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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:18 pm

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sbu-detains-commander-of-slobozhanschyna-battalion-in-kharkiv-on-suspicion-of-plotting-avakovs-assassination-397726.html


    SBU detains commander of Slobozhanschyna battalion in Kharkiv on suspicion of plotting Avakov's assassination

    A commander of the Slobozhanschyna special police patrol battalion was arrested in Kharkiv on Sept. 11 on suspicion of being one of the organizers of a group which was plotting the killings of high-ranking police officials, MPs, businessmen and volunteers, the press of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has reported.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:20 pm

    Of course the EU and Donetsk and Lugansk  agree to extend to 2016 the full implementation of  Minsk-2 .. since time is against Kiev.. pirat

    Now you see how it looks like Eastern Ukraine fully understand the strategy of minsk-2 that works not only in the favor of Lugansk and Donetsk but in the favor of all ethnic Russian in Ukraine.. Because the reforms if implemented in full ,will open the door for a nation wide rights
    for ethnic Russians and representation too in politics.

    Minsk-3 for example could be created to extend the rights of Donetsk and Lugansk to all
    ethnic Russians in all cities in Ukraine.  One thing leads to the other. This is called Full autonomy and/Or Independence through baby steps.   And when Kiev realize all the changes
    they have done , they will realize that minsk-2 basically reversed the coup of americans in kiev
    and no longer they have any more real power.. and their only function is to take bribes and stay quiet about it.

    . Somewhere i read that most of Minsk-2 points is exactly what Putin Proposed to France and Germany to fix the conflict.  Wink

    Is a real genius plan.. and it will work very swiftly if most of Europe germany and france stand firm and demand its implementation in full ,using the end of economical support to Ukraine and the end of the association to pressure kiev if not implement it..  

    If the unthinkable happens and kiev becomes a again a democratic country..as it was before the coup ,with yakunovych in power.. lets says Americans Give up with Ukraine and let Europeans take control of it.. Then you will see how the whole South Stream pipeline will no longer be needed at all.  and RUssia can show the middle finger to Turkey and Bulgaria. and relations
    with Ukraine restored.

    Minsk-2 was always a good idea.. the problem was Europe..pressure to its implementation was a key for its success.  The only  thing that can sabotage Minsk -2 now.. if we assume that Europe will keep the same pressure.. Is that Ukraine at orders of Americans provokes Russia into an Open War with them , by bombing Crimea or Russian cities.. or bombing  Russia peace forces in transnistria near Moldova. But i don't think it will be easy for Ukraine to justify that..
    and get away with it.. and once the war ends.. They will be demanded to go back to Minsk-2.. and return and return..until they no longer can continue with the pressure and do it . Already Germany Merkel told that they reserve the right to sanction Ukraine if they are the ones blocking the peace process. So It will not be a good idea for Poroshenko to do something like that.. annoy too much Europe and even provoke Russia into an open war doing something stupid.. His own economic future will be at risk if declared a war criminal and his arrest.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:35 pm

    It has Ukraine listed.


    The Global Refugee Crisis, Region by Region

    By PATRICK BOEHLER and SERGIO PEÇANHA UPDATED August 26, 2015

    A look at hot spots in what the United Nations says has
    become the worst migration crisis since World War II.


    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/09/world/migrants-global-refugee-crisis-mediterranean-ukraine-syria-rohingya-malaysia-iraq.html?_r=0
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:51 pm



    Well, c'mon already... angry

    Poroshenko Caught Calling for Renewed Operations in Donbass

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150911/1026892193/poroshenko-ukraine-military-operation.html#ixzz3lSQjSZDu
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    Post  Khepesh on Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:52 pm

    Breaking news from Gorlovka!
    Have you seen this missing cat, answers to the name "Vanya", please help.
    https://vk.com/donbass.media?w=wall-90561387_29761
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    I think "normal" news will resume next month, and not about cats....
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    Post  Neutrality on Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:12 pm

    It's good that finally the people in Donbass have some kind of rest. Hopefully for much longer than last time. The geopolitical arena is switching to Syria now that it's possible Russia could intervene in the fight against ISIS.
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    Post  medo on Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:04 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Well, c'mon already... angry

    Poroshenko Caught Calling for Renewed Operations in Donbass

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150911/1026892193/poroshenko-ukraine-military-operation.html#ixzz3lSQjSZDu

    Any Surprise? Poroshenko need to start new offensive as soon as possible. With any lost day winter is closer and without coal, gas and fuel rods for nuclear power plants, this winter will be long, cold and dark. Energy eclipse could also bring hunger in Ukraine. With using all fuel for tanks on the front and for electricity from diesel power units, there will be no fuel for farmers in the spring. If farmers could not go with their tractors on the fields, than no food will be produced. Euromaidanuts will bring Ukraine in really dark times.
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    Post  Erk on Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:47 am

    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Well, c'mon already... angry

    Poroshenko Caught Calling for Renewed Operations in Donbass

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150911/1026892193/poroshenko-ukraine-military-operation.html#ixzz3lSQjSZDu

    Any Surprise? Poroshenko need to start new offensive as soon as possible. With any lost day winter is closer and without coal, gas and fuel rods for nuclear power plants, this winter will be long, cold and dark. Energy eclipse could also bring hunger in Ukraine. With using all fuel for tanks on the front and for electricity from diesel power units, there will be no fuel for farmers in the spring. If farmers could not go with their tractors on the fields, than no food will be produced. Euromaidanuts will bring Ukraine in really dark times.

    Putting so many people at the eastern front, who are virtually doing nothing except getting bored, is an incredible waste of human resources that could be doing better things like working to help the economy. It's a deliberate choice by Kiev, who know the exact impact of their decisions, and obviously prefer to collapse the economy.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:01 am

    MOSCOW, September 11. /TASS/. Chief negotiator of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) in the Contact Group on Ukraine’s crisis settlement, Denis Pushilin, has been elected chairman of the DPR People’s Council, the Donetsk news agency reported on Friday. "A total of 76 deputies voted in support of Denis Pushilin’s election as chairman of the DPR People’s Council," the agency said.

    The former chairman of the People’s Council, Andrey Purgin, was dismissed on September 4 by the decision of the majority of DPR lawmakers. Denis Pushilin became acting speaker, in accordance with the rules of procedure. Purgin was dismissed for appointing Alexey Alexandrov as chief of the DPR parliament’s administrative office. The Council deputies regarded this as violation of the parliamentary procedure rules.

    Eduard Basurin appointed as DPR head’s envoy at people’s council. Deputy commander of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) defense ministry Eduard Basurin has been appointed as DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko’s envoy for issues of social protection of militiamen and their families at the People’s Council (the parliament of the unrecognized republic). The document on appointing Basurin to this post was published on Friday on the official website of the parliament. The decree orders to "appoint Colonel Eduard Alexandrovich Basurin as DPR head’s representative on issues of social protection of militiamen and their families at DPR People’s Council."

    Basurin said he will continue to serve as deputy commander of DPR defense ministry and combine this with his new post. "I will continue working at my current position and learn new responsibilities assigned to me by the head of the republic," Donetsk News Agency quoted Basurin as saying.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:11 am

    So Gazprom is supplying Donbas with Ukraine's gas after all. Kiev won't like this in the open.


    VIENNA, September 11. /TASS/. Russia’s major producer and exporter of natural gas, Gazprom, continues supplies of natural gas to Donbass in the framework of the effective with agreement with Ukraine’s oil and gas monopoly Naftogaz, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller told TASS on the eve of bilateral talks in Vienna. "It’s true, we continue supplies to Donbass and we’re doing this under the agreement with Naftogaz Ukrainy," he said.

    As TASS reported earlier, Energy Minister Alexander Novak said in June Russia would continue gas supplies to Donbass. "The supplies that betgan in February will continue," he said. "They’re included in the overall volume of the contract. These amounts have always been supplied to Ukraine.".
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    Post  Erk on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:12 am

    Why was Andrey Purgin dismissed?
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    Post  Guest on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:43 am

    Khepesh wrote:Breaking news from Gorlovka!
    Have you seen this missing cat, answers to the name "Vanya", please help.
    https://vk.com/donbass.media?w=wall-90561387_29761
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    I think "normal" news will resume next month, and not about cats....
    At least the people are finally getting a break.
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    Post  eehnie on Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:46 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Lol

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201509110744-yd27.htm

    I'm a little surprised about how Russia returned to Ukraine from Crimea the ship U360 Genichensk. And also I'm a little surprised about how the ship U802 Kalanchak was not returned instead.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:48 am

    What you are not told about the Refugee crisis.. must see..



