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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:30 pm

    ^^^ Good work lads, keep it up. thumbsup
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:40 pm


    Apple a day and other Polish BS.... lol1  lol1  lol1

    "The Forgotten Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Helping Germany Invade Poland"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/analysis/20150906/1026668967/nazi-germany-poland-ukraine.html





    "Kiev to Ignore Russia's Remarks on Constitution Amendments - Poroshenko"

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that he still had hopes in the Minsk peace agreement with militias but was working on "Plan B" for addressing the armed conflict in Donbass....................

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026668665.html

    I guess no one told Porkins that NAF also has plan B...  Twisted Evil  attack
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Apple a day and other Polish BS.... lol1  lol1  lol1

    "The Forgotten Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Helping Germany Invade Poland"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/analysis/20150906/1026668967/nazi-germany-poland-ukraine.html





    "Kiev to Ignore Russia's Remarks on Constitution Amendments - Poroshenko"

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that he still had hopes in the Minsk peace agreement with militias but was working on "Plan B" for addressing the armed conflict in Donbass....................

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026668665.html

    I guess no one told Porkins that NAF also has plan B...  Twisted Evil  attack



    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

    http://ww2.debello.ca/polish/vcolumn.html

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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:58 pm

    Vann7 wrote:More "democracy" agents... caught with their pants down..

    recently A journalist? caught Navalny in a meeting with Foreign assets in a restaurant
    and in the same place there was an American car with a diplomatic license.
    The journalist enter and ask the American.. what you doing here?
    supporting democracy? lol1


    Biggest Putin Critic, Navalny - Exposed as An American Asset



    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/09/putin-critic-navalny-exposed-as.html
    That's the place I used to spend summers Very Happy But don't know where it was filmed. Thanks for find. Gonna rub it to someone.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:14 pm

    auslander wrote:
    medo wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 13 C0bvgt10

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 13 Rr4ci810

    Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

    And the best thing was the NulandNazi bastards were killed inside it. their digging of their
    armored vehicles did not helped. Wink Now Porkishenko is building real bunkers in the front
    line , this could be a sign that they will potentially consider to no longer advance and keep
    only a defensive position. at least until the bunker is finished. So is good news for a bit.

    Russia needs anti bunker weapons that can be fired from 152mm Artillery.. no idea if that exist.
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    Post  Erk Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:45 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    medo wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 13 C0bvgt10

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #21 - Page 13 Rr4ci810

    Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

    And the best thing was the NulandNazi bastards were killed inside it. their digging of their
    armored vehicles did not helped. Wink   Now Porkishenko is building real bunkers in the front
    line , this could be a sign that they will potentially consider to no longer advance and keep
    only a defensive position. at least until the bunker is finished.  So is good news for a bit.

    Russia needs anti bunker weapons that can be fired from 152mm Artillery.. no idea if that exist.

    So much for the week of ceasefire that was supposed to start Sep 1st.
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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:49 pm

    Just weeding out some valuable targets like OSA-AKM. Nothing to see here
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:41 pm

    Erk wrote:So much for the week of ceasefire that was supposed to start Sep 1st.

    The photos are from August or at least the second one is, see http://lostarmour.info/.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Apple a day and other Polish BS.... lol1  lol1  lol1

    "The Forgotten Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Helping Germany Invade Poland"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/analysis/20150906/1026668967/nazi-germany-poland-ukraine.html

    Related articles, also from Sputnik.

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150829/1026345836.html

    No, the Poles will never forget the massacre of 50,000-100,000 people in Galicia disregard of the pro-U.S. policy of the politicians.

    In WW2 Poland was amongst the countries who suffered the most from Nazi.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:45 pm

    Basically our Radical Man Lyashko claimed that voting for Porkie being President is the worst decision since Maidan.

    http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2240372
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:58 am

    Ukraine's Latest Ceasefire: Neither War nor Peace

    Alexander Mercouris wrote:Since the announcement of a ceasefire beginning on 1st September 2015 Ukraine has enjoyed its first period of (relative) peace since the start of the Ukrainian government’s so-called “anti-terrorist operation” in April 2014.

    Reports for the first time speak of a real cessation of the shelling of Donetsk.

    On previous occasions when ceasefires have been announced the amount of fighting has died down, but it has never stopped completely, whilst Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk has gone on uninterrupted.

    On this occasion, though some fighting undoubtedly is taking place, the ceasefire seems for the moment to be genuinely holding.

    This ceasefire is happening contrary to most people’s expectations - including mine - that the Ukrainian government would launch an offensive in the summer.

    Why instead of that offensive do we have a ceasefire instead?

