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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:10 pm

    1 Maidan soldier KIA and 4 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday cheers
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:17 pm

    Proving who was to blame for MH-17 (other than the person who gave the order to the person who pressed the button) is getting more and more murky as the 'why was it even there?' question ripples spread wider.

    Western governments knew the dangers of flying over eastern Ukraine before Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 crashed but did nothing about it, German investigative journalists said.

    Correctiv, a non-profit German-language investigative newsroom, has won a partial court victory in its quest to find out what governments knew before the tragedy. The Administrative Court in Berlin this week partly upheld Correctiv's right to know and ordered the German foreign office to disclose facts the office had withheld, The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper wrote on Sunday.

    During a July 14, 2014 briefing Ukrainian officials told Western ambassadors that Russian tank units had intervened in the conflict resulting in a dramatic escalation in air combat. Three days later flight MH17 plunged to the ground, killing all 298 on board. But the doomed flight was one of hundreds that crossed the crisis zone that week because changing course would result in longer flying times and increase airlines' fuel costs.

    The German foreign office has said that civilian flights over eastern Ukraine and their safety were not discussed at the July 14 briefing. However, Correctiv says it has a copy of a report on the briefing by Dutch diplomat Gerrie Willems that contradicts the office's claim and insists that the staff of the embassies of the European Union member states, the United States, Canada, Brazil and Japan actually attended the briefing. Although there is no specific mention of civil aviation, the Willems' report refers to the escalation in aerial combat. "This escalation meant automatically that civil aviation was at risk. According to our investigation, the German ambassador to Ukraine, Christof Weil, passed this information on to the foreign office," the report said.

    The German foreign office had refused to release information about the briefing, arguing it had been confidential and that all those attending had acknowledged this. The Administrative Court has now ordered the foreign office to tell Correctiv whether Ambassador Weil did write a report on the briefing and when the office told the Chancellor's Office and the German Defense Ministry about the content of the Weil report.

    "We want to know why thousands of people were at risk and why no warning was issued because that was the duty of the foreign office: to warn the airlines and through them all travelers of the dangers over eastern Ukraine,” the Correctiv’s report said in conclusion.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150823/1026086934/west-hides-truth-about-mh17-crash.html#ixzz3jdiTof4c
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:22 pm

    I am sure that this is just a gesture of peace, as a celebration of Independence Day, prior to their withdrawal, so they don't leave dangerous areas behind them. On the other hand...........

    MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. Ukraine’s armed forces begun clearing mine fields from their positions towards the front line to provide smooth movement of the contingent during an attack on the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), the republic’s defence ministry said on Sunday.

    "From the Golmovsky settlement (controlled by Kiev) towards the front line we see then demine fields in preparations for an attack," the Donetsk News Agency quoted the ministry’s representative Eduard Basurin.

    The ministry reported during the night to Sunday the Ukrainian military continued pulling heavy weapons and contingent for a future attack. "In Konstantinovka, up to 40 pieces of weapons have arrived, including SPG (self-propelled gun) and the contingent," the representative said.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:27 pm

    Maidan claims Zackarchenko has left Donetsk and NAF will shell Donetsk on eve of Independence Day as false flag Shocked

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraine-approaches-independence-day-on-aug-24-with-warnings-of-new-russian-led-attacks-396374.html
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    Post  Austin Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:18 pm

    Brzezinski on Russia: 'We Are Already In a Cold War'
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:59 pm

    Austin wrote:Brzezinski on Russia: 'We Are Already In a Cold War'

    This disgusting Nazi freak will soon go to his grave knowing that his lifelong dream has already been buried.Twisted Evil

    Suck Satan's dick for all eternity you asshole with unpronounceable name. pwnd
    You whole life has been in vane. lol1

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    Also:

    ''Kiev Spends Final Part of Budget to Fight Against Alleged ‘Eastern Threat’ ''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150823/1026092776/kiev-budget-eastern-threat.html
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    Post  Neutrality Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:09 pm

    Austin wrote:Brzezinski on Russia: 'We Are Already In a Cold War'

    So am I to assume that the whole basis of US Foreign Policy is this nutjob's contributions? He'd better spend the rest of his rotting years thinking about whether or not Lucifer has prepared a special place entirely for him in hell.

