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    Post  Boreas Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:34 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

    ..thanks in advance if anyone does...

    Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
    Will Washington Kill Us All?
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:14 am

    Boreas wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

    ..thanks in advance if anyone does...

    Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
    Will Washington Kill Us All?

    Thank you, Boreas. It wasn't a anti-Russia, anti-Putin article.
    I have read paul craig roberts, but not in a while.

    I'm wondering if it was Stephen F. Cohen..
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    Post  Boreas Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:34 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Boreas wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Does anyone by chance happen to have at hand a news article about if a Nationalist was President of Russia, we (the USA) would probably already been nuked before now, and that President Putin is very restrained??? It was in English.

    ..thanks in advance if anyone does...

    Sorry, I don't know about such fresh article, but it sounds very like something that Paul Craig Roberts would write. Are you by any chance familiar with his work? Example:
    Will Washington Kill Us All?

    Thank you, Boreas. It wasn't a anti-Russia, anti-Putin article.
    I have read paul craig roberts, but not in a while.

    I'm wondering if it was Stephen F. Cohen..

    Yeah, that's why I suggested P.C.Roberts as an author, I don't think he is anti-Russia or anti-Putin at all, in fact he seems to be very sane person who fights against propagandistic demonisation of Russia.


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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:34 am

    I have noticed a dramatic decrease in OSCE activities over the last few days. A comment on their reports is not needed, we all know, but in years past in certain areas where I was serving one could tell when untoward events were about to happen when the useless blue helmets made themselves scarce. Is OSCE the same bell weather or are they simply being recognized as to how useless they are?
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:06 am

    Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with. http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:37 am

    Khepesh wrote:While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.
    Personally I don't believe this will ever happen. Putin is content on doing business with Poroshenko and Russia is the only country that even theoretically could want to punish the junta leaders of Kiev. And currently Russia is not interested in that.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:01 am

    Khepesh wrote:Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.  http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

    I doubt anything will happen to him or the rabbit anytime soon, the lot of them will run when the time comes and be given asylum wherever they want in the west. On the other hand, memories are quite long and I doubt many of them will live to collect their pensions.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:57 am

    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.  http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

    I doubt anything will happen to him or the rabbit anytime soon, the lot of them will run when the time comes and be given asylum wherever they want in the west. On the other hand, memories are quite long and I doubt many of them will live to collect their pensions.
    Given asylum is not the same as being given protection for these people. If they then pay for their own security in most of the West it has to be unarmed. Although they could spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder most despots who flee seem to live on OK, it seems vengeance stops at the border.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:01 pm

    The next round of gas talks, covering the summer and probably next winter.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak on Monday confirmed that trilateral talks between the European Union, Russia, and Ukraine are scheduled for June 30 in Vienna. “Yes,” Novak said in response to whether trilateral talks would be held on Tuesday in Vienna.

    The inaugural trilateral meeting on Russian gas deliveries to Ukraine was hosted by the European Commission in March, one day before the so-called winter package discount deal expired on March 31. Moscow and Kiev agreed on the winter package in October 2014 to provide natural gas to Ukraine through the winter season. In April, Russia extended gas deliveries into the second quarter of 2015 due to Ukraine’s economic hardships.

    The current arrangement, which provides Ukraine with Russian natural gas at a $100 discount per 1,000 cubic meters, will expire on June 30.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150629/1023971913.html#ixzz3eRa5C5kP
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:06 pm

    Constitutional talks: Yes, DNR/LPR were consulted and we include all the Venice Group suggestions, said Poro ....... No we weren't consulted says DNR. So the saga goes on with, by the look of it, Kiev winning the PR battle by a mile. Mind you, no-one is listening out there.

    MOSCOW, June 29. /TASS/. Ukraine’s constitutional reform should be carried out by the deadline under the Minsk agreements and with the consent of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics, the DPR’s envoy to the Contact Group, Denis Pushilin, said on Monday. "I judge from the positions of the Minsk agreement that clearly states that a constitutional reform should take place in Ukraine with the consent of the DPR and LPR and defines the timeframe for its implementation by the official Kiev," Pushilin was quoted by the Donetsk news agency as saying. Pushilin said the current policy of Kiev authorities is clearly aimed at delaying the process of resolving the conflict in Donbas. "All this may be and should be considered not only as protracting the negotiation process, but as the direct failure to implement the agreement on peaceful settlement of the conflict," he stressed.

    Under point 11 of the package of measures on implementing the Minsk agreements, the reform that includes the entry into force of a new constitution should be carried out by late 2015. A constitutional commission approved a basic text of amendments to Ukraine’s key law on decentralization on June 26. Ukraine’s President Pyotr Poroshenko claimed "the Donbas representatives participated in devising these amendments."