    The short answer is that the Western powers - or at least Germany - have warned Ukraine against launching an offensive.

    The key event was the recent meeting between Merkel and Poroshenko (with Hollande in token attendance) in Berlin.

    Prior to this meeting the Ukrainians had assembled a large army of 90,000 men on the battle-front, with Poroshenko making belligerent speeches that appeared to threaten a new offensive.  

    A series of armed clashes over the summer looked like probing attacks, with the Ukrainians testing militia defences in preparation for their offensive, which at any moment seemed about to start.

    There were also reports, that appeared to be confirmed by the OSCE, that the Ukrainians, in breach of the terms of the February Minsk agreement, were bringing their heavy equipment back to the front line.

    In the event all the probing attacks were rebuffed, and when Merkel met Poroshenko she appears to have warned him against launching an offensive, telling him he should abide by the terms of the February Minsk agreement instead.

    The result has been a total reversal of Ukrainian policy, with the ceasefire in place and Poroshenko once again talking about the importance of implementing the Minsk agreement.

    Why has Merkel, who has shown a consistent reluctance to rein in the Ukrainians in the past, acted in this way?

    The likely answer is that her intelligence officials have warned her that in the event of a new Ukrainian offensive the Ukrainians would be defeated, and the Russians have warned her that in that case, instead of pursuing further negotiations with the present Ukrainian government, they will demand its reconstruction.


    The formation in Moscow of what looks like a Ukrainian government-in-exile, is a clear statement of Russia’s intentions if the war resumes, and as such is intended both to strengthen Russia’s hand in diplomatic negotiations and to serve as a warning to the Ukrainians and to the West.

    Merkel does not want to be put in a position where she is directly confronted with a Russian demand for the Ukrainian government’s reconstruction after it has been defeated in battle because it chose to launch a military offensive when it should have been carrying out the Minsk agreement.

    She undoubtedly knows that the political and economic situation in Ukraine is now so precarious that the Ukrainian government might not survive a further defeat, in which case the Russian demand for its reconstruction - especially if the Ukrainian far right attempts a takeover -might become irresistible.

    Last week’s rioting outside the Ukrainian parliament shows how precarious the political situation in Ukraine now is, with the government encountering fierce opposition both within the parliament and outside it, whilst being apparently unable to keep order or deal firmly with the far right groups that are challenging it.

    The rioting however also shows that despite the ceasefire the Ukrainian conflict is not ended.

    If it does nothing else, the rioting shows how strong is the opposition in Kiev to even the very limited (actually bogus) steps towards decentralisation the Ukrainian government is taking.  It turns out that even the government's pretence of complying with the Minsk agreement is too much for Ukraine's far right.

    More ominous still is the Ukrainian government’s refusal - or inability - to withdraw its 90,000 strong army from the front line.

    The Russian dramatist Anton Chekhov once said a loaded pistol in the first act of a play must be discharged before the play ends.

    The 90,000 strong army is Ukraine’s loaded pistol.

    An army of that size cannot be kept idle in the field indefinitely.  

    It must be used or in time it will disintegrate, with ever larger numbers of soldiers deserting, and those remaining becoming increasingly angry and disaffected.  

    There are already signs of demoralisation and indiscipline.  The announcement of the ceasefire with no concurrent demobilisation can only have made things worse.

    Ukraine’s government cannot however bring itself to withdraw or demobilise its army.  

    Doing so would admit the war - and the Donbass - is lost.  Last week’s riot in Kiev shows the danger of doing that.

    The mere existence of this army is therefore a factor in pushing Ukraine towards war, with the authorities in Kiev under pressure to use it before it becomes unusable.

    Ukraine’s conflict is not frozen.  Rather Ukraine is in limbo, caught between war and peace, unable to advance or retreat, with its economy in free fall, and its political system becoming increasingly weak and discredited, so that it cannot even surmount what should be minor challenges from violent and unpopular groups like Right Sector.  

    Ukraine’s tragedy is that there appears to be no way out - short of a total breakdown - since all the obvious routes are closed.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:26 am

    Thanks for putting that up, I'd say that was a pretty good analysis of the current situation.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:52 am


    You guys won't believe this sh*t jocolor Laughing lol1

    "'March on Moscow' Among Kiev’s Scenarios to End Donbass War"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150907/1026690903/poroshenko-names-three-ways-to-end-war.html




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    Post  Neutrality Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:56 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    You guys won't believe this sh*t  jocolor  Laughing lol1

    "'March on Moscow' Among Kiev’s Scenarios to End Donbass War"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150907/1026690903/poroshenko-names-three-ways-to-end-war.html


    I read that yesterday and I had this wtf look for 5 straight minutes. Perhaps he meant marching on Moscow in cuffs? In that case I do agree.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:58 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    You guys won't believe this sh*t  jocolor  Laughing lol1

    "'March on Moscow' Among Kiev’s Scenarios to End Donbass War"

    http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150907/1026690903/poroshenko-names-three-ways-to-end-war.html


    I read that yesterday and I had this wtf look for 5 straight minutes. Perhaps he meant marching on Moscow in cuffs? In that case I do agree.
    Think he must be thinking about the 100,000s of Ukrainians that will march towards Moscow in a desperate search for food in a few months time.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:02 am

    The world is a very different place from 12 months ago, as Poro is finding out.