    Do you think it is right for the US to send heavy weaponry to Eastern Europe and the Baltic states?

    Brzezinski wrote:Do you think it is right to send troops and weapons into a sovereign country and start up a limited war after having seized a larger portion of it?

    Hilarious crap coming from an "expert". I guess he thinks that the US and the EU had no hand in overthrowing Yanukovich, thus directly meddling in Ukraine's internal politics.
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    Post  auslander Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Austin wrote:Brzezinski on Russia: 'We Are Already In a Cold War'

    This disgusting Nazi freak will soon go to his grave knowing that his lifelong dream has already been buried.Twisted Evil

    Suck Satan's dick for all eternity you asshole with unpronounceable name.  pwnd
    You whole life has been in vane.  lol1

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    ''Kiev Spends Final Part of Budget to Fight Against Alleged ‘Eastern Threat’ ''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150823/1026092776/kiev-budget-eastern-threat.html

    He did, how did you think he got to be carter's NSA? And what a picture of success Zbigy and Jummy was, the two of them together managed to screw up everything they touched and a lot of what they didn't touch.

    However, Spiegel had to find someone who agrees with the current crop of fools running EUUS for an interview and Zbigy was all they could find.
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:52 pm

    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Austin wrote:Brzezinski on Russia: 'We Are Already In a Cold War'

    This disgusting Nazi freak will soon go to his grave knowing that his lifelong dream has already been buried.Twisted Evil

    Suck Satan's dick for all eternity you asshole with unpronounceable name.  pwnd
    You whole life has been in vane.  lol1

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    ''Kiev Spends Final Part of Budget to Fight Against Alleged ‘Eastern Threat’ ''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150823/1026092776/kiev-budget-eastern-threat.html

    He did, how did you think he got to be carter's NSA? And what a picture of success Zbigy and Jummy was, the two of them together managed to screw up everything they touched and a lot of what they didn't touch.

    However, Spiegel had to find someone who agrees with the current crop of fools running EUUS for an interview and Zbigy was all they could find.

    Brzezinski also worked for Clinton and is the founder of the Brzezinski Doctrine which is that Russia is too large and diverse to really exist as a state and will eventually split into multiple smaller countries. This is the reason you hear neocons refer to Russia as the Russia's. Of course some assistance may be needed to help Russia disintegrate Wink Truly one of the leading Russian haters in America.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:05 pm

    Someone should point out the demographics of Russia to them. Besides the NC areas and maybe tatarstan (half really), the majority of the country is predominantly Russian ethnic. Meaning far less diverse than even big parts of India, and to a greater extent, USA.
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Someone should point out the demographics of Russia to them. Besides the NC areas and maybe tatarstan (half really), the majority of the country is predominantly Russian ethnic. Meaning far less diverse than even big parts of India, and to a greater extent, USA.

    Haters have to hate! angry Twisted Evil sniper
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:32 pm

    Have been reports of a battle yesterday in Lugansk and here are details from Cassad;
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2353004.html

    Short version is a 10 man recon from the NAF was checking out the high ground between the UAF and the 1st Cossacks. This is along the most obvious and suspected invasion route into Lugansk.
    Ran into some UAF and suffered 2 KIA, laid down suppressive fire and received supporting fire from a couple of NAF fortified positions. The UAF either accidentally or on purpose blow their ammo depot. They then fled in panic leaving the high ground, village and train station to the NAF. 10 NAF > 100 UAF
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:00 pm

    What I've thought about today:

    Siege of Lenningrad

    The two-and-a-half year siege caused the greatest destruction and the largest loss of life ever known in a modern city

    On Hitler's express orders, most of the palaces of the Tsars, such as the Catherine Palace, Peterhof Palace, Ropsha, Strelna, Gatchina, and other historic landmarks located outside the city's defensive perimeter were looted and then destroyed, with many art collections transported to Nazi Germany.[58] A number of factories, schools, hospitals and other civil infrastructure were destroyed by air raids and long range artillery bombardment.

