there is no An-25 plane!
Quite right, I was thinking of the hot and high An-32.
But the An-225 design could be shortened & widened & with 4 suitable engines it could be as good, if not better, than the Slon.
New materials and design invented since the 1980s suggests that is not likely.
I think perhaps it's time for Ilyushin to dust off a not so old project - the Il-88. The Il-88 lost to the AN-70 and the current Il-276 is just a smaller reworked version of the Il-88.
Commonality with the Il-476 is what made the Il-276 more appealing, it should be a further improved design over the Il-88, but considering they are reworking the Il-112V to the Il-212 with overwing engines like on the An-72 for STOL improvements and also better rough field FOD protection, perhaps applying overwing installations to the Il-276 might be the best solution too.
It would give a similar aircraft to the Il-88 that has commonality and shared features and performance with the Il-476 with the added bonus of improved STOL performance and FOD protection.
Being an Il-476 with shorter smaller wings and shorter fuselage and only two engines should allow production to alternate between making the two types depending on which type is more urgent at the time.
Antonov had a lot going for them but it all went to shite very quickly.
They believed their own propaganda and thought Russia would not survive without them.
The EU had similar delusions regarding the huge amount of cheap gas they bought from Russia... if the EU didn't buy it, Russia would be stuck and beg for any terms the EU demands... not.
The west has been infiltrated with Ukronazis who believe that the Ukraine is the best part of Russia and without it Russia will collapse and can never be great.
Pretty clear it was holding them back in many ways in every case... (EU and western tentacles in Russia also held them back and sabotaged everything they could).
They canceled the il-112 because of huge mistake in the project, not because that segment is completely useless.
They froze the Il-112V because the engine was not powerful or reliable enough to make it work.
Work on the engine for the Il-114 seems to have improved reliability and power to useful levels, so if they wanted to unfreeze it they could...
The problem was again having courted Ukraine too long and put resources and money on the an-140 instead of the il-112 in the nineties.
When they restarted the project 20 years later they also did it half assedly with foreseeable consequences.
Can't disagree with you there but fundamentally the Il-112 is a good aircraft that is designed to do what they want... replace the An-24/26 with enlarged internal dimensions to allow larger payloads to be carried. This effects various performance indicators that make it seem inferior but if the size increase is necessary then it is what it is.
It does not need to be world breaking, just to replace obsolete Soviet types no longer available for purchase new.
At this point better to do the Tu-330. Similar max payload (30-35 tons), decent cargo bay size (4m width) and several commonalities with tu-204/214, which is back in production.
Agree, but would like to see an Il-276 with above wing engines in a STOL configuration as it might be rather useful.
The An-72 is a good plane and the Il-212 should be a good replacement for it and the An-24/26/32.
But what was completely absurd was leaving the IP of the soviet projects with the newly independent post soviet nation. Completely crazy. Russia was the predecessor and the legal successor of soviet union. It should have kept all IP of all industries in soviet union...
And they continued with that nonsense with the Yak-152 and its "german" engine. If Russia funded the development then they own the engine design... why agree to allow it to be made in Germany when it was to be used by the Russian military.
But the west are our new friends so it will be OK....
the Il-112 was an aberration, too fusselage for only 5 t of cargo and a weak engine
The aircraft it was replacing carried 5 tons of cargo, and the engine was a standard type that will be used in Il-114s and Mi-38s and several models of medium drones like Altius, so they are making them and deploying them around the place so using that engine made sense.
The main problem was the aircraft was ready before the engine was and it was underpowered and unreliable at that time.
They continued to work on the engine for the Il-114 and presumably also for the Mi-38 and Drone projects and it seems to have gone from 3,500hp to 4,500hp and reliability has improved too so what is not to like.
Of course they decided to go for the Il-212, which is essentially history repeating because the An-72 was supposed to replace the An-24/26/32 too... if they can get that to work they may decide they don't need an Il-112V, but of course it would be cheaper to operate than an Il-212 and commercial operators will prefer the Il-112V for some roles.
