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    Post  Vann7 Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:04 am

    sepheronx wrote:The UN is turning into a bigger joke than ever. Now they instituted Ukraine in the security councel? A nation whom was mass killing their own people, blame Russia for all their issues, has territorial problems, mass economic problems and also calling to assist ISIS as long as it hurt Russians?  I would have made it clear that if such a move is taken, it will bring the UN to a complete incompatable system, and Russia will act regardless what UN says or does, rendering it completepy useless.

    This is a terrible joke beyond proportions. It makes more sense to add North Korea to it instead.  Same group has Saudi Arabia overlooking the human rights portion of it.

    This is likely done to totally discredit United Nations and international laws signed there..
    For the US imperialism to continue.. United Nations needs to cease to exist as any credible
    institution.  Russia for example have the UN international laws card to claim US actions in
    Syria are illegal.. if you totally destroy UN ,then no longer international laws will apply for any
    US action.  Saudi Arabia now leads the human rights.. just figure that.. they are simply trying
    to totally neutralize any small relevance UN nations laws could have ,so US could get away with
    breaking international laws again and again.

    UN might be a worthless institution for justice and world peace.. and totally corrupt..
    but at least the international laws and security counsel give Russia and all the non NATO nations a legal moral right how to denounce US/NATO and Israel Unlawful actions in the world.. actions in the middle east. and is my opinion they are very likely trying to totally make UN irrelevant.. why the move of saudi to HR.. and Ukraine to Security.

    All said United Nations is a necessary bad thing to have.. that is better having it..than not..
    Without it.. No country will need permission of UN to invade another or to declare war..
    Without losing moral high ground.. So at very least.. UN helps to create a forum for
    international public opinion. and can make legal or not military actions of any nation.


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    Post  sepheronx Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:10 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The UN is turning into a bigger joke than ever. Now they instituted Ukraine in the security councel? A nation whom was mass killing their own people, blame Russia for all their issues, has territorial problems, mass economic problems and also calling to assist ISIS as long as it hurt Russians?  I would have made it clear that if such a move is taken, it will bring the UN to a complete incompatable system, and Russia will act regardless what UN says or does, rendering it completepy useless.

    This is a terrible joke beyond proportions. It makes more sense to add North Korea to it instead.  Same group has Saudi Arabia overlooking the human rights portion of it.

    This is likely done to totally discredit United Nations and international laws signed there..
    For the US imperialism to continue.. United Nations needs to cease to exist as any credible
    institution.  Russia for example have the UN international laws card to claim US actions in
    Syria are illegal.. if you totally destroy UN ,then no longer international laws will apply for any
    US action.  Saudi Arabia now leads the human rights.. just figure that.. they are simply trying
    to totally neutralize any small relevance UN nations laws could have ,so US could get away with
    breaking international laws again and again.

    UN might be a worthless institution for justice and world peace.. and totally corrupt..
    but at least the international laws and security counsel give Russia and all the non NATO nations a legal moral right how to denounce US/NATO and Israel Unlawful actions in the world.. actions in the middle east. and is my opinion they are very likely trying to totally make UN irrelevant.. why the move of saudi to HR.. and Ukraine to Security.

    It needs to be moved. Maybe to South Africa, or maybe to Argentina. Iceland more likely best candidate. But it has to be moved from the US.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:23 pm

    Ukrops are using infantry, mortars, RPG and occasionaly tanks and artillery to push against the front at Gorlovka along the line Maiorsk, Zhovanka, Zaitsev, Golmovskiy. OSCE have said ukrops are using 82 and 60mm mortars, 60mm being American. A build up of ukrops formations is seen at Konstankinovka and Artemovsk, and an attack, whether full or as a diversion for something bigger elsewhere, for instance Volnovakha, is thought to be possible. VSN at the Gorlovka front are now on permanent yellow alert. On the SW side of Donetsk a build up of ukrops Grad and D-30 batteries seen at Maksimilyanovka, just to the west of Marinka.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:07 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Ukrops are using infantry, mortars, RPG and occasionaly tanks and artillery to push against the front at Gorlovka along the line Maiorsk, Zhovanka, Zaitsev, Golmovskiy. OSCE have said ukrops are using 82 and 60mm mortars, 60mm being American. A build up of ukrops formations is seen at Konstankinovka and Artemovsk, and an attack, whether full or as a diversion for something bigger elsewhere, for instance Volnovakha, is thought to be possible. VSN at the Gorlovka front are now on permanent yellow alert. On the SW side of Donetsk a build up of ukrops Grad and D-30 batteries seen at Maksimilyanovka, just to the west of Marinka.