    The video there shows Pakistanis migrants in Bulgaria.. This looks like and major
    undercover operation of Anglozionist powers to submit Europe into loyalty to American
    imperialism or else they will use the muslins as weapons against them to create a civil war
    and unrest in their cities..

    i have read already in youtube many Europeans saying they will migrate to Russia
    the day they allow shariaw allow in Europe..  lol1  Praising Russia for not allowing
    Americans to impose their will on them..

    Europe is really fucked...and major invasion of Jihadist radicals under the noses
    of Europe .. Im sure the Europeans taking refugees are really pressed to accept the
    refugees or face consequences.. Blackmailed by USA..  

    Europeans citizens really have no fucking idea of the time bomb , that this refugees entering
    their cities without being checked if infected with a mortal virus represent.  US government
    can easily infect with a lethal advanced virus any of this refugees ,just to use them as a trojan
    horse ,to port the virus to the heart of Europe and destroy the Tourism of that nation..

    This is american Government usual tactics.. to pressure Europe do what they want and
    split from RUssia. The best thing Europe can do is oppose American Imperialism.. no matter
    consequences.. American can target one country or two or three but not all Europe at same time. Europe united ,defending their interest , in alliance with RUssia can truly be a game
    changing thing and stop US illegal war not only in Ukraine but in Syria and IRAQ.. and end
    the migrant crisis.. return then back the ones of combat age back to their lands.

    Europe needs to take the example of Russia that defend its interest.. also of Most of LAtin
    American countries too.

    on a side note.. it is also possible that European Governments Hides the extremism of some of the migrants to avoid a major sectarian conflict on their cities
    and make things far worse.. that is a major racial conflict to trigger in all Europe a witch hunt against Muslins in their cities.. including the muslins that live for many years in Europe and have citizenship.  Is worth to mention that many muslins have many business in Europe and if they live it will seriously damage their economies.  

    IF you ask me.. i will kick all of the males of combat age , make illegal Islam ,prohibit
    any promotion of Islam in Europe on public and make illegal the use of Jihab or any clothing
    that could identify them as muslins. And ban all their meetings to read  Islam.

    There is a Bulgarian prophet [Baba Vanga] google it ..that already predicted since soviet times..
    This is way any conflict in middle east when there was peace there. That Europe will be invaded by Muslins ,and that muslins will fight them with biological/chemical weapons..and that will take control of their cities..and that Europe will be destroyed by them.. of course this predictions is not anymore prediction ..but a real possibility.. because stadistics already say that by 2050
    Muslins will be a majority in Europe. This is American /Zionist policy.. Islam is a very useful
    weapon they can use to destroy nations they need to attack. Used against Soviets in AFgan war ,against Syria and IRAQ and in Russia chechenia too....Americans ,and Israel are providing their islamic moderates with chemical weapons  to fight in Syria.. and it will not take long before this terrorist cross into Europe with those chemical and biological weapons they got from US and ISrael.  and attack any nations that wants to have good relations with RUssia...

    Is worth to notice that nations like Poland and baltic states ,the most rusophobic ones..and
    most loyal to US Imperialism.. is also worth to notice the UK also refuse to take refuges ..
    so the major allies of Americans ,,do not have to take many Syrian refugees..or none at all ,and only the nations friendly to Russia are pressure to do it.

    the so called "Syrian Refugees"comming from Turkey.. they all go directly to the nations more friendly to Russia.. and avoid the ones more hostile.. is this a coincidence? Not at all.  This does not means there are real good people ,real refugees seeking help.. only that the refugees could be used easily as Trojan Horse to infiltrate extremist groups.. armed with Chemical and Biolofical weapons..  A simple Biological attack with Ebola in france for example with 3-5 people killed will be enough to provoke a major catastrophe in France tourism. and sabotage its economy..  Im sure France but also Germany fully understand the Big Risk and will not maintain their inconditional support for  US and or Israel if something like that happens.

