Flagship Victory wrote:Russia considers giving gas discounts to Ukraine which is Russia's brother nation
Now this is starting to piss me off. Anyone here who can explain this illogical step to Ukraine's aggression? Please not the usual crap that some members keep writing but a thorough explanation. No conspiracy theories as well. The only loical explanation I (heavy stress on I) can see is that Gazprom doesn't want to lose Ukrainian payments.
Is called Public Relations.. After Ukraine was shelling RUssian territory in 2014 and people dying and kiev was in talks about an imminent war against Russia.. What Putin was saying after all that? that Russia will never go to a war against friendly brothers Ukraine. But the message is not for kiev.. the message is for the more 40 millions of Ukrainians..that are undecided whether to fight for Kiev or defect..
and for the international community. maintaining the world image that Russia do not see ukraine as their enemies and is interested in solving all differences with dialogue and politics is very important.. why?
It can be very useful to not allow Ukraine to get unity they need in the country
..to start a war against Russia. So is called Public Relations.. At the same time Russia says that ,new weapons have to be crossing the border.. for the Rebels with more reinforcements .
Maintaining a good positive public Relations in public with Ukraine is important ,(even if in secret Russia will like to nuke kiev.. ) Reason is because if any major aggression happens, lets say , Ukraine launch a cruise missile against Moscow .. then Kiev will have a hard time to justify it ,claiming it was for "self defense" when Russia was offering discounts in energy and being
offering solving things through political dialogue and peace....
This is why people will never understand Putin.. and accuse him of "Selling Novorosiya" , Putin is trying to capture all Ukraine
and not just a tiny region that will never have a chance to be at peace and instead will become a new Gaza ,if Russia do not manage to get Europe opposing US proxy war plans and give Russia another afgan war.. Putin Public relations is aimed at the general public in Ukraine but also to Europe.. Russia positive constructive stance ,allows Russia to be virtually immune of any framing for any false flag attack by US or Ukraine.
The most important thing about Russia constructive aptitude . is that IT will allow Russia to justify to declare war or retaliate to any nation
that attack them.
Ie.. just like Georgia war. That the west failed to demonize Russia for it.. and instead Russia
not only invaded Georgia and gave independence to the zones in conflict ,but also defeated all
western propaganda and attempts to isolate Russia because of that incident.
Had Russia instead threatened Ukraine with war and air strikes , from the very start ,and starting doing it with his airforce..and later invade with army pushing the Cianazis away and continue advancing , the Ukies will had a field day with False flags and blow up a Nuclear reactor near Donetsk and claim Russia did it.. They can also fabricate images of civilians being killed by Russian airforce bombing . and provoke unrest in Russian cities..
All said What you see in Ukraine is different things.. that US and Kiev are doing is aimed
at different things..
1)Sabotage Russia economy
2) Damage Russia world image..and demonize Russia for "Aggression" "warcrimes" and
"violation of international laws"..
3)Create a wall between Europe and Russia .a new cold war ,full containment of Russia.
The whole Euromaidan revolution ,the ultimate goal of the white house was the split of Europe from Russia and cut of all their trade and relations.. Is economic war.. with isolation of Russia.
So far is seems they are going to win ,and a new cold war will happen any way.. They are going to extend/increase sanctions ,rewarding Ukraine last round of war crimes against civilians.
But there is a lot of division in Europe however , very fracture and for me his is the major achievement of Russia policy in Ukraine. You have a few calls right and left for ditching Ukraine and leaving NATO and leaving the EU . and a lot of calls for lifting Russian sanctions ,completely
in rebellion against US policy with Russia.
Why is important Russia to maintain open doors with Europe and try to get their support
in Political solution in Ukraine? Because if they ignore them.. is very likely that it will allow
US to reinforce NATO unity against Russia.. And Russia will be forced to fight all Europe
in war without americans being in the front line or firing a single shot.
What Russia is trying to achieve is..
1)A major division in Europe.. and the break of NATO alliance.
