Iraqi Army

Wow it looks so used. Probably one of the first four, likely hasn't been cleaned since it came in Iraq. Must be some very intensive flying they do on them.

They are flying non stop...maybe 20+ sorties a day between them. The first ones will probably go back for overhaul next year!!

And here's today's action

Interest how they arm the Hind with 8 x Ataka all off one hardpoint. I would think that would unbalance it.

Can you please translate what he said?

The arrival of MI-28 night hunter, the advanced aircraft with many capabilities and advanced weaponry which the ground forces will require, capable of operating at day and night, capable of attacking (armored) vechile's and soft targets. A new platform for the army air aviation that enhances their capabilities and so on.

Nothing important

Ok, thank you.
Keep us updated.

some more updates...

The recently delivered D20s get their baptism of fire.

Nice.

1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

iraqidabab wrote:1 MI-35 was downed today by Strela or Igla in ISIS hands taken from Syria, the result of Iraqi ministry of defence being cheap and not buying the defense upgrades for the MI-35 & MI-28.

DIRCM's would of helped alot!

Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.

Werewolf wrote:Well, told you they are missing self suite system which they should have bought, now they have to buy a new Mi-35 so they can save 200.000 USD again on Self suite system and pay 10-20 mln USD for a new helicopter, the short sightetness is amazing.

They should of spent those "dead presidents" to get some President-S:

BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.

magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW Werewolf, we really need to see Morfey integration in to future defense suites to counter improving future manpad technology. A Morfey module (compact enough to hopefully fit 5 or 6 missiles) that can easily be attached between the cabin and the tail rotor would be excellent, and obviously Kamov would probably have the advantage of easier installation because their coaxial rotor doesn't have or need a tail rotor to be useful.

I don't know the dimensions of Morfei missile can you provide some info?

If the missile is that small it could be actually used on Mi-35 which would take at most 2 seats in cargo room, furthest to the after section that connect to the tail section.

The most cost effective and safest on the market defense suite system would be Vitebsk with DIRCM, without DIRCM you can flare almost your entire flares with relative uneffective results, IIR-seekers are only effectivley dazzled by DIRCM and that would be far cheaper and easier to install on any plattform than Morfei APS system.

Russia needs to equip all their Mi-24PK/VM2/VP2 (Mi-35M/PM) with vitebsk and DIRCM not just the old Beroza SPO-15 and LIP self defense suites, just not enough.

the pic of the downed mi35

Hope they are now smart enough to equip their Mi-35/28 with defense suite before losing them.

Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer. Hopefully now after this.

mutantsushi wrote:Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer.  Hopefully now after this.

Wow, a friggin' RPG! APS needs to be implemented on aircraft, the problem is how to get it done... The easiest option would be to have it be related to ground based systems, as in a soft kill-hard kill system. The hard kill system would have to use some kind of super fast air-to-air missile, just complicating matters even more... Better yet, prevent the rocket from launching at you in the first place...

May the crew rest in peace, along with the Mi...

mutantsushi wrote:Not sure where I saw, but I believe I read that it was shot down by RPG, i.e. not a guided weapon at all (susceptible to DIRCM)
Some kind of APS would be needed for that threat, albeit Morfei missiles sound like way too much overkill, +more subject to saturation.
That, and tactics/training to avoid situations that are more vulnerable to that threat...
But DIRCM to deal with I/IR missiles seems a no-brainer.  Hopefully now after this.

If that was a RPG indeed then it would be almost impossible to install any effecient system to safe the helicopter from RPGs which are fired less then 50m from the helicopter to even have any chance of hitting the helicopter.
The far higher chance is to hope that the RPG will hit something non vital part of the helicopter that would maintain a high survivability rate for the helicopter and pilots.

The most important factor for Attack Helicopter operations and the combat effeciency and survivability is planning and high quality intel of the surrounding, mission and the planned mission flight path to avoid detection or entering of enemy zone, but providing intel for every single mission is very time intensive and often not possible in such QRF like forces.

till now the iraq army was nothing more then a supply depot for ISIS, even ther state of the art combat helicopters were used despicably bad