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French Arms Exports
George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°51
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Indonesia signs deal to acquire 42 Dassault Rafale fighter jets
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/indonesia-orders-42-rafale-jets-french-defence-minister-says-2022-02-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/indonesia-orders-42-rafale-jets-french-defence-minister-says-2022-02-10/
GarryB- Posts : 40448
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- Post n°52
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Australia wont like that... I suspect the French lowered the price or made offers to sweeten the deal to make sure it went through perhaps?
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- Post n°53
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They must have made some sort of discount otherwise Indonesia wouldn't buy so many airplanes.
It is a good thing they are buying the Rafale. At least this way Uncle Sham won't get as much money out of the deal.
It is still a worse deal than getting Russian aircraft. But I guess they don't want to risk the sanctions.
It is a good thing they are buying the Rafale. At least this way Uncle Sham won't get as much money out of the deal.
It is still a worse deal than getting Russian aircraft. But I guess they don't want to risk the sanctions.
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Isos- Posts : 11589
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- Post n°54
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US are still offering 36 F-15EX for 13 billion dollars. And Indonesia has signed only for the first 4 or 8 Rafales. