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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

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    Post  Ghoster Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:28 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:On the one hand Kiev says we are not buying coal from Donbas, but on the other ...................

    MOSCOW, August 7. /TASS/. The coalmining enterprises of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) supplied to the Ukrainian companies more than 435,000 tons of coal in July, the press service of DPR Transport Ministry said on Friday. "In July, 6,216 wagons of coal were delivered to Ukraine’s territory in July. Considering the fact that one wagon can carry about 70 tons, last month the Ukrainian enterprises received from the DPR more than 435,000 tons of the "black gold," the Donetsk news agency quotes the ministry’s spokesman as saying.

    The DPR Transport Ministry earlier said that in March and April the coalmining enterprises of the self-proclaimed republic had delivered to Ukraine about 387,000 tons of coal. According to it, a significant growth in supplies is connected with a relative truce in the Donbas region.

    For free?
    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

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    Post  Project Canada Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:34 pm


    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

    Yeah while at the same time the Ukrops continue to bombard Donetsk which resulted to dozens of civilian casualties?
    I only hope the next winter will be long and bitterly cold. Ukrainistan should break apart and be absorbed into the RF russia
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:41 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

    Yeah while at the same time the Ukrops continue to bombard Donetsk which resulted to dozens of civilian casualties?
    I only hope the next winter will be long and bitterly cold. Ukrainistan should break apart and be absorbed into the RF russia

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:

    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

    Yeah while at the same time the Ukrops continue to bombard Donetsk which resulted to dozens of civilian casualties?
    I only hope the next winter will be long and bitterly cold. Ukrainistan should break apart and be absorbed into the RF russia

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    Russia did not get rid of ukraine, it was a divide et impera tactic under Yeltzin and his other drunk 5th columnists with tight ties to Washington and their think tanks. It will be absorbed in our lifetime and that is good.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:54 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:

    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

    Yeah while at the same time the Ukrops continue to bombard Donetsk which resulted to dozens of civilian casualties?
    I only hope the next winter will be long and bitterly cold. Ukrainistan should break apart and be absorbed into the RF russia

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    Russia did not get rid of ukraine, it was a divide et impera tactic under Yeltzin and his other drunk 5th columnists with tight ties to Washington and their think tanks. It will be absorbed in our lifetime and that is good.
    Sorry bad turn of phrase by me. Maybe your lifetime but I doubt in mine, I am 69.
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    Post  Project Canada Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:56 pm


    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:06 pm

    whir wrote:
    auslander wrote:In the end EU will expect Mother Russia to save the poor starving and freezing orcs. Sorry, after all I've seen and heard my well of sympathy for the lot of them is dry, let them go jump and chant at the polish border barricades and they can eat their eu dreams and freeze while looking at the dream of prosperity that will be forever just beyond their grasp. Karma is a b///h, ain't it.
    But the sad reality is that the old, the poor and the sick are the ones that are going to die from cold while those jumping energetically are going to spend the winter with more clothes on, a few less showers and some chilblains.

    Yep and after freezing their asses off they will hate on Russia even more and call for more blood.

    Orcs will be orcs, I guess.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:17 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Russian_empire The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Ussr

    WTF are we gonna do with millions of blood-crazed Ukrainian peasants who hate us?

    Get real man, the time for colonialism and imperialism is over.
    These days, occupying someone who wants out of your country or never asked to join in the first place is nothing but a drag, a slow-acting poison pill even.

    We don't need the Ukraine, all we should do is reduce our exposure and investment there to nothing, and cancel all forms of subsidies and everything else - so that we don't loose any more money there than the dozens of billions that we've lost already.
    We should also stop the war, by annihilating the Ukrainian army in the Donbass or facilitating its annihilation, so that that organization is no longer capable of killing the people that happen to disagree with the coupists who were appointed to rule them.

    Getting the Donbass population safe and withdrawning our assets from the Ukraine is the only thing that matters; I don't care how/what the Ukraine does after that or how they live.
    This policy should be permenant, no forgive and forget, building up new ties with the next government crap or anything like that. Any money invested there is bound to be lost for good - it comes down to that, and also that this is far too much of an unreliable and unstable country that at its core hates us - to bother building any sort of meaningful economic or political relationship with.
    Yeah I'm sorry about all the freezing pensioners, anti-government people left in the government-controlled eastern regions, the sane Ukrainians in the country and so on. They can emigrate to Russia if they want, Russia is not Scandinavia or Germany but it's still a decent place to live. Other than that, can't help them.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Russian_empire The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Ussr

    WTF are we gonna do with millions of blood-crazed Ukrainian peasants who hate us?

    Get real man, the time for colonialism and imperialism is over.
    These days, occupying someone who wants out of your country or never asked to join in the first place is nothing but a drag, a slow-acting poison pill even.

