OminousSpudd wrote:Thinking of the Dutch Safety Board's investigation and its parallels with the Almaz-Antey one over a good brew this morning I've come to the conclusion that it is no coincidence that they are so similar. Nor is it a coincidence that Almaz-Antey's presentation was literally only hours before that of the Dutch Safety Board's.
It would also be fairly stupid to assume that Almaz-Antey is working without the MoD's er, blessing. I would say that what they have presented has already been shown in private to Shoigu and co. so as not to destroy the validity of the MoD's own analysis... which it hasn't I would like to point out.
With these points in mind what are we exactly seeing...
What I'm seeing is not just the concurrence of a Russian state asset with the highly publicised Dutch Safety Board, but also an interesting PR spin. In a way it is like Russia is endorsing the Safety Board's findings, while not actually endorsing the Safety Board's findings. Common plebs won't distinguish between a Russian Defence company and Moscow itself, especially not as time passes (and the Western Tabloid headlines get bored).
TLDR: This is an unofficial show of support for what was probably already known before the DSB's public release. Also makes Russia look like they're fighting for the good guys and the truth in the public eye.
There's my convoluted coffee riddled BS for the morning.
The dutch investigation seems more to me like the 9/11 commission of world trade center
attacks.. That the conclusion was made before any investigation began..
What I'm seeing is not just the concurrence of an idiot trying to defend a report by Dutch investigators completely ignoring any evidence presented to them that does not fit their
narrative.. but also an interesting PR spin of imbeciles ,trying to blame Russia for the shut down
of a civilian plane as if Russian Radars could not detect such huge target or as if Russia military
had anything to gain in shotting down a civilian plane.
Listen Son of a an accident . Every Commercial Civilian Airliner in the world have a transponder
,a device that send a signal to all europe and Russia to that all Airports in the world can know exactly which plane is.. and which route they traveling and even the number of the passenger plane.. All that information is full visible for any radar in the zone.. Russian radars covers ALL EUrope civilian flights and military too.. So the possibility that Russia shot down the Malasyan planes are ZERO... and since the Buk missiles depends of highly trained staff ,to operate them and guide the missiles by Radio.. (is not a fire and forget missile..its a complex system)
Then the possibility that a REbel could operate them without any experience is ZERO.. So neither Rebels could use a Buk..neither Russia could fire at a civilian plane.. Aside that the Rebels did not have Buk defenses. So it had to be someone else... and the only one left
is Ukraine.. And the very fact that Ukraine was responsible of the security of the civilian and that allowed it to fly to the middle of war zone..that their Airforce was losing planes every day..
The very fact that Ukraine allowed a civilian plane to fly over a very dangerous place.. puts them on the first list of directly responsible for the attack. Because it suggest that they were
trying to lure civilians planes into a war zone to get the rebels to shut it down..
the Dutch Investigation is a white wash of a crime.. nothing more and nothing else..
The Alma Antei investigation is an incomplete investigation that do not take into account
Russian Radars data ,witness and testimonies.. For example it could have been done by a combination of BUks + military planes attack.. The first attack by Su-25 small warhead air to air missiles and later finished by a Buk missile. Or simply there was no BUK at all.. and it was a false flag attack staged by the west to blame Russia for it.. In the Pentagon 9/11 and wtc center attacks for example the Bombs was already inside the buildings and the planes were used as a distraction.. in Short no one released any conclusive report of all that happened to
the malasyan plane and that was to be expected.. Dutch Government is an ally of Americans..
and you can't expect an US ally to release a report that helps Russia or that counter the western narrative.. The same Countries behind the Mh-17 investigation ..are the ones supporting Alqaeda and ISIS in Syria and that call Poroshenko a reformist and a man of peace.