    Europe needs to united and form alliance with RUssia before is too late and Americans and Zionism destroy their countries.. A union of them will end in no time US imperialism , disband NATO ,and finally they will be able to sanction and isolate the nations arming ISIS like ISrael ,Turkey ,Saudi Arabia and totally isolate from the world Economy US allies. This will be enough
    to pressure them to end the wars in Middle east and ukraine.
    of the world..
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    Post  whir on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:37 pm

    Vann7 wrote:What you are not told about the Refugee crisis.. must see..
    Off Topic
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    Post  Erk on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:52 pm

    Vann7 wrote:What you are not told about the Refugee crisis.. must see..

    Racist nonsense that has nothing to do with Ukraine, what are you actually trying to achieve with a post like that here? Can we try and keep the thread on topic?


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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    US, EU Aid Insufficient to Fix Ukraine Economy - Finance Minister

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150911/1026886854.html#ixzz3lRhqmSeW

    Let me translate it into English: Western aid is insufficient to fill the pocket of Ukrainian oligarchs like Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Laughing

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:It has Ukraine listed.

    The Global Refugee Crisis, Region by Region

    (.....)

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/09/world/migrants-global-refugee-crisis-mediterranean-ukraine-syria-rohingya-malaysia-iraq.html?_r=0

    Oh, the Ukrainian map on NY Times says that Crimea is "disputed" and does not claim that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

    Seems like Western media finally begin to accept the harsh truth.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:59 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    US, EU Aid Insufficient to Fix Ukraine Economy - Finance Minister

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150911/1026886854.html#ixzz3lRhqmSeW

    Let me translate it into English: Western aid is insufficient to fill the pocket of Ukrainian oligarchs like Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Laughing

    Exactly dude, and to top it off:

    Ukraine Unable to Pump Enough Gas For Winter Into Storages on Time

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150912/1026916955.html#ixzz3lWqKFHPr
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:06 pm

    Ukrainian military truck is transporting a "liberated" Mercedes SUV from Donbass. ATO Marauders

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    Post  par far on Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:19 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:What you are not told about the Refugee crisis.. must see..

    Racist nonsense that has nothing to do with Ukraine, what are you actually trying to achieve with a post like that here? Can we try and keep the thread on topic?




    Actually, the so called "Refugee crisis" is something that Russia can use to it's advantage and is somewhat relevant to the Ukrainian situation. The way Russia can use this situation to their advantage is that they can convince EU that the "Refugee crisis" can only be solved by ending the war in Syria and Iraq(this is something that Russia wants). The EU probably has had enough of it and wants this problem to end and if Russia can convince them that if Assad falls, then the problem for them will become much worse and if EU was smart, they would listen and drop their support for the terrorists and than Russia could talk to EU about the EU. This a classic tactic divide and conquer tactic that the Zionists use and Russia can use it now. There are dangers to this but Russia cannot sit still.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:20 pm

    The “Snipers’ Massacre” on the Maidan in Ukraine

    Fri, Sep 11, 2015

    Anti-Human Rights, Ukraine
    By Ivan KATCHANOVSKI (Canada)


    The “Snipers’ Massacre” on the Maidan in Ukraine

    ORIENTAL REVIEW publishes a research paper recently presented by Prof. Ivan Katchanovski from Ottawa University at the Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association in San Francisco, September 3-6, 2015.

    http://orientalreview.org/2015/09/11/the-snipers-massacre-on-the-maidan-in-ukraine/

    The massacre of almost 50 Maidan protesters on February 20, 2014 was a turning point in Ukrainian politics and a tipping point in the conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine. This mass killing of the protesters and the mass shooting of the police that preceded it led to the overthrow of the government of Viktor Yanukovych and gave a start to a civil war in Donbas in Eastern Ukraine, Russian military intervention in Crimea and an international conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine. A conclusion promoted by the post-Yanukovych governments and the media in Ukraine that the massacre was perpetrated by government snipers and special police units on a Yanukovych order has been nearly universally accepted by the Western governments, the media, and many scholars. The Ukrainian government investigation identified members of the special company of Berkut as responsible for killings of the absolute majority of the protesters, but did not release any evidence in support, with the exception of videos of the massacre.

