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    Post  Guest Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:35 am

    Dforce wrote:
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    Flagship Victory wrote:Anyone know if this is real or fake?

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/radio-free-europeradio-liberty-ukraine-posts-video-of-captured-russian-soldier-asking-for-putins-help-395710.html

    Well you are the one that posted this information...

    Where is the video anyway?

    Followed the link in the KievPost story, had no video embedded in RFE/RFL.

    You do know that those are literally shill organizations?

    Here is a video of him:

    http://lugansk-news.com/captured-russian-officer-starkov-explained-how-and-how-many-russian-soldiers-get-recruited-to-fight-in-ukraine-full-transcript-of-the-video/

    I guess it is quite easy to check up the details he is giving:

    - Passport series 2203 and number 080912, issued on December 9 2002, by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Bor city in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.
    - For 12 years I have been serving in Taiga where there were only 4 houses, a school and a kindergarten…
    - You get official position in 12th Command in Novocherkassk city (military unit created in 2014 as part of Southern Military District the Commander of 12th Command is Col. Bakhtiyar Nabiyev since July 25, 2014, see http://mil.ru).

    EDIT: Here is the latest vid of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVDCILef6E
    I'm calling bull on how they got him and here is why:
    1) Why is a major doing a task that obviously belongs to a lower ranking soldier?
    2) Russian soldiers would not be driving trucks full of ammo by themselves. They are always escorted by other support vehicles that are armed. They also always have two people in the cabin. I seen it plenty of times around Kubinka in Russia. If you want evidence, check out how the multitude of videos about Russian convoys rolling through Krim. I live in a town with a huge military presence. I can tell you that even in the US which is far removed from any conflict, that the US military never transports anything with just one truck and one soldier in it. There is always two people in the cabin of the truck and at a minimum a Humvee filled with troops is with them. Both militaries have a "leave no man behind" mentality in case you are wondering.
    3) Inb4 he said so himself hurr durr. The interrogation techniques used by different intelligence agencies around the world are very potent and are known to make people say what the interrogators may want you to say. The guy looks pretty beaten up for someone who just "ran into" Ukrop border guards.
    4) Without an official statement by Russia's MoD, we can't prove anything yet. Last time when the two GRU operators were "caught" by SBU. Russia's MoD provided a statement. Right now we have not heard anything. We can't rule out a kidnapping (even on Russian soil) or a forgery, we all know the SBU is very well versed in doing both and has done or is doing it right now. If the DPRK is capable of printing extremely realistic 100 USD bills, I don't see why Ukraine couldn't have better technology. The Ukrainian forgeries have come a long way since that handwritten Russian Military ID card and the fake Rebel MH17 audio recording. The SBU is quite good at snatching people off the street, remember what happened to the guy who tried to spearhead a Maidan 3?

    By the way, I do hope he is a real Russian soldier and I do hope Putin responds. This war has gone on too long and it is about time the Hohols get a taste of their own medicine.
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    Post  Dforce Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:54 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Dforce wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Anyone know if this is real or fake?

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/radio-free-europeradio-liberty-ukraine-posts-video-of-captured-russian-soldier-asking-for-putins-help-395710.html

    Well you are the one that posted this information...

    Where is the video anyway?

    Followed the link in the KievPost story, had no video embedded in RFE/RFL.

    You do know that those are literally shill organizations?

    Here is a video of him:

    http://lugansk-news.com/captured-russian-officer-starkov-explained-how-and-how-many-russian-soldiers-get-recruited-to-fight-in-ukraine-full-transcript-of-the-video/

    I guess it is quite easy to check up the details he is giving:

    - Passport series 2203 and number 080912, issued on December 9 2002, by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Bor city in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.
    - For 12 years I have been serving in Taiga where there were only 4 houses, a school and a kindergarten…
    - You get official position in 12th Command in Novocherkassk city (military unit created in 2014 as part of Southern Military District the Commander of 12th Command is Col. Bakhtiyar Nabiyev since July 25, 2014, see http://mil.ru).

