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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:47 pm

    There is no free lunch. If NAF does no offensive, there will be fewer daily casualties but the war will be longer. If NAF does offensive, there will be higher daily casualties but the war will be shorter. At the end of the day, there is no way to increase or decrease the total casualties.

    Another thing is I find it hard to imagine Maidan still has not run out of ammo yet. Just how much ammo do they have? It would be frightening to think the US shipping artillery and ammo to Maidan starting in January 2017 when the next US president gets into the White House. Shocked
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:02 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Then go put your money where your mouth is. Already reported you so let the mods deal with this.

    That's with you Russians huh? Bunch of cowards. You don't dare to save the people of Donbas so you act like keyboard warriors. As I already said, if I ever see Putin myself, I'd throw a shoe at him. What's he gonna do? I'm Canadian. Russians don't dare arrest Canadians. Twisted Evil

    Turks fight and die in Syria by the tens of thousands and they are beating the Syrian army. You Russians don't dare to charge Maidan's army positions because you are bunch of cowards. That's why you'll never beat Maidan. dunno

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/quarter-million-people-dead-syria-war-150807093941704.html

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    Post  Flagship Victory Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:12 pm

    As I said before, I'll say it again. Sooner or later Putin will be forced to act. Ukraine is not Moldova or Georgia. Ukraine once had nukes, and Ukraine will be making nukes. Putin may pretend nothing happens in Ukraine now. But the day will come when Russia has to invade Ukraine to topple Maidan or be stuck with a hostile nuclear power on its border.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:38 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:No land is ever given away. More than 10,000 Russian soldiers sacrificed their lives to retake Chechnya. It was definitely a mistake to dissolve the USSR in the first place.

    Yeah, and thinking like that is exactly what led to this situation in the Donbass, with Kiev killing people in preference to negotiating with them over their desire to be free or even to just refuse to accept the coup that happened.

    Clearly there is a middle ground between the extremes of giving everything away over some internal politics, corruption or 'good will' gestures, and of killing everyone rather than accept their desire for independence.
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    Post  Project Canada Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:32 am


    The current situation is simply frustrating, with Ukrops being able to get away with all the atrocities they continue to commit and Russia not doing enough to address the situation, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this whole situation is going to progress in the next coming months, all this arguing isn't going to change the situation on the ground anyway. All that I hope is that NATO won't succeed in their plans to further degrade Russia's security and national interests.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:37 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    The current situation is simply frustrating, with Ukrops being able to get away with all the atrocities they continue to commit and Russia not doing enough to address the situation, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this whole situation is going to progress in the next coming months, all this arguing isn't going to change the situation on the ground anyway. All that I hope is that NATO won't succeed in their plans to further degrade Russia's security and national interests.

    Remember, only one man holds the key to continuing or ending this war, and that man is Putin. He may deploy force, or he may not. The decision is entirely his to make. Putin can end this war tomorrow if he wants. All he needs to do is say 1 word, and that word is stop. russia For every day this war does not end, it is because Putin does not want it to end.
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:26 am

    Jesus H. Christ. Where are the mods nowadays? I'm sick and tired of these 2 trolls. It's obvious beyond any doubt to ANYONE right now. I understand throwing sarcastic remarks here and there sometimes but being such a mulish troll... well let's just say that's pushing it.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:47 am

    War is what makes a nation strong. What does not kill you makes you stronger. This is why Putin does not end this war. This war makes the Russian people stronger. A nation forged in the heat of battle is a strong nation. cheers


    Looks like Maidan shelling trashed a power plant in Gorlovka. Insane Shocked




    A typical fascist Maidan checkpoint near Donetsk. The reporter is something kov, an ethnic Russian. Are they speaking Russian or Ukrainian? The chef guy says he won't go home until the war is over. News flash for that fag. The war won't be over 50 years from now.  cheers

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    Post  auslander Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:24 am

    Gentlemen and lady, just put them on ignore, if one does not feed trolls eventually they go away. I did read what this multiple clone troll wrote up to this morning and there is no doubt in my mind we have one troll with multiple accounts. The IP addy defense is bogus, we have three IP addresses in this house alone.
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    Post  Guest Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:50 am

    So what is the word today from Banderastan? I've been on the road the whole day and I'm not reading the 7 new pages that were posted today. It feels like my nightmare from the Butthurt Thread has returned to haunt me.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:(...)
    Odessa governor Mikheil Saakashvili has unveiled an ambitious plan to divert China’s New Silk Road economic corridor to run across Ukrainian territory.(...)

