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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #17

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    Post  medo Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:29 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time.  Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large.  The Kiev Junta has sent incinerators to the front - only a fool would believe they also didn't send refrigerator units to salvage whatever they could.

    Add to this pool of organ harvesting the kidnappings, and death squads terrorizing families in the Donbass suspected of sympathies to the DPR and LPR, and you have a very profitable and sinister recipe for evil.  With this law, criminal death squads will be able to force or forge the signatures of their own victims, thus legalizing everything.

    Now you know, what is the fate of wounded Ukrainian soldiers. Taking organs for sale and than a road to graveyard.
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    Post  max steel Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time.  Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large.  The Kiev Junta has sent incinerators to the front - only a fool would believe they also didn't send refrigerator units to salvage whatever they could.

    Add to this pool of organ harvesting the kidnappings, and death squads terrorizing families in the Donbass suspected of sympathies to the DPR and LPR, and you have a very profitable and sinister recipe for evil.  With this law, criminal death squads will be able to force or forge the signatures of their own victims, thus legalizing everything.

    Thats what Israelis also do .
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    Post  whir Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:39 pm

    medo wrote:Now you know, what is the fate of wounded Ukrainian soldiers. Taking organs for sale and than a road to graveyard.
    Like those "surgical waste" marked graves? Neutral Weren't those an attempt to avoid having to compensate the families of those MIA and KIA that exceeded the official data?

    In my view they're just trying to make money out of poor people by putting a price tag to their kidneys and livers. If legalised then sadly many people that has plunged into poverty since last year is going to willingly sell their organs for a few thousand euros or dollars to cope with their debts. After months of rumours about organ harvesting this is no less dramatic but at least it isn't just simply criminal, by legalising this practices they can try to attract some of the big shady European health tourism that bloomed last decade all over the Middle East that everyone likes to ignore.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:05 pm

    max steel wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time.  Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large.  The Kiev Junta has sent incinerators to the front - only a fool would believe they also didn't send refrigerator units to salvage whatever they could.

    Add to this pool of organ harvesting the kidnappings, and death squads terrorizing families in the Donbass suspected of sympathies to the DPR and LPR, and you have a very profitable and sinister recipe for evil.  With this law, criminal death squads will be able to force or forge the signatures of their own victims, thus legalizing everything.

    Thats what Israelis also do .

    Link?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:34 pm


    People keep mentioning late July as a date of Ukraine default. If true, could that be the time when combat intensifies?

    Are there strategic advantages to waiting for Ukraine's default before NAF hits UAF? Would that be auspicious moment for NAF?

    We know that ukrops have been trying for a long time to provoke NAF response in order to divert attention and garner support but NAF is not biting.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    [i]Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time.  Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large.  ........................................


    Don't be too surprised with organ harvesting. It is anything but new phenomenon.

    Yes, it came to light in Albania but that was simply because perpetrators got sloppy because they felt untouchable. KLA had full support and blessing of USA for those activities and victims were considered expendable subhumans, so they simply did not feel the need to be as cautious as usual.

    But this happens all the time even in places that are way more stable than Ukraine. It is happening as we speak round the world.
    Just count all the wars, crisis and conflicts gong on at the moment on this planet. Those are all very abundant and stable sources of cheap human organs and business is good...
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    People keep mentioning late July as a date of Ukraine default. If true, could that be the time when combat intensifies?

    Are there strategic advantages to waiting for Ukraine's default before NAF hits UAF? Would that be auspicious moment for NAF?

    We know that ukrops have been trying for a long time to provoke NAF response in order to divert attention and garner support but NAF is not biting.
    There is a $120m interest payment due on 24 July. This is a 'private' state debt.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:28 am

    JohninMK wrote:Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time.  Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large.  The Kiev Junta has sent incinerators to the front - only a fool would believe they also didn't send refrigerator units to salvage whatever they could.

    Add to this pool of organ harvesting the kidnappings, and death squads terrorizing families in the Donbass suspected of sympathies to the DPR and LPR, and you have a very profitable and sinister recipe for evil.  With this law, criminal death squads will be able to force or forge the signatures of their own victims, thus legalizing everything.

