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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Asshole of the century is worried about his precious Ukraine. I say fuck him and his offspring!!! angry pwnd russia  

    Brzezinski: Russia Has to Be Assured That Ukraine Will Never Join NATO

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150630/1024022244.html

    Former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski stands by his convictions that Ukraine should never join the North Atlantic Alliance, if peace and stability in the war-torn country and the region as a whole is to be lasting.
    (...)

    We all saw how his previous "assurances" worked... attack

    I still remember that piece of shit is the one who encouraged China and Thailand to support Pol Pot regime for the sake of White House.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:43 am

    JohninMK wrote:That uber truthful lad in Kiev, Liesenko, has been quiet for a few months but he seems to be back in action now with more 'facts' from UA Intelligence (if that's not an oxymoron), hence (my highlight)

    The number of Russian mercenaries fleeing the unrecognized Donetsk republic is increasing due to the lack of funding and humiliating attitude of the Russians coming to fight in the Donbas. It was reported by the ATO headquarters with reference to the data from the Ukrainian intelligence, Joinfo.ua reports. In occupied Horlivka of the Donetsk region, the locals are leaving the gangs due to three month non-payment of “material remuneration”.

    Moreover, the DPR terrorists are humbled both by the Russian military personnel and by “vacationers” from Russia. “All this makes it increasingly difficult for the Kremlin to use the local population for its own purposes, and makes it bring more forces Russia itself,” Lysenko said.

    According to intelligence reports, the terrorists, who came to the Donbas from Russia, are the main initiators of the deployment of artillery and tanks in the streets of private housing estates for firing on the positions of the ATO forces. “Local residents, who joined the ranks of the armed groups, do not support such actions, but they can not do anything against the Russian mercenaries, who have full support from the Kremlin,” Lysenko said.

    The other side had to respond, so we get

    Source: http://ria.ru/world/20150629/1102412303.html

    More and More Ukrainian Military Change Sides and Join DPR and LPR

    Ukrainian military have been changing sides and joining the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics more often recently, and it makes no sense to hide these numbers – the head of LPR Igor Plotnitsky stated during his briefing on Monday. “We had such cases before, but they were not as many, as we would like. We weren’t always widely publicizing these facts in order to ensure safety of those people, but now it makes no sense to keep silent about or hide, what is becoming obvious – it makes no sense, and it would be incorrect from a political point of view,” DPR leader said.

    According to him this fact evidences that people, who change sides, understand the prospects of the people’s republics. “This only shows that anyone, who comes here, perfectly understands, where the state exists, and where it has turned into a political Titanic,” summarized Plotnitsky.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:46 am

    Official confirmation of what some of you have been saying on here.

    Kiev purposefully provokes the Republics to launch war – Plotnitsky said

    The situation on the buffer zone line says that the Ukrainian authorities even more often are trying to provoke the Republics on reciprocal actions to launch a war. It was declared today by the head of LPR Igor Plotnitsky at a briefing in Luganskinformtsentre, commenting on become frequent cases of violation of a ceasefire regime from the Kiev security forces.

    "Currently Ukraine provokes more and more DPR and us for reciprocal actions because they have no arguments, and for them the only exit for the economic and the political is to launch a war", - Plotnitsky considers. "Therefore that occurs now, it is only provocations which are extremely painful and unpleasant for us, but for the sake of rescue and for the sake of resolving the conflict by the peaceful way, we will carry out the Minsk Agreement", - he emphasized.

    The head of LPR specified that the Republics are waiting for unconditional and obligatory implementation of the Minsk arrangements from Ukraine. "If we want to resolve this issue peacefully, this is the only way how we can resolve it ", - Plotnitsky is sure. We will remind that participants of Contact group of settlement of a situation in Donbass on February 12 this year have signed in Minsk coordinated with heads of member countries of "the Norman four" (Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine) the Package of measures on implementation of the Minsk Agreement.

    The document, in particular, provides creation of a safety zone at least 50 km wide what the parties were obliged of removing of artillery systems of calibre of 100 mm and more on equal distances.
    Luganskinformtsentre, 29 June 2015


    Source: http://lug-info.com/…/kiev-tselenapravlenno-provotsiruet-re…
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:59 am

    0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:26 pm

    Khepesh wrote:TheMedvedova is now a victim of youtube censorship and banned. I would not be surprised that when the war starts and it begins to go against Kiev, then youtube will terminate all obvious accounts that support Novorossiya, in the interests of "democracy and free speech" of course..... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy26U7Xp3e7W2V-rysEAkSw

    Well, that sucks. I liked that channel.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:30 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Kazzura's main YouTube channel where he/she English-subtitles videos is now under attack.
    He can not post videos over 15 min for a few months.
    Fortunately he has other channels on YouTube.