    EDIT: Here is the latest vid of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVDCILef6E
    I'm calling bull on how they got him and here is why:

    That is possible, I do not know. However, with the information present in the report it can not be hard to find out if it is fake or not. Let me guess that the Russian MoD will find out he have recently resigned.

    and the fake Rebel MH17 audio recording.

    Will not debate this, but just ask if you are aware that the Dutch police have confirmed that those recordings are real? Also, it seems that Russia are pursuing the Buk manufacturer line in the Hauge, so I think we can leave all theories about Su-25, Ukrainan ground personel and Spanish Carlos behind at this stage.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:03 am

    Dforce wrote:

    Will not debate this, but just ask if you are aware that the Dutch police have confirmed that those recordings are real? Also, it seems that Russia are pursuing the Buk manufacturer line in the Hauge, so I think we can leave all theories about Su-25, Ukrainan ground personel and Soanish Carlos behind at this stage.

    Oh that's ironic. Did you know that the Dutch investigation team has officially stated they won't publish certain details regarding MH17 because they are secret? I wonder why that is. I don't quite understand why these countries are pushing for a tribunal when potentially very important facts are being covered up. It wasn't Russia that requested these details. It was a Dutch news agency called "RTL Nieuws" which filed a request and got this answer from the investigation team.

    You are worse than a parrot, honestly. Constantly repeating the line of the Ukrainian DoD and their "news" agencies.


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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:04 am

    And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:06 am

    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    Will repeat again what I just wrote. Why are certain details regarding the crash classified? Wasn't there a deal about total transparency for the sake of the families?
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:08 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    Will repeat again what I just wrote. Why are certain details regarding the crash classified? Wasn't there a deal about total transparency for the sake of the families?

    Can you provide link please?
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:12 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    Will repeat again what I just wrote. Why are certain details regarding the crash classified? Wasn't there a deal about total transparency for the sake of the families?

    Can you provide link please?

    From RBK: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/13/08/2015/55cc0f769a794710ccf57151

    From RTL Nieuws themselves: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/besluiten-over-mh17-blijven-geheim
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    Post  Dforce Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:12 am

    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    I have no idea if they ARE real or not, but the Dutch say so at least. "Bez" also confirmed they were conversations he have had, but I am not sure how trustworthy he is?

    The reason they think they know might have something to do wit the request from the investigators to gain access to telemasts in LPR/DPR?
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:13 am

    This seems familiar.

    Samples of up-to-date Russian weaponry magically appear, without theres supporting asset always in the linear of regular Russian army movement.

    Like the T-72B3, contrast with the normal war imagery with there's destroyed/burned out tanks in wasted fields and under heavy damage to surrounding environment,

    whilst the T-72B3 is in the plain with no damage or environmental scorching.

    What an comedy.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:14 am

    It is possible yes, but the dutch have proven to be less trust worthy of an independent research. Someone that wasnt part of the tribunal agreement should be leading this. Maybe China?
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    Post  Dforce Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:20 am

    sepheronx wrote:It is possible yes, but the dutch have proven to be less trust worthy of an independent research. Someone that wasnt part of the tribunal agreement should be leading this. Maybe China?

    Sure, if China thinks that a crime has been committed they can start their own investigation. Any nation can, as far as I understand.

    That the Dutch do just that I assume have something to do with who the victims were, but I am not sure.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:20 am

    Dforce wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    I have no idea if they ARE real or not, but the Dutch say so at least. "Bez" also confirmed they were conversations he have had, but I am not sure how trustworthy he is?

    The reason they think they know might have something to do wit the request from the investigators to gain access to telemasts in LPR/DPR?

    If you remember, that tape was released in less than 24 hours by SBU after the crash which is horsesh*. This is coming from an agency that was caught doctoring (read: using Photoshop) pictures of the BUK's launch site. The same agency that screams about 10,000 active Russian soldier but still can't provide any solid fact regarding this.
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    Post  Dforce Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:25 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    Dforce wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    I have no idea if they ARE real or not, but the Dutch say so at least. "Bez" also confirmed they were conversations he have had, but I am not sure how trustworthy he is?

    The reason they think they know might have something to do wit the request from the investigators to gain access to telemasts in LPR/DPR?