    This is very sad.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:59 am

    Interesting video.. a must see..
    With Webster Tarpley.. conference.. he explain Europe ,future or Europe
    ,and Russia and Donetsk Republic that he visited recently. .and he say
    very good things about DOnetsk leadership.. he also talks about US next elections
    and things happening behind the scene.. a must see video..





    Just when you taught you have heard it all..

    Ukraine Nationalist Lawmakers Want to Ban References to Russia as 'Russia'

    Now this one takes the cake in the most ridiculous idea Ukrainians Parliament
    have proposed. The Yatsenut Berlin Wall idea was not the most crazy ..Neither the claim
    that it was Russia who invaded Germany and Ukraine.. and Germans and ukies fought in self defense. thing.. no no.. sit down and listen this.. Very Happy    

    Ukrainians radicals Parties.. in RADA ,(Oksana Korchynska, Ukraine MP from the Radical
    Party of Oleg Lyashko) now wants 12 years in Prison for any ukrainian
    who mention the word "Russia" in public as referring to their neighbors Russia..  
    instead now the only word permitted will be Russia Federation .. and why is that ?
    Because according to Oksana Korchynska, one MP in RADA.. is that Ukraine is the real Russia..
    (because of Kievan Rus) so that word belong to them.. lol1

    So now Ukraine is the only one who can use the title of Russia.. pirat
    Probably she was really high in Drugs when she submitted that law..
    So if the law pass.. Ukrainians now can be called Russians.. Wink  ,and their language is Russian
    too.  This an explain their big identity problem Ukrainians Have.. they don't know who they are.

    When in reality they are all Russians to me more accurate most of Ukraine was a part of Russia territory before soviet times ,and there was no difference between people living in today
    Ukraine and people in Moscow. The only exception were the muslins Tatars ,that they were not
    slavic and more like Turkish .

    http://russia-insider.com/en/ukraine-nationalist-lawmakers-want-ban-references-russia-russia/ri8599
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:17 am

    As expected, the Russians in the UN are saying no to a UN investigation into MH-17.

    UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) – According to Vitaly Churkin, the draft resolution, prepared by the Malaysian delegation, classifies the crash as a threat to international peace and stability, despite the fact that a single incident cannot be classified that way.

    "Personally, I do not see any perspectives for these documents. They need to be put aside, we need to wait for the results of the investigation and then think on how to effectively organize criminal proceedings." The Russian envoy pointed out that international tribunals have never been created following civilian aircraft crashes, some of which were not criminally investigated at all.

    Independence supporters and Kiev forces, which launched a military operation in Ukraine’s southeast in April 2014, have accused each other of causing the tragedy.

    The Dutch Safety Board, investigating the circumstances surrounding the plane crash, has completed a draft report on the incident. The countries taking part in the investigation received the document on June 2, and have two months to provide comments on it before the final report is published in October. According to a September 2014 preliminary report by the Dutch Safety Board, MH17 broke up in the air after being hit by multiple objects from outside the airframe.

    In June, Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey unveiled the results of its own inquiry, showing that flight MH17 was downed by a guided missile launched by a Buk-M1 system. The particular missile has not been produced in Russia since 1999, but remains in service in the Ukrainian army, according to Almaz-Antey.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024441623.html#ixzz3fTihQuaZ


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:23 am

    One suspects that the generation of reports like this was one of the reasons behind the strategy of the DNR move. Trying to make both the Right Sector better known and expose the response of Kiev.

    Ukrainian volunteer battalions have reportedly refused to leave the village of Shirokino in eastern Ukraine, which had been declared a demilitarized zone. Representatives of Ukrainian volunteer battalions have expressed disagreement with the demilitarization of the village of Shirokino in eastern Ukraine, saying that they will not withdraw from the area, according to a daily report by the Special Monitoring Mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

    The report also referred to the Right Sector, a radical Ukrainian political movement, citing its unwillingness to comply with a possible governmental order to pull out of Shirokino. For their part, representatives of the National Guard Donbas volunteer battalion said that they had not received orders to withdraw, according to the report.