    Wowza. Americans had better take note.

    If there's ever a revolution in this country, they'll (the gov.) be shutting stuff down.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:40 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Kazzura's main YouTube channel where he/she English-subtitles videos is now under attack.
    He can not post videos over 15 min for a few months.
    Fortunately he has other channels on YouTube.

    Wowza. Americans had better take note.

    If there's ever a revolution in this country, they'll (the gov.) be shutting stuff down.

    It is also the useful idiots of so called Uber Ukrainians whom live in Canada and US, and wouldnt even go to Ukraine to volunteer or live if given the chance. These idiots all congregate on neo lib tard sites like reddit and go decide to target people for harassment, ddos, made up accusations against profile user, etc. These people are ganging up to silence people cause it makes them look like morons and nazi supporters.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:58 pm


    English translation of that recent article about Crimea, just in case thumbsup

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-situation-in-crimea.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:08 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Kazzura's main YouTube channel where he/she English-subtitles videos is now under attack.
    He can not post videos over 15 min for a few months.
    Fortunately he has other channels on YouTube.

    Wowza. Americans had better take note.

    If there's ever a revolution in this country, they'll (the gov.) be shutting stuff down.

    It is also the useful idiots of so called Uber Ukrainians whom live in Canada and US, and wouldnt even go to Ukraine to volunteer or live if given the chance.  These idiots all congregate on neo lib tard sites like reddit and go decide to target people for harassment, ddos, made up accusations against profile user, etc. These people are ganging up to silence people cause it makes them look like morons and nazi supporters.

    I agree.

    Last fall: a lot has happened since then

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    Post  par far Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:26 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


    0 KIA? This just sucks.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:40 pm

    par far wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


    0 KIA? This just sucks.

    Yup. If NAF is allowed to shoot, it be at least 10 Maidan KIAs per day and eventually Maidan would be forced to leave Donbas due to heavy casualty like what happened to the US in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and what happened to the USSR in Afghanistan.

    Right now it's not a war like in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq. Right now it's a joke. cheers
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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:16 pm

    par far wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


    0 KIA? This just sucks.

    Consider the source. While he is on my ignore list, both of him, the true figure of the UAF dead yesterday is closer to 20 with another 35 or so in hospital level treatment. NAF lost 9 dead and 17 wounded plus minimum 2 civilian dead from the bombardments, number of civilian wounded not specified yet.
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    Post  Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:58 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Kazzura's main YouTube channel where he/she English-subtitles videos is now under attack.
    He can not post videos over 15 min for a few months.
    Fortunately he has other channels on YouTube.
    The crackdowns on the pro-Russian YouTube channels for supposed breaches of YouTube's terms and conditions is getting out of hand...
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    par far wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


    0 KIA? This just sucks.

    Consider the source. While he is on my ignore list, both of him, the true figure of the UAF dead yesterday is closer to 20 with another 35 or so in hospital level treatment. NAF lost 9 dead and 17 wounded plus minimum 2 civilian dead from the bombardments, number of civilian wounded not specified yet.
    That is ridiculous, so even during the reduction in hostilities due to Minsk II, it is not unusual to see over a hundred KIA coming from the UAF?
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    Post  auslander Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:21 pm

    "That is ridiculous, so even during the reduction in hostilities due to Minsk II, it is not unusual to see over a hundred KIA coming from the UAF?"

    Per week, yes, some weeks many more. We are losing about 50 men a week dead and triple that number wounded, a quarter of whom will never return to the lines but some of whom will continue to serve in the rear echelons.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:39 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:The crackdowns on the pro-Russian YouTube channels for supposed breaches of YouTube's terms and conditions is getting out of hand...

    Youtube is part of the Google empire. It was to expected.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:57 pm

    auslander wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:0 Maidan soldiers KIA 3 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.


    0 KIA? This just sucks.

    Consider the source. While he is on my ignore list, both of him, the true figure of the UAF dead yesterday is closer to 20 with another 35 or so in hospital level treatment. NAF lost 9 dead and 17 wounded plus minimum 2 civilian dead from the bombardments, number of civilian wounded not specified yet.