    The 872 days of the siege caused unparalleled famine in the Leningrad region through disruption of utilities, water, energy and food supplies. This resulted in the deaths of up to 1,500,000[59] soldiers and civilians and the evacuation of 1,400,000 more, mainly women and children, many of whom died during evacuation due to starvation and bombardment.[1][2][4] Piskaryovskoye Memorial Cemetery alone in Leningrad holds half a million civilian victims of the siege. Economic destruction and human losses in Leningrad on both sides exceeded those of the Battle of Stalingrad, the Battle of Moscow, or the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The siege of Leningrad is the most lethal siege in world history, and some historians speak of the siege operations in terms of genocide, as a "racially motivated starvation policy" that became an integral part of the unprecedented German war of extermination against populations of the Soviet Union generally.[60][61]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:18 pm


    A scuffle between activists of the Civil Guard and a man in a T-shirt USSR

    from Truth About the situation in Ukraine:
    23rd August 2015, city Kharkov, occupied Kharkov republic

    In day of the anniversary of liberation of Kharkov from the German fascist invaders by army of USSR crowd of fascist beating in center of city the man in red T-shirt with USSR emblem.



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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:41 pm

    Off Topic

    I am posting this Sputnik article on several treads for all you guys to have at hand next time someone tries to give you a lecture about how "Evil Russians were allies with Nazis".

    http://www.sputniknews.com/politics/20150823/1026098760/molotov-ribbentrop-pact-untold-story.html

    Earlier I posted Telegraph's article that they reference in this one, but here is the link again, just in case:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

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    Untold Story of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, inked by the USSR and Nazi Germany on August 23, 1939, is now used by Western "experts" and mainstream media to accuse the Soviet Union of "colluding" with Hitler and "betraying" his would be French and British allies, but evidence suggests otherwise.

    http://www.sputniknews.com/politics/20150823/1026098760/molotov-ribbentrop-pact-untold-story.html

    On August 23, 1939 the USSR and Nazi Germany singed a Treaty of Non-aggression, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; the document still triggers fierce debate, prompting the West to accuse the USSR of "colluding" with Hitler on the eve of the Second World War.

    Furthermore, since 2008 on this day European countries mark "European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism."

    "It's an annual event [August 23], anxiously awaited by western Russophobic propagandists, to remind us of the iniquitous Soviet role in starting World War II. Nowadays of course when the mainstream media say "Soviet," they want you to think about Russia and its president Vladimir Putin. Western "journalists" can't make up their minds about Putin: sometimes he's another Hitler, sometimes another Stalin," Professor Michael Jabara Carley of the University of Montreal emphasizes.

    Curiously enough, Western "experts" and mass media remain silent about the fact that most major European powers had signed similar treaties with Adolf Hitler earlier than the Soviet Union did.

    The Grand Alliance that Never Was

    For instance, Poland, the avowed "victim" of the Soviet-Germany non-aggression pact, had inked a non-aggression treaty with Nazi Germany on January 26, 1934.

    "During the 1930s Poland played a spoiler's role. It was a far-right quasi-dictatorship, anti-Semitic and sympathetic to fascism. In 1934, as the USSR raised the alarm about Hitler, Poland signed a non-aggression pact in Berlin. Who stabbed who in the back?" Carley asked rhetorically.

    While pointing the finger at the USSR for moving into territories of "Poland" (when no state of Poland existed any longer after German invasion of September 1, 1939) some Western historians are again demonstrating a peculiar form of amnesia, apparently forgetting that these very territories — Western Ukraine and Western Belarus — were annexed by Poland during the Polish-Soviet War (1919 — 1921). The war was unilaterally unleashed by Warsaw against the USSR, torn and devastated by the civil war.

    In general, the USSR returned its own territories — with the exception of the small piece of Bukovina — that were grabbed by other European players during the chaos of the Revolution of 1917 and the Civil War of the 1920s, Russian historian, politician and diplomat Nataliya Narotchnitskaya noted in her book "Za Chto i S Kem My Voyevali" ("Who We Were Fighting and What For").

