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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:22 am

    Erk wrote:Donbass calling for international war crimes tribunal against Kiev.



    Really Good move.. about damn time .. even if the freedom loving
    Europe ignore this.. it will make headlines . and make them look bad.
    Im sure many european countries will try to promote and keep
    the headlines on media about kiev warcrimes.
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    Post  Guest Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:30 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Erk wrote:Donbass calling for international war crimes tribunal against Kiev.



    Really Good move..  about damn time ..  even if the freedom loving
    Europe ignore this.. it will make headlines . and make them look bad.
    Im sure many european countries will try to promote and keep
    the headlines on media about kiev warcrimes.
    These international tribunals are a joke and Pork and co. will never be tried like that.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:13 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Erk wrote:Donbass calling for international war crimes tribunal against Kiev.



    Really Good move..  about damn time ..  even if the freedom loving
    Europe ignore this.. it will make headlines . and make them look bad.
    Im sure many european countries will try to promote and keep
    the headlines on media about kiev warcrimes.

    It will make them look bad!!!!! Sigh.....
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:04 am



    No maidan in Armenia..
    This should answer all the doubts about the revolution there..

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:04 am


    No maidan in Armenia..
    This should answer all the doubts about the revolution there..

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:05 am


    No maidan in Armenia..
    This should answer all the doubts about the revolution there..

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    Post  whir Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:59 am

    Факти ICTV wrote:"Black Tulip" brought more than 600 bodies from the Donbass
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    Post  gregoire Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:10 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    No maidan in Armenia..
    This should answer all the doubts about the revolution there..


    And no revolution either. Just people fed up being squeezed.
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    Post  gregoire Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:12 am

    There goes the last shred of impartiality and credibility of the OSCE after the banning of russian speakers at the conference.

    OSCE votes to condemn russian aggression
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    Post  Erk Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:58 am

    gregoire wrote:There goes the last shred of impartiality and credibility of the OSCE after the banning of russian speakers at the conference.

    OSCE votes to condemn russian aggression

    If the OSCE are going to be so blatently biased, then DPR/LPR should kick them out and start shooting down the OSCE spy drones. We are talking about saving peoples lives here, if the OSCE are feeding Kiev strategic targeting info from their drones, that's a really bad thing.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:04 am

    gregoire wrote:There goes the last shred of impartiality and credibility of the OSCE after the banning of russian speakers at the conference.

    OSCE votes to condemn russian aggression
    Yet the Russians and Novorossians allow their presence in Donbass.
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    Post  auslander Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:21 am

    Erk wrote:
    gregoire wrote:There goes the last shred of impartiality and credibility of the OSCE after the banning of russian speakers at the conference.

    OSCE votes to condemn russian aggression

    If the OSCE are going to be so blatently biased, then DPR/LPR should kick them out and start shooting down the OSCE spy drones. We are talking about saving peoples lives here, if the OSCE are feeding Kiev strategic targeting info from their drones, that's a really bad thing.

    OSCE's bias has been common knowledge from the beginning, they just made it official. Their operatives have been caught with distressing frequency planting targeting devices and the traffic of OSCE drones over Novorossiya is considerably more than over the orc lines. OSCE operatives should be put out of Novorossiya but they won't be.

    After reading the OSCE sight they as usual blame everything on RF and demand some things, including border control in Novorossiya areas, to be implemented from the Minsk Agreement from February that are not to be done until Ukeland does a whole lot of things to honor the agreement. To this date Ukeland has not done the first thing to implement Minsk 2. The foolishness about Krimu and Sevastopol is laughable, or it would be if it was not such a blatant lie that will be picked up by The World Media.

    I'm beginning to think this mess might get real ugly before it's over.


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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:30 am

    auslander wrote:OSCE operatives should be put out of Novorossiya but they won't be.
    Why is that? What or who is preventing it?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:30 pm

    Further to the posts above, Lavrov makes the valid point.

