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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

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    Post  par far Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:07 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:uaf massively shelling dpr

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/breaking-uaf-massively-shelling-dpr.htmlI truly hope this is the real prelude to the much awaited junta attack. Then ukraine will finally be liberated from neoliberal puppets.


    However I do believe the current stale mate contrary to what most of you are thinking is actually a blessing in disguise for the kiev junta, and negatively affects novorossiya .

    Here is why:

    No matter how bad the economy is, the mere existence of the dpr-lpr gives the junta a justification on blaming it on them(donbass) and russia, thus keeping the junta legitimate.

    Even though an outright assault will be fatal for the UAF, they can still shell as much as they please with zero international repercussions(besides the useless retardedly repeated "all sides must abide to M2A" announcement"). This can keep the donbass in constant terror and cause dissent against the rebel government for inaction, and an intact UAF can be used to brutally repress evevry single threat of rebellion form the frightened populace, thus also keeping the junta in power.

    The donbass can't attack first without complete international repercussions, so this keeps them effectively contained, allowing the imperial puppetmaster to still privatise and exploit much of ukraine's resources, and giving the puppet government enough breathing room.


    In conclusion russia and the donbass desperately need more action in the arena and keeping the status quo almost completely benefits the western empire.





    This is very true, people don't get this, they just keep waiting for the Ukrainian economy to collapse, which will never happen.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:32 pm

    par far wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:uaf massively shelling dpr

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/breaking-uaf-massively-shelling-dpr.htmlI truly hope this is the real prelude to the much awaited junta attack. Then ukraine will finally be liberated from neoliberal puppets.


    However I do believe the current stale mate contrary to what most of you are thinking is actually a blessing in disguise for the kiev junta, and negatively affects novorossiya .

    Here is why:

    No matter how bad the economy is, the mere existence of the dpr-lpr gives the junta a justification on blaming it on them(donbass) and russia, thus keeping the junta legitimate.

    Even though an outright assault will be fatal for the UAF, they can still shell as much as they please with zero international repercussions(besides the useless retardedly repeated "all sides must abide to M2A" announcement"). This can keep the donbass in constant terror and cause dissent against the rebel government for inaction, and an intact UAF can be used to brutally repress evevry single threat of rebellion form the frightened populace, thus also keeping the junta in power.

    The donbass can't attack first without complete international repercussions, so this keeps them effectively contained, allowing the imperial puppetmaster to still privatise and exploit much of ukraine's resources, and giving the puppet government enough breathing room.

    In conclusion russia and the donbass desperately need more action in the arena and keeping the status quo almost completely benefits the western empire.

    This is very true, people don't get this, they just keep waiting for the Ukrainian economy to collapse, which will never happen.  
    Nothing to do with Poro being in Brussels today, pleading that Kiev is doing all that was asked and now the evil Russians are shelling themselves and the UA so can we have more money to defend the West from the Russian hordes. Bit of deja vu here.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:41 pm

    par far wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish mainstream media claims that Russian military has lost over 2,000 soldiers in Ukraine so far.

    They claim that a Russian site BS-life.ru “accidently” published the figure online until it was taken away from their website.

    Finnish russophobes are having a field day with this news in comment section. They are also rejoicing about the arrest of Senakh (a Russian citizen who was arrested on this week in Finland by the request of the United States).

    Russia should kill off all trade with hostile nations like Finland, I don't know why it does not do that(well selling gas may have a thing to do with it).

    Like the wise words in the song take it on the run by REO Speedwagon - talk is cheep when the story is good.

    In this case, it is just words. They can prance around like the idiots they are, but it wont change anything in long run. As long as Finland gives goods and money/investments to Russia, that is fine. Let them keep doing that. While in turn, make sure to reduce their investments in Finland, start to reduce their trade with them, and simply restrict visas for Finns. Then simply warn your own people about traveling there could be dangerous due to US kidnappings.

    This will hurt Finland more, and their people will eventually squirm.
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    Post  Dforce Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:53 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:uaf massively shelling dpr

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/breaking-uaf-massively-shelling-dpr.htmlI truly hope this is the real prelude to the much awaited junta attack. Then ukraine will finally be liberated from neoliberal puppets.


    However I do believe the current stale mate contrary to what most of you are thinking is actually a blessing in disguise for the kiev junta, and negatively affects novorossiya .

    Here is why:

    No matter how bad the economy is, the mere existence of the dpr-lpr gives the junta a justification on blaming it on them(donbass) and russia, thus keeping the junta legitimate.

    Even though an outright assault will be fatal for the UAF, they can still shell as much as they please with zero international repercussions(besides the useless retardedly repeated "all sides must abide to M2A" announcement"). This can keep the donbass in constant terror and cause dissent against the rebel government for inaction, and an intact UAF can be used to brutally repress evevry single threat of rebellion form the frightened populace, thus also keeping the junta in power.