    "Until 1939, Poland did all it could to sabotage Soviet efforts to build an anti-Nazi alliance, based on the World War I anti-German coalition of France, Britain, Italy, and in 1917 the United States… In 1934-1935, when the USSR sought a mutual assistance pact with France, Poland attempted to obstruct it," Carley emphasized.

    But what about Britain and France? Surprisingly, in the 1930s neither London nor Paris hastened to join the USSR's anti-German coalition. Carley pointed to the fact that it was Maksim Litvinov, the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, backed by the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, "who first conceived of the 'Grand Alliance' against Hitler." However, "Litvinov's coalition became the Grand Alliance that Never Was."

    Historians agree that European conservative elites viewed Adolf Hitler a less "evil" than Soviet Russia. Moreover, according to American economist Guido Giacomo Preparata, for the British and American establishment Nazism was seen as a driving force that could dismantle the USSR, thus far finishing what was started by World War I — complete dissolution of the former Russian Empire.

    "To Churchill, [Stanley ]Baldwin [the UK's prime minister] would thus sum it up in July 1936: 'If there is any fighting in Europe to be done, I should like to see the Bolshies [Bolsheviks] and the Nazis doing it'," Preparata wrote in his book "Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich."

    Meanwhile European and American elites were not only unwilling to establish any alliances with the Soviet Union, but also poured money into Nazi Germany's economy, facilitating the rise of the Nazi war machine.

    Prestigious British arms manufacturer Vickers-Armstrong supplied heavy weaponry to Berlin, while US companies Pratt & Whitney, Douglas, Bendix Aviation, to name but a few, provided German firms — BMW, Siemens and others — with patents, military secrets and state-of-art airplane engines, Preparata pointed out.

    The Munich Betrayal of 1938

    The final accord of this game was the Munich Agreement signed by the major powers of Europe (Britain, Germany, France, Italy) excluding the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, on September 30, 1938, that permitted Nazi Germany to annex northern and western border regions of Czechoslovakia.

    Embarrassingly, British archival documents released in 2013 exposed that the UK not only betrayed Czechoslovakia by allowing Hitler to invade it, but also voluntarily handed over nearly $9 million worth of gold that belonged to Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany.  The Czechoslovak golden bullions were immediately sent to Hitler in March 1939, when he seized Prague.

    The Munich Betrayal of September 29-30, 1938 is the actual date of the beginning of the Second World War, Director of the Center for Russian Studies at the Moscow University for Humanities and the Institute of System Strategic Analysis, historian and publicist Andrei Fursov underscores, citing Churchill's letter to Major Ewal von Kleist, a member of the German resistance group and emissary of the German General Staff, just before Hitler's seizure of Czechoslovakia:

    "I am sure that the crossing of the Czechoslovak frontier by German armies or aircraft will bring about a renewal of world war… Such a war once started, would be fought out like the last [WWI] to the bitter end, and one must consider not what might happen in the first few months, but where we should all be at the end of the third or fourth year."

    And that is not all. Incredible as it may seem, the British government actually prevented a plot aimed against Adolf Hitler in 1938. A group of German high-ranking military officials planned to arrest Hitler at the moment Nazi Fuhrer ordered the attack on Czechoslovakia. Inexplicably, the British political establishment not only refused to help the resistance but ruined its plans.

    In his essay "Finest Hour Regime Change, 1938: Did Chamberlain 'Miss the Bus'?" British author Michael McMenamin narrated: "there is no historical doubt that the German resistance repeatedly warned the British of Hitler's intention to invade Czechoslovakia in September 1938… In response, however, the Chamberlain government took every diplomatic step it could… to undermine Hitler's opposition."

    Whatever Chamberlain's motivation was, instead of beating the drums over Hitler's aggression in Europe, on September 28, 1939 he "proposed [Fuhrer] a five-power conference between Britain, Germany, Czechoslovakia, France and Italy, where, Chamberlain assured Hitler, Germany could 'get all essentials without war and without delay'," McMenamin wrote citing official documents, and added that Chamberlain also turned a blind eye to the fact that Germany excluded Czechoslovakia from the conference.

