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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

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    Post  franco Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:57 pm

    Erk wrote:

    Looks like the NAF is crossing the contact line in some places.



    Read my post above with Cassad's report of the fight.
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    Post  franco Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:00 am

    Khepesh wrote:Sakhanka reported under MLRS fire, this means that most of the "normal" hot spots from Mariupol to Pervomaisk are under some form of attack, tho nothing unusual. Also Zakharchenko appeared in Debaltsevo today to talk about coal and food distribution.

    Edit. Got a little more than usual as bombardment now from Elenovka to Dokuchaevsk. This is one of those spots of high interest in any offensive, but seems to be "trolling" as an offensive will be obvious of course.

    Kiev complaining that they are being shelled...

    August 23, 2015 20:59

    Kyiv reports shell attacks in Donbas

    KYIV. Aug 23 (Interfax) - The Ukrainian military said on Sunday that their positions in Donbas continued being shelled, mainly from small arms and weapons with a caliber of over 100 millimeters, throughout the day on Sunday.

    In particular, early this morning the Ukrainian positions in Luhansk Region were shelled several times from grenade launchers and large-caliber machineguns, the Ukrainian military press center said on Sunday.

    In Mariupol area, the Ukrainian strongholds in Shyrokyne and Sartana were struck by 152-millimeter artillery, the press center said. Near Donetsk, 120-millimeter mortars were fired against Opitne and Avdiivka, the press center said.
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    Post  Erk Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:04 am

    franco wrote:
    Kiev complaining that they are being shelled...

    August 23, 2015 20:59

    Kyiv reports shell attacks in Donbas

    KYIV. Aug 23 (Interfax) - The Ukrainian military said on Sunday that their positions in Donbas continued being shelled, mainly from small arms and weapons with a caliber of over 100 millimeters, throughout the day on Sunday.

    In particular, early this morning the Ukrainian positions in Luhansk Region were shelled several times from grenade launchers and large-caliber machineguns, the Ukrainian military press center said on Sunday.

    In Mariupol area, the Ukrainian strongholds in Shyrokyne and Sartana were struck by 152-millimeter artillery, the press center said. Near Donetsk, 120-millimeter mortars were fired against Opitne and Avdiivka, the press center said.

    The shelling has been going on all year from both sides in one form or another. To suddenly mention it, is most likely a cover story to prepare public opinion for a new offensive push into Donbass.
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    Post  franco Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:07 am

    Another article about the expected attacks. Good diagram or map of the suspected action;
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26423.7/3295886/



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:08 am

    Rats-in-puke made an ass out of himself again:

    “we have to live in this country.” He blurted out: “Ukraine is not my historical homeland and I don’t intend to live here.”


    Yatsenyuk will flee the ruins of Ukraine because "it's not his historical homeland"

    ...This is a text-book Prima Faci case of the mindset of a member of the 5th column.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:21 am

    2,500 Maidan soldiers killed as of August 4

    http://memorybook.org.ua/
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:33 am

    So can we safely say Minsk 2 ends in October when local elections break down?
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:49 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ukraine's GDP Dropped by 35% Surpassing Zimbabwe, Central African Republic

    http://www.sputniknews.com/business/20150823/1026104480/ukraine-gdp-economy-decrease-world-bank-independence.html

    (...)
    Out of 166 countries that provided full access to their GDP data between 1991-2014, only five countries showed a decrease in GDP — Central African Republic (-0.94 percent), Zimbabwe (-2.3 percent), Georgia (-15.4 percent), Moldova (-29 percent) and Ukraine — an astonishing 35 percent drop since 1991.

    2 African countries has 1-2% decrease. The three remaining are pro-West nations, have 2-digit amount of decrease.

    Western paradise for sure.