    UFA (Sputnik) — The Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE PA) is engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work after accepting an anti-Russian resolution, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Thursday.

    "During our absence, the OSCE PA has become engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work," Lavrov said during a press conference in the Russian city of Ufa.

    On Wednesday, the OSCE Parliament Assembly passed a resolution initiated by Canada and Ukraine that condemned Russia's alleged involvement in the Ukrainian conflict.

    The resolution was adopted by 96 to 7 votes, with 32 abstentions, including Switzerland, Armenia and France.

    The Russian delegation is not participating in the OSCE PA session in Helsinki, Finland, as several delegates were denied entry visas. Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin is among those not allowed into the country. The rest of the Russian delegation withdrew from participation in the session in protest.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150709/1024408102.html#ixzz3fOAlI9nk
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    Post  Erk Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:57 pm

    auslander wrote:
    I'm beginning to think this mess might get real ugly before it's over.

    Europe has become really ugly, I don't know if it's a result of US covert operations, or just a general decline in common sense. The madness with the EU economy, the fixation on NATO bases wherever possible, using Russia as a scape goat for anything they can think of. They are doing what I call majoring in minors, meaning that they are spending most of their time fixated on minor problems like Crimea, where the major ones like the collapsing QE stuffed EU economy gets worse and worse, and incredible failed socialization experiment is unraveling before our eyes. Meanwhile Russia is consolidating and getting on with it, more so than even China who seems to be struggling with things like stock market disasters that may cause the people to revolt. Lot's of things in the world are coming unstuck in different places.

    Slightly off track, but you might notice that Goldman Sachs is behind a lot of the problems in the world, either will current funding activities or former employees in positions of power and influence making strange decisions that worsen peoples lives. I was discussing this with a friend at length yesterday and we were quite surprised at how frequently Goldman Sachs seems to pop up in a lots of ugly things all around the world. eg. The CANVAS color revolutions (Muneer Satter), cooking the books for Greece to enter the EU. Draghi becoming ECB boss, and of course countless positions of influence in the US government especially on foreign policy.
    https://prof77.wordpress.com/politics/an-updated-list-of-goldman-sachs-ties-to-the-obama-government-including-elena-kagan/

    They were trying to get into Ukraine for many years:

    Goldman Sachs has agreed to advise the Ukraine government for free, according to Bloomberg.

    The bank, “which hasn’t arranged a debt or equity sale in Ukraine since at least 1999… will advise the administration of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov on managing its investments, state debt and ‘other issues of financial-policy implementation.'”

    “The selection follows Goldman’s third attempt in 17 years to crack ” the former Soviet Republic
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/goldman-sachs-is-so-desperate-to-get-into-ukraine-its-advising-the-government-for-free-2011-6

    The point I am making is if you thinks something ugly is happening, or about to happen around the middle east or Europe, look closely, I bet half the time you can find a financial connection to Goldman Sachs, or a former employee steering things. Putin needs to watch them closely. (And Soros)

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:11 pm

    Erk wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    I'm beginning to think this mess might get real ugly before it's over.

    Europe has become really ugly, I don't know if it's a result of US covert operations, or just a general decline in common sense. The madness with the EU economy, the fixation on NATO bases wherever possible, using Russia as a scape goat for anything they can think of. They are doing what I call majoring in minors, meaning that they are spending most of their time fixated on minor problems like Crimea, where the major ones like the collapsing QE stuffed EU economy gets worse and worse, and incredible failed socialization experiment is unraveling before our eyes. Meanwhile Russia is consolidating and getting on with it, more so than even China who seems to be struggling with things like stock market disasters that may cause the people to revolt. Lot's of things in the world are coming unstuck in different places.