    After the four powers agreed to accept German occupation of Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland before any plebiscite and coerced the Czechs to go along, Chamberlain and Hitler inked the British-German Non-aggression Agreement, the author underscored.

    Interestingly enough, Professor Carley narrated that during the Czechoslovak crisis Poland (the would-be "victim" of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) demanded that if "Hitler was to get the Sudeten territories, Poland should have the Teschen district [in Czechoslovakia]. In other words, if Hitler gets his booty, we Poles want ours."

    So, who colluded with whom? Who were the betrayers?

    Why Is West Demonizing Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?

    According to Andrei Fursov, in Munich the four powers created a "proto-NATO bloc" that was actually aimed against the USSR. Czechoslovakia's industrial complex was meant to facilitate the growth of the German military might and ensure its ability to launch a big war against "Bolshies" in the East, in order to extend the German Lebensraum. And European elites were interested in this war, expected to exhaust both Germany and Russia.

    In light of this, the only move to undermine this plan and postpone its realization was to conclude a similar non-aggression pact between the USSR and Germany. Furthermore, the delay helped the Soviet Union to accumulate its resources in the face of an inevitable invasion from the West.

    Michael Jabara Carley cited Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, who said on October 1, 1939, in an interview to the British national broadcaster that Soviet action "was clearly necessary for the safety of Russia against the Nazi menace."

    Why then is the West making every effort to demonize the Soviet-German Non-aggression Treaty, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Professor Carley noted that it is a vain attempt to white-wash Europe's grave mistakes of the 1930s, namely the incapability (or unwillingness?) to halt the rise of Nazi Germany and to establish an anti-Hitler alliance in the early 1930s.

    "These days western governments and their 'inspired' journalists, if one can call them journalists, don't worry about 'tendentious' argument when it comes to blackening the Russian Federation. It's anything goes. Should we let them equate the roles of the USSR and Nazi Germany for starting World War II? Certainly not. It was Hitler who intended war, and the French and British, especially the British, who repeatedly played into his hands, rejecting Soviet proposals for collective security and pressuring France to do the same," Professor Carley stressed.

    http://www.sputniknews.com/politics/20150823/1026098760/molotov-ribbentrop-pact-untold-story.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:57 pm


    Ukraine's GDP Dropped by 35% Surpassing Zimbabwe, Central African Republic

    http://www.sputniknews.com/business/20150823/1026104480/ukraine-gdp-economy-decrease-world-bank-independence.html

    Over the past 24 years, Ukraine’s real GDP has decreased by 35 percent, which is absolutely the worst in the world, according to World Bank data, Ukrainian newspaper Zerkalo Nedeli (ZN) reported.

    As Ukraine is celebrating its independence day, economists should be worried, as the country's economy has fallen to the point of no return.

    Out of 166 countries that provided full access to their GDP data between 1991-2014, only five countries showed a decrease in GDP — Central African Republic (-0.94 percent), Zimbabwe (-2.3 percent), Georgia (-15.4 percent), Moldova (-29 percent) and Ukraine — an astonishing 35 percent drop since 1991.

    Amusingly, back in 1987 Ukraine's GDP was only 4 times smaller than that of China. In early 2015, it was already 80 times smaller, and the reason behind it was not solely due to China's economic growth over the past two decades, ZN said.

    One can somehow comprehend how and why the Central African Republic and Zimbabwe appeared on the list, but the fact that even these two countries are ahead of Ukraine should frighten Kiev politicians.

    This horrible turn of events isn't the result of a Civil War in Donbass. The process started much earlier, when Ukraine lost a large part of its domestic production. During the first decade of its independence, Ukraine lost almost 60 percent of its GDP, which was twice as much as the United States did during the Great Depression in the 1930s, ZN said.

    The main reason behind the collapse of the Ukrainian economy is technological degradation, as a result of which the country ended up being dependent on the export of natural resources and the fluctuation of the dollar and the euro.


