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    Post  Viktor on Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:I rather expect the VKO will have satellite based detection and mobile S-500 systems to perform the same mission for Russia on land and likely the navy will be able to use a naval S-500 and satellite based sensors to the same end at sea...

    Have you any information about VKO satellite system?

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:23 am

    No.

    They might have inherited some optical and other satellites from the PVO and Space forces, but the new radar based satellites will likely be new... I remember reading about an official stating that the rate of satellite launches for military purposes would have to increase significantly and mentioned the VKO as a primary user of such new satellites.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:28 pm

    I have a feeling they wont go for just tracking ICBM launch like today`s EW satellites. This ones will be integrated with the newly formed

    aerospace defense and they could use them to track balistic/cruise missiles but even fighters/bombers and provide EW.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:08 am

    The VKO is the combination of the PVO from the air force and the Space defence forces, so it will include all the early warning missile radars as well as all the early warning satellites, so I would expect them to be looking for everything.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:38 am

    Excellent photo of S-300 battery shooting

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:44 pm

    Are there any photos of S-500 missiles anywhere?Will it enter service in the PVo about the same time as the armata enters service in the Russian army?

    One thing I've always wondered is about how many % of trident,minuteman, etc. nuclear warheads could the PVO with A-135s,S-300s and S-400s destroy in a full scale US nuclear attack.
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    Post  gaurav on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:21 pm

    One thing I've always wondered is about how many %
    of trident,minuteman, etc. nuclear warheads could the PVO with A-135s,S-300s and
    S-400s destroy in a full scale US nuclear attack.
    Dont worry about Tridents ..U.S is busy trying to create jobs for half of its population..Tridents will not fly off
    the ground becase their will be no officers with paid salaries to launch missiles.. he he Smile

    Besides Russia is developing very complex(ultra complex) arrangements of air and missile defenses as detailed by Victor.

    These are the reasons for taking long time to develop whole set of technology.

    The latest report suggests Almaz-antey has shifted its focus on S-400 upgrade ,
    dont know the name though of (S-400 upgrade).The work load of different technologies developed at same time
    is dramatically affecting the time taken to come out with prototypes.

    A-235 strategic missle defence is also in the works. It is ahuge system. Developed in complete secrecy.

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:re there any photos of S-500 missiles anywhere?
    Will it enter service in the PVo about the same time as the armata enters service in the Russian army?
    Total secrecy Smile
    A long range missile(offcial designation unknown) S-500 missile did go into testing in 2013 .But it will be integrated with s-400 , thats what was reported in interfax.

    77N6 and 77N6-N1 being developed now, I suspect these are not the actual names.PLease not
    the below quote from Forum member .. the latter half ..
    The 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 missile for S-500 is claimed by Izvestiya

    and I would take any news from it with a truck load of salt except for interviews
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:20 pm

    gaurav wrote:
    One thing I've always wondered is about how many %
    of trident,minuteman, etc. nuclear warheads could the PVO with A-135s,S-300s and
    S-400s destroy in a full scale US nuclear attack.
    Dont worry about Tridents ..U.S is busy trying to create jobs for half of its population..Tridents will not fly off
    the ground becase their will be no officers with paid salaries to launch missiles.. he he Smile

    Besides Russia is developing very complex(ultra complex) arrangements of air and missile defenses as detailed by Victor.

    These are the reasons for taking long time to develop whole set of technology.

    The latest report suggests Almaz-antey has shifted its focus on S-400 upgrade ,
    dont know the name though of (S-400 upgrade).The work load of different technologies developed at same time
    is dramatically affecting the time taken to come out with prototypes.

    A-235 strategic missle defence is also in the works. It is ahuge system. Developed in complete secrecy.

    ok thx for the info. BTW I was just being curious in a theoretical full nuclear exchange scenario if the Russian PVO would actually be able to destroy enough incoming warheads so that the country isn't entirely turned into a worthless radioactive wasteland and so there are actual civilians saved Wink
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:47 pm

    If there is a full out nuclear exchange, they won't do squat.
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    Post  Zivo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:17 am

    They would buy time, that's about it.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:03 am

    Which suggests the Mig-31 replacement will be the likely aerial platform for these S-500 based AAMs...