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    magnumcromagnon wrote:Rats-in-puke made an ass out of himself again:
    “we have to live in this country.” He blurted out: “Ukraine is not my historical homeland and I don’t intend to live here.”
    Yatsenyuk will flee the ruins of Ukraine because "it's not his historical homeland"
    ...This is a text-book Prima Faci case of the mindset of a member of the 5th column.

    One sentence describes the whole nature of the Maidanists.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:16 am

    Live broadcast of mental defectives on parade. I'm only watching to see if there is some "provocation"....
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    Post  Dforce Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:47 am

    Khepesh wrote:Live broadcast of mental defectives on parade. I'm only watching to see if there is some "provocation"....

    Why are some of the flags pink? It does not look very war-like...
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:51 am

    Dforce wrote:

    Why are some of the flags pink? It does not look very war-like...
    Because they are gay nazis, and the music just used in the banner presentation ceremony is fron German evening "Der grosse Zapfenstreich" parade. Banners presented for "heroism" in the "victories" at Illovaosk, Debelatsevo etc etc. I listen to hear if they mix "Horst Wessel" into the medly.....


    Still waiting for "Topol" to appear at parade Twisted Evil
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:25 am

    And to wash the street clean after the filth
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:58 pm

    Words from the French before today's meeting in Berlin

    To solve the Ukrainian crisis, all sides must keep the promises they made during the Minsk peace talks earlier this year, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told Journal du Dimanche.

    It's simply a matter of taking responsibility and doing what was promised, and it has nothing to do with trust between the sides, Fabius said. "The Minsk agreements are the responsibility of everyone, as they define the conditions under which Ukraine could establish relations both with Russia and the EU. They [the Minsk agreements are our compass]," Fabius told Journal du Dimanche.

    There is the agreement in place and all the belligerent sides need to do is to adhere to the existing document. Ukrainians should stop pointing the fingers at each other, talking about violations of the agreement from the opposite side; instead, they must concentrate on adhering to their own promises, Fabius commented on the Ukrainian conflict.

    France wants both sides to stop shooting at each other and begin working on the new Ukrainian constitution, Fabius said.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150824/1026124047/fabius-ukraine-dpr-lpr-minsk-agreement-peace.html#ixzz3jjFu6n8b
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    Post  Rodinazombie Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:00 pm



    Some nice ukrainian democratic patriots espousing european values again by fending off another attack by the russian hordes.

    Translation: scumbag ukie patriots beating up a man just because he is wearing a shirt with 'USSR' on it.

    Btw, why the hell is it so difficult to post on this site? Im fed up of writing posts to find that the 'send' button doesnt work.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:17 pm

    0 Maidan soldiers KIA 1 Maidan soldier WIA yesterday
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:43 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Dforce wrote:

    Why are some of the flags pink? It does not look very war-like...
    Because they are gay nazis, and the music just used in the banner presentation ceremony is fron German evening "Der grosse Zapfenstreich" parade. Banners presented for "heroism" in the "victories" at Illovaosk, Debelatsevo etc etc. I listen to hear if they mix "Horst Wessel" into the medly.....


    Still waiting for "Topol" to appear at parade Twisted Evil

    As we all know, gay Nazis are the worst Nazis lol1

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    Little article to add to the heroic festivities Razz

    ''Financial Times Admits It: Ukraine's Army Is Falling Apart''

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/financial-times-admits-it-ukraines-army-falling-apart/ri9359

    Glory to heroes!!! pwnd clown
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:26 pm

    A couple of interesting articles about where the incoming money goes. The financial rape of Ukraine, for the benefit of Western banksters and authorised indigenous oligarchs, is well under way. These are big articles so I have not cut and pasted them apart from a sample para.

