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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:16 am

    My favorite Putin video. Smile

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:14 am

    Maybe someone else can find this on facebook. I tried and can't.
    I did find Ukraine's MOD page on facebook and there are some persons unhappy with the ato, conscription, and persons who have fled to avoid conscription, posting on there.


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    Is #US running #ATO in #Ukraine now? With #UK, #Canada help..

    (would like to find this on facebook)

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    Post  Erk Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:10 am

    Pyatt seems to be making things up. Russia is not mentioned as a subject of the Minsk II Measures. The Russian Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov is just a signatory, like the Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini, a witness if you like.

    Measure #10 says:

    Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

    I still see there are US paratroopers and equipment in Ukraine Pyatt.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:50 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:My favorite Putin video. Smile


    A real elected leader and not like all the sock puppets of the oligarchs in the west. That is
    why Putin is demonized by the western oligarch run media factory. Freedom and democracy
    is not something you find in NATO.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:29 am

    http://tass.ru/en/world/811792

    So apparently Ukraine will try to bypass Russia at the UN general assembly to get the Tribunal into effect.

    If they do that, then Russia wont have to follow it and work against it, which I hope they do.
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    Post  BKP Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:39 am

    kvs wrote:Freedom and democracy
    is not something you find in NATO.

    The West, and the US in particular, is a plutocracy with a false-front "democracy."

    A study out of Princeton finally admitted as much:

    Princeton makes it official — USA Has Become Oligarchy, No Democracy
    F. William Engdahl
    http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/11/princeton-makes-it-official-usa-has-become-oligarchy-no-democracy/

    But, even beyond just that, the entire concept of any government bestowing freedom is a fraud from the start. We're born absolutely free, and governments are only able to take away from that, not give or add to it. Like the comedian Doug Stanhope observed, the US government is like a guest at a wedding that puts his own name on a gift that someone else brougt, "yeah, that one's from me.."
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:47 am

    Althought it is very unlikely to happen but I still LIKE. Cool Cool

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150730/1025222969.html

    Austria Should Sanction US After Incident With Armed Soldiers - Lawmaker respekt russia
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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:22 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/811792

    So apparently Ukraine will try to bypass Russia at the UN general assembly to get the Tribunal into effect.

    If they do that, then Russia wont have to follow it and work against it, which I hope they do.

    Have people stopped using their brains? What happened to the actual crash investigation? There is no
    report on the conclusions and we have some BS about a tribunal. A tribunal is supposed to investigate.
    So we have two investigation processes now? What is this retarded joke.

    BTW, are we going to have a UN tribunal to investigate the shootdown of the Iranian airliner:

    http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php

    Since the US actually gave medals to the perps, I would think UN tribunal bringing in indictments
    would be rather justified to do some justice.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:26 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/811792

    So apparently Ukraine will try to bypass Russia at the UN general assembly to get the Tribunal into effect.

    If they do that, then Russia wont have to follow it and work against it, which I hope they do.

    Have people stopped using their brains?   What happened to the actual crash investigation?  There is no
    report on the conclusions and we have some BS about a tribunal.   A tribunal is supposed to investigate.
    So we have two investigation processes now?   What is this retarded joke.

    BTW, are we going to have a UN tribunal to investigate the shootdown of the Iranian airliner:

    http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php

    Since the US actually gave medals to the perps, I would think UN tribunal bringing in indictments
    would be rather justified to do some justice.

    Or Ukraine shooting down Russian airliner.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:21 am

    Gorlovka city administration released the casualty figures for January to July. 164 civilians dead including 14 children. 501 injured including 42 children.

    Map, released today, of Gorlovka showing ukrops held areas in blue, and VSN held areas and those districts of Gorlovka that usually get hit, in red, and some disputed areas in grey.

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    Post  Guest Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:36 am

    https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/status/627014662094241792
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:27 pm

    2 Maidan soldiers KIA 7 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday cheers  Remember, ladies and gents, the only way to end this war is by attrition on the ground. That's the western way. cheers Yes we westerners are mean and bad. Deal with it!
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:50 pm

    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:Freedom and democracy
    is not something you find in NATO.

    The West, and the US in particular, is a plutocracy with a false-front "democracy."

    A study out of Princeton finally admitted as much:

    Princeton makes it official — USA Has Become Oligarchy, No Democracy
    F. William Engdahl
    http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/11/princeton-makes-it-official-usa-has-become-oligarchy-no-democracy/

    But, even beyond just that, the entire concept of any government bestowing freedom is a fraud from the start. We're born absolutely free, and governments are only able to take away from that, not give or add to it. Like the comedian Doug Stanhope observed, the US government is like a guest at a wedding that puts his own name on a gift that someone else brougt, "yeah, that one's from me.."