    On July 1, the authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic unilaterally declared a demilitarized zone. Denis Pushilin, chairman of the republic's Supreme Council Presidium, said that the decision on the demilitarization of Shirokino had been made by the republic's authorities "as an act of goodwill and a demonstration of peaceful intentions."

    The demilitarization plan stipulates that the conflicting parties withdraw their troops to a distance of 2.5 kilometers from the front line; tanks with 100mm guns as well as 85mm mortars should move back to a distance of 15 kilometers, under the plan.

    Kiev was quick to describe the Donetsk People's Republic's decision to demilitarize Shirokino as an attempt to cover their retreat.

    During their visit to Shirokino on July 4, OSCE observers specifically noted the absence of pro-independence supporters and local residents in the village. Alexander Hug, deputy head of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission, said that all of the fortifications, checkpoints and private houses have been abandoned, and that the village has been 80 percent destroyed.

    Located between the towns of Mariupol and Novoazovsk, Shorokino has become one of the hottest spots in the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine's Donbass region in the past few months. Fighting in Shirokino showed no sign of abating, even after the Normandy Quartet of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France in February signed an agreement on the settlement of the situation in the Donbass region, which specifically envisages a ceasefire and the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024445652.html#ixzz3fTjicGTH
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    Post  Erk Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:29 pm

    JohninMK wrote:As expected, the Russians in the UN are saying no to a UN investigation into MH-17.

    UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) – According to Vitaly Churkin, the draft resolution, prepared by the Malaysian delegation, classifies the crash as a threat to international peace and stability, despite the fact that a single incident cannot be classified that way.

    "Personally, I do not see any perspectives for these documents. They need to be put aside, we need to wait for the results of the investigation and then think on how to effectively organize criminal proceedings." The Russian envoy pointed out that international tribunals have never been created following civilian aircraft crashes, some of which were not criminally investigated at all.

    Independence supporters and Kiev forces, which launched a military operation in Ukraine’s southeast in April 2014, have accused each other of causing the tragedy.

    The Dutch Safety Board, investigating the circumstances surrounding the plane crash, has completed a draft report on the incident. The countries taking part in the investigation received the document on June 2, and have two months to provide comments on it before the final report is published in October. According to a September 2014 preliminary report by the Dutch Safety Board, MH17 broke up in the air after being hit by multiple objects from outside the airframe.

    In June, Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey unveiled the results of its own inquiry, showing that flight MH17 was downed by a guided missile launched by a Buk-M1 system. The particular missile has not been produced in Russia since 1999, but remains in service in the Ukrainian army, according to Almaz-Antey.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024441623.html#ixzz3fTihQuaZ


    I thought the Russians would welcome an UN investigation of MH17 rather than this closed investigation under NDA, what do you think is going on there?
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:43 pm

    I laughed a lot!

    When Ukrainians ban the word "Russia", what will they call that country in politics, literature etc? What will school textbooks call it? Putinistan? Or maybe they'll pretend that Russia does not exist ant that east of Ukraine there is an ocean or uninhabitated land? If the option 2, then they'll have to give up claims of Russian support for rebels - empty land cannot support anyone after all...

    They wanted to ban the word "Rus" as well... What replacement name will they give to Kievan Rus? "Early Medieval Ukrainian State Entity"?
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:35 pm

    2 Maidan soldiers KIA 10 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.
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    Post  whir Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:44 pm

    Erk wrote:I thought the Russians would welcome an UN investigation of MH17 rather than this closed investigation under NDA, what do you think is going on there?
    The current investigation is still ongoing, there's no precedent and since Malaysia was sidelined from the beginning because it maintained a cautious stance about the situation this proposal can be acknowledged as just a farce in an attempt to cast on stone the "Putin did it" mantra.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:04 pm

    whir wrote:
    Erk wrote:I thought the Russians would welcome an UN investigation of MH17 rather than this closed investigation under NDA, what do you think is going on there?
    The current investigation is still ongoing, there's no precedent and since Malaysia was sidelined from the beginning because it maintained a cautious stance about the situation this proposal can be acknowledged as just a farce in an attempt to cast on stone the "Putin did it" mantra.

