Sujoy wrote:The 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 are currently being developed for the S 400 and at a later stage maybe for the S 500 .
This is why I dont buy it.
This article is dated 28/06/2012 - which means new LONG range missile for S-400 is developed which does not correspond well
with your article that new missile is being developed.
You have two processes in question.
1. Long range missile being developed and tested
(meaning S-400 which is said in the article)
2. Long range missiles in development (meaning S-500 missiles no matter mistakes in article/blogger you posted)
The new long-range missile for the S-400 has been tested
The new long-range missile for air defense missile systems S-400 has been tested in a short time it will go to the troops, SAID on Thursday, RIA Novosti Chief of Staff of the Air Defense Command and Missile Defense Forces Aerospace Defense Minister, Major-General Andrei Demin.
"Long-range missile for the S-400 is tested and will soon go to the army," - he said.
Demin said that the construction of a new kind of army air defense comic (ASD) continues "the process is long," this system will be improved after the final formation.
S-400 "Triumph" - a system of long-and medium-range new generation. It is designed to destroy all current and future air and space attack - reconnaissance aircraft, aircraft of strategic and tactical operations, tactical and medium range ballistic missiles, hypersonic aircraft targets and radar surveillance and control aircraft.
If you look at it you will realize that as on this date or for that matter till the end of this decasde there is absolutely no need for a S 500 , which basically will be a S 400 with longer range missiles . So it makes sense to develop better missiles for the existing S 400 system
I disagree. S-500 will have completely new radar set and new command and control. MARS AESA radar being developed (it is reported that is
on testing) is being most likely optimized specially for S-500 purpose and those will be mobile ABM system much like S-300V was
but on much larger scale and most likely connected with Russian EW radars and command centers.
S-500 will form basis of new Russian mobile ABM and high flying hypersonic threats of the future.
Well back in 2009 Zelin talked about S-400 and S-500 defining S-500 as a new generation of air defense systems designed to deal
with the future threats.
Well this is article from 11/08/2009
Sujoy wrote:Russia to revamp air-space defenses by 2020 - Air Force chief
MOSCOW, August 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will create a new generation of air and space defenses to counter any strikes against its territory by 2020 due to a potential foreign threat, the Air Force commander said on Tuesday.
"By 2030...foreign countries, particularly the United States, will be able to deliver coordinated high-precision strikes from air and space against any target on the whole territory of Russia," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said, referring to the potential for new hypersonic and space-based offensive weapons.
"That is why the main goal of the development of the Russian Air Force until 2020 is to create a new branch of the Armed Forces, which would form the core of the country's air and space defenses to provide a reliable deterrent during peacetime, and repel any military aggression with the use of conventional and nuclear arsenals in a time of war," the general said.
According to Zelin, all Russian Air Force units will be constantly combat-ready by 2020.
"We are planning to conduct a gradual transition of Air Force units to a constant combat-ready status...and accomplish this task by 2020," the commander said.
During this period, the Air Force will bring combat units to full strength, equip them with modernized and new weaponry, and significantly improve combat training of military pilots.
Zelin said under the new concept, air-space defense brigades will be created within Russia's Air Force, and they will be equipped with advanced S-400 and planned S-500 air defense systems.
"In line with the new air-space defense concept, we have already formed a number of brigades, which will be armed with S-400 and S-500 air defense systems," Zelin said at a news conference in Moscow.
The S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) is designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot, and 2 1/2 times that of Russia's S-300PMU-2.
The system is also believed to be able to destroy stealth aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, and is effective at ranges up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles) and speeds up to 4.8 kilometers (3 miles) per second.
Russia's Defense Ministry considers the delivery of S-400 air defense missile systems to the Russian Armed Forces a priority, and wants the defense industry to increase the production of these systems despite the current economic crisis.
The fifth-generation S-500 air defense system, which is currently in the blueprint stage and is expected to be rolled out by 2012, would outperform the S-400 as well as the U.S. Patriot Advanced Capability-3 system.
"The S-500 system is being developed under a unique design...and will be capable of destroying hypersonic and ballistic targets," the general said.
Meanwhile, the Soviet-era MiG-31 Foxhound supersonic interceptor aircraft will most likely be used as part of the new air-space defense network, as was intended when it was designed.
"We are upgrading this system to be able to accomplish the same [air-space defense] tasks," Zelin said.
According to some sources, Russia has over 280 MiG-31 aircraft in active service and about 100 aircraft in reserve.
Those two systems S-400 and S-500 may end up looking in the same way but will certainly be two different system each optimized
for its own role with radar systems designed for that role and missiles as well.
In conclusion S-400 and S-500 are two different system designed each designed around its threats thats supposed to deal with and
each with its own set of missiles, radars and command posts but at the same time all integrated.