    The donbass can't attack first without complete international repercussions, so this keeps them effectively contained, allowing the imperial puppetmaster to still privatise and exploit much of ukraine's resources, and giving the puppet government enough breathing room.


    In conclusion russia and the donbass desperately need more action in the arena and keeping the status quo almost completely benefits the western empire.




    Good analysis, I totally agree with this.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:07 pm

    Do you think it's feasible for cyber berkut or russian army hackers to leak documents regarding MH17 order to shoot it down, cover up efforts and expose private communications between the US and junta officials? This could greatly help the russian cause.

    I think it's completely possible due to ukraine being bankrupt and thus cannot afford modern cyber security niether for the government nor SBU, and there has to be a weak link in the SBU that can be bought.
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    Post  gregoire Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:21 pm

    par far wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:uaf massively shelling dpr

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/breaking-uaf-massively-shelling-dpr.htmlI truly hope this is the real prelude to the much awaited junta attack. Then ukraine will finally be liberated from neoliberal puppets.


    However I do believe the current stale mate contrary to what most of you are thinking is actually a blessing in disguise for the kiev junta, and negatively affects novorossiya .

    Here is why:

    No matter how bad the economy is, the mere existence of the dpr-lpr gives the junta a justification on blaming it on them(donbass) and russia, thus keeping the junta legitimate.

    Even though an outright assault will be fatal for the UAF, they can still shell as much as they please with zero international repercussions(besides the useless retardedly repeated "all sides must abide to M2A" announcement"). This can keep the donbass in constant terror and cause dissent against the rebel government for inaction, and an intact UAF can be used to brutally repress evevry single threat of rebellion form the frightened populace, thus also keeping the junta in power.

    The donbass can't attack first without complete international repercussions, so this keeps them effectively contained, allowing the imperial puppetmaster to still privatise and exploit much of ukraine's resources, and giving the puppet government enough breathing room.


    In conclusion russia and the donbass desperately need more action in the arena and keeping the status quo almost completely benefits the western empire.





    This is very true, people don't get this, they just keep waiting for the Ukrainian economy to collapse, which will never happen.  

    I agree with the above. We'll just have to wait and see. I also think things can't stay this way forever. Something's gotta give.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:29 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Apparently now ukraine is begging gazprom for winter's supply after all european suppliers have refused. This is a golden oppurtunity for russia  to finally enforce it's conditions(denazification, federalization) on kiev or no deal. I wonder why they didn't force kiev in last winter. Whoever decided to give kiev gas unconditionally is a traitor to the east slavic nationality.
    Won't happen. Russia will give Ukraine gas for free if needed.

    Russia practices Christian values in it's foreign policy these days. Turn the other cheek, give to the poor etc. There was a story about this in RussiaInsider a few weeks ago.
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    Post  Neutrality Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:29 pm

    Dforce wrote:Good analysis, I totally agree with this.

    Jesus dude, you'd agree with any "analysis" that's negative towards NAF. Let's see what kind of line you'll be parroting this winter.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:29 pm

    Guys remember, we are just approaching 2nd winter. The process is just revving up... Twisted Evil

    Fun,fun,fun...
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    Post  Neutrality Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Guys remember, we are just approaching 2nd winter. The process is just revving up... Twisted Evil

    Fun,fun,fun...

    To quote a line from a movie:

    Sometimes a mistake is like wearing white after Labour Day, and sometimes a mistake is invading Russia in winter.

    You get the reference.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:32 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:uaf massively shelling dpr

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/breaking-uaf-massively-shelling-dpr.htmlI truly hope this is the real prelude to the much awaited junta attack. Then ukraine will finally be liberated from neoliberal puppets.


    However I do believe the current stale mate contrary to what most of you are thinking is actually a blessing in disguise for the kiev junta, and negatively affects novorossiya .

    Here is why:

    No matter how bad the economy is, the mere existence of the dpr-lpr gives the junta a justification on blaming it on them(donbass) and russia, thus keeping the junta legitimate.

    Even though an outright assault will be fatal for the UAF, they can still shell as much as they please with zero international repercussions(besides the useless retardedly repeated "all sides must abide to M2A" announcement"). This can keep the donbass in constant terror and cause dissent against the rebel government for inaction, and an intact UAF can be used to brutally repress evevry single threat of rebellion form the frightened populace, thus also keeping the junta in power.

    The donbass can't attack first without complete international repercussions, so this keeps them effectively contained, allowing the imperial puppetmaster to still privatise and exploit much of ukraine's resources, and giving the puppet government enough breathing room.


    In conclusion russia and the donbass desperately need more action in the arena and keeping the status quo almost completely benefits the western empire.