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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:05 pm

    Basurin is saying there will be a Tochka U attack on the center of Donetsk on Independence Day Shocked
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:12 pm

    Press service of Poroshenko admitted incompetance in releasing this photo today. Clearly a premonition. Also rather fits with what Basurin said today that tomorrow a possible ukrops provocation could be black flag assasination of a very high level ukrops. I don't believe that, but would not be surprised if Yats looks nervous tomorrow. Also no confirmation or denial of the status of Zakharchenko, and questions asked about the status of Pavel Dremov. I think we already saw that ukrops seem to be engaged in minefield clearance, and low rainfall has decreased the flow rate of the Donets....
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    And offtop, but a second huge explosion in China, and now one at American ammo depot in Japan, and the entertainment in Korea all provide some diversion, but who for?, "Illuminati" ....
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:35 pm



    Wow.. i never thought the Dictatorship and repression in Europe in so called
    "Civilized democratic nations" in the world.. who talks about "European Standards "
    in human rights .. Guess what? close near 1 million of ethnic Russians live in LATVIA (700k)
    and they are about 30% of the population there..some of them live there since 1940 and they are not given LAtvian citizenship for the sole reason that they are ethnic Russians.. and children
    who born in LAtvia from LAtvian Russian parents.. Neither receive the citizenship.. near 1 million
    of ethnic Russians in latvia have no right to elect a president , or to occupy any position in Govenment.. What kind of Joke is that? in plain 21 century a country in Europe that discriminate
    for race .. you never see that other that African nations or now Ukraine after the CIAnazi coup.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150823/1026102551/latvia-discrimination-russians-normalization.html

    This is crazy .. if LATVIA is a democracy .then North Korea too.. Is ridiculous.. in Russia chechens have Russian citizenship and they have given lots of problems to them. Still that doesnt block Russia for respecting minorities and seeing them as equals.. under Russia constitution.





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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:45 pm

    heavy shelling started in multiple locations including Gorlovka
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    Post  medo Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:56 pm

    Сводки от ополчения Новороссии
    23.08.15. сообщение от ополченца Александра.

    "Обстрелы уже везде.Активно на Южном фронте.Мощная канонада в районе Светлодарска и Дебальцево. Перестрелки на Севере. Продолжается канонада на Западе Донецка. Район шахты Россия-ЛСО. Ополчение продолжает усилять позиции перед возможным наступлением ВСУ предпологаемым завтра или уже 24 числа. Была колонна брони ВСУ с Красноармейска по Донецкой трассе ехала 20 минут. Захарченко сейчас в Дебальцево занимается проблемой продовольствия и угля для населения."

    Сообщение от ополчения: "В Донецке громко. ЗУшки периодически продолжают работать по беспилотникам ВСУ. Горловка. в стороне Майорска слышны автоматы, пулеметы и ВОГи. Калиновка слышит северную часть. С 22:17 идет бой под Дебальцево. Со стороны Светлодарска применяется тяжелая артиллерия. В 22.27 - слышан грохот. В 22.22 - прилично прилетает около Лонгвиново. ЛНР. Район н.п.Золотое: бой с применением артиллерии."

    Don't worry, Zaharchenko is in Debalcevo. Novorussian army is preparing defense lines and expect, that Ukrainian offensive could start at midnight.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:57 pm

    Sakhanka reported under MLRS fire, this means that most of the "normal" hot spots from Mariupol to Pervomaisk are under some form of attack, tho nothing unusual. Also Zakharchenko appeared in Debaltsevo today to talk about coal and food distribution.

    Edit. Got a little more than usual as bombardment now from Elenovka to Dokuchaevsk. This is one of those spots of high interest in any offensive, but seems to be "trolling" as an offensive will be obvious of course.
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    Post  Erk Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:13 pm



    Looks like the NAF is crossing the contact line in some places.

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:32 pm

    Is Zackarchenko's leg good now?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:57 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Is Zackarchenko's leg good now?

    U really don't like that guy, do you?

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