    Looks like Minsk2 has twisted ukrop's balls harder than we thought if they are trying to pull this lame desperate crap so early. One of the following will happen:

    a) NAF will fry their worthless asses. (TOS & Luna ballistic missiles we delivered for exactly this eventuality)  

    b) Merkel will step on them even harder than usual. EU local BS, refugees, Syria and economy leave little room for soon-to-be-dead countries.

    c) All of the above Razz

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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Looks like Minsk2 has twisted ukrop's balls harder than we thought if they are trying to pull this lame desperate crap so early. One of the following will happen:

    a) NAF will fry their worthless asses. (TOS & Luna ballistic missiles we delivered for exactly this eventuality)     

    b) Merkel will step on them even harder than usual. EU local BS, refugees, Syria and economy leave little room for soon-to-be-dead countries.

    c) All of the above Razz

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    I think that the danger comes from irrationality of the junta. I suspect that if not at the moment, but soon enough, they will realise that they either pack their suitcases and run, or end up dangling from lamp post. I think that if they do not run, then they will act on self survival and ignore Merkel and even Obama and launch offensive as a last desperate act, hoping to at least seriously wound Donbass and creating difficulties while Russia is occupied in Syria and may not want to also act in Donbass at the same time. These are things we cannot know of course, but I think that we should seriously consider not being diverted by Minsk or anything that any politician from either side says, and look at human nature. We know they wanted to attack in late August early September, we can reasonably suspect that Washington wants them to attack, we want them to attack, in military terms as civilians will have a different view of course. Putin may or may not want them to attack, I suspect no, Merkel does not want them to attack. Putin has no influence over Kiev, Merkel has no influence other than dangling carrot of Euros in front of them. Odds are that if Kiev wants to attack and Washington, their only serious backer, wants them to attack, they will attack. I would think that Washington has already made a descision and what we wait for is a set of circumstances to occur in Syria that Washington has decided will be a "go, no go" point. A wild guess would be a rout of ISIL and all the others into primarily Iraq, but possibly also Turkey and Jordan, and that may happen very suddenly.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:03 pm

    Basurin has announced that withdrawl of weapons by VSN under Minsk agreements is halted. He says this is a temporary suspention until 21 October because essentially there is no ceasefire. But it must be presumed that if Ukrops do not stop making these small attacks, then withdrawl of weapons will not resume on or after 21 October, and the flow reversed....
    http://dan-news.info/politics/nachalo-novogo-etapa-otvoda-vooruzheniya-v-dnr-pereneseno-na-21-oktyabrya-basurin.html
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    Post  Monarchist Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:11 pm



    More proof that Khazarcenko been an Akhmetov mole working for the oligarchs since day one.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:28 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Basurin has announced that withdrawl of weapons by VSN under Minsk agreements is halted. He says this is a temporary suspention until 21 October because essentially there is no ceasefire. But it must be presumed that if Ukrops do not stop making these small attacks, then withdrawl of weapons will not resume on or after 21 October, and the flow reversed....
    http://dan-news.info/politics/nachalo-novogo-etapa-otvoda-vooruzheniya-v-dnr-pereneseno-na-21-oktyabrya-basurin.html

    It is good to hear that the DPR leadership is not completely ignoring reality.
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    Post  auslander Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:40 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Basurin has announced that withdrawl of weapons by VSN under Minsk agreements is halted. He says this is a temporary suspention until 21 October because essentially there is no ceasefire. But it must be presumed that if Ukrops do not stop making these small attacks, then withdrawl of weapons will not resume on or after 21 October, and the flow reversed....
    http://dan-news.info/politics/nachalo-novogo-etapa-otvoda-vooruzheniya-v-dnr-pereneseno-na-21-oktyabrya-basurin.html