    The western handlers of the junta will allow the junta to attack only if they believe that the junta can win. It is better for them to keep shelling Novorossiya indefinitely.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:41 pm

    par far wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish mainstream media claims that Russian military has lost over 2,000 soldiers in Ukraine so far.

    They claim that a Russian site BS-life.ru “accidently” published the figure online until it was taken away from their website.

    Finnish russophobes are having a field day with this news in comment section. They are also rejoicing about the arrest of Senakh (a Russian citizen who was arrested on this week in Finland by the request of the United States).

    Russia should kill off all trade with hostile nations like Finland, I don't know why it does not do that(well selling gas may have a thing to do with it).
    Most Finns have a cocky and contemptuous attitude towards Russia because Russia has always been poorer than Finland and Russians have always been "on the other side of the fence", with Finland being in the democratic, prosperous West and Russia being in the barbaric, poor East. There is also a general hatred towards Russia where many (maybe the most) Finns hope troubles, war, famine and all kind of bad things for Russians. I am not making this up. I read these comments almost daily from social media.

    Russia cutting off trade with Finland would be very harmful to our economy, and it would actually shock many people to realize that Russia could really do harm like this to us. Finnish people do not really fear Russia. They hate and despise it, but generally they do not fear it. They think Russia is an impotent and sick man that is led by oafs that is incapable of inflicting harm to a great western nation like Finland.

    But the current Russian government is not going to cut off trade because it is beneficial for Russia too. Finland exports lots of stuff to Russia that Russian economy needs, and Finland has been a customer for Russian energy and raw materials for decades.
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    Post  Dforce Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:44 pm

    Neutrality wrote:
    Dforce wrote:Good analysis, I totally agree with this.

    Jesus dude, you'd agree with any "analysis" that's negative towards NAF. Let's see what kind of line you'll be parroting this winter.

    Sorry, but this is exactly what I have been saying all along with regards to the (non) upcoming Ukrainian offensive, so why would I not agree with it?
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:45 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Like the wise words in the song take it on the run by REO Speedwagon - talk is cheep when the story is good.

    In this case, it is just words. They can prance around like the idiots they are, but it wont change anything in long run. As long as Finland gives goods and money/investments to Russia, that is fine. Let them keep doing that. While in turn, make sure to reduce their investments in Finland, start to reduce their trade with them, and simply restrict visas for Finns. Then simply warn your own people about traveling there could be dangerous due to US kidnappings.

    This will hurt Finland more, and their people will eventually squirm.

    Actually Rosatom will build a new NPP in northern Finland and be a part-owner of it also. It is a major Russian investment in Finland that will tie a lot of Russian capital to Finland for decades. Sberbank has also been giving loans to Finnish partners to finance this project.
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    Post  Dforce Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:47 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Do you think it's feasible for cyber berkut or russian army hackers to leak documents regarding MH17 order to shoot it down, cover up efforts and expose private communications between the US and junta officials? This could greatly help the  russian cause.

    I think it's completely possible due to ukraine being bankrupt and thus cannot afford modern cyber security niether for the government nor SBU, and there has to be a weak link in the SBU that can be bought.

    If those documents existed I would assume it was already done, because of the reasons you are stating.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:59 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Apparently now ukraine is begging gazprom for winter's supply after all european suppliers have refused. This is a golden oppurtunity for russia  to finally enforce it's conditions(denazification, federalization) on kiev or no deal. I wonder why they didn't force kiev in last winter. Whoever decided to give kiev gas unconditionally is a traitor to the east slavic nationality.
    Won't happen. Russia will give Ukraine gas for free if needed.

    Russia practices Christian values in it's foreign policy these days. Turn the other cheek, give to the poor etc. There was a story about this in RussiaInsider a few weeks ago.
    How I wish russia was pagan right now. Perun, Svarog, Veles, Morana or Lada wouldn't take that shit.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:36 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
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    How I wish russia was pagan right now. Perun, Svarog, Veles, Morana or Lada wouldn't take that shit.

    Chernobog has always been my Slavic pagan deity of choice.... lol1 angel Twisted Evil

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:44 pm

    Karl, ill ask the same to you as I did to your other account - provide proof Russia gave resources for free. And not some google image like you did on the other thread.
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    Post  Ghoster Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Karl, ill ask the same to you as I did to your other account - provide proof Russia gave resources for free. And not some google image like you did on the other thread.
    How do you think Kiev will be able to pay for gas and coal if it has no money? While Russia hasn't provided any free coal yet, it supplied it at domestic prices last winter, without any advance prepayment.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/12/27/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-coal-idUKKBN0K508D20141227
    Russia will supply coal and electricity to Kiev without advance payment as a goodwill gesture from President Vladimir Putin, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS news agency.
    ...