    If you remember, that tape was released in less than 24 hours by SBU after the crash which is horsesh*. This is coming from an agency that was caught doctoring (read: using Photoshop) pictures of the BUK's launch site. The same agency that screams about 10,000 active Russian soldier but still can't provide any solid fact regarding this.

    Well if you are so sure I guess "Bez" lied then?

    But that is somewhat besides the point; the interesting part here is that the Dutch say they are real.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:30 am

    Dforce wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:
    Dforce wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how would exactly the dutch know they are real? Let us not forget that the dutch has done a shit job on the mh17 investigation and they probably couldnt tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian.

    Add that, SBU of history of doctoring information gives us a good idea of the BS. And well, lack of flight recorders from the terminal is also a good question.

    The dutch has a lot of political investment in this, so they will tow the line as normal. Give it to south africa or Argentina to see if it is real? Maybe to China. How about that?

    I have no idea if they ARE real or not, but the Dutch say so at least. "Bez" also confirmed they were conversations he have had, but I am not sure how trustworthy he is?

    The reason they think they know might have something to do wit the request from the investigators to gain access to telemasts in LPR/DPR?

    If you remember, that tape was released in less than 24 hours by SBU after the crash which is horsesh*. This is coming from an agency that was caught doctoring (read: using Photoshop) pictures of the BUK's launch site. The same agency that screams about 10,000 active Russian soldier but still can't provide any solid fact regarding this.

    Well if you are so sure I guess "Bez" lied then?

    I'm not going to speculate on what he said or stated. I'm simply saying that anything the SBU says should be put through a chemical filter first and preferably touched from miles away later.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:41 am

    Dforce wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Anyone know if this is real or fake?

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/radio-free-europeradio-liberty-ukraine-posts-video-of-captured-russian-soldier-asking-for-putins-help-395710.html

    Well you are the one that posted this information...

    Where is the video anyway?

    Followed the link in the KievPost story, had no video embedded in RFE/RFL.

    You do know that those are literally shill organizations?

    Here is a video of him:

    http://lugansk-news.com/captured-russian-officer-starkov-explained-how-and-how-many-russian-soldiers-get-recruited-to-fight-in-ukraine-full-transcript-of-the-video/

    I guess it is quite easy to check up the details he is giving:

    - Passport series 2203 and number 080912, issued on December 9 2002, by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Bor city in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.
    - For 12 years I have been serving in Taiga where there were only 4 houses, a school and a kindergarten…
    - You get official position in 12th Command in Novocherkassk city (military unit created in 2014 as part of Southern Military District the Commander of 12th Command is Col. Bakhtiyar Nabiyev since July 25, 2014, see http://mil.ru).

    EDIT: Here is the latest vid of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVDCILef6E

    MVD doesn't issue "Military Bilet" it actually checks the background, but the the military "passport" comes from the MoD. So why exactly a Major in capacity has a regular passport? People went through this a couple of time at the old site and explained you diwmits how it works. Why don't you listen?

    Everything else is like the Semi-Pro Soccer team killed in Donbass. A major doesn't drive a truck alone. It's called accountability. Even the VDV captured with their MTLB were 10...So you're telling me the guy's alone with a stash worth a couple of pennies. I got this  peninsula to sell, it's in Greece, comes cheap, you want?


    Edit: OW fuck i just read the testimony: Ahahahaahahahahahahahahha. He gives full Orbat. Lel, there's no way the man is an Officer, Officers don't disclose that. However he never goes into ANY detail that can't be found online (huehuehue Semi-Pro football team again) and has no idea about Orbat of his own people.

    It reads like a Hollywood script with black Russian Marine Officer. But then this happens:

    Ukrop BS wrote:Russian Maj. Starkov: Yes, because we are not here. And such person doesn’t exist. Because we are advisers we don’t sign documents, so we had to do so.

    Ukrainian officer: You know about 2 GRU soldiers who were detained before?

    Russian Maj. Starkov: Yes, I saw them in the news.