    Followed by

    UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) — The Malaysian proposal to create an international tribunal to prosecute those responsible for downing the Malaysia Airlines MH17 airplane in eastern Ukraine last year will be discussed by the United Nations Security Council next week, a council source said Friday. "The start of consultations is expected next week," a Security Council official told RIA Novosti, referring to talks on the establishment of a tribunal.

    According to a preliminary report on the incident, the plane disintegrated in midair after being hit by numerous high-energy objects.

    According to Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vitaly Churkin, the Malaysian delegation's draft resolution classifies the crash as a threat to international peace and stability, despite the fact that a single incident cannot be classified in that way.

    On July 17, 2014, the MH17 flight was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it crashed in eastern Ukraine, resulting in the deaths of all 298 people on board. At the time, there was intense fighting between Kiev forces and independence supporters in the region. The sides to the conflict have since accused each other of causing the tragedy.

    The final report on the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the airplane crash, conducted by the Dutch Safety Board, is due to be published in October.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150710/1024453641.html#ixzz3fUP0RPxM
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    Post  Nikander Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:37 pm

    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:As expected, the Russians in the UN are saying no to a UN investigation into MH-17.

    UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) – According to Vitaly Churkin, the draft resolution, prepared by the Malaysian delegation, classifies the crash as a threat to international peace and stability, despite the fact that a single incident cannot be classified that way.

    "Personally, I do not see any perspectives for these documents. They need to be put aside, we need to wait for the results of the investigation and then think on how to effectively organize criminal proceedings." The Russian envoy pointed out that international tribunals have never been created following civilian aircraft crashes, some of which were not criminally investigated at all.

    Independence supporters and Kiev forces, which launched a military operation in Ukraine’s southeast in April 2014, have accused each other of causing the tragedy.

    The Dutch Safety Board, investigating the circumstances surrounding the plane crash, has completed a draft report on the incident. The countries taking part in the investigation received the document on June 2, and have two months to provide comments on it before the final report is published in October. According to a September 2014 preliminary report by the Dutch Safety Board, MH17 broke up in the air after being hit by multiple objects from outside the airframe.

    In June, Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey unveiled the results of its own inquiry, showing that flight MH17 was downed by a guided missile launched by a Buk-M1 system. The particular missile has not been produced in Russia since 1999, but remains in service in the Ukrainian army, according to Almaz-Antey.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150710/1024441623.html#ixzz3fTihQuaZ


    I thought the Russians would welcome an UN investigation of MH17 rather than this closed investigation under NDA, what do you think is going on there?

    Why would they welcome a tribunal which will probably be in the Netherlands and whose sole goal will be to put the blame on Russia? Just like with this joke of investigation that the Dutch are doing the tribunal's goal will not be to find the truth but to help the West reach their geopolitical goals. Just like the Hague court, ECHR and all those other jokes of institutions, there is no justice in them for western geopolitical rivals. For Russia to allow formation of that court would be suicide.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:40 pm

    Are they going to setup a tribunal for those who took part in the Odessa massacre? No? Then they can fuck off with their double standard bullshit and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. These fucking morons are only good at making sensational headlines. What about investigations regarding the whole sniper thing at the Maidan or the political murders of ex-communist party members and ex-Party of Regions members? Or the still-not-covered-by-Western-media murders of several journalists? Let's not stop there, let's also look into SBU activities across the country which are textbook Gestapo practices for tracking down "separatists".

    Again, as long as not single word is mentioned about the above issues I mentioned, these fucking retards don't have ANY moral highground.


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    Post  auslander Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:41 pm

    Now you know what the report says. If Novorossiya and RF were exonerated in the report there would be no calls for such foolishness in the UNSC.

    I can not help but think that there are minimum two sets of satellite imagery showing exactly what happened and who done it, one in Langley and one in Mockba.
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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:50 pm

    auslander wrote:Now you know what the report says. If Novorossiya and RF were exonerated in the report there would be no calls for such foolishness in the UNSC.

    I can not help but think that there are minimum two sets of satellite imagery showing exactly what happened and who done it, one in Langley and one in Mockba.  