    We don't need the Ukraine, all we should do is reduce our exposure and investment there to nothing, and cancel all forms of subsidies and everything else - so that we don't loose any more money there than the dozens of billions that we've lost already.
    We should also stop the war, by annihilating the Ukrainian army in the Donbass or facilitating its annihilation, so that that organization is no longer capable of killing the people that happen to disagree with the coupists who were appointed to rule them.

    Getting the Donbass population safe and withdrawning our assets from the Ukraine is the only thing that matters; I don't care how/what the Ukraine does after that or how they live.
    This policy should be permenant, no forgive and forget, building up new ties with the next government crap or anything like that. Any money invested there is bound to be lost for good - it comes down to that, and also that this is far too much of an unreliable and unstable country that at its core hates us - to bother building any sort of meaningful economic or political relationship with.
    Yeah I'm sorry about all the freezing pensioners, anti-government people left in the government-controlled eastern regions, the sane Ukrainians in the country and so on. They can emigrate to Russia if they want, Russia is not Scandinavia or Germany but it's still a decent place to live. Other than that, can't help them.

    If that were the case Canton wouldn't be part of China, Catalonia wouldn't be part of Spain, Quebec wouldn't be part of Canada. Ukraine up to the Dnipr has historically been Russian land, its people have historically been Russian people. It is a historical injustice that Ukraine up to the Dnipr is forced together with western Ukraine which historically has more to do with Poland and Lithuania.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:40 pm

    Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    At his 100-acre farm on the outskirts of Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine’s third-largest city, Alexey Chaban looked rested. He’d just spent three months back home following a half-year of fighting.

    The 50-year-old father of four is a first lieutenant with the Ukrainian army’s 17th Tank Brigade. He became well known after he published an open letter on Facebook directed to the mother of a captured pro-Russian soldier he and his tank crew let go after a battle.

    He’s what many people here call “the typical Ukrainian hero,” since most Ukrainians fighting are middle-aged construction workers, former soldiers and farmers, like himself. During a wide-ranging interview, Chaban shared his thoughts on the pro-Russian rebels and their tactics, his experiences on the front line and the army’s drinking problem.


    The rest of the long interview is at http://warisboring.com/articles/this-is-our-stalingrad/
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    At his 100-acre farm on the outskirts of Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine’s third-largest city, Alexey Chaban looked rested. He’d just spent three months back home following a half-year of fighting.

    The 50-year-old father of four is a first lieutenant with the Ukrainian army’s 17th Tank Brigade. He became well known after he published an open letter on Facebook directed to the mother of a captured pro-Russian soldier he and his tank crew let go after a battle.

    He’s what many people here call “the typical Ukrainian hero,” since most Ukrainians fighting are middle-aged construction workers, former soldiers and farmers, like himself. During a wide-ranging interview, Chaban shared his thoughts on the pro-Russian rebels and their tactics, his experiences on the front line and the army’s drinking problem.


    The rest of the long interview is at http://warisboring.com/articles/this-is-our-stalingrad/

    BS piece of crap. He should thank the lucky stars he made it out unscathed. Maidan soldiers like him are a bunch of big talkers who only dare to bully civilians. They don't dare shoot a single bullet at Crimea. They pee their pants when they see Russian soldiers like what happened in Crimea. russia
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    Post  Regular Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:27 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

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    I would rather visit Russia myself than let Russia visit me. No thanks, last thing I want to do is to have Russians as my enemies.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:33 pm


    Just what i was saying.. Whenever u see Kiev speaking in public about "Accidents" or potential
    "Terrorism" on their nuclear reactors or dirty bombs.. you have to see it as they preparing the
    road for their propaganda ,of blaming any incident of terrorism.. on Putin and the Rebels.


    London Times's "Dirty Bomb" Article a Sign of Coming NATO False Flag

    http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/why-did-times-publish-article-about-novorossia-dirty-bomb/ri9135

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    Post  Erk Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:31 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Just what i was saying..  Whenever u see Kiev speaking in public about "Accidents" or potential
    "Terrorism" on their nuclear reactors or dirty bombs.. you have to see it as they preparing the
    road for their propaganda ,of blaming any incident of terrorism.. on Putin and the Rebels.


    London Times's "Dirty Bomb" Article a Sign of Coming NATO False Flag

    http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/why-did-times-publish-article-about-novorossia-dirty-bomb/ri9135


    And where exactly would a dirty bomb do anything useful?