    I agree with your synopsis in this and the previous post. The situation in Novorossiya is tense, very much so, but I do not think UGIL will attack without orders from DC. EU doesn't matter one whit, the lot of them are nothing but the miniature poodles of DC who only bark on command from Foggy Bottom. The situation between Syria, EU and Novorossiya will be very fluid over the next two weeks or so, mainly because DC has yet to figure out what happened in Syria so quickly and how their carefully and lengthy designed plans fell apart in two days. However, they are quite resourceful and cunning and will not stop, never stop, with their grand plan.

    We look for more sanctions within two weeks or less and these might hurt, EU economy be damned.

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    Post  Khepesh Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:20 pm

    Today three senior members of "Svoboda" were interogated about the killing of the "Heavenly Hundred" at maidan. It was already known that Igor Yankov has been accused of sniping from his room in hotel "Ukraine", and now Alexander Sych and Oleg Pankevich are also accused. All three are investigated on the basis of audio, photo and video material seized from their homes. Tyagnibok is not happy and says, "This government has gone mad. We see at the top cynics, liars and scoundrels." I would add also at the middle and the bottom, in fact all of them everywhere, Tyagnibok himself being one of the most prominent of these scum.
    http://nahnews.org/386175-tyagnibok-v-shoke-nacionalistov-svobody-obvinyayut-v-rasstrelax-nebesnoj-sotni/
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:46 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Today three senior members of "Svoboda" were interogated about the killing of the "Heavenly Hundred" at maidan. It was already known that Igor Yankov has been accused of sniping from his room in hotel "Ukraine", and now Alexander Sych and Oleg Pankevich are also accused. All three are investigated on the basis of audio, photo and video material seized from their homes. Tyagnibok is not happy and says, "This government has gone mad. We see at the top cynics, liars and scoundrels." I would add also at the middle and the bottom, in fact all of them everywhere, Tyagnibok himself being one of the most prominent of these scum.
    http://nahnews.org/386175-tyagnibok-v-shoke-nacionalistov-svobody-obvinyayut-v-rasstrelax-nebesnoj-sotni/

    This won't create any friction... lol1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:45 am

    Pukrainian democrazy in achtung... Wink

    If next Sunday elections to the Verkhovna Rada, the Party "People's Front," the prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk scored to only 1% of the vote and did not get to parliament.

    This follows from the survey of sociological group "Rating" published on its website.
    At the same time, "Block Poroshenko" would garner 13% of votes, "Motherland", "self-help" and "opposition bloc" - 11%, the Radical Party Lyashko - 7%, "Right Sector" - 6%, "Liberty" - 5 %.

    Other political forces would not overcome the 5% barrier.

    Rating Yatsenyuk party has fallen to 1% - poll
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:51 am

    Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34425454

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink

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    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хорошёвский_район

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoroshyovsky_District

    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:59 am

    ^ voted up, excellent debunk thumbsup

    Train services from Donetsk to Russia resume for first time since war began I think. But at the moment very limited to one a day. A diesel powered train goes from Yasinovataya to Kvashino station at Uspenka border crossing. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/26440-v-dnr-zapuschen-ezhednevnyy-passazhirskiy-poezd-ot-donecka-do-granicy-rf.html

    Also a combine harvester was blown up and destroyed after hitting a mine in the Starabeshevo area, farmer unhurt. http://dan-news.info/obschestvo/v-starobeshevskom-rajone-dnr-podorvalsya-na-mine-kombajn-stoimostyu-15-mln-rublej.html
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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:14 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #22 - Page 14 CRd6MZDWwAAHJ8D

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34425454

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #22 - Page 14 CRd6L8gXAAABoIA

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #22 - Page 14 CRd7LL8XIAEAWja

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    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хорошёвский_район

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoroshyovsky_District

    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.

    Magnum, please completely understand I am not denigrating your excellent debunk work, it is absolutely first class!


