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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

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    Post  medo Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:08 pm

    Khepesh wrote:An inquisitive raccoon found this order signed by Zakharchenko. It says that Alexander Vyacheslavovich Kolomiyets has assumed the duties of secretary of the Defence Council of the Donetsk People's Republic, and this will be effective from the date the order is signed. Order signed 17 April 2015 well well.
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16 - Page 11 Eae44f567b7b

    So this general Kolomiyets actually work for Novorussian army for some time from Kiev. I'm sure he now deliver a lot of very important and interesting informations, as he for sure know a lot from such high position in Ukrainian army. This is a big blow for Kiev junta.
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    Post  whir Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:25 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #16 - Page 11 Screen10

    German: Unheimliches Russland: Droht der nächste Kalte Krieg?
    English: Eerie, Russia: the Next Cold War?

    German: Der kalte Krieg ist doch schon im Gange, dank den Amerikanern
    English: The Cold War's already underway, thanks to the Americans

    German: Liebe Medien, könntet ihr endlich mit euren aggressiven Überschriften aufhören, die Russen für Alles verantwortlich zu machen?!
    Es ist ganz klar, dass Russland nicht der Aggressor ist, sondern sich nur verteidigt!
    Also hört auf damit, sonst glaubt es euch tatsächlich noch jemand!
    English: Dear media, you could finally stop with your aggressive headings to make the Russians responsible for everything ?!
    It is quite clear that Russia is not the aggressor, but only to defend!
    So stop it, otherwise it actually believes you nor anyone!
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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:40 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Russian heroes come to save Donbas people from Maidan  cheers

    https://youtu.be/2zssIFN2mso
    Small units went in, fucked up UA army and went home.
    Pretty much open secret and even some rebels aren't hiding it.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:30 pm

    Fighting, at low level, has now been continuing for at least 8 hours along the front by Pervomaisk. Slowly the seemingly mundane, almost "normal", becomes more interesting.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:33 pm

    Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:43 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    The Mess is a distilled version of the NATzO circle jerk club that used to be MP net. Leave the freaks to their freak show.


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  

    ????? in 2030 - in 50 years we will reach the level of Rwanda.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:48 pm

    ^^ yeah, a nightmare. I made first post there for weeks just to sort of remind them that there is actually news to be reported and discussed, but they are indifferent, and likely have no sources about actual fighting and certainly not about the actual people who suffer, so ignore it to talk about garbage. I think if DTA left, then it will be 100% a boring Polandball/economics thread
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    Post  max steel Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:50 pm

    "WATCH LIVE: Valentina Lisitsa, Ukrainian-born classical pianist who has faced censure over her strong opposition to ‪#‎Kiev‬'s war in ‪#‎Donbass‬, gives a concert in ‪#‎Donetsk‬, dedicated to the anniversary of the start of the ‪#‎GreatPatrioticWar‬."


    http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20150622/1023710199.html#ixzz3doco2FCT
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:56 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Russia charges its brother nation Ukraine winter gas package at a measly 1.5 MILLION USD. Gazprom loses money big time to prop up Maidan's economy from collapsing. Thanks Putin.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/reuters-new-ukraine-winter-gas-package-to-cost-15-million-dollars-391703.html

    This is done because it will be several times of magnitude ,far more expensive closing all relations with Ukraine and encouraging them to shut down the Russian pipelines that supply Gas to Europe...through Ukraine territory.. that will truly hurt Russia economy.. and will be very very expensive.  

    Whenever you think for a second that Putin is an idiot... think again and re-think ,
    because there is a reason for his actions... Putin wants the war to end... period..
    and not just to save civilians in one tiny corner of ukraine. He wants all Ukraine ,all cities ,
    that he will never control unless he do a full scale invasion ,with 150,000 soldiers. and become
    the new police too.. with thousands of Russian soldiers in all cities casualties..by roadside bombs and stealth attacks. It will be really fun to see Obama and Nuland paying civilians to resist Russians invasion.. and this is not mentioning the Samson option ,that The CIA-Nazis blow up 2-3 nuclear reactors to force Russia spend hundreds of billions dollars in covering them.
    THen what next?>  Elections anyone?  How embarrasing will be that Russia after capturing Kiev
    and removing Poroshenko.. that the Euromaidans get elected another leader like Poroshenko that is hostile to Russia...  Forcing them to leave Ukraine with empty hands and with another
    Rusophobic factions in power?  that will continue to attack ethnic Russians as soon Russian ARmy leave Ukraine..  CAn Russian army stay forever in Ukraine and Russian economy maintain 40 millions ukraine citizens pensions? no ..