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150809/1025547239.html#ixzz3iJnCHTI6

    Do you think maybe China can increase the export of their ties to Odessa considering that there may be an increase of consumption due to the needs of the new governor ? Cool Cool

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    Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place (...)
    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150809/1025560345.html

    Can't believe why there are so many braindead people who believe in the holodomoax piece of shit while it is clear that the victim of the famines are Russians, Ukrainians and else.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:50 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:(...)
    Odessa governor Mikheil Saakashvili has unveiled an ambitious plan to divert China’s New Silk Road economic corridor to run across Ukrainian territory.(...)

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150809/1025547239.html#ixzz3iJnCHTI6

    Do you think maybe China can increase the export of their ties to Odessa considering that there may be an increase of consumption due to the needs of the new governor ? Cool  Cool

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    Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place (...)
    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150809/1025560345.html

    Can't believe why there are so many braindead people who believe in the holodomoax piece of shit while it is clear that the victim of the famines are Russians, Ukrainians and else.

    The Silk Road has never gone through Ukraine, for a reason...
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:17 am

    Thankfully it became clear even before the end of the day yesterday that the incident at the quarry was not so bad and that the revised figures of one dead and a few injured turned out true. The larger number originated from "Gorlovka Today", which is the official Gorlovka news agency, tho not the city administration, which was silent. "Gorlovka Today" did not amend their report until very late in the day and that's why there was doubt and the wrong figure continued to be used. On that certain other forum I see it still being used. I also see the moron "Asheren" is banned. Interestingly that thread was locked down just as something happens, and on another military anglophone forum there is sudden silence about the situation as if people are scared to say anything, and not a single post about Ukraine since Saturday evening. And trolls run riot here, interesting. Anyway, on the "Gorlovka self Defence" poll nearly 11 thousand voted with 75% voting to go on the offensive. 11 thousand is a very good sample, far higher than opinion polls for elections for instance when I think only two thousand is needed to give a reasonable indication of what people think.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:06 am

    Hey mate you'd better watch out, you could be about to be mobilised Smile

    One of the sapper units of the Ukrainian army stationed in the city of Kharkiv is planning to train raccoons to search for explosives and clear mine fields, according to local media reports. Last spring, officers from the unit rescued a raccoon from hunting dogs. They fostered him in the unit, nicknaming him Hook, and the unit’s animal specialists even found him a mate – a female raccoon called Alice. The pair live an ideal life in a specially constructed cage, but what they don't know is that their offspring are goint to be used to search for explosives.

    The common raccoon is the most widespread type of raccoon in Eurasia. The animal sleeps during the day and is awake all through the night. It hibernates in winter and its life expectancy is just short of 20 years. The animal however is quite robust and can aggressively defend itself against predators.

    In North America raccoons are often kept as pets. Zoologists however doubt its trainability, describing the animal as curious, aggressive and cunning.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150810/1025573462.html#ixzz3iOwPjGr1
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:23 am


    Noooo, not poor little raccoons!!! cry

    Someone should warn Khepesh!!! cry

    ''Ukraine’s Army to Train Raccoons as Sappers''

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150810/1025573462.html

    Well, on the bright side, welcome to brotherhood of sappers my friend! If you need some tips let me know. thumbsup

    Looking forward to your defection to NAF! russia

    Here is a cute pic of a raccoon to cheer us up:

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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:45 am

    Yeah I saw all that nonsense, just trolling as ukrops are well aware of raccoons and even had a propaganda documentary about Putin and raccoons last year. I will only start to be concerned if raccoon Semyon from Kiev suddenly dissapears due to call up, but he is still at home.

    I think ykrops are jealous of this weird phenomena with raccoons and want a piece of the action, NO...

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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:08 pm

    This curious info, something I never heard of before. It is about President Eisenhower recognising Donbass, Zaporozhia, Krasnodar and presumably Rostov as an entity known as "Cossackia" that is entitled to be an independant country. And the article states this document is reafirmed every year, so is part of US policy? A pity that this was not known early last year when there were many arguments against ukrop support about the existance of any country called Ukraine and who the south east and Crimea really belonged to, but useful for future debate I think. However, it is a little disturbing that RT use this phrase, with my bold, "Russia’s current Krasnodar and Rostov Regions, and the Stavropol Territory." as if they are only temporarily part of RF, hm....

    http://www.rt.com/usa/312029-us-recognized-donbass-independence/
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:18 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:So what is the word today from Banderastan? I've been on the road the whole day and I'm not reading the 7 new pages that were posted today. It feels like my nightmare from the Butthurt Thread has returned to haunt me.