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:32 am

    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!
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    Post  Erk Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:48 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    I am surprised there are many TOS-1 around, they didn't make that many of them. Quite short range I believe.
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    Post  Guest Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:52 am

    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    I am surprised there are many TOS-1 around, they didn't make that many of them. Quite short range I believe.

    From what i know actually biggest operator is Azerbaijan they bought 18 or so. Russia has 16, Iraq has 4, Kazakhstan has 4 most likely and that is about that at this moment.
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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    The amazing thing is OSCE 'spotted' a quite rare artillery system in a training area of Novorossiya yet for 18 months this same group of worthies could not see UGIL violating two cease fires 24/7 daily and using cluster and incendiary munitions against patently civilian areas all over DNR and LNR with the resultant civilian carnage. It is an amazement. Actually it does not affect my thoughts in regards to OSCE one whit, my opinion of the entire herd is they are so debased, beneath contempt and low they have to look up to see the iron shod soles of my boots.
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    Post  kvs Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:20 pm

    auslander wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    The amazing thing is OSCE 'spotted' a quite rare artillery system in a training area of Novorossiya yet for 18 months this same group of worthies could not see UGIL violating two cease fires 24/7 daily and using cluster and incendiary munitions against patently civilian areas all over DNR and LNR with the resultant civilian carnage. It is an amazement. Actually it does not affect my thoughts in regards to OSCE one whit, my opinion of the entire herd is they are so debased, beneath contempt and low they have to look up to see the iron shod soles of my boots.

    The era is dawning where this Orwellian BS from NATO will stop giving NATO any benefits but instead will bring it costs. NATO can lie, lie and deny
    but reality is no longer conforming to its whims.
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    Post  Godric Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:34 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    I am surprised there are many TOS-1 around, they didn't make that many of them. Quite short range I believe.

    From what i know actually biggest operator is Azerbaijan they bought 18 or so. Russia has 16, Iraq has 4, Kazakhstan has 4 most likely and that is about that at this moment.

    as far as I know Russia is developing a newer version with 10km range a improvement from the 6km range of the Tos-1A and more powerful thermobaric warheads
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    Post  Guest Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:21 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Obvious agitprop™️ is obvious. UK delegation to the OSCE claims that Russia is illegally supplying TOS-1 thermobaric flamerthrowers, to Novo forces in Novo controlled Khruhlyk....but there's one huge problem! Take a look at the photo of evidence of alleged illegality...notice something?

    ...Take a close look at the billboard behind the TOS-1. There's a billboard with a group photo of a family of adults and children on it, and to the upper left corner of them is a coat of arms that is a blue shield, with a yellow diamond containing a green tent. Take a closer look....Does that look familiar yet? Wink


    That's right, they're accusing Russia of illegally delivering TOS-1 flame throwers to Novo forces in Khruhlyk, Ukraine........By using a photo of TOS-1 taken in Russia Rolling Eyes ....and not just anywhere in Russia, but Moscow of all places Rolling Eyes ...The Khoroshyovsky District LMAO!!! These propagandists are getting sloppy as f*ck lol!!! lol1 Razz lol1 Razz

    I don't see a claim in either the post or on BBC that the photo in the post is of the actual unit. This was reported, as we know, a few days ago sans photo, the comments were generally 'where's the photo' and such. I state again, unless OSCE produces an actual, current and verifiable photo of the actual unit in the training area, then they are spouting bovine scatology as usual.  
    The item seems to have disappeared almost without trace now here in the UK. As you say, no photo no believe. I suppose all the OECD people have still got their 6310 phones and no-one even has a camera phone, let alone a smartphone. Think how much more powerful their press release would have been with a piccy!

    I am surprised there are many TOS-1 around, they didn't make that many of them. Quite short range I believe.

    From what i know actually biggest operator is Azerbaijan they bought 18 or so. Russia has 16, Iraq has 4, Kazakhstan has 4 most likely and that is about that at this moment.

    as far as I know Russia is developing a newer version with 10km range a improvement from the 6km range of the Tos-1A and more powerful  thermobaric warheads

    Idk about that, i am aware they are planning to place TOS like system on T14 chasis i think some people around the Internet dubbed it as TOS2 or BM2.