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    Post  Ruthenius Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:58 pm

    Ruthenius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.

    fighting for Ukraine's independence which is really being under American control with American military bases all over it - check

    Putin is being too soft. Putin should unleash NAF on them and those bastards would pee their pants in a flash. russia

    This war is far from over. Sooner or later Maidan will try to make nukes. Putin won't be so calm when that moment comes. cheers
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    Post  Guest Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:17 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Ruthenius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.

    fighting for Ukraine's independence which is really being under American control with American military bases all over it - check

    Putin is being too soft. Putin should unleash NAF on them and those bastards would pee their pants in a flash. russia

    This war is far from over. Sooner or later Maidan will try to make nukes. Putin won't be so calm when that moment comes. cheers
    Are you 14?
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    Post  Flagship Victory Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:42 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:This war is far from over. Sooner or later Maidan will try to make nukes. Putin won't be so calm when that moment comes. cheers
    Are you 14?

    If you don't believe me, you will see I am right. Maidan is fascist. Maidan almost butchered Yanukovych. Putin may try to freeze this war, but he will never freeze this war because Maidan is as brutal as Nazis. Maidan could very well be secretly making nukes now. cheers Soon the killing will have to start. Putin is only delaying the inevitable. The killing will start soon. The killing will start very soon. cheers You know what Nazis did. Maidan is nothing but Nazis reincarnated. If you think this war has been brutal so far, you ain't seen NOTHING yet. The worst is yet to come. The killing will start soon. cheers Here's a news for you Russians. You got a war on your borders for the next 1,000+ years. Mark my words. Maidan is fascist. cheers
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    Post  auslander Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:02 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Ruthenius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.

    fighting for Ukraine's independence which is really being under American control with American military bases all over it - check

    Putin is being too soft. Putin should unleash NAF on them and those bastards would pee their pants in a flash. russia

    This war is far from over. Sooner or later Maidan will try to make nukes. Putin won't be so calm when that moment comes. cheers
    Are you 14?

    I've had him and his clone hausnabber on ignore for a long time. Makes life easier without having to wade through his pontifications.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:01 am

    Nothing special, the Poles just say "no" to the Banderashit.

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201508082036-6cqg.htm
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:26 am

    Ruthenius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.

    Thanks for the summary.
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    Post  Guest Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:33 am

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Ruthenius wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure what to make of this interview, it is very definitely an opposite view.

    Not sure why do you call it "opposite" - looks like a typical piece from UA proper patriot for me.

    Russia is guilty - check
    ...but everyone "must" give us something - check
    Killed 150 of them per each fallen UA soldier - check
    ...lost nevertheless due to dummies - check
    BFF with friendly Chechen wahabis - check
    ...war justifies kinda everything - check
    Super ebil separ pigdogs who ache for blood - check
    ...and fight for cash only - check
    War inreases patriotism - check
    ...but no concern about the same oligarchs making billions - check

    Et cetera.

    But one moment is correct- until the conflict is not frozen, Ukrainians won't comprehend the true depth of The Shyte.

    fighting for Ukraine's independence which is really being under American control with American military bases all over it - check

    Putin is being too soft. Putin should unleash NAF on them and those bastards would pee their pants in a flash. russia

    This war is far from over. Sooner or later Maidan will try to make nukes. Putin won't be so calm when that moment comes. cheers
    Are you 14?

    I've had him and his clone hausnabber on ignore for a long time. Makes life easier without having to wade through his pontifications.
    Eh, I would block him twice, but sometimes he manages to post some rather interesting news which I don't want to miss.
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    Post  auslander Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:08 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    I've had him and his clone hausnabber on ignore for a long time. Makes life easier without having to wade through his pontifications.
    Eh, I would block him twice, but sometimes he manages to post some rather interesting news which I don't want to miss.[/quote]

    I am aware of that. You are my filter for him/him, that way I don't have to slog through the clutter.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:15 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:

    That seemed to be the case last winter. A gesture of goodwill.

    Yeah while at the same time the Ukrops continue to bombard Donetsk which resulted to dozens of civilian casualties?
    I only hope the next winter will be long and bitterly cold. Ukrainistan should break apart and be absorbed into the RF russia

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    Russia did not get rid of ukraine, it was a divide et impera tactic under Yeltzin and his other drunk 5th columnists with tight ties to Washington and their think tanks. It will be absorbed in our lifetime and that is good.
    Now gonna happen without major war.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:17 am

    Project Canada wrote:

    Who would want to take on a basket case country the size of Ukraine? Absorption just isn't going to happen. Russia got rid of Ukraine over 20 years ago and certainly doesn't want it back as it now has little it wants, apart from some more Russian speaking immigrants perhaps.

    I dont know about you, but I would like to see either of these maps in my lifetime

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Russian_empire The Situation in the Ukraine. #19 - Page 8 Ussr

    So Russia should take territory from Iran and China? Do you realize what that would cost?

    And Finland wtf??

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