    However, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics later said their representatives were not delegated to participate in the work of Kiev’s constitutional commission.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:19 pm

    For all you Russian speakers (or Yandexers), a really positive write up on Crimea as it is now.

    http://littlehirosima.livejournal.com/72768.html
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Constitutional talks: Yes, DNR/LPR were consulted and we include all the Venice Group suggestions, said Poro ....... No we weren't consulted says DNR. So the saga goes on with, by the look of it, Kiev winning the PR battle by a mile. Mind you, no-one is listening out there.

    MOSCOW, June 29. /TASS/. Ukraine’s constitutional reform should be carried out by the deadline under the Minsk agreements and with the consent of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics, the DPR’s envoy to the Contact Group, Denis Pushilin, said on Monday. "I judge from the positions of the Minsk agreement that clearly states that a constitutional reform should take place in Ukraine with the consent of the DPR and LPR and defines the timeframe for its implementation by the official Kiev," Pushilin was quoted by the Donetsk news agency as saying. Pushilin said the current policy of Kiev authorities is clearly aimed at delaying the process of resolving the conflict in Donbas. "All this may be and should be considered not only as protracting the negotiation process, but as the direct failure to implement the agreement on peaceful settlement of the conflict," he stressed.

    Under point 11 of the package of measures on implementing the Minsk agreements, the reform that includes the entry into force of a new constitution should be carried out by late 2015. A constitutional commission approved a basic text of amendments to Ukraine’s key law on decentralization on June 26. Ukraine’s President Pyotr Poroshenko claimed "the Donbas representatives participated in devising these amendments."

    However, the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics later said their representatives were not delegated to participate in the work of Kiev’s constitutional commission.

    Poroshenko specifically said 'Donbas', he did not say DNR and/or LNR. His government in Kiev has a government in the areas outside DNR and LNR but Minsk specifically states DNR and LNR, not 'Donbas'. This according to my resident translator and stukach. I will ask her to verify.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:For all you Russian speakers (or Yandexers), a really positive write up on Crimea as it is now.

    http://littlehirosima.livejournal.com/72768.html

    Read it this morning and she is pretty correct in all she wrote including the doubling of the cost of Massandrah wine, of course my favorite.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:12 pm

    0 Maidan soldiers KIA 5 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:18 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Last night ukrops commited yet another warcrime. Five missiles, not determined which type, hit the water filtration plant at Yasinovataya and cut the water supply. At the same time artillery shells hit the electricity substation. Fortunately repair crews have already got the plant back into operation. While Clinton, Bush junior, Blair, Cameron and Sarkozy will never face trial for their war crimes, there is at least a small possibility that Poroshenko may be caught and dealt with.  http://dan-news.info/defence/ukrainskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-filtrovalnuyu-stanciyu-v-yasinovatskom-rajone.html

    Ukrops are threshing and snapping left and right desperate to provoke some kind of response because they want that defensive advantage all for themselves, plus while this lasts Holholland is in spinning down the crapper at faster pace than expected.

    NAF on the other hand are not falling for it. They will take out the trash eventually but it will be on their terms.

    Porky and Co. will never see the inside of a courtroom. They will live long, happy and wealthy lives in one of good old western democracies.
    They will be revered as heroes, receive fat paychecks on top of what they already have and live out their blissful existence in peace just like their predecessors before them.

    But millions of those average shitheads on the ground who enabled, supported and facilitated this mess will hopefully not be so lucky and will curse the day they were born.

    Suffering of handful of top jerks is meaningless as history has proven already countless times. It is those millions willing slaves that must be punished. This is one of those cases where there really is quality in quantity.
    In this day and age they cannot use lack of information as an excuse, that ship has sailed the moment camera-phone hit the market.

    Those who started this war thought that Ukraine will be tale of success. In order for their victims to have justice it must become cautionary tale instead.
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:31 pm

    A bit offtopic.

    Are you guys watching today's news concerning Greece? It's total chaos on financial markets right now. Europeans banks only today just lost 50 billion. Portugese, Spanish and Italian shares are going down in price very fast. Conveniently also part of the "PIIGS". The weakest economies of the EU.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:33 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The next round of gas talks, covering the summer and probably next winter.

    [i]MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak on Monday confirmed that trilateral talks between the European Union, Russia, and Ukraine are scheduled for June 30 in Vienna. “Yes,” Novak said in response to whether trilateral talks would be held on Tuesday in Vienna.

    (...)

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150629/1023971913.html#ixzz3eRa5C5kP

    So basically Russia continue to be the main gas supplier for Kyiv ? I wonder where is the so-called divine shale oil of Obama Laughing

    Oh wait, Russia is an "invader", why Kyiv continue to trade with "invader" ? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:36 pm

    ^ Oh I'm sure he and his immediate cronies will end up in London or New York. But while he is still in Ukraine we can still hope that he will meet the same fate as Ceausescu and his own guards will turn against him. Perhaps reading about the fate of several Roman Emperors will give them sleepless nights wondering what the price of "loyalty" is.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:58 pm

    Khepesh wrote:^ Oh I'm sure he and his immediate cronies will end up in London or New York. But while he is still in Ukraine we can still hope that he will meet the same fate as Ceausescu and his own guards will turn against him. Perhaps reading about the fate of several Roman Emperors will give them sleepless nights wondering what the price of "loyalty" is.