    Today we’ll share a story of a completely unprecedented, simply stunningly arrogant theft. Something this brazen rarely happens, and we have the opportunity to talk about it even less often. Banking regulations, all that. Today we talk about Ministry of Finance, the National Bank, and how, under the guise of “banking confidentiality”, one can steal an international loan for 5,000,000 euro. Buckle in, the story has some serious twists:

    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/carrying-water-in-sieve-european-loan.html

    Kolomoisky had built his multibillion dollar financial base partly thanks to his mastery of “raiding,” the local version of mergers and acquisitions, involving methods that would make even the most hardened Wall Street financier turn pale. According to Matthew Rojansky, director of the Kennan Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars, who has made a special study of the practice, “there are actual firms in Ukraine … registered with offices and business cards, firms [that specialize in] various dimensions of the corporate raiding process, which includes armed guys to do stuff, forging documents, bribing notaries, bribing judges.” Rojansky describes Kolomoisky as “the most famous oligarch-raider, accused of having conducted a massive raiding campaign over the roughly ten years up to 2010,” building an empire based on banking, chemicals, energy, media, and metals, and centered on PrivatBank, the country’s largest bank, holding 26 percent of all Ukrainian bank deposits.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/ukraine-oligarch-steals-18-billion-us-us-pretends-it-didnt-happen/ri9275
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:28 pm

    Basically Oleg Lyashko declared a coup because he doesn't want Porkie to amend the Constitution for the autonomy of Donbass, and urged people to join him.

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201508240801-1jy6.htm

    Maidan politics is getting funny and funnier.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:34 pm

    Russia is not letting the MH-17 investigation quietly come to a 'conclusion'.

    VLADIMIR, August 24. /TASS/. The Dutch investigators have failed to answer Russia’s questions on the Buk missile debris allegedly found at the Boeing crash site in eastern Ukraine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a youth forum in the Vladimir region, central Russia, on Monday.

    Speaking at the event called Territory of Meanings on the Klyazma, Lavrov said the Dutch Safety Board which conducts the investigation into the July 2014 crash held a number of meetings recently. "We asked them questions, in particular, why the report on the Buk missile parts which they found several months ago comes only now, and asked them to show them, and they did not. We asked where they had found them - and they did not tell us either," Lavrov said. "We strive to carry out a fair investigation into the tragedy and all the key facts were concealed and are being concealed," he said.

    The draft UN resolution to set up an international tribunal into the MH17 crash, which Moscow vetoed in late July, was aimed at "confirming the image of Russia as guilty in that awful crime," Lavrov said. Lavrov reminded that Russia is the only country that has been calling over the past year for implementing the UN Security Council resolution on investigating the causes of the Boeing crash.

    On August 12, the Dutch Safety Board and the Dutch Prosecutor’s Office published a joint press release, which said that the investigators were scrutinizing the elements, which, they believe, might be related to the Buk anti-aircraft missile system.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:36 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Basically Oleg Lyashko declared a coup because he doesn't want Porkie to amend the Constitution for the autonomy of Donbass, and urged people to join him.

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201508240801-1jy6.htm

    Maidan politics is getting funny and funnier.
    Another take on this

    Oleh Lyashko, the leader of Ukraine’s Radical party, urged all Ukrainians to come to the Parliament on August 31 and defend the “independence” of their country against a constitutional reform that he thinks is “anti-Ukrainian,” the politician said in a video message posted on YouTube.

    According to Lyashko, the Ukrainian parliament's decision to amend the constitution and give the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) a special status will end "the independence and sovereignty of Ukraine." "We can't allow Donbass to be cut off, as it never existed… Come to the parliament on August 31. Together we can stop this anti-Ukrainian act," Lyashko said in a video message.