    Slightly off track, but you might notice that Goldman Sachs is behind a lot of the problems in the world, either will current funding activities or former employees in positions of power and influence making strange decisions that worsen peoples lives. I was discussing this with a friend at length yesterday and we were quite surprised at how frequently Goldman Sachs seems to pop up in a lots of ugly things all around the world. eg. The CANVAS color revolutions (Muneer Satter), cooking the books for Greece to enter the EU. Draghi becoming ECB boss, and of course countless positions of influence in the US government especially on foreign policy.
    https://prof77.wordpress.com/politics/an-updated-list-of-goldman-sachs-ties-to-the-obama-government-including-elena-kagan/

    They were trying to get into Ukraine for many years:

    Goldman Sachs has agreed to advise the Ukraine government for free, according to Bloomberg.

    The bank, “which hasn’t arranged a debt or equity sale in Ukraine since at least 1999… will advise the administration of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov on managing its investments, state debt and ‘other issues of financial-policy implementation.'”

    “The selection follows Goldman’s third attempt in 17 years to crack ” the former Soviet Republic
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/goldman-sachs-is-so-desperate-to-get-into-ukraine-its-advising-the-government-for-free-2011-6

    The point I am making is if you thinks something ugly is happening, or about to happen around the middle east or Europe, look closely, I bet half the time you can find a financial connection to Goldman Sachs, or a former employee steering things. Putin needs to watch them closely. (And Soros)


    Europe's right wing at work and the German fixation will do that.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:32 pm

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    A member of the "Vikings" neo-Nazi group in the Right Sector during the "Euromaidan" recently repeated on a Ukrainska pravda forum his earlier public admission that he killed two policemen on February 18, 2014 and that his associate, who was deputy leader of the "Vikings," also killed two policemen on the same day from his Nagant revolver. They both served in the Ukrainian Voluntary Corps of the Right Sector during the war in Donbas. These confessions and other evidence of the involvement of the Right Sector in the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government and in the Maidan massacre continue to be ignored by the government in Ukraine and the Ukrainian and Western media. In contrast, numerous reports in the Ukrainian media hailed the ex deputy leader of the "Vikings" as a heroic "cyborg" before and after he was killed during fighting in the Donetsk airport. In 2015, the city council of Sumy awarded him posthumously a honorary title.

    http://ru.warriors.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0

    Sergei Tabal or North - nationalist from the city of Sumy, Ukraine.

    Member organizations Vikings, who took an active part in the events at Evromaydane. According to friends, Sergey was the deputy commander of the organization, and personally shot from Nagano 2-policemen.

    Since the beginning in Ukraine, "Russian Spring" and the anti-terrorist operation in the east of Ukraine, he joined the ranks of Ukrainian Volunteer Corps "Right Sector". Together with other "cyborgs" to the last defended Donetsk airport by militants DNI. He died November 6, 2014, along with two other soldiers from the SS AQL direct hit MT-12 "Rapier" militants DNI. Place of death - Donetsk Airport control tower. At the time of the death of Sergei it was only 18 years old. He was buried in the North on the Walk of Fame in Sumy. In 2015, members of the Sumy City Council Sergei Tabalov awarded the title of Honorary Citizen of Sumy (posthumously). Now it is the youngest of honorary citizens of the city. At the entrance to the school №9, where he studied Sergey, a memorial plaque in his honor. At the end of 2014 he discussed the issue of renaming in memory of Sergei street where he lived.

    Sergei had a tattoo on his left arm, "Glory to Ukraine" and on the right - "Heroes of the glory." This slogan was popular in Ukraine since the beginning euromaidan in December 2013.

    Being on the Maidan, North painted on his helmet several Anglo-Saxon runes. Later, grieving for him, many users of social networks attached to his image, in addition to the black ribbon, also rune "calc".

    In November 2014 Sumy nationalists from the right sector to establish an informal division Mesnik them. Sergei Tabalov.
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    Have you documented their confessions?
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    Ivan Katchanovski They are publicly available. https://vk.com/wall123991463_5484
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    Ivan Katchanovski http://forum.pravda.com.ua/index.php...