    Hopefully, you are right. It would definitely be welcome development.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:00 pm

    Fathers to their men lol1

    Guns for Sale: Ukrainian Generals Write Off Good Arms to Get Rich

    Ukrainian generals are writing off combat-ready weapons as “retired” to sell them at profit, an ex-battalion commander-turned-Verhovna Rada deputy said when meeting with soldiers in Kharkov.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150629/1023975790.html

    “Not long ago we were in Sarny, a small town in western Ukraine, where we found a whole 1,200 152mm howitzers, over 500 Rapier anti-tank guns and lots of ammunition, all in perfect order, waiting to be sold to the highest bidder instead of being sent to the frontlines,” said Andriy Biletsky, the onetime commander of the notorious Azov voluntary battalion.

    “There is one little catch here though – all these new cannons have long been written off as scrap metal and are waiting to be sold to Africa, China, Latin America, anywhere,” he added.

    After he was elected to parliament, Andriy Biletsky gave up his position as Azov commander, but, unofficially, he still remains in control of the unit.

    The Azov battalion is a far-right neo-Nazi all-volunteer paramilitary militia formed a year ago as part of the military reserve of the National Guard of Ukraine. The official Azov emblem is the Wolfsangel ("wolf-anchor").

    During World War II, the symbol and its elements were used by various Nazi German military units, including the SS Panzer Division “Das Reich”.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:06 pm

    Neutrality wrote:A bit offtopic.

    Are you guys watching today's news concerning Greece? It's total chaos on financial markets right now. Europeans banks only today just lost 50 billion. Portugese, Spanish and Italian shares are going down in price very fast. Conveniently also part of the "PIIGS". The weakest economies of the EU.

    I don't follow EU stuff all that much but yeah, now that you mentioned it, things have been weird lately. I hear Juncker has gone off the rails. Hopefully this helps move the events in desired direction...
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:06 pm

    I urge people to look at the latest question and answer session on cassad, even those who do not like Rozhin. He is not an all knowing guru and has an agenda, we all know that, but he gives good answers to many questions that people ask. He specifically said no questions from the two opposing views of "cunning plan" v "Putin merged" so the session is more realistic. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2258404.html
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:37 pm

    Here we go, the UA has to go in and protect the world from a radiation disaster. No mention that it was UA shells that did the damage. This is the second time they have announced this!

    Ghost of Chernobyl: Ukrainian Forces Warn of Possible Radiation Leak in Donetsk Area Amid Ceasefire Violations

    The Ukrainian government urged the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe (OSCE) to monitor the level of background radiation after the explosion at the Donetsk factory of chemical products. The factory manages the disposal of ammunition, upgrade and repair of ammo. The factory also produces industrial explosives.

    “For a long time now the concentration of ammunition and explosives in the areas of the factory had reached almost critical level. For over a year the plant has been a threat to the entire region,” read the Facebook statement posted by the headquarters of Kiev’s special military operation in southeastern Ukraine.

    It was earlier reported that an explosion that occurred at a Donetsk chemical factory on June 16 could have led to damages at the radiation storage site as it triggered the detonation of underground ammunition depots. “This situation is causing great concern of the Ukrainian side, because there is a possibility of leakage of radioactive elements that are very dangerous to the health and life of a large number of civilians in the region,” Ukrainian Maj. Gen. Andriy Taran was quoted as saying in a Facebook statement posted by the headquarters of Kiev’s special military operation in southeastern Ukraine.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150629/1023987253.html#ixzz3eSh8WBDz
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:08 pm

    Khepesh wrote:I urge people to look at the latest question and answer session on cassad, even those who do not like Rozhin. He is not an all knowing guru and has an agenda, we all know that, but he gives good answers to many questions that people ask. He specifically said no questions from the two opposing views of "cunning plan" v "Putin merged" so the session is more realistic. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2258404.html

    Agreed on your assessment but for some of his replies he is, ahhh, not quite well versed in what he says, but generally yes, he does give some good answers. However, I do find it interesting that after over a year and a half of the effort we have yet to formally meet him although he has been in the same facility we were in twice last fall. That being said he has contributed to the relief effort some and he has contributed to getting the information out as to what is going on up there.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:27 pm

    A beginning. This is OBSE wandering around a village the other day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSLTtVtpm4

    Notice how the woman doest not want her face shown but in the end she gives up. She speaks Russian with an accent, my stukach says Polish accent she thinks.

    It seems that OSCE operatives will be shown now, as many as possible, but the fact remains that for the last three days OBSE has been noticeably absent from the line of contact and the two republiks.

















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