    If the constitutional amendment is approved, Ukraine will start the process of decentralization and the two Donbass republics will receive a greater degree of autonomy from Kiev.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150824/1026127160/lyashko-calls-protest-parliament-ukraine-donbass-constitution.html#ixzz3jjeoE2Rm
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:02 pm

    Let's look at the situation in the world today:

    -Refugee crisis in Europe
    -Start of another global financial crisis

    I think Hollande and Merkel will tell Poroshenko that they have no time for his country's issues. I don't think he's going to start another large scale offensive without their backing and there won't be any "free" money for Ukraine anymore. Global markets are crashing and hundreds of billions dollars are drying up. The world doesn't have time for Poroshenko's tears anymore. I fully expect another internal turmoil in Ukraine and it will cost Poroshenko and his supporters' heads.
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    Post  Austin Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:12 pm

    Kissinger: 'Breaking Russia Has Become an American Objective'
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:27 pm

    Errrmm over to you Mr OSCE

    MOSCOW, August 24. /TASS/. Kiev continues to purposefully amass heavy weapons at the line of contact, which will lead to the resumption of hostilities in southeastern Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry said. The ministry noted that the Russian side at the Joint Center for Coordination and Control had informed the employees of the Special Monitoring Mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) "about the build-up of pieces with caliber over 100 mm at the line of demarcation."

    "The presence of one Grad rocket launcher and two armored personnel carriers has been established in Dokuchaevsk," the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "The movement of a convoy of six Grad launchers, 18 trucks carrying ammunition and personnel and 18 armored personnel carriers, including 6 armored personnel carriers equipped with anti-tank guided missiles from Selidovo to Lebedinsky has been registered. In Chasov Yar, the deployment of two Tochka-U tactical missile systems has been established."

    In addition to that, five Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers have been deployed to Orlovskoye, and two tanks discovered in Granitnoye, the Russian Foreign Ministry said. "This information has been confirmed by the data obtained from an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission," the ministry added. "It is noted that on August 15, flying over Aslanovo, the mission’s UAV was subjected to radio interference from the Ukrainian military."

    At the same time, the Russian side at the Joint Center for Coordination and Control informed representatives of the Special Monitoring Mission that, "according to the information of the DPR intelligence service, the Ukrainian army was deploying main attack forces with heavy weaponry to the contact line and suggested verifying this information." "The Ukrainian authorities thus continue to purposefully build up heavy weaponry at the contact line in violation of the agreements reached in Minsk, which will lead to the resumption of hostilities in southeastern Ukraine," the ministry noted.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:36 pm

    I do believe Minsk 2 ends in October when local elections in Donbas break down. Fighting should therefore resume in October.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:11 pm

    haha.. this is the report the entire world needs to see.. This is why i love history..
    and historical accuracy..regardless of which side it benefits.
    because when you look at the truth.. you will understand why wars happens and why
    nations to the things they do..   (sorry if was posted but not )..

    I will be rich if given a dollar for every Polish Rusophobic Imbecile,that i find in youtube or RT ,or any discussion of world war 2 , but also American brainwashed idiot  , claiming  that Russia made an "alliance with Hitler" signing a non aggression pact with them ,blaming world war 2 on Russia.. So much you hear Polish Trolls ,blaming Russia for the invasion of "their lands"
    in "support" of hitler. But little is told how the Rusophobic Terrorist Poland signed a non aggression pact too with Hitler in 1934.. Wink   and how they did EVERYTHING in their power to blockade Russia from forming any coalition that could help Russia to defend against a war that western powers were pushing Germany . In other words both the West and Poland were trying to Get Nazi Germany and Russia to fight each other..and Russia isolated. Any coincidence with what happens today in Ukraine is "merely a coincidence" . .

    neither is mentioned how the lands that Soviet Union/Russia "invaded" from Poland ,were territories that Poland illegally invaded from Russia and annexed when Russia Empire faced a civil war and the Tsar was dethroned and was in chaos.. So effectively Russia took back the western Ukraine and western belarus to their land..  Is also was made clear in another report..
    that the last straw for Russia signing a non agression pact with hitler was when they asked UK and France to join in a coalition to stop hitler and permission to Poland to cross over its territory with its army to counter Hitler very early in the conflict when Germany was not very strong but Poland refused to allow Russia fight hitler early on the war and even blocked any coalition of Russia with anyone in Europe.  Simply put.. Russia saw the writing in the wall.. and the western
    powers were provoking Germany into a war in Europe and Russia was not allowed to form any alliance.. they saw clearly they were trying to get Russia and Germany into a fight.  And Russia to earn time ,which they got ,was forced to sign too a non aggression pact ,just like many others. And it was not until Poland was invaded and territory taken and France began to be invaded.. that UK and France and Poland began to agree to make an alliance with Russia..