    Ukrainian officer: Yes, we have them safe according to witness protection program. Have you heard news about them? Do you know that…

    Witness Protection Program? Unless they become Ukrainians, there's little to protect since they would have to be handed over. Are these people even trying?
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    Post  auslander Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:14 am

    Now you can understand why dforce is on my short ignore list, him and the teenage double account clown. Don't feed the troll.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:30 am

    auslander wrote:Now you can understand why dforce is on my short ignore list, him and the teenage double account clown. Don't feed the troll.

    In a sense you're right, you don't get all worked up. But Ignoring people also makes their propaganda more believable. If you don't explain, things stick pretty fast. With the risk to get pinpointed if on a hostile place. You know, a kind of Traduttore, traditore in reverse.
    That's something people like ArtjomH for instance do well. They don't care about BS tirades, but when push comes to shove and things become too ridiculous, they make that input.

    So don't worry, enjoy serenity, I'll try to stop quoting him then.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:36 am

    There was a report that a ukrops ammo depot had exploded at Artemovsk in the very early hours and that the flames could be seen from Konstantinovka. I don't know if this is true but it seems to be, however, ukrops don't report this, but they report that VSN shelled civilian area of Artemovsk. They have not claimed this before and it seems very suspicious that they do so when an ammo depot is reported to have exploded. The only proof ukrops show for shelling of civilian area are a few photos of one house, no eyewitnesses, no video,, no journalists reporting. The photos also appear to be of a house in Gorlovka, not Artemovsk, but I'm to lazy at the moment to search thro everything.
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    Post  Erk Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:39 am

    Khepesh wrote:There was a report that a ukrops ammo depot had exploded at Artemovsk in the very early hours and that the flames could be seen from Konstantinovka. I don't know if this is true but it seems to be, however, ukrops don't report this, but they report that VSN shelled civilian area of Artemovsk. They have not claimed this before and it seems very suspicious that they do so when an ammo depot is reported to have exploded. The only proof ukrops show for shelling of civilian area are a few photos of one house, no eyewitnesses, no video,, no journalists reporting. The photos also appear to be of a house in Gorlovka, not Artemovsk, but I'm to lazy at the moment to search thro everything.

    There was one that exploded a couple of weeks ago.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:19 am

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    I like you maing, but ya gotta pay attention.

    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26419.3/3291610/
    Much obliged thumbsup
    But why upload it like controversial material in Youtube then? Clickwhores...

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    Post  Khepesh Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:41 am

    Memorial at Khryashchevatoe. Burned out VSN T-64B with "For our and your future!!!" written on the barrel. Last August the crew had destroyed eight ukrops machines in a battle described as a nightmare before their tank was hit. It does not say the fate of the crew, but as their tank is now a memorial indicates they gave their lives. https://donbass.media/5261-pamyatnik-otvazhnym-bojcam-novorossii-xryashhevatoe/
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:49 am

    Erk wrote:

    There was one that exploded a couple of weeks ago.

    The ammo depot at the Dzerzhinsk brick factory. Probably set on fire by a ukrops smoking. The one at Artemovsk is reported to be due to drunken ukrops. No evidence, but easy to believe.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:50 am

    @Khepesh: +1 for the info

    BTW... Kaboom ! http://infopolk.ru/1/W/news/1439500778#6c945777-f0d6-4201-b042-84104abba344
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    Post  Ispan Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:20 am

    Khepesh wrote:There was a report that a ukrops ammo depot had exploded at Artemovsk in the very early hours and that the flames could be seen from Konstantinovka..

    My friend from Chile that translates the reports from Russian appearead again and I duly published the report in my blog.

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/parte-de-guerra-13082015/

    Explosion at Artemovsk took place at 0045, also reported a explosion of ammo in Pavlopolya. Either drunken ukrops mishandling ammo, or partisan attack

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    Post  auslander Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:33 am

    Khepesh wrote:Memorial at Khryashchevatoe. Burned out VSN T-64B with "For our and your future!!!" written on the barrel. Last August the crew had destroyed eight ukrops machines in a battle described as a nightmare before their tank was hit. It does not say the fate of the crew, but as their tank is now a memorial indicates they gave their lives. https://donbass.media/5261-pamyatnik-otvazhnym-bojcam-novorossii-xryashhevatoe/
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    If they got 8, they need to put the kill rings on the barrel to show the people what these boys did.

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