    Interesting.
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    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:44 am

    GarryB wrote:Which suggests the Mig-31 replacement will be the likely aerial platform for these S-500 based AAMs...

    Interesting.

    Where are they talking about S-500 AAM ?
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    Post  gaurav on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:32 pm


    Which suggests the Mig-31 replacement will be the likely aerial platform for these S-500
    This S-500 is confusing... Rolling Eyes

    Secrecy and possible(intented )delays not helping the matters..

    What is the meaning of "AME" .. in this article
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:35 am

    Prospective AAMS will be capable of hitting not only ballistic missiles, but also hypersonic, as well as aerodynamic targets (aircraft, helicopters and other air targets).

    The head of Almaz Antei has already said that the next generation ABM missiles will be air launched.
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    Post  medo on Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:15 pm

    I more think next generation ABM missiles will be launched from air, ground and sea. Ground based SAM S-500 missile could be basic missile for all, Mig-31 replacement, S-500 and naval system for modernized Kirov cruiser or new class destroyer.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue May 07, 2013 1:45 am

    Excellent report about 606th Red Banner Guards air defense missile regiment which first received S-400

    LINK




    And whats more important new radars are entering service (did not mentioned the type but number is 6)

    I think we might expect new S-400 regiment soon.

    Russian aerospace defense forces: continued re-radio air defense units in the Moscow area

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    Post  medo on Tue May 07, 2013 6:41 pm

    I wonder how many Nebo-M complexes they got up to now.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue May 07, 2013 7:05 pm

    medo wrote:I wonder how many Nebo-M complexes they got up to now.
    Good question, and if they do have them where are they stationed? study
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    Post  Viktor on Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 pm

    medo wrote:I wonder how many Nebo-M complexes they got up to now.

    I think that one per S-400 regiment. That would give about about 4-5 up to now just for S-400 system.

    Nebo-M is also intended (I dont know if it is made) for S-300V4 and if the plans for 9 S-300V4 brigades until 2020 are correct

    that would mean up to 36 Nebo-M complex just for S-300V4.

    All in all for S-400 and S-300V4 if the numbers mentioned in the press are correct that would mean that till 2020:

    - 28 Nebo-M for 28 S-400 regiments

    - 36 Nebo-M for 36 S-300V4 regiments

    That would make 64 NEBO-M complex by 2020. Numbers of other radars types that should enter service till 2020 is many times higher.

    Anyway for this year it is planed about 20 unspecified radar types to enter ADF.


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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue May 14, 2013 10:01 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Moto from Almaz-Antej factory: Peaceful sky - is our business ! russia

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    hmm what's that dark grey missile at the front of the motto banner ?

    It's kinda similar shape as the 2nd Stage of 9M83 missile for S-300V's but kinda different with small canard perhaps at its nose.

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    Post  Sujoy on Wed May 15, 2013 8:01 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    hmm what's that dark grey missile at the front of the motto banner ?

    It should be the 48N6 .

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    Post  Viktor on Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 am

    Thing is that Russians when making stuff always make 100 variation of the same thing (no matter what that is)

    during development and after (while developing modernization) and there you can really see anything.

    This missile looks like 48N6 added with extra pair of fins at the top and with some kind of smaller 9M83 nozzles attached to it.

    It looks very cool though.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu May 16, 2013 1:35 am

    Viktor wrote:Thing is that Russians when making stuff always make 100 variation of the same thing (no matter what that is)

    during development and after (while developing modernization) and there you can really see anything.

    This missile looks like 48N6 added with extra pair of fins at the top and with some kind of smaller 9M83 nozzles attached to it.

    It looks very cool though.

    Sharp eye stealthflanker.

    I see, and thanks.

    Anyway it's really exciting to see. Still wondering what's that developmental missile for.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri May 17, 2013 12:45 pm

    New self propelled TEL (51P6A) for S-400 system

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    And many more interesting pictures LINK
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    Post  medo on Fri May 17, 2013 3:23 pm

    Excellent. I wonder which unit will get them first.

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