    The question is which side organized the “snipers’ massacre.” This paper is the first academic study of this crucial case of the mass killing. It uses a theory of rational choice and a Weberian theory of instrumental rationality to examine actions of major actors both from the Yanukovych government, specifically various police and security forces, and the Maidan opposition, specifically its far right and oligarchic elements, during the massacre.

    The paper analyzes a large amount of evidence from different publicly available sources concerning this massacre and killings of specifics protestors. Qualitative content analysis includes the following data: about 1,500 videos and recordings of live internet and TV broadcasts in mass media and social media in different countries (some 150 gigabytes), news reports and social media posts by more than 100 journalists covering the massacre from Kyiv, some 5,000 photos, and nearly 30 gigabytes of publicly available radio intercepts of snipers and commanders from the special Alfa unit of the Security Service of Ukraine and Internal Troops, and Maidan massacre trial recordings. This study also employs field research on site of the massacre, eyewitness reports by both Maidan protesters and government special units commanders, statements by both former and current government officials, estimates of approximate ballistic trajectories, bullets and weapons used, and types of wounds among both protesters and the police. This study establishes a precise timeline for various events of the massacre, the locations of both the shooters and the government snipers, and the specific timeline and locations of nearly 50 protesters’ deaths. It also briefly analyzes other major cases of violence during and after the “Euromaidan.”

    This academic investigation concludes that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was rationally planned and carried out with a goal of the overthrow of the government and seizure of power. It found various evidence of the involvement of an alliance of the far right organizations, specifically the Right Sector and Svoboda, and oligarchic parties, such as Fatherland. Concealed shooters and spotters were located in at least 20 Maidan-controlled buildings or areas. The various evidence that the protesters were killed from these locations include some 70 testimonies, primarily by Maidan protesters, several videos of “snipers” targeting protesters from these buildings, comparisons of positions of the specific protesters at the time of their killing and their entry wounds, and bullet impact signs. The study uncovered various videos and photos of armed Maidan “snipers” and spotters in many of these buildings.

    The full text of the research paper is available for downloading below (PDF – 2,5 Mb).

    http://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Snipers_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine_APSA_Conference.pdf
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:25 pm

    par far wrote:
    Actually, the so called "Refugee crisis" is something that Russia can use to it's advantage and is somewhat relevant to the Ukrainian situation. The way Russia can use this situation to their advantage is that they can convince EU that the "Refugee crisis" can only be solved by ending the war in Syria and Iraq(this is something that Russia wants). The EU probably has had enough of it and wants this problem to end and if Russia can convince them that if Assad falls, then the problem for them will become much worse and if EU was smart, they would listen and drop their support for the terrorists and than Russia could talk to EU about the EU. This a classic tactic divide and conquer tactic that the Zionists use and Russia can use it now. There are dangers to this but Russia cannot sit still.

    Nah, I say let this go on for several more years before even trying to fix it. Besides, why should Russia solve EU problems? This mess is doing wonders when it comes to finally eliminating EU from the game.

    Keep supporting Syria and let nature take its course in EU. After couple of years those maggots will give the Bear whole of Ukraine (provided it still exists by then Twisted Evil ), half a Mid-East/North Africa and all the pipelines they could possibly want.
    Plus willingness to bend over when Russia demands.

    F... the EU and this entire continent, it is finished, done, game over, time's up.
    They had a good run for couple of millennia but now time has come to pay the tab.

    Last call...   drunken
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    Post  par far on Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Actually, the so called "Refugee crisis" is something that Russia can use to it's advantage and is somewhat relevant to the Ukrainian situation. The way Russia can use this situation to their advantage is that they can convince EU that the "Refugee crisis" can only be solved by ending the war in Syria and Iraq(this is something that Russia wants). The EU probably has had enough of it and wants this problem to end and if Russia can convince them that if Assad falls, then the problem for them will become much worse and if EU was smart, they would listen and drop their support for the terrorists and than Russia could talk to EU about the EU. This a classic tactic divide and conquer tactic that the Zionists use and Russia can use it now. There are dangers to this but Russia cannot sit still.