    It was mentioned here as "Боевая машина тяжелой огнеметной системы ТОС БМ-2 (замена всем известным ТОС-1 «Буратино» и ТОС-1А «Солнцепек»);" - http://vz.ru/society/2013/9/26/652197.html

    Its performance or anything else for that matter i do not know.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:52 pm

    I appreciate the thanks guys, but I wasn't the guy who conducted the debunk, it was Alex Bukovsky, and it was from his twitter handle:

    http://twitter.com/BungeeWedgie

    ^^^A good source of information.

    BTW, Obama's Ukraine policy in a nut shell...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CP2UmCrWIAA9o0Y.mp4
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:32 pm

    Europe starting to put Kiev in the MH-17 cross hairs?

    Politicians, intelligence officials and bodies responsible for monitoring airspace safety in Europe and Kiev were aware that civilian planes had to be diverted away from Ukraine before the MH17 crash but chose not to do so, Die Zeit reported. Europeans were partially blinded by politics and diplomacy, while Kiev to an extent acted out of greed, the influential German weekly added.

    The newspaper listed those responsible for determining whether the airspace above Ukraine was safe for flight with regard to the MH17 tragedy. These include the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine, Malaysia Airlines and Malaysia itself as the home country of the company which operated the flight. "Were the responsible authorities [in Kiev] positioned to decide [whether airspace above 10,000 feet was safe]?" Die Zeit asked. "Possibly not. A war-torn country has many worries: the safety of civilian planes is probably not a priority."

    One could argue that keeping people safe, especially those who have nothing to do with what was and still is happening in Ukraine, is a concern that has to be addressed even if it was not a priority. Lawyers representing relatives of the MH17 victims seem to share this sentiment. They insist that Ukraine left its airspace open in order not to lose overflight fees.

    The newspaper maintains that unlike Kiev and Europe, neither Malaysia Airlines nor Kuala Lumpur had all the information needed to convince them to introduce changes in their route map. Some airline companies diverted their planes away from Ukraine's airspace. Others did not want to incur additional losses and extend flight hours in a situation when they were not fully aware of the dangers.

    For their part, Europeans knew what was happening. "European intelligence services, diplomats and politicians were better positioned to asses risks with regard to Ukraine. They were closely monitoring the escalation of fighting but did not draw conclusions as to what this meant for the safety of airline passengers because, as the Dutch Safety Board's report states, 'The focus was mainly on military activities, and the geopolitical consequences of the conflict,'" the newspaper noted. In other words, European capitals "were blind in one eye," as Die Zeit put it.

    Risk management in aviation safety has to be improved. One way of addressing the issue is by creating an independent international agency, which will monitor conflict-ridden areas, the newspaper noted. Markus Wahl, a spokesman for German pilots' union Cockpit, is a vocal advocate of this approach. He also believes that the organization will have to gain access to military intelligence worldwide and will be able to close flight corridors for all airlines.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151018/1028700621/europe-kiev-ukraine-mh17-malaysia-airlines-airplane-crash.html#ixzz3ouzEKOB3
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:34 pm

    Desperate need makes strange bedfellows.

    Ukraine is buying 40,000 tons of coal a day from the separatists, a Kiev-based newspaper wrote, citing a government report on the purchase of coal in territories of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions that remain out of control of the Kiev authorities.

    “All our anthracite coal is coming from the uncontrolled territories… The mines are all there and we are still able to get it from there,” Korrespondent newspaper quoted Energy and Coal Minister Oleksandr Svetelik as saying on Saturday.

    Svetelik added that nearly as much coal was coming from Donbass areas, controlled by the government. The minister said that buying coal abroad now made no sense as the price of imported coal was almost twice that of the domestically produced coal. He also said that before November 1 Ukraine planned to store up 3.2 million tons of coal it needed for the winter season.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151018/1028698549/ukraine-coal-minister.html#ixzz3ouzyn7Vl

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