    Is Maidan manufacturing artillery to replace losses? If Maidan is suffering so many personnel casualties, then Maidan should have run out of artillery.
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    Post  whir Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:16 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Youtube is part of the Google empire. It was to expected.
    Not really, Google YouTube is all about money so they're supposed to take a zealous stance when dealing with complains not to damage their business. The best way to avoid this organised reporting-pogroms is trying to avoid gore and copyrighted music since those are deadly sins along with nudity, once those points are covered if the channel generates views it's very difficult to take it down.

    Take a look at FaceBook's stance about mythical Troll Army®, paraphrasing: "well, we can't do much about it; we trust our Russian speaking mods based in Ireland so no need for an Ukrainian branch".
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    Post  Flagship Victory Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:25 pm

    Maidan defectors cheers  




    Maidan provokes NAF by shelling Donetsk

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:21 pm

    And not a single f**k was given... Cool

    Naftogaz Suspends Russian Gas Purchases Until New Price Deal

    Ukraine's Naftogaz says it will suspend purchases of natural gas from Russia's Gazprom.


    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150630/1024057076.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Ukraine's Naftogaz said Tuesday it will suspend purchases of natural gas from Russia's Gazprom starting July 1 as the sides have failed to agree the price for the third quarter of 2015.

    "Naftogaz suspends purchases of gas from the Russian company as the previous additional agreement to contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom expires on June 30 while the sides failed to agree new conditions for gas deliveries during today's trilateral talks in Vienna," the Ukrainian company said in a statement.

    "The transit of gas through the Ukrainian territory to Gazprom customers in Europe under the existing contracts will continue in full," Naftogaz stressed.

    Energy Minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn said Tuesday that Ukraine was not satisfied with Russia's recent gas price offer of $247 per 1,000 cubic meters and would insist on a 30-percent of discount to the contractual price.

    "We believe that the discount must be calculated in the format of the 'winter package' of the last year, which, as you remember, was $100 or 30 percent of the contractual price," Demchyshyn said after a fresh round of trilateral gas talks in Vienna.

    "The Russian side believes that this amount [$40} is fair, but we disagree," Demchyshyn stressed.

    "Russia insists that the gas price be determined for each new quarter and the next talks in September must determine the base price for the fourth quarter…but we believe that such an approach does not allow us to reach an optimal purchases volume to fill underground storage facilities," the minister said, adding that Kiev insists on signing a trilateral agreement on supplies for the whole heating season.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:25 pm

    Some new toys it seems... what is this thing anyway?

    The jamming station R-I "Resident" in the Donbass

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1359127.html

    Notorious Ukrainian propaganda web resource "Information resistance" (Tymchuk-loss-no) published photos in the Donbass at the disposal of the DPR modern Russian automated station active interference of the P-I "Resident." Pictures of "light up" on the page in "Vkontakte" one of the soldiers of the brigade "East" forces of Donetsk people's Republic were laid June 14, 2015).

    Station R-I "Resident", developed and manufactured by Voronezh JSC "Scientific innovation enterprise "PROTEK" (affiliated company "the EGO-holding"), is intended for detection, direction finding and countermeasure base stations of cellular communication systems GSM 1900; detection, direction finding and countermeasure of portable mobile stations of mobile satellite communication systems Inmarsat and Iridium; the countermeasure navigation user equipment of satellite communication systems NAVSTAR (GPS). Any of the above signal is completely suppressed within a radius of 20-30 kilometers from the working station. The station can operate in Autonomous mode or in a conjugate pair, as a leading and slave under the guidance of an automated complex EW R-CM "Diabetol"

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Some new toys it seems... what is this thing anyway?

    The jamming station R-I "Resident" in the Donbass

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1359127.html

    Notorious Ukrainian propaganda web resource "Information resistance" (Tymchuk-loss-no) published photos in the Donbass at the disposal of the DPR modern Russian automated station active interference of the P-I "Resident." Pictures of "light up" on the page in "Vkontakte" one of the soldiers of the brigade "East" forces of Donetsk people's Republic were laid June 14, 2015).