    I can already predict how the official report will look like. The report will establish what we have known from the very beginning: the plane was downed by a BUK. As for the "who did it?" will be evidence from social media trying to point fingers at Russia.
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    Post  whir Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:25 pm

    auslander wrote:Now you know what the report says. If Novorossiya and RF were exonerated in the report there would be no calls for such foolishness in the UNSC.
    Or maybe the esoteric wording of the report mimics pretty much every other technical investigation of why an aircraft has fall to the ground, just remember Iran Air Flight 655 where investigators concluded the downing to "external factors".
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:59 pm

    Very loud explosion reported from Donetsk in the last few minutes from residents. Seems to be centered somewhere near Kirovsky with sound and shock effects felt in Budenovsky and Kalinsky, which is downtown Donetsk. Reports like this often indicate yet another Tochka-U strike on the chemical factory
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    Post  auslander Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:42 pm

    Now isn't this interesting. 03 July publication of Mr. Putin's remarks to the Russian Security council.

    Transcript of Putin's address, from Kremlin.ru, to the Russian Security Council:

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/partners-no-more-its-official-putin.html

    President of Russia Vladimir Putin: "Good afternoon, colleagues,

    Our agenda today includes a range of issues concerning protection of our national interests in the face of the restrictive measures that some countries have imposed on Russia.

    We know the reasons for the pressure being put on Russia. We follow an independent domestic and foreign policy and our sovereignty is not up for sale. This does not go down well in some quarters, but this is inevitable.

    It is clear today that attempts to split and divide our society, play on our problems, and seek out our vulnerable spots and weak links have not produced the results hoped for by those who imposed these restrictive measures on our country and continue to support them.


    Our people, our key political forces, and our business community understand what is happening and know what to do. The timely measures we took have stabilised the economic and financial situation and the labour market and ensured the stable functioning of all strategically important economic sectors. We continue implementing our most important state programmes, including in the social sector.

    Furthermore, our companies, Russia’s producers, have proven that they are capable of developing in tough conditions, finding new partners, and entering new markets at home and abroad. This can be seen in the rapid growth of our agriculture sector.

    Colleagues, recent events show that we cannot hope that some of our geopolitical OPPONENTS........

    Not partners, now opponents.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:43 pm

    US financial bubble part might be up for debate, but the rest of this historical comparison and analysis is spot on, especially last paragraph.  thumbsup

    Borodino--2015

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/borodino-2015.html

    By Aleksandr Rodzhers

    Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    "We retreated and retreated in silence
    Humiliated, we desired battle
    Veterans grumbled:
    Are we off to winter quarters?
    Don't our commanders know
    How to tear foreign uniforms to shreds
    With Russian bayonets?"
    Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov, "Borodino"

    Two hundred years have passed and nothing has changed. Veterans are once again grumbling, but they are deprived of the specifics, they don't see the full picture, but even so they are demanding an instant victory.

    They don't care that the US defense budget is ten times higher than Russia's, they don't care about the NATO-RF balance of forces. They don't know the number, the range, the speed of US cruise missiles. They don't know how many US nuclear warheads would break through Russian defenses should the mutually assured destruction scenario be implemented, and how many people will be left among the living. They don't think about the consequences. They just want to "smack" something (just as certain superannuated US senators suffering from dementia).

    What would have happened if Kutuzov, having assumed command, followed the hotheads' recommendations and gave a general battle right away?

    First of all, the full strength of Russian forces was considerably lower than that of the Grande Armee. That's why Kutuzov delayed for several months, bringing up and forming reserves.

    Secondly, both the flying columns under Denis Davydov and the people's militia partisans were weakening the French army all this time, killing its personnel, demoralizing, interrupting forage and breaking the supply lines.

    Thus when the day of battle at Borodino came, the Russian army showed up considerably strengthened, while the French army--weaker.
    However, the general battle did not yield a decisive result. It was a draw. And "Moscow, burned by fire, fell to the French."

    And then what? Then the Russians quite quickly assembled new regiments, restored their army's strength and Napoleon, stuck in Moscow, was faced with a starving army at the end of a cut supply tether.
    What would have happened if Borodino were fought a few months later? Russia would have won with far fewer casualties, because the French would have been weakened not only by partisans but also by General Frost. But Kutuzov was being pressured by hundreds of the "Kutuzov betrayed" folks of the era who demanded an immediate victory.

