Flagship Victory wrote:
flamming_python wrote:Who the hell cares if Ukrainians are against Russia?
Who are they?
What is the importance of this country, its economy or anything else? It's a basket-case
You could just as well tell me that the US turned all Ugandans against Russia - it would be of about equal irrelevance to the Ukraine.
Border. Border. Border. First Molvova and Georgia hate Russia forever. Then the Baltic states hate Russia forever. Now Ukraine hate Russia forever. Which ex Soviet republic next? Belarus? Kazakhstan? Uzbekistan?
You and your buddy Haushofer keep telling everyone about how Russia lost the Ukraine.
Let me tell you something - Russia lost the Ukraine alright; but not in 2014 - but 1991.
The mistake was already made 25 years ago and since then Russophobia and the ongoing reformation of the Ukrainian national consciousness into something that hates Russia with all its essense has been progressing and taken hold amongst a new generation of people with no direct memory of Soviet times and that can be told any old BS and believe it.
The older generations meanwhile, have willingly forgot the Soviet experience and all other ties that binded them to Russia.
This happened not last year, this has been happening for the last 25 years.
It's like with the Nazis in Germany - they cemented their popularity by first appealing to the young, and then brainwashing the young. They captured the hearts of the young generation, and that's all it took - nobody had a chance of dislodging them or their ideology.
The same with the Banderites. They've been keeping themselves busy since the Soviet collapse, and have now finally cemented themselves firmly into Ukrainian politics and national consciousness.
Now - is it possible to reverse this trend?
Well yeah, it is, but with the Nazis it only happened when they were beaten to a pulp, their atrocities exposed, and their own people made to feel the suffering of war that came about by the Nazis own belligerance.
However, personally, I'm of the opinion that in regards to the Ukraine - it's just not worth it
This is not Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was a very powerful country, a massive military threat. The Ukraine is a parody of that, and poses no military threat to Russia. It poses a threat only to civilians and defenseless people.
There is no need to spend any resources, or send a single Novorussian or Russian soldier to die there.
Let it consume itself for I'm convinced that it will.
Now about Georgia, Baltic States, et all.
OK, again, you need some history lessons. Like the Ukraine, these are independent countries, and are thus ultimately responsible for their own fate and will have to stew in their own shit if they make a mess of things - much like the Ukraine is now.
America didn't 'turn' them. They've been hating Russia for a long time now, this didn't start with Uncle Sam. I remember the US Ambassador to Georgia in 1993 thought's on Gamsakhurdia and all his raving about seperatism, Russia, etc... he thought the guy was an absolute nut and America should stay as far away from supporting such people as possible.
The US later decided to take advantage of the endemic hate towards Russia in places like the Baltic States and the Ukraine but that's rather different to actually starting it.
About Belarus, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan you have no need to worry. There is no hatred or complexes towards Russia in any of those places. No amount of NGOs will help that.