2)To freeze the conflict until their economy is fully integrated with EuroAsia..
3)To show all Ukrainians common people ,that Russia is not their enemy and their Government
is creating all their problems.
4)The isolation of Americans in trying to cut relations between Europe and Russia.
5)Restore democracy in all Ukraine and reverse the coup ,and get out the ultra nationalist from
power.. In other words Russia is trying to capture all Ukraine.. to pre coup levels at least.. Where Russia had good relations with kiev.. and no hostile factions in power.
So there is a war on many fronts and the political one is the biggest one.. Russia trying to
reverse the coup in Ukraine and restore democracy there and Get Europe on their side.. While Americans Gov..trying to isolate Russia. Putin calls for closer cooperation with Ukraine is aimed
at the civilians.. and Europeans ..to show Russia intentions.. (so it cannot be blamed for any false flag or help kiev in creating any unity against Russia) .
So ignore what Russia Government say.. is Public Relations.. and the only thing you can judge
Russia is for what they do. And Rebels are not being abandoned. I never heard anyone claiming
in Donetsk or Lugansk that Russia is not helping them.
Only that they wish Russia ended
their suffering and annexed them too like Crimea.. obviously the average civilian do not understand politics and consequences of capturing only Donetsk and Lugansk and leaving
the americans in control of 95% of the country. About how the violence will not end with
Russia army invasion.
the average citizens in the world is full of zombies , People that do not think for themselves and everything they know comes from their controlled media.. and that NATO "Russian Aggression" and "Russian invasion" Slogans.. is aimed at creating unity in Europe AGAINST
Russia to justify NATO existence and their Isolation of Russia and militarization of their borders .
In other words American Government is using Fear to justify their control of Europe ,their military presence and the need of Americans to "protect them" when in reality what US is doing putting at risk their security with their provocations against Russia.. and by their arming of criminals in Ukraine to bomb civilians women and children. they are actually provoking a world war. and where Europe will be in the front line and the americans completely neutral speaking about the need to solve things peacefully with dialogue.
The US Government is full of bastards who are manipulating the world opinion ,they are literary
provoking world war 3.. and without them being in the front line.. All they need to do is send lethal weapons to Ukraine ,mini nukes ,or chemical and biological weapons ,and provoke Russia to invade. and then continue arming kiev .. fighting Russia by proxy..and through their European or Canadian allies. and this is the reason Why RUssia needs to work with Europe friendly nations ,to stop American proxy war against Russia..
Is quite interesting that the best way Russia can counter US and Kiev.. is precisely by having a strong economy. That will lure away 40 millions Ukrainians from kiev failed state and create divisions about the war kiev is promoting. THis is already happening .. many reports of many Euromaidans who jumped in kiev in support of EU ,moving to Russia ,because europeans does not want them. and this will play a big role in the Reorganization of Ukraine once the nation disband. My prediction is Ukraine will disband in at least 3 parts.. the pro Russia ,the Neutral and the Ultra nationals . Poland will get the western Ukraine all the way to kiev..and Russia will get the support of 2/3 parts of Ukraine. And depending on Russia economy it could allow Russia
to annex again most of Ukraine back to Russia.
And this is the reason why US attacks on Russia economy will never stop.. never.. not now ,not in a decade.. because if Russia becomes very strong economically ,it will easily influence most Ukraine to return to Russia.
So is not a joke ,when i say the best thing Russia can do ,to Defeat Americans and the CIAnazis in kiev is 1)Good public relations.. 2) Get a strong economy. That will not only allow end the conflict in Ukraine by not allowing US and Kiev to get the support they need for their war.. but potentially could allow Russia to De-Nazify Ukraine completely and or literary recapture the lands without firing a single shot , the Crimean way. That is when people receive the RUssian army with Open Arms.. Influence is the key word here.. what we see between US and Russia
in Europe and Ukraine is a war on influence.. Both fighting with words ,and actions to gain support for their side.