    Perhaps, you could summarize these details in an referenced article for Open Democracy, or some similar outlet.
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    Ivan Katchanovski I think that it is unlikely that Open Democracy or other such Western media outlet would now publish such an article because of its content. Open Democracy accepted my article on the involvement of the far right in the Maidan massacre but then did not publish it. Other Western media outlets also refused to publish it. Several correspondents for leading Western media are familiar with my Facebook posts and related research findings on the far right in Ukraine, but they also would not report now about these confessions for similar reasons.
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    Post  wilhelm Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Further to the posts above, Lavrov makes the valid point.

    UFA (Sputnik) — The Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE PA) is engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work after accepting an anti-Russian resolution, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Thursday.

    "During our absence, the OSCE PA has become engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work," Lavrov said during a press conference in the Russian city of Ufa.

    On Wednesday, the OSCE Parliament Assembly passed a resolution initiated by Canada and Ukraine that condemned Russia's alleged involvement in the Ukrainian conflict.

    The resolution was adopted by 96 to 7 votes, with 32 abstentions, including Switzerland, Armenia and France.

    The Russian delegation is not participating in the OSCE PA session in Helsinki, Finland, as several delegates were denied entry visas. Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin is among those not allowed into the country. The rest of the Russian delegation withdrew from participation in the session in protest.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150709/1024408102.html#ixzz3fOAlI9nk

    The OSCE is a complete farce. It's always been rather obvious.
    And I speak as a non-Russian here.

    Russia would be far better off simply withdrawing from it entirely.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:59 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Further to the posts above, Lavrov makes the valid point.

    UFA (Sputnik) — The Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE PA) is engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work after accepting an anti-Russian resolution, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Thursday.

    "During our absence, the OSCE PA has become engulfed in propaganda instead of actual work," Lavrov said during a press conference in the Russian city of Ufa.

    On Wednesday, the OSCE Parliament Assembly passed a resolution initiated by Canada and Ukraine that condemned Russia's alleged involvement in the Ukrainian conflict.

    The resolution was adopted by 96 to 7 votes, with 32 abstentions, including Switzerland, Armenia and France.

    The Russian delegation is not participating in the OSCE PA session in Helsinki, Finland, as several delegates were denied entry visas. Russian State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin is among those not allowed into the country. The rest of the Russian delegation withdrew from participation in the session in protest.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150709/1024408102.html#ixzz3fOAlI9nk

    The OSCE is a complete farce. It's always been rather obvious.
    And I speak as a non-Russian here.

    Russia would be far better off simply withdrawing from it entirely.

    Agreed. And pretext should be from Finland barring the Russian official whom was supposed to attend. State that OSCE's roll in Ukraine has been questionable from the get go, use examples like mentioned on this board as evidence, make legitimate questions like where are their tools they are supposed to use, and why are there more osce members in Novorussian line rather than Pukes side? Etc. Then leave and bar OSCE out of Russia and hopefully Novorussia does the same, under similar pretexes. UN can send investigators instead.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:10 pm

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    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3536170-ssha-budut-platyt-zarplatu-komande-saakashvyly-v-odesse

    Client states serve primarily foreign policy purposes, and their internal governance and political systems are generally determined by their governments. There are many such examples when US client states remained undemocratic and corrupt. Ukraine in this regard is now more similar to US Latin American and Arab client states, which were dictatorships and violated human rights.

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    Another evidence: The minister of internal affairs of Ukraine says that a Georgian associate of Saakashvili can become the head of the new national police in Ukraine. http://korrespondent.net/.../3537193-natsyonalnuui...
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    Post  whir Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:28 pm

    Юрий Касьянов wrote:utskirts of Lugansk. Military equipment rashistov. Taken UAV Army SOS
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    Post  whir Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:44 pm

    A bit old video but heartbreaking...
    Tatzhit Mihailovich wrote:The Truth About Ukrainian Civil War - "My dad shot at me"
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    Post  VladimirSahin Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:03 pm

    whir wrote:A bit old video but heartbreaking...
    Tatzhit Mihailovich wrote:The Truth About Ukrainian Civil War - "My dad shot at me"

    Damn... Almost dropped a tear, That really is sad.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:55 pm

    Holy sh*t, and they really think that they are a society that the EU would want to join the EU?