    Do you think any of them repented after Kutuzov's victory and Napoleon's ejection from Russia? No they were still unhappy that "Moscow was not held."
    It's the same today. What changes have we seen in the global balance of forces over the last year?

    1. The Kiev regime is on the brink of default. The majority of the population is disappointed by the collapse of euroillusions, the poverty, and the mobilization. And the regime is balancing on the brink of default.
    2. The Greece referendum threatens the entire EU financial and banking system, and now EU couldn't care less about Ukraine.

    Also the Europeans' view on sanctions and Russia has changed over the last year--many Italian and German firms are openly ignoring sanctions, doing business in Russia.

    3. Cooperation within BRICS, SCO, and Collective Security Treaty has increased. Contracts signed with China at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum are estimated at trillion dollars.  

    4. The US is facing another financial bubble ready to burst which threatens to exceed the Great Depression in magnitude, which was just recently demonstrated by the most recent NYSE report. This supercrisis threatens to bury not only the US hegemony but the very existence of the US. Time here is also on Russia's side.
    5. Russia has lowered its US Treasuries holdings by 50%, to 66 billion dollars.
    6. The "crisis" in China. Its volume is estimated at about 2.2 trillion USD. However, commenters seem to forget that China has more than 1.3 trillion USD worth of treasuries. China's reserves are nearly 4 trillion USD. So they can easily quench this crisis with liquidity, buying up the depreciated shares at a discount (and logic suggests it's better to wait a bit longer, while they are still falling).

    The Russian government acted in a similar manner last spring, having bought up a sizable quantity of state corporation shares, thus having saved $20 billion thanks to the panic.

    So now we are faced with the following question: what happens if China quenches its crisis by dumping a trillion dollars of treasuries? How will it affect the US economy?

    All in all, Russia is concentrating and strengthening, while the US are losing positions and weakening. Soon we'll be observing the election battle between yet another Bush and yet another Clinton. The time, guys, is on our side. Don't hurry Kutuzov.

    J.Hawk's Comment: 1812 is not the only example (or counter-example) of this phenomenon. Russia went on the offensive prematurely in 1914 and 1915 before it was able to achieve a strategic concentration (Svechin wrote about it at length in his work On Strategy), and likewise the Soviet Spring '42 offensives were arguably the worst strategic move by Stalin, without which Sevastopol probably would not have been lost and the Battle of Stalingrad would not have to have been fought.

    Russia's ability to mobilize is a crucial advantage it has over Western adversaries whose capabilities are more of a "shop-window" variety. There are very few recorded cases in which Russia or USSR had to act sooner rather than later. Today, as Rodzhers writes, it's no different, and the whole of "Putin betrayed" crowd really does remind one of the criticism that Kutuzov faced when pursuing his war-winning strategy. And let's not forget that even Borodino was fought not because Kutuzov wanted to fight it, but because the "armchair strategists", the 19th-century "Colonel" Cassads and Girkin/"Strelkovs" wanted him to fight one and (luckily, unlike the current "Colonels" and "Strelkovs") they had the czar's ear, being in St. Petersburg rather than with the army.
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    Post  whir Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:US financial bubble part might be up for debate, but the rest of this historical comparison and analysis is spot on, especially last paragraph.
    It's not, armchair generals maybe wrong in their approach but those that preach that there's a masterplan where everything that is happening fits in it suffer from the same disease: disillusion.

    Take just this three points as an example:

    1. Kiev is not going to default and if it does it's not going to be for lack of loans but to hurt Moscow.

    2. Most Greeks genuinely want to be in both EU and euro so they're going to swallow whatever it takes to stay inside. Just wait to see the real greek drama in the coming weeks once the much needed and praises reforms start hitting everyone like a jackhammer.

    6. The multiples bubbles in China pose a massive threat not only to China but to the world's economy and with or without speculative attacks in the end the poor people that has indebted themselves to buy shares are the ones that are going to lose their money and end up even more poor than they were.

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