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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:29 am

    Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:31 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:The objectives are actually easy, make sure that Ukraine has no means to restart a war in Donbass for a while and gaining in the process enough economic room as to force Ukraine to stop this war and start dealing with NVR. That can't be done with the current NVR territory, which is a nuisance for Ukropia at best.

    I agree. Look at Syria. Devastated by more than 4 years of nonstop full scale war and it's still going strong. In Ukraine war is very very small and no ground offensive. To think that Ukraine can collapse, even within a few years time, is pipe dream. Ukraine is a pretty big country and it's not going to collapse, economically or otherwise. Even if NAF goes on the offensive and the war is in full swing, it is unlikely Maidan would collapse considering Assad is still going strong despite now reduced to a small part of Syria.

    What is going strong in a country where 40% of its population are refugees?

    There's nothing going for Syria. On the other side there's a real example of this, that's the KRG in Iraq...Ukraine is already collapsed, it's simply you and the other guys who think that collapse is only seeing Syrian-style destruction.

    The fact is that Ukraine's about to undergo a lost decade, in order to achieve a lasting impression on Ukropistan, there needs to be a real hurdle to all recovery, economical or other...
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:34 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:What is going strong in a country where 40% of its population are refugees?

    There's nothing going for Syria. On the other side there's a real example of this, that's the KRG in Iraq...Ukraine is already collapsed, it's simply you and the other guys who think that collapse is only seeing Syrian-style destruction.

    The fact is that Ukraine's about to undergo a lost decade, in order to achieve a lasting impression on Ukropistan, there needs to be a real hurdle to all recovery, economical or other...

    I like your enthusiasm, but enthusiasm does not win war. You may repeat Ukraine has already collapse, but next year Donetsk will still be shelled every day. It is better to be wise than be full.

    BTW, IMF is the authority that says what each country's economy is. If IMF wants, IMF can say Ukraine has a bigger economy than the US. IMF is authority.
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    Post  franco Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:39 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.

    So out of curiosity, how many sons do you have?
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:41 am

    franco wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.

    So out of curiosity, how many sons do you have?

    0 sons 0 daughters. That's why I'm not soft like Obama and Putin. cheers
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:51 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:What is going strong in a country where 40% of its population are refugees?

    There's nothing going for Syria. On the other side there's a real example of this, that's the KRG in Iraq...Ukraine is already collapsed, it's simply you and the other guys who think that collapse is only seeing Syrian-style destruction.

    The fact is that Ukraine's about to undergo a lost decade, in order to achieve a lasting impression on Ukropistan, there needs to be a real hurdle to all recovery, economical or other...

    I like your enthusiasm, but enthusiasm does not win war. You may repeat Ukraine has already collapse, but next year Donetsk will still be shelled every day. It is better to be wise than be full.

    BTW, IMF is the authority that says what each country's economy is. If IMF wants, IMF can say Ukraine has a bigger economy than the US. IMF is authority.

    Sure trollo, that's why we got similar situation today, because IMF can defy the laws of gravity. Please treat yourself with a suppository you're a bit out of your depth.
    Sudan shells South Soudan everyday as well, I'd struggle to call both something else but shitholes. Here is barely different, Ukraine could shell Donbass for centuries, that wouldn't change a cent on its own issues. Think about Chechnya...
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:59 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sudan shells South Soudan everyday as well

    Do you know that for a fact? Let's suppose that is true, at least South Sudan fights back, not like NAF standing there and taking it as a gesture of good will.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:20 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sudan shells South Soudan everyday as well

    Do you know that for a fact? Let's suppose that is true, at least South Sudan fights back, not like NAF standing there and taking it as a gesture of good will.

    Sure trollo, they fight against other South Sudanese people, while Sudan laughs all the way to the Chinese Bank...
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:21 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sure trollo, they fight against other South Sudanese people, while Sudan laughs all the way to the Chinese Bank...

    Sudan lost a third of its territory when South Sudan became a country in 2011. South Sudanese completely drove Sudan army from South Sudan. Can't say the same with NAF, who hold only a third of Donbas, don't even bother liberating Donbas from Maidan, even when it has tanks, artillery, heck, even more arms than Maidan has, heck, don't even bother defending the people of NAF held Donbas from daily Maidan shelling.

    NAF is a disgrace compared to South Sudan rebels.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:31 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Sudan shells South Soudan everyday as well

    Do you know that for a fact? Let's suppose that is true, at least South Sudan fights back, not like NAF standing there and taking it as a gesture of good will.

    Sure trollo, they fight against other South Sudanese people, while Sudan laughs all the way to the Chinese Bank...

    Sudan lost a third of its territory when South Sudan became a country in 2011. South Sudanese completely drove Sudan army from South Sudan. Can't say the same with NAF, who hold only a third of Donbas, don't even bother liberating Donbas from Maidan, even when it has tanks, artillery, heck, even more arms than Maidan has.