    Interesting Eh?  Very Happy

    only when Hitler took away their lands ,they wanted to be friends with RUssia..  lol1

    This report is really gold , because shows how Destructive and criminal have been Poland
    policies in Europe.. unfortunately they continue with their hostiles criminal policies.. if a world war 3 start.. and Americans defeated , i hope Russia never again leave the territories they occupy in Europe including Poland.. To keep away any other power who try again to use Europe against Russia.  Europeans have shown they lack of will to be independent ,defend their interest and its people and their lack of moral values to do what is right when they see injustice as in palestine or eastern ukraine and see civilians women and children killed. .and always needs someone to lead them..




    "Until 1939, Poland did all it could to sabotage Soviet efforts to build an anti-Nazi alliance, based on the World War I anti-German coalition of France, Britain, Italy, and in 1917 the United States… In 1934-1935, when the USSR sought a mutual assistance pact with France, Poland attempted to obstruct it," ....
    Carley emphasized.

    Historians agree that European conservative elites viewed Adolf Hitler a less "evil" than Soviet Russia. Moreover, according to American economist Guido Giacomo Preparata, for the British and American establishment Nazism was seen as a driving force that could dismantle the USSR, thus far finishing what was started by World War I — complete dissolution of the former Russian Empire.


    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150823/1026098760/molotov-ribbentrop-pact-untold-story.html

    Thats the real truth about Hitler.. that you will never see in any american propaganda or european media ,the west supported the raise of hitler and its invasions until it began to turn against their own interest.. i

    And this should not be surprising.. it is Poland who is now AGAIN trying to get the major powers in Europe but also US into a war with Russia an played a major role in overthrowing the democracy in Kiev and reinstalling Ultra Nationals Rusophobic Factions in power in 2014. And now supplying mercenaries and weapons to fight Ethnic Russians.

    History repeats again... you have the same Rusophobic nations but now with Americans help ,
    trying to get another war in Europe with Russia isolated  and destroyed.  It is clear for me that
    it was a big mistake for the soviet union to collapse.. it had to be maintained.. and only reforms made (as China have done) to have more freedoms for society and more open for business. Soviet Union was the only thing keeping Europe away from Anglo zionist powers control..  
    and saving the world from being hostage as it is today from Americans exceptionism and highly destructive policies in the world that cost the lives of millions.. it is estimated ,in another report
    that Americans have killed after world war 2.. up to 30 millions people , when you count all the hundreds revolutions they have financed and participated and illegal invasions and proxy wars.
    and support of terrorism..

    http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

    This is not kidding United states is the most criminal power ever to see the world ,Far worse than Hitler could ever be.. this is beyond needs ,beyond nation defense,this is killing for fun ,killing for profits as they do with their drones and destroying entire nations with their support of Ultra Nations extremist of Islamic terrorist. and submission of the entire planet into its will and i hope to see the day the world liberated from such evil nation. here is what Americans veteran of intelligence who participated in 2014 in syria conference told about the criminal mafia that now is in control of US Senate and congress and white house.. with the help of Israel.

    @american eagle /F-15  will love this video.. shows a former US Marine veteran Gordon Duff
    with connections of US Army  intelligence ,telling the facts of his lovely "freedom nation"
    how corrupted and criminal is. In an international conference in Syria damascus in late 2014 about ISIS ,Alqaeda and terrorism and the direct connection that exist between Middle east terrorism and US and israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2_qmlKFVU


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