    Station R-I "Resident", developed and manufactured by Voronezh JSC "Scientific innovation enterprise "PROTEK" (affiliated company "the EGO-holding"), is intended for detection, direction finding and countermeasure base stations of cellular communication systems GSM 1900; detection, direction finding and countermeasure of portable mobile stations of mobile satellite communication systems Inmarsat and Iridium; the countermeasure navigation user equipment of satellite communication systems NAVSTAR (GPS). Any of the above signal is completely suppressed within a radius of 20-30 kilometers from the working station. The station can operate in Autonomous mode or in a conjugate pair, as a leading and slave under the guidance of an automated complex EW R-CM "Diabetol"

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    With that 20-30km radius the system will jam everything around it, including 'friendly. So it seems that it could be used in detect mode.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:And not a single f**k was given... Cool

    Naftogaz Suspends Russian Gas Purchases Until New Price Deal

    Ukraine's Naftogaz says it will suspend purchases of natural gas from Russia's Gazprom.


    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150630/1024057076.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Ukraine's Naftogaz said Tuesday it will suspend purchases of natural gas from Russia's Gazprom starting July 1 as the sides have failed to agree the price for the third quarter of 2015.

    "Naftogaz suspends purchases of gas from the Russian company as the previous additional agreement to contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom expires on June 30 while the sides failed to agree new conditions for gas deliveries during today's trilateral talks in Vienna," the Ukrainian company said in a statement.

    "The transit of gas through the Ukrainian territory to Gazprom customers in Europe under the existing contracts will continue in full," Naftogaz stressed.

    Energy Minister Volodymyr Demchyshyn said Tuesday that Ukraine was not satisfied with Russia's recent gas price offer of $247 per 1,000 cubic meters and would insist on a 30-percent of discount to the contractual price.

    "We believe that the discount must be calculated in the format of the 'winter package' of the last year, which, as you remember, was $100 or 30 percent of the contractual price," Demchyshyn said after a fresh round of trilateral gas talks in Vienna.

    "The Russian side believes that this amount [$40} is fair, but we disagree," Demchyshyn stressed.

    "Russia insists that the gas price be determined for each new quarter and the next talks in September must determine the base price for the fourth quarter…but we believe that such an approach does not allow us to reach an optimal purchases volume to fill underground storage facilities," the minister said, adding that Kiev insists on signing a trilateral agreement on supplies for the whole heating season.
    Clearly Russia does not want to supply Ukraine at a lower price than anyone else in EE. They also make the point that the new price is based on the current oil price, which being much closer to actual cost of production than the old price last year, reduces the profit margin and hence ability to discount.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:24 pm

    Video by Dniepo-1 battalion drone of very professional DNR positions NE of Mariupol. Two trips, one in May the other early June. Amazing how good the pictures are. Their take on the scene (English subtitles) is quite interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS5qYLJib3M
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:34 pm

    The OSCE do a weekly report on the two Ukraine/Russia border crossings in DNR/LPR territory. A lot is mundane and repetitive but sometimes there are little gems embedded. This is from the latest one, http://www.osce.org/om/167506

    Coal supplies to Ukraine now routed through Belarus?

    During the reporting week, the OM continued to observe a high number of trucks. Cargo and dumper trucks transporting coal from Luhansk region to the Russian Federation crossed the border in both directions through the Gukovo BCP. While the majority of the trucks are registered in Luhansk region, the OTs also observed that trucks registered in the Russian Federation and Republic of Belarus crossed the border. The OTs have also noted that during the reporting week the number of trucks registered in Belarus has increased from fifty last week to sixty nine; these trucks were observed crossing the border in both directions at both BCPs. In addition, the OTs also observed tanker trucks. These trucks for the most part had the word “Propane” and “Flammable” written across the tankers in Russian.

    Also, lots of fuel trucks in both places. The Observers have had a problem the whole time as they can hear trains but can't see them (even in the winter) so have no idea what they carry.

    During the reporting week the OTs observed sixty five tanker trucks with the word “Propane” and “Flammable” and orange articulated fuel trucks crossing into both directions at the Gukovo BCP. The OTs continued to pick up on the sound of trains running on the train tracks located approximately 150 meters south-west of the BCP.

    During the reporting week, the OTs heard trains on four occasions; the OTs estimated that all four trains were going to Ukraine. Visual observation was not possible because of the line of trees in between the train tracks and the BCP.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:09 am

    JohninMK wrote:Video by Dniepo-1 battalion drone of very professional DNR positions NE of Mariupol. Two trips, one in May the other early June. Amazing how good the pictures are. Their take on the scene (English subtitles) is quite interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS5qYLJib3M


    No picture distortion. Definitly not a commercial drone. My take is RQ-11 Raven recon drone supplied by the US.

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