    Nah, I say let this go on for several more years before even trying to fix it. Besides, why should Russia solve EU problems? This mess is doing wonders when it comes to finally eliminating EU from the game.

    Keep supporting Syria and let nature take its course in EU. After couple of years those maggots will give the Bear whole of Ukraine (provided it still exists by then Twisted Evil ), half a Mid-East/North Africa and all the pipelines they could possibly want.
    Plus willingness to bend over when Russia demands.

    F... the EU and this entire continent, it is finished, done, game over, time's up.
    They had a good run for couple of millennia but now time has come to pay the tab.

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    Very very true, this might brake up the EU.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Nah, I say let this go on for several more years before even trying to fix it. Besides, why should Russia solve EU problems? This mess is doing wonders when it comes to finally eliminating EU from the game.

    The mess is caused by Wall Street oligarchs and the bosses behind White House. EU is just a slave, it has to support their master and take all the shit cause by the master.

    White House, Pentagon and Wall Street billionaires cause wars and wars in the Middle East but EU is the one who take the refugees.

    It is time for the EU to say "*** you Obama" and kicked the *** of NATO bases out of the continent.

    PapaDragon wrote:F... the EU and this entire continent, it is finished, done, game over, time's up.
    They had a good run for couple of millennia but now time has come to pay the tab.

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    No, they didn't. In the ancient times they sucked with slavery, in the medieval time they sucked with the Church. They had virtually no paper, no pepper, no silk, no cotton, no sugars... for a long long time while Eastern countries had already have all of them long ago.

    The West managed to have a good run because they did not have a centralized feudal goverment who supressed the technocrat-industrial class who gradually ignited the technological revolution to transform Europe into industrial countries like today.

    The downfall of Western countries began in the late 19th century, when colonialism reached its zenith. Colonialism destroyed the incentive for technological innovation and destroyed fair competition, and was the main reason behind the two World War which bough EU hegemony to the end.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:17 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Actually, the so called "Refugee crisis" is something that Russia can use to it's advantage and is somewhat relevant to the Ukrainian situation. The way Russia can use this situation to their advantage is that they can convince EU that the "Refugee crisis" can only be solved by ending the war in Syria and Iraq(this is something that Russia wants). The EU probably has had enough of it and wants this problem to end and if Russia can convince them that if Assad falls, then the problem for them will become much worse and if EU was smart, they would listen and drop their support for the terrorists and than Russia could talk to EU about the EU. This a classic tactic divide and conquer tactic that the Zionists use and Russia can use it now. There are dangers to this but Russia cannot sit still.

    Nah, I say let this go on for several more years before even trying to fix it. Besides, why should Russia solve EU problems? This mess is doing wonders when it comes to finally eliminating EU from the game.

    Keep supporting Syria and let nature take its course in EU. After couple of years those maggots will give the Bear whole of Ukraine (provided it still exists by then Twisted Evil ), half a Mid-East/North Africa and all the pipelines they could possibly want.
    Plus willingness to bend over when Russia demands.

    F... the EU and this entire continent, it is finished, done, game over, time's up.
    They had a good run for couple of millennia but now time has come to pay the tab.

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    Agreed, the EU was perfectly willing to have Russia experience its own 'refugee crisis' when they funded the instalment of a nationalist government and supported its war in the Donbass; now Russia has over a million refugees from the Ukraine in total, most from the Donbass.

    There is absolutely no necessity in solving any of the EU's problems for it, Russia owes the EU nothing.

    I won't say that them continuing to support terrorists or 'overthrow dictator Assad' would be a good thing - as its not a good thing and thousands of people are dying or being terrorized out of their homes for it.

    But, it's ultimately a matter for their own conscience.
    There is no necessity in Russia trying to convince them of a wiser course, or indeed, in propping up the Syrian Army with its own soldiers or 'advisors'.
    It's not our war, it's not our problem, it's Europe's problem - let them sort out the shitstorm they themselves have concocted.

    The longer this goes on for the stronger the internal divisions in Europe will be, and since they've so mercilessly decided to stomp on Russians in the Ukraine and their rights there, and have tried to crush Russia and bend it to its will, I think Russia would be fully justified in its schaudenfraud at Europe's problems.

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