    aside note SAker.. believe that US is pulling the plug is really naive.
    GIving up ,is not a word that exist in Americans Neoliberals.. they want Russia to vanish
    from the world forever..and what they will do is change of tactics.. if it cannot force Russia
    to invade and enter their trap ,by bombing civilians.. in donetsk and lugansk.  They can
    try with transnistria.. and bomb Russian soldiers there. However kiev have one major
    obstacle and is called Europe.. that could abandon their support and isolate economically
    Ukraine from the planet... then they will have Zero trade with Europe and Zero trade with Russia..good luck with that... Americans will not be able to save Ukraine alone. and the best
    they can do is find a balance between using Ukraine to weaken Russian economy.. but not
    too much that it annoys the hell of Europe and gets isolated completely.

    For me is clear RUssia will not invade.. and the only question left is if ,US/kiev will
    provoke Russia Airforce to do tactical strikes in Ukraine... if Russia territory directly attacked
    or Russian soldiers in transnistria.

    So Americans will not leave ukraine and give up as long they have any chance to creating
    problems to Russia..So unless a miracle happens and Poroshenko stop being an idiot and see
    the game ,how they are used..and reverse all their actions in the past year and do what he agreed to do in MInsk-2.. then their fate is sealed.. and it will not be long before another coup
    start and disband the entire nation. and finally the CIAnazis who were in power ,Poroshenko and Rada parliament lynched (the Qadafi way in LYbia) by Ukrainians citizens tired of them..

    So effectively the war will end in Ukraine ,when a Miracle happens in Kiev and they stop
    playing Americans games of destabilization of Russia.. or.. when Ukrainians themselves organize and take back the control of their government away of Americans with another Euromaidan and put in Power someone who no longer seeks confrontation with Russia but also to respect the rights of ethnic Russian minorities and their interest and kick the CIAnazis from power positions in their country.

    For a real change in Ukraine.. ukrainians minds and way of thinking and belief needs to change.. and you cannot do that with tanks. Ukrainians needs to see the games being played against them.. how they were mislead by the west and are being used as a weapon against Russia ,damaging their own nation development in the process. Ukrainians needs to see there is no way out without Russia.. that they cannot live without Russia and this is even if they desire to be part of Europe.. that they need also to have good relations with Russia if they want any chance to be
    a country with Future. Russia is not going anywhere and will always remain their Neighbors no matter how much they hate Russia..and will always depend on Russian trade too. and stop trying to deny how closely connected they are to Russians. Both nations destiny is to remain
    at very least economic partners if they want to have any chance for their country to continue to exist.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:15 pm

    Khepesh wrote:^^ yeah, a nightmare. I made first post there for weeks just to sort of remind them that there is actually news to be reported and discussed, but they are indifferent, and likely have no sources about actual fighting and certainly not about the actual people who suffer, so ignore it to talk about garbage. I think if DTA left, then it will be 100% a boring Polandball/economics thread
    Don't forget Jageraus, reporting from downtown Crimea.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  

    When you go to that sight you have to wash your eyes out when you leave. It's like an alternative universe but I guess they're happy now that we're gone.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Don't forget Jageraus, reporting from downtown Crimea.
    He is here! look above this post
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:37 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:^^ yeah, a nightmare. I made first post there for weeks just to sort of remind them that there is actually news to be reported and discussed, but they are indifferent, and likely have no sources about actual fighting and certainly not about the actual people who suffer, so ignore it to talk about garbage. I think if DTA left, then it will be 100% a boring Polandball/economics thread
    Don't forget Jageraus, reporting from downtown Crimea.

