyone confirm that?

    I am surprised there are any under 45 left in 404 anymore... this is 2015, pack your sh*t and get across the border ASAP.  pwnd

    Neutrality wrote:The Ukrops didn't accept Russia's last conditions for restructering that 3 billion loan. Now we're back to square one. The EU has bailed out it seems.

    So all that noise we had here over those 3 billion was just a waste of server space? Thank you all who contributed... No
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:So all that noise we had here over those 3 billion was just a waste of server space? Thank you all who contributed... No

    Pretty much. Now Moscow says that the ball is completely in Kiev's camp. I think even the IMF are starting to get pissed off with Kiev's attitude because they were very positive about Moscow's proposal.
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    Post  par far Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:13 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Guys, remember this speech and start your countdown. Twisted Evil

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/361495/yatseniuk_ukraine_will_stop_using_russian_gas_in_10_years

    Yatseniuk: Ukraine will stop using Russian gas in 10 years


    He is right, in 10 years, Ukraine might not even exist as country.

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