    Here is the actual article


    http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:58 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/status/627014662094241792

    Interesting! Thank you for posting Ivan.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:37 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Gorlovka city administration released the casualty figures for January to July. 164 civilians dead including 14 children. 501 injured including 42 children.

    Map, released today, of Gorlovka showing ukrops held areas in blue, and VSN held areas and those districts of Gorlovka that usually get hit, in red, and some disputed areas in grey.

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    I wonder how many persons are left in the city? Population in 2013-- 256,714.

    I wonder how many persons have fled Ukraine to avoid ato and other reasons?

    I wonder ...
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:52 pm

    Graham W Phillips ‏@GrahamWP_UK 3h3 hours ago Moscow, Russia

    There's been a Facebook account set up in the name of Gorlovka shelling victim Anna Tuv - however, it's a fake - https://www.facebook.com/GrahamWPUK/posts/1469078276748470?pnref=story …
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:37 pm

    Not sure if this is 'crying wolf', Basurin seems to get carried away sometimes.

    Foreign specialists arrived near the contact line after the deployment of Ukraine's National Guard troops: Donetsk anticipates a new outbreak of fighting.

    DONETSK (Sputnik) – Military preparations by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the country’s east have been noticed, the self-proclaimed eastern Ukrainian People’s Republic of Donetsk’s (DPR) deputy defense minister said Friday. “We have noticed the arrival of the foreign specialists…in the Novotroitskoe residential area, located near the contact line. Earlier we reported about the arrival of about 50 National Guard troops in this area. This proves Kiev is preparing for military activities,” Eduard Basurin told reporters.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150731/1025257358.html#ixzz3hTZKvswo
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:52 pm

    Reality starting to intrude its ugly head. Not that anyone is going to say "lets spend that money on power not weapons". Or even food.

    KIEV (Sputnik) – Ukraine is facing a crisis situation in its energy sphere and the country’s Energy Ministry and state-run companies are not ready to provide heat for the upcoming winter, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Friday.

    “There is a catastrophic situation in the energy sector. On Monday, I will hold an anti-crisis energy meeting. It has come to the fact that the state company Tsentrenergo hasn’t worked for a month and a half, and only two days ago they fired up the boilers once they found out that that the prime minister was coming in order to demonstrate that there will be electricity. There is a crisis situation in the energy sector and the [Energy] Ministry and the state companies aren’t ready to provide heat and electricity for Ukraine,” Yatsenyuk said during a meeting in Kharkhiv.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150731/1025250893.html#ixzz3hTd5F0mX


    The bad news on power just keeps coming. Now Russia seems to have stopped supplying coal/anthracite to Ukraine (probably no cash) leaving just the large numbers of trucks/trains ferrying black market coal on the Luhansk/Russia/Belarus/Ukraine route, as noted by OSCE at border crossings.

    KIEV, July 31. /TASS/. Ukraine’s thermal power plants face mounting problems with coal shortages while energy companies’ coal stocks are declining, Ukrainian Deputy Energy and Coal Minister Alexander Svetelik said on Friday. The deputy minister who spoke at a roundtable discussion on preparations for the upcoming heating season said the energy companies were required to have 2.7 million tons of coal at their warehouses while the available stocks stood at 1.5 million tons. "We have contracts but coal, anthracite coal is not supplied," Svetelik said. According to the deputy energy and coal minister, Kiev is no longer receiving anthracite coal supplies from the uncontrolled east Ukrainian Donbas region, and also from Russia and some other suppliers.

    The problems with fuel supplies have forced Ukraine to halt all contracts for electricity exports while two units of the Burshtynskaya thermal power plant have had to switch from work for European consumers to the Ukrainian domestic market, the deputy energy minister said. The Ukrainian Energy and Coal Ministry is currently deciding on switching three more units of this thermal power station to work on the Ukrainian energy market, he added.

    When asked if rolling electricity blackouts could repeat as was the case during the last heating season, the deputy minister said no such measures were planned but the ministry had developed a relevant methodology. "Hour-by-hour blackouts are not envisaged at all, if coal is supplied," he said.

    The Slavyanskaya thermal power plant located in the Donbas region on the territory controlled by Kiev halted its generating capacities over the shortage of coal, Donbasenergo power utility reported on Friday. "Today, the staff of the Slavyanskaya thermal power station had to halt its generating capacities. The reason is traditional: the absence of fuel [coal] or, to be more exact, the impossibility to ensure its regular supplies to the electric power station’s warehouses," the Donbasenergo press office said.

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said on Friday during a working trip to Kharkov "the situation in the energy sector is disastrous."


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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Reality starting to intrude its ugly head. Not that anyone is going to say "lets spend that money on power not weapons". Or even food.