    This is an extracted comment from http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/ukraine-legalizes-for-profit-organ.html

    Ukraine Legalizes for profit Organ Harvesting

    If this gets through the Rada, it will legalize something which has been going on in Ukraine - as it did in Albania with the infamous Yellow House - for some time. Ever since the out-break of this war, the small black market of organ harvesting has become quite large. The Kiev Junta has sent incinerators to the front - only a fool would believe they also didn't send refrigerator units to salvage whatever they could.

    Add to this pool of organ harvesting the kidnappings, and death squads terrorizing families in the Donbass suspected of sympathies to the DPR and LPR, and you have a very profitable and sinister recipe for evil. With this law, criminal death squads will be able to force or forge the signatures of their own victims, thus legalizing everything.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:23 pm


    IMF is Ukraine's biggest problem

    "These huge figures speak of a Ukraine completely destroyed so far as the human point of view is concerned."


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/imf-is-ukraines-biggest-problem.html
    Translated from Italian by Tom Winter
    http://www.tribunodelpopolo.it/ucraina-un-terzo-della-popolazione-verso-la-poverta-totale/

    Since Kiev finished up their "Maidan,” hounding out the government of Yanukovych, Ukraine has had to endure the displacement of 1.4 million people. Not only that, according to a report of the United Nations, poverty would be on a sharp increase in the country because of the grip of the International Monetary Fund, which granted Kiev a loan of 17.5 billion, whose return is strangling the Ukraine.

    A country in pieces is the picture that emerges of Ukraine from the United Nations report: "The Millennium Development Goals. Ukraine: 2000-2015." This report has been drawn up with the support of the National Demographic Institute, the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, and the Ministry of Economic Development, thus its credibility is beyond doubt.

    The country would be undergoing the harshest inflation that hit Ukraine in several months, to the point of reaching 40.7%, according to data of the State Statistics Service.** Such a high inflation rate clearly undermines purchasing power, especially of the poorest sections of the population, making mere survival problematical.

    According to the report the situation will only worsen in the coming months because of the war in the Donbass, and through 2015, poverty will keep growing in the Ukrainian population, targeting as many as 32% of the citizens. In short, a rude awakening for the Ukrainians who had the illusion that the "Maidan" could finally reach the regions of prosperity, a deception that today is paid directly by the people who find themselves having to deal with inflation, unemployment, and uncertainty resulting from the war.

    Last year at least 1.4 million people had to flee in order to escape from the war in the Donbass, dramatic figures photographing a country almost bankrupt and unable to guarantee security to its citizens, often at the mercy of armed nationalist gangs. If we counted the citizens of Ukraine who have fled to Russia and Belarus, the total number of displaced Ukrainians approximates two and a half million people. These huge figures speak of a Ukraine completely destroyed so far as the human point of view is concerned.

    But the biggest problem for Kiev comes just from the International Monetary Fund, which has loaned the new Ukrainian government 17.5 billion euros, since the loan came with the imposition of draconian reforms. The result is that to pay off this debt, the government has increased all bills (Electricity up 40%, gas  280%, heating 66%), making survival difficult for many citizens, especially the most vulnerable. In short, someone may have exaggerated in telling the Ukrainians that turning their backs on Yanukovich and Russia would bring Ukraine to prosperity. Today it's the very same Ukrainians to pay the price.


    **  Actually lowballed. May 1 inflation rate was 60.9%; June 1, 58.4%. See the year in Ukraine inflation at Trading Economics.

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