In five years they will have a much better engine situation with mature engines and as they build more airports and flights expand then they might decide to finish the Il-112V or they might decide not to.
They have the aircraft design and now they have the engine so it shouldn't be hard to finish that if they want to.
If they want to.
If they don't make the Il-112V it is quite likely they will end up with a version of the Ladoga for the transport role which means a cargo version of a Let 410 really.
Is that better?
the current tendency is a large payload, the C-27 started with 5,5 tons the C-27J has 11,5 of max payload
the C-295 has 9,5 but has a narrow cargo bay only good for paratroopers
The Il-112V has reduced performance because of its wider fuselage for more bulky cargo... more engine power would improve performance in terms of weight, but to add internal capacity would likely not be needed and would be more of a problem making the Il-112 design superior to those other types.
I bet for a Il-212 similar to C-27J with PD-8 and a payload 12 to 15 tons, then can replace An-26, An-72 and An-12 , and the rest for Il-76 that is the main cargo plane of VKS
The perfect solution for light transports... the Il-114 is the troop transport equivalent of the An-24 and the Il-112V was supposed to be an enlarged cargo replacement for the An-26.
The Il-212 could be developed in troop and cargo models to replace them all, but smaller cheaper aircraft like the Il-112V could still be in demand in places where 5 tons is enough and the extra engine power could be used to increase fuel capacity to extend range.
Whilst I agree that the Il-212 should be quite a bit larger in capacity than the Il-112 it is still well outside the specs to replace the An-12.
They would have to analyse current and projected use to work out if current aircraft could do the job... therefore new planes with similar payload capacities and perhaps extra fuel to extend range would be a good purchase or if increases in payload might require increases in payload and flight range might be required.
There is no reason why the Il-276 can use more powerful engines than the Il-476... they don't need to be physically interchangeable... a couple of PD-18s or even PD-20s might give it a 30 to 35 ton payload capacity plus a MTOW increase to allow much greater flight distances... and with inflight refuelling it can be further improved by taking off with reduced fuel and topping up beyond MTOW after getting airborne.
I also think the Tu-330 makes sense in the heavier payload range no matter what they do with the Il-276... I think over wing STOL engine configuration would be useful for the lighter aircraft.
The Il-212 should just replace the An-26 and the An-72 - if it can somewhat match the latter's range.
With PD-8 engines the Il-212 should have quite a bit more force... the An-72s engines are about 6.5 tons force, while the PD-8 are supposed to be 8 tons force.
That is 13 tons force compared with 16 tons force so the Il-212 will be physically larger and more bulky but will also have 3 tons more thrust, and I would assume in terms of thrust vectoring the new design should be a bit more sophisticated and effective than the older type.
I have to agree again that the Tu-330 looks great so far, but Tupelov have a heavy workload already. They should concentrate on the PAK-DA and the new Tu-160's.
There is also the Tu-22M4 that is still a work in progress. Not to mention the other civil projects you pointed out.
Once they are in serial production the design team are fault finding so whether the Tu-214 is just a stopgap or becomes a popular export item could determine how much sense the Tu-330 makes.
I would say a transport in that weight class that already has commonality with an airliner that is widely used would be rather attractive for may countries for which western alternatives are just too expensive and relations are too fragile to commit to something that might come under sanctions for anything at all.
Then there is Myasishchev An-124 and An-225 replacement the M60-200TD proposal Which was aimed for 250 Tons payload.
So many interesting aircraft killed by Antonov... and or lack of suitable engines...
Now new engines are being developed and more importantly an engine family that allows new engines in a range of power categories to be made with new technology and design relatively quickly a lot of old designs can be dusted off and reevaluated... some were excellent and just needed the right engine, or were cancelled politically because they made an Antonov product look unnecessary...
A good example of too much workload is the competition between the Yak-152 and the Su-59 basic trainer designs. Sukhoi actually won the design competition back then but they had so much going on that they simply could not fund the project.
Careful... an unscrupulous person might misconstrue that as potentially a reason not to load up any one design bureau with too many important projects lest they be overwhelmed and start to fail or under perform....