    Those 7 pages instantly become 2 when you use ignore function on those two trolls. thumbsup

    It would be a single page if people just stopped quoting those clowns. angry
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    Post  Erk Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:30 pm



    South Front update from the weekend.

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    Post  whir Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:36 pm

    Khepesh was faster... but anyway for those interested in the original text:

    The Captive Nations Week Resolution

    One question worthy of Philosoraptor: So if Cossackia is basically Zaporizhian Host plus Don, Kuban, Terek, Astrakhan, Ural, Orenburg, and Kalmyk regions then what is left of Ukraine that still can be considered Ukraine? Rolling Eyes


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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:46 pm

    Hm, People can make of this what they will.
    This article from Donbass Media is about the Karer quarry incident and has eye witness reports. https://donbass.media/5063-karer-gorlovka-9-avgusta-2015-goda/
    Yesterday the casualty figures swung back and forth from terrible to not so bad, except for the victims of course. I amended what I was posting and went back from "not so bad", to bad based on a report from Gorlovka hospital. The source I used here, a nurse at the hospital, was the same as in January who stated that more than fifty wounded had arrived at Gorlovka hospital on the bad Sunday while the official number was only about seven or ten. In the following days it was shown that about 76 wounded were received at the hospital. In this article it is stated that one died, which seems not to be disputed, and also three seriously wounded. This is the official number, one dead and three woundeed, yet here it is stated that a further 27 were less seriously wounded and are not being included in the casualty figures, why not, if true, needs explaining. These "missing" 27 now make the total casualties for all Gorlovka yesterday to about 40, which fits with early estimates of 30 - 50. It will sound cruel perhaps, but it is not in the interest of DNR to supress civilian casualty numbers, or it would not be in normal circumstances, but wierd shit is going on here and people are angry with the statement yesterday by Basurin praising OSCE for their work and keeping casualties down. It is one thing to seem to lay a trap for ukrops, but another to seem to be weak, and this is the growing perception, and right or wrong, that is bad for morale.


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    Post  Khepesh Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:50 pm

    whir wrote:Keeps was faster... but anyway for those interested in the original text:

    The Captive Nations Week Resolution

    One question worthy of Philosoraptor: So if Cossackia is basically Zaporizhian Host plus Don, Kuban, Terek, Astrakhan, Ural, Orenburg, and Kalmyk regions then what is left of Ukraine that still can be considered Ukraine? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Rodinazombie Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:05 pm

    ^^^

    It IS in the interest of DPR leadership to suppress casualty reports because there has already been some unrest due to lack of military response to the shelling and that will only grow.  If they give the real numbers of casualties then the people will only be more pissed off.

    Likewise the nonsense about osce is trash again, here they have a perfect opportunity to say'look, it wasnt us but the people are angry at your biased reporting, and this is how they are reacting'. Yet for some reason they decide to suck up to the osce and declare some propaganda trash that nobody with a couple of brain cells will believe.

    Its easy for us to be angry at the seemingly weak dpr lesdership, now just imagine how the people in gorlovka are feeling. They must feel pretty betrayed right now, or if not yet they must certainly be starting to feel that way.

    In war, territory is lost, territory is gained. Some times you have to take it on the chin when the enemy is more powerful than you and you must accept that there will be losses and there is little you can do about it. But this is NOT the case here, ukies have had their asses kicked on numerous occasions and were wiped off the map in illovaysk, novorossia with russia behind it has the ability to beat back the ukies, but it chooses not to. Not only that, it only lightly protests being shelled 24/7 and even seems to make excuses for the enemy.

    The ukrop artillery HAS to be pushed back, there is no other alternative, once thats done all this pressure is released and the ukies will have less influence n what happens in the dpr as it loses its 'bargaining chip'.  The 'grand plan' will only succeed when the guns stop firing, and they will only stop when the ukies have been pushed back far enough. Otherwise this is just going to go on and on.



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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:18 pm

    1 Maidan soldier KIA and 16 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday by NAF counter fire after they shelled Donetsk. cheers
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:25 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:The ukrop artillery HAS to be pushed back, there is no other alternative, once thats done all this pressure is released and the ukies will have less influence n what happens in the dpr as it loses its 'bargaining chip'.  The 'grand plan' will only succeed when the guns stop firing, and they will only stop when the ukies have been pushed back far enough. Otherwise this is just going to go on and on.

    Smerch has range 90 km. All of NAF controlled Donbas all the way to the border with Russia is under Smerch range. The only way to push Maidan artillery out of range of Donetsk is to capture the oblast borders.

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