    No one liberated South Sudan, up to 2001 the SRRA couldn't have an united South Sudan, despite interventions from Uganda, Ethiopia and Eritrea...The peace agreement, broke down as soon as the 2011 referendum was held.

    Lol at driving Soudanese forces out of South Sudan, you guys know jack and still talk shit.

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    Post  Dforce Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:49 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.

    So out of curiosity, how many sons do you have?

    0 sons 0 daughters. That's why I'm not soft like Obama and Putin. cheers

    OMG, I am seen as the major troll here, and I tell you to stick to the subject...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:08 am

    Dforce wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.

    So out of curiosity, how many sons do you have?

    0 sons 0 daughters. That's why I'm not soft like Obama and Putin. cheers

    OMG, I am seen as the major troll here, and I tell you to stick to the subject...

    Don't insult yourself, you might be an a-hole sometimes, but you're no trollo most of it.

    "Flagship Haussofer", he be Pro level.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:59 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:"Flagship Haussofer", he be Pro level.

    Innocent unless proven guilty. Care to prove Flagship and Haus are the same person? You are lucky here in the west we follow that rule, or else I can say Russians shot down MH17 geek
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:10 am

    How many ceasefire violations since September 5 2014? 100,000? At least that's a record. Even in Syria when they have ceasefire it's real ceasefire, not like in Donbas. Eastern Europeans cheers
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:20 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:"Flagship Haussofer", he be Pro level.

    Innocent unless proven guilty. Care to prove Flagship and Haus are the same person? You are lucky here in the west we follow that rule, or else I can say Russians shot down MH17 geek

    And I wouldn't care trollo. The talk here is about you and yourself's alter ego. The Russian could rape half Michigan and that would still be a red herring when it comes to you and your sockpuppet. Now with all due respect, fuck off.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:24 am

    Warning. Disturbing video of Maidan soldiers shouting "These are gifts from Lvov" as they fire Grads at Donetsk. Oh that did it. Now we have proof of Maidan breaking Minsk. Are they shouting in Russian or Ukrainian?

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    Post  Guest Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:59 am

    franco wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Obama and Putin both have 2 daughters 0 sons. Both of them are the softest politicians in their own countries. Once one of them is out of office, boo ya, war be back on full scale.

    So out of curiosity, how many sons do you have?
    Dood.... He iz only 14... Chill
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    Post  Guest Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:20 am

    Looks like the Russian MoD has decided to test the T-90A in conventional combat operations instead of just asymmetric combat like it has seen in Chechnya. Definitely a T-90A, not sure why especially if the T-72B3 had no problem destroying Ukrop tanks but I am sure the Russian MoD has its reasons and the crew is more than prepared. Seen rolling through the Lugansk Oblast.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 32 ZnjraQgbnWc

    Link: https://m.vk.com/wall-39695140_1485611
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:35 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Looks like the Russian MoD has decided to test the T-90A in conventional combat operations instead of just asymmetric combat like it has seen in Chechnya. Definitely a T-90A, not sure why especially if the T-72B3 had no problem destroying Ukrop tanks but I am sure the Russian MoD has its reasons and the crew is more than prepared. Seen rolling through the Lugansk Oblast.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 32 ZnjraQgbnWc

    Link: https://m.vk.com/wall-39695140_1485611

    Dat Shtora!!! Now I understand the carnage at Novoannovka. There was guided Safari by OboronTurist, That road towards Luhansk, if you follow it closely, you'd see some carnage, I counted about 3 T64BM's in jack in the box configuration.

    BTW looki what I found....The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 32 60m2B7bkOGc
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:10 am

    You found a T-80 captured or what?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:You found a T-80 captured or what?

    Nope this is a graveyard T-80 from KMDB. Looks in terrible condition.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:15 am

    OK. I was wondering. It didn't look too good. So I had no idea what its purpose was.

    I figure majority of Ukraine's tanks are in such horrible condition.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:19 am

    sepheronx wrote:OK.  I was wondering.  It didn't look too good.  So I had no idea what its purpose was.

    I figure majority of Ukraine's tanks are in such horrible condition.

    That photo was taken around Kiev allegedly in September...
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:29 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:OK.  I was wondering.  It didn't look too good.  So I had no idea what its purpose was.

    I figure majority of Ukraine's tanks are in such horrible condition.

    That photo was taken around Kiev allegedly in September...

    None of it comes as a surprise. Even Russia with its mass budget managed to have a forest of T-80's appear (and they were in better condition).

    But what I find funny is that some countries are still looking at possible purchases of T-84 Oplots from Ukraine.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:33 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:OK.  I was wondering.  It didn't look too good.  So I had no idea what its purpose was.

    I figure majority of Ukraine's tanks are in such horrible condition.

    That photo was taken around Kiev allegedly in September...

    None of it comes as a surprise.  Even Russia with its mass budget managed to have a forest of T-80's appear (and they were in better condition).

    But what I find funny is that some countries are still looking at possible purchases of T-84 Oplots from Ukraine.

    And the should, the Oplot is a good tank for the initial price on paper. The assembly quality is something else...

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