    I only go there to urinate them off from time to time. Last trip was outstandingly successful, they were still annoyed a day later. Doubt I'll go back, though, any discourse there is just idly poking them with a pointed stick.
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    Post  auslander Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:40 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Don't forget Jageraus, reporting from downtown Crimea.
    He is here! look above this post

    Yup, been here for a few days and couldn't be happier. jageraus=auslander
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:45 pm

    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  

    When you go to that sight you have to wash your eyes out when you leave. It's like an alternative universe but I guess they're happy now that we're gone.

    Freedom of thought and expression in action in the benighted west.   Totalitarianism is a term best suited to describe the NATO west.
    The citizens of the USSR were never such goosestepping conformists to official propaganda narratives.   There was actual tolerance
    for dissent and free thought.    The cheesy 1984 style conformity in the west is something to behold.  

    NATO stages a coup in Ukraine and then attacks Russia for "meddling" in Ukraine while its puppet regime engages in a terror campaign
    against the people of the Donbas who dared to resist the authority of the coup regime.  This is done through paramilitaries who operate
    like giant death squads and the so-called regular army which parks it ass outside of Donbas towns and cities and randomly shells and rockets
    them.    All of the NATO media sources repeat Kiev regime press-releases as factual news without any contextualizing or critical comment.  
    The MH17 narrative is established within a few hours of the crash.   Ask yourself how it is possible to know anything this fast and it appears
    that the NYT had its story all typeset before the crash, ready to hit the presses.

    The Mess is MP net purged of dissenting voices.   MP net had the Russian pictures thread outranking every other picture thread
    by a very large factor.   It had to be shut down.   Let these circle jerkers go and play in their sand pile.   Normal people should
    migrate to other boards with sane moderation.


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    Post  whir Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:46 pm

    Vann7 wrote:However kiev have one major obstacle and is called Europe... that could abandon their support and isolate economically Ukraine from the planet... then they will have Zero trade with Europe and Zero trade with Russia..good luck with that...
    Not gonna happen, period. EuroMaidan rings a bell to you? And if you think that Russia is going to stop trade with Ukraine you're very naive.
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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:50 pm

    whir wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:However kiev have one major obstacle and is called Europe... that could abandon their support and isolate economically Ukraine from the planet... then they will have Zero trade with Europe and Zero trade with Russia..good luck with that...
    Not gonna happen, period. EuroMaidan rings a bell to you? And if you think that Russia is going to stop trade with Ukraine you're very naive.

    What sort of trade is Russia going to keep with Ukraine?

    Ukraine is busy cutting off both Russia and its nose. Russia is not desperate for Ukrainian goods and would only trade if it
    achieved something.

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    These idiots need to go and eat shit.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:05 pm

    kvs wrote:
    whir wrote:........................................................

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    .......................................

    These idiots need to go and eat shit
    .
    Agreed...

    Plus, they all seem to be of the right age and in good physical health (mental health might be wobbly but that is no longer requirement for ukrops).

    So, why aren't they in boot camp or in the trenches fighting tor glorious Ukrainian euro-lebensraum?  scratch lol1
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    Post  Neutrality Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    whir wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:However kiev have one major obstacle and is called Europe... that could abandon their support and isolate economically Ukraine from the planet... then they will have Zero trade with Europe and Zero trade with Russia..good luck with that...
    Not gonna happen, period. EuroMaidan rings a bell to you? And if you think that Russia is going to stop trade with Ukraine you're very naive.

    What sort of trade is Russia going to keep with Ukraine?  

    Ukraine is busy cutting off both Russia and its nose.   Russia is not desperate for Ukrainian goods and would only trade if it
    achieved something.    

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16 - Page 11 GFCXW2QSCjU
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    These idiots need to go and eat shit.

    Very soon the same idiots from those pictures will look back at themselves and wonder what the fuck they were thinking. I'm already stacking up on popcorn to witness the shitstorm that their country is yet to go through. Hilarity will ensue as the rats from all power structures will start to eat eachother alive to secure their spots. I only hope that Saakashvili brought enough ties with him to share with the rest.


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    Post  medo Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  

    Who ever will be next - in 50 years we'll have Crimea standards of living.
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    Post  BKP Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:23 pm

    kvs wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Went over to take a glance at TheMess out of dumb curiosity.... oh, the horror... cry

    I am sooooo glad I'm here. russia

    Don't ever leave me guys... love


    I did pick up this nice quote though:

    Kravchuk in 1991 - in 5 years we'll have French standards of living.
    Yushchenko in 2004 - in 10 years we'll have Polish standards of living.
    Saakashvili in 2015 - in 20 years we'll have Yanukovych standards of living.  