    KIEV (Sputnik) – Ukraine is facing a crisis situation in its energy sphere and the country’s Energy Ministry and state-run companies are not ready to provide heat for the upcoming winter, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Friday.

    “There is a catastrophic situation in the energy sector. On Monday, I will hold an anti-crisis energy meeting. It has come to the fact that the state company Tsentrenergo hasn’t worked for a month and a half, and only two days ago they fired up the boilers once they found out that that the prime minister was coming in order to demonstrate that there will be electricity. There is a crisis situation in the energy sector and the [Energy] Ministry and the state companies aren’t ready to provide heat and electricity for Ukraine,” Yatsenyuk said during a meeting in Kharkhiv.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150731/1025250893.html#ixzz3hTd5F0mX

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:30 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not sure if this is 'crying wolf', Basurin seems to get carried away sometimes.

    Foreign specialists arrived near the contact line after the deployment of Ukraine's National Guard troops: Donetsk anticipates a new outbreak of fighting.

    DONETSK (Sputnik) – Military preparations by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the country’s east have been noticed, the self-proclaimed eastern Ukrainian People’s Republic of Donetsk’s (DPR) deputy defense minister said Friday. “We have noticed the arrival of the foreign specialists…in the Novotroitskoe residential area, located near the contact line. Earlier we reported about the arrival of about 50 National Guard troops in this area. This proves Kiev is preparing for military activities,” Eduard Basurin told reporters.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150731/1025257358.html#ixzz3hTZKvswo

    I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, but maybe someone else, another source will report it. I mean someone near them. geographically.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:36 pm

    RBK-Ukraine reports that Ukraine has enough coal to power their powerplants for exactly 1 day. Most of the coalmines are in Donbass which Kiev can't get access to. Also says that many miners have protested in the past weeks about their salaries and the lack of interest from the government.

    So what happens when powerstations on coal are turned off? Do Ukrainians NPPs produce enough electricity for Ukraine? I'm afraid Kiev is going to either turn off electricity for Crimea or make it very expensive.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:37 pm

    It says: Just look at these criminals,rapists&murderers that KIEV used in Donbass,it took over a year 2 expose these sickos!!


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    Post  par far Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:58 pm

    Neutrality wrote:RBK-Ukraine reports that Ukraine has enough coal to power their powerplants for exactly 1 day. Most of the coalmines are in Donbass which Kiev can't get access to. Also says that many miners have protested in the past weeks about their salaries and the lack of interest from the government.

    So what happens when powerstations on coal are turned off? Do Ukrainians NPPs produce enough electricity for Ukraine? I'm afraid Kiev is going to either turn off electricity for Crimea or make it very expensive.


    Isn't Russia preparing electricity to Crimea, last time I heard that they were laying cables and stuff.
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    Post  BKP Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:10 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    BKP wrote:
    kvs wrote:Freedom and democracy
    is not something you find in NATO.

    The West, and the US in particular, is a plutocracy with a false-front "democracy."

    A study out of Princeton finally admitted as much:

    Princeton makes it official — USA Has Become Oligarchy, No Democracy
    F. William Engdahl
    http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/11/princeton-makes-it-official-usa-has-become-oligarchy-no-democracy/

    But, even beyond just that, the entire concept of any government bestowing freedom is a fraud from the start. We're born absolutely free, and governments are only able to take away from that, not give or add to it. Like the comedian Doug Stanhope observed, the US government is like a guest at a wedding that puts his own name on a gift that someone else brougt, "yeah, that one's from me.."

    Here is the actual article


    http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
    Thought the article contained a link to the actual study, but it doesn't, so thanks.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:21 pm

    par far wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:RBK-Ukraine reports that Ukraine has enough coal to power their powerplants for exactly 1 day. Most of the coalmines are in Donbass which Kiev can't get access to. Also says that many miners have protested in the past weeks about their salaries and the lack of interest from the government.

    So what happens when powerstations on coal are turned off? Do Ukrainians NPPs produce enough electricity for Ukraine? I'm afraid Kiev is going to either turn off electricity for Crimea or make it very expensive.


    Isn't Russia preparing electricity to Crimea, last time I heard that they were laying cables and stuff.

    sdelanounas.ru just released an article regarding this:

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/65809/

    "Rosteh" started constructing 2 power stations which will generate near 1GW combined. Crimea right now consumes 880MW. The first power bridge from Russia will provide 300-350MW and it will be completed at the end of this year. After completion of the 2nd power bridge that amount will grow to 800-840MW. Right now 70% of the peninsula's electricity comes from Ukraine.

    A lot of effort is being done and if everything goes well, without delay, the entire peninsula will be independent from Ukraine's electricity in 2017- beginning of 2018.

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