    "Putin made a decision to start these supplies due to the critical situation with energy supplies and despite a lack of prepayment," Peskov said.
    ...
    Supplies will come at Russian domestic prices, Kozak said, adding that he hoped the move would help ensure reliable energy supplies to Crimea.

    On another note, DPR right now does supply coal at around 300,000-400,000 tons per month. It delivered the most coal during July, when Ukrainian army was shelling civilian areas the worst since the beginning of "ceasefire". Why is this coal being sold to Ukraine in the first place, I'm not even sure anymore.

    How does Ukraine pay for it is the real question (if they are even paying for it).
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:08 pm

    Ghoster wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Karl, ill ask the same to you as I did to your other account - provide proof Russia gave resources for free. And not some google image like you did on the other thread.
    How do you think Kiev will be able to pay for gas and coal if it has no money? While Russia hasn't provided any free coal yet, it supplied it at domestic prices last winter, without any advance prepayment.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/12/27/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-coal-idUKKBN0K508D20141227
    Russia will supply coal and electricity to Kiev without advance payment as a goodwill gesture from President Vladimir Putin, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS news agency.
    ...

    "Putin made a decision to start these supplies due to the critical situation with energy supplies and despite a lack of prepayment," Peskov said.
    ...
    Supplies will come at Russian domestic prices, Kozak said, adding that he hoped the move would help ensure reliable energy supplies to Crimea.

    On another note, DPR right now does supply coal at around 300,000-400,000 tons per month. It delivered the most coal during July, when Ukrainian army was shelling civilian areas the worst since the beginning of "ceasefire". Why is this coal being sold to Ukraine in the first place, I'm not even sure anymore.

    How does Ukraine pay for it is the real question (if they are even paying for it).

    As I said Russia sees itself as the leader of Orthodox Christain nations and a counter balance of the satanist, evil West.

    If you have read the Bible you should know what Jesus said: If someone slaps you in your cheek turn the other cheek. If someone has no food then give him food. If someone has no shelter then give him shelter. And most importantly if someone does evil to you then do not seek for revenge but instead bless your enemy and do good to him.

    In a case of Ukraine Russia is implementing these Christian values in practise. Ukraine hates Russia with all of its heart and would love to turn Moscow into a nuclear wasteland (if it could). The precise reason why Ukraine is shelling Donbass people because they think that they are killing Russian people and destroying their homes.

    Russia is not seeking a revenge because it would be anti-Christian. Russia does the opposite. When Kiev kills Donbass children Russia gives Kiev gas. When Kiev destroys an elementary school with shelling Russia gives Kiev coal. Russia is thinking that this love and extreme patience will slowly turn the Ukrainians back to their senses.

    I have no idea whether this will work or not. We will see.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:18 pm

    Ghoster wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Karl, ill ask the same to you as I did to your other account - provide proof Russia gave resources for free. And not some google image like you did on the other thread.
    How do you think Kiev will be able to pay for gas and coal if it has no money? While Russia hasn't provided any free coal yet, it supplied it at domestic prices last winter, without any advance prepayment.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/12/27/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-coal-idUKKBN0K508D20141227
    Russia will supply coal and electricity to Kiev without advance payment as a goodwill gesture from President Vladimir Putin, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS news agency.
    ...

    "Putin made a decision to start these supplies due to the critical situation with energy supplies and despite a lack of prepayment," Peskov said.
    ...
    Supplies will come at Russian domestic prices, Kozak said, adding that he hoped the move would help ensure reliable energy supplies to Crimea.

    On another note, DPR right now does supply coal at around 300,000-400,000 tons per month. It delivered the most coal during July, when Ukrainian army was shelling civilian areas the worst since the beginning of "ceasefire". Why is this coal being sold to Ukraine in the first place, I'm not even sure anymore.

    How does Ukraine pay for it is the real question (if they are even paying for it).

    Thank you for this. You answered the question better than I could.

    Delivering Kiev with gas and coal without pre-payment is an equivalent for giving it for them for free.


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    Post  Khepesh Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:20 pm

    It's a little curious that ukrops are admitting losses on sektor "M" in comparatively large numbers. Aleksandr Karas, Assault company commander of 5th Pravy Sektor battalion admits 21 dead and many wounded yesterday at Starognatovka. And Yaroslav Chepurnoi, sektor "M" press officer, reported "heavy losses" yesterday but did not mention a specific figure. He also said "We have very serious losses which will be reported later" and further said that the style of firing coming from the "militants" was like "Professional Russian Army". "Donbass" also reported they had five dead yesterday by Mariupol. Of course none of these reports mention that the casualties are all the result of failed ukrops attacks in defiance of Minsk.

    Part of this info comes from this ukrops source, which attempts to throw up a smokescreen over reality.... http://joinfo.ua/incidents/1115763_Ekstrennie-novosti-rezultate-artudara-VS-RF.html

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