    When you go to that sight you have to wash your eyes out when you leave. It's like an alternative universe but I guess they're happy now that we're gone.

    Freedom of thought and expression in action in the benighted west.   Totalitarianism is a term best suited to describe the NATO west.
    The citizens of the USSR were never such goosestepping conformists to official propaganda narratives.   There was actual tolerance
    for dissent and free thought.    The cheesy 1984 style conformity in the west is something to behold.  

    NATO stages a coup in Ukraine and then attacks Russia for "meddling" in Ukraine while its puppet regime engages in a terror campaign
    against the people of the Donbas who dared to resist the authority of the coup regime.  This is done through paramilitaries who operate
    like giant death squads and the so-called regular army which parks it ass outside of Donbas towns and cities and randomly shells and rockets
    them.    All of the NATO media sources repeat Kiev regime press-releases as factual news without any contextualizing or critical comment.  
    The MH17 narrative is established within a few hours of the crash.   Ask yourself how it is possible to know anything this fast and it appears
    that the NYT had its story all typeset before the crash, ready to hit the presses.

    The Mess is MP net purged of dissenting voices.   MP net had the Russian pictures thread outranking every other picture thread
    by a very large factor.   It had to be shut down.   Let these circle jerkers go and play in their sand pile.   Normal people should
    migrate to other boards with sane moderation.
    Good post & x2. The conformity of thought that has been achieved in the West regarding all such issues through the relentless application of propaganda is really something to behold. If you're a person living in the midst of it, and become aware of it, you start to realize how completely saturating the propaganda is. And, thus, as you pointed out, the most colossal lies and hypocrisy pass without comment; it's all just part of the air you breathe.

    When Putin meets with Merkel and Hollande and they break out some bullsh*t about how Russia must begin to uphold Minsk 2.0, I really don't know how he refrains from punching both of them in the gut. The temerity of that beggars the imagination. And that will not be analyzed honestly by any "news" outlet within the free and courageous Western MSM.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:28 pm

    Neutrality wrote:.............................

    Very soon the same idiots from those pictures will look back at themselves and wonder what the fuck they were thinking. I'm already stacking up on popcorn to witness the shitstorm that their country is yet to go through. Hilarity will ensue as the rats from all power structures will start to eat eachother alive to secure their spots. I only hope that Saakashvili brought enough ties with him to share with the rest.

    Post of the day.

    +1 for you thumbsup

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    Post  whir Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:28 pm

    kvs wrote:What sort of trade is Russia going to keep with Ukraine?
    Everything that can be traded.

    kvs wrote:Ukraine is busy cutting off both Russia and its nose.
    And failing at both.

    kvs wrote:Russia is not desperate for Ukrainian goods and would only trade if it achieved something.
    Russia does not need to be desperate to keep trading with Ukraine simply because Moscow can't disengage from Ukraine without damaging it's own economy and society in the process.

    kvs wrote:These idiots need to go and eat shit.
    That Vesti flashmob was retarded the first time now is even more retarded.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:33 pm

    NAF holds the line in Shirokino



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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:45 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Ukranian assistant minister of defence, Major General Alexander Kolomiets, has removed his family from Kiev and defected to DNR. He says he is not alone among the officers of UA who are disillusioned and wish to go to Donetsk. I am not surprised by this, only that it has taken so long, tho I am sure that valuable intelligence has come from UA officers since the beginning of the war who remained with Kiev, in body if not in heart. The possibility, the hope, that the junta could be killed by a military coup has always been on "back burner", and tho I do not doubt that SBU and all the facist loonies will be conducting a purge, there is still hope that normal officers and men will rise against them. Maybe this will be a false hope, just a brief moment of light, but this is good news today. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2247623.html

    Edit: the video circulating that says it shows the bomb being planted at Sberbank in Kiev, is actually an old video of an attack that happend in Odessa during the winter.

    Excellent news! Hopefully he will bring lots of valuable inside information with him. And hopefully this is also a sign of bigger discontent within the Ukrainian military.

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