    As the EU is battling a serious economic crisis and the US is focused on its Middle East policy, Kiev has practically no chance to receive financial and military aid from the West, Swedish economist Anders Aslund said.

    Kiev cannot counter to receive financial and military aid from the European Union and US, Swedish economist Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute, told to Wirtschaftswoche. "The peaceful process in Ukraine is doomed," Aslund said. According to the economist, now the Ukrainian government is divided after the EU, headed by Germany and France, forced Kiev to sign the Minsk agreements and partially embrace Moscow’s stance on the conflict. "Europe should forget the Minsk agreements," he said adding that the planned amendments to the Ukrainian constitution are impossible.

    For Kiev, the top priority now is economic recovery. The disastrous economic situation forces Ukraine to seek advice and assistance from abroad. However, Brussels has not lifted a finger, Aslund said. What is more, the EU has not yet expanded access to the European market for Ukrainian companies. The EU is experiencing a serious economic downturn thus it cannot provide enough support to Kiev, the expert explained. Washington also cannot aid Kiev because "US President Barack Obama has absolutely no interest in Ukraine," Aslund added.

    Vice President Joe Biden is in charge of Ukrainian affairs while Obama has focused on US foreign policy in the Middle East, the analyst underscored.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150907/1026685081/us-eu-will-not-help-ukraine.html#ixzz3l3NJSzWV
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:20 am

    If Poroshenko meant marching on Moscow as an invading army, then this news fits with his fantasy. Previously only the more deranged ukrops nationalist fantasists had claimed any Russian territory, but now Lyashko and a few others, including candidate for last years presidential elections in Ukraine, Anatoliy Grishenko, claim Bryansk Oblast as historic Ukranian lands and want to form volunteer brigades to take this land.  http://www.politnavigator.net/v-kieve-zayavili-pretenzii-na-bryanskuyu-oblast.html
    ukrops already claim Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov, Krasnodar, Volgograd, Saratov, Samara and Orenburg as "historic Ukranian lands".  This incidentaly fits with what it is said to be the Americans ultimate objective to restrict Russia to Moscow, Tver, Novogorod, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Kostroma, Ivanovo and Vladimir. All other regions, in an arc from Leningrad, Pskov, Smolensk and all the way around to Kirov being regarded as "non Russian conquered territories".....

    The map according to Washington/Kiev NWO will be this with Ukraine in Blue and what remains of Russia in red
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:52 am

    Khepesh wrote:If Poroshenko meant marching on Moscow as an invading army, then this news fits with his fantasy. Previously only the more deranged ukrops nationalist fantasists had claimed any Russian territory, but now Lyashko and a few others, including candidate for last years presidential elections in Ukraine, Anatoliy Grishenko, claim Bryansk Oblast as historic Ukranian lands and want to form volunteer brigades to take this land.  http://www.politnavigator.net/v-kieve-zayavili-pretenzii-na-bryanskuyu-oblast.html
    ukrops already claim Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov, Krasnodar, Volgograd, Saratov, Samara and Orenburg as "historic Ukranian lands".  This incidentaly fits with what it is said to be the Americans ultimate objective to restrict Russia to Moscow, Tver, Novogorod, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Kostroma, Ivanovo and Vladimir. All other regions, in an arc from Leningrad, Pskov, Smolensk and all the way around to Kirov being regarded as "non Russian conquered territories".....

    The map according to Washington/Kiev NWO will be this with Ukraine in Blue and what remains of Russia in red
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    I will take whatever he's smoking! drunken drunken drunken

    Looks like that stuff doesn't just open door to your mind, it blows it off the freakin' hinges!!! thumbsup pwnd
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    Post  franco Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:53 am

    Khepesh wrote:If Poroshenko meant marching on Moscow as an invading army, then this news fits with his fantasy. Previously only the more deranged ukrops nationalist fantasists had claimed any Russian territory, but now Lyashko and a few others, including candidate for last years presidential elections in Ukraine, Anatoliy Grishenko, claim Bryansk Oblast as historic Ukranian lands and want to form volunteer brigades to take this land.  http://www.politnavigator.net/v-kieve-zayavili-pretenzii-na-bryanskuyu-oblast.html
    ukrops already claim Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Rostov, Krasnodar, Volgograd, Saratov, Samara and Orenburg as "historic Ukranian lands".  This incidentaly fits with what it is said to be the Americans ultimate objective to restrict Russia to Moscow, Tver, Novogorod, Yaroslavl, Vologda, Kostroma, Ivanovo and Vladimir. All other regions, in an arc from Leningrad, Pskov, Smolensk and all the way around to Kirov being regarded as "non Russian conquered territories".....

    The map according to Washington/Kiev NWO will be this with Ukraine in Blue and what remains of Russia in red
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    I knew this to be true and have spoken about it before. By the way the Clinton's are big supporters of this concept of the Russia's as it is called in NWO circles (called the Brzezinski doctrine by some). But the absolute arrogance of it totally throws me and at the end frightens me for insanity by definition is a loss of reality.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:11 am

    And I ask, how do they plan to do this? Russias military would steamroll over Ukraine, and the period in that could have created separatist mentality in Russia, the 90's, are over.

    It will be very hard to convince Russians to separate from other Russians.

    They can wish it all they want, but it is safer to assume washington will be a radioactive crater before that happens.
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    Post  franco Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:22 am

    sepheronx wrote:And I ask, how do they plan to do this? Russias military would steamroll over Ukraine, and the period in that could have created separatist mentality in Russia, the 90's, are over.

    It will be very hard to convince Russians to separate from other Russians.

    They can wish it all they want, but it is safer to assume washington will be a radioactive crater before that happens.


    at the end frightens me for insanity by definition is a loss of reality.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:26 am

    Very true. Their endevors have been blunders (supporting navalny whos popularity is less than 1%, and not even trying hard to hide it). Then add in a country who cannot beat villagers with guns (Ukraine), expects to try?

    You know, I dont want to wish death upon anyone, but I wouldnt mind Ukrainr trying all this now. I am pretty certain there wont be a Ukraine left afterwards.
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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:29 am

    I'd like to see the USA returned to its rightful owners, the aboriginals. All those squatters should bugger on off back to Europe.

    America should not assume its imperial arrogance will lead it to eternal gain. It can lead it to eternal ruin.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:26 am

    Now that I think about it, what would be US and Ukraine success to splitting apart Russia? Even though it seems impossible due to cultural connections between Russians from west and Russians from east (since they are same people), there seems to be a never ending supply of Russians willing to cater to the west. As well, Russian government seems to be sitting on its collective arses regarding about dealing with US activity in Russia. I know they are attempting through disbanding NGO's or bringing them out to light, but they barely scratched the surface with that. Add in, they have yet to force out the US ambassador and its various staff when they are caught having meetings with 5th columnists prior to elections.

    If they dont act, then it could end up as a reality. But it wont be how US and kiev expect it. I imagine it eould end up more federalized with more power to Siberia and alike, while retaining their Russianess.

    But, if the federal goverment does their jobs properly, then they can stamp this all out early and less dirty.
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    Post  kvs Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:35 am

    sepheronx wrote:Now that I think about it, what would be US and Ukraine success to splitting apart Russia? Even though it seems impossible due to cultural connections between Russians from west and Russians from east (since they are same people), there seems to be a never ending supply of Russians willing to cater to the west.  As well, Russian government seems to be sitting on its collective arses regarding about dealing with US activity in Russia. I know they are attempting through disbanding NGO's or bringing them out to light, but they barely scratched the surface with that. Add in, they have yet to force out the US ambassador and its various staff when they are caught having meetings with 5th columnists prior to elections.

    If they dont act, then it could end up as a reality. But it wont be how US and kiev expect it.  I imagine it eould end up more federalized with more power to Siberia and alike, while retaining their Russianess.

    But, if the federal goverment does their jobs properly, then they can stamp this all out early and less dirty.

    There are many of them but they have no critical mass. Unlike Ukraine, Russia has no analogue of the Banderatards. The 3% liberast core is a joke
    and they need the USA to literally wipe their bums for them. Any attempt to organized armed thugs such as Right Sector in Russia is failing outright
    and the Russian government is not sitting on its ass in this regard. They are intercepting weapons, recruiters and other activity. That they
    let Navalny hobnob with US Embassy drones shows that they are not stupid. They kill two birds with one stone: in the eyes of the Russian 97%
    majority he outs himself as a paid foreign agent and at the same time the FSB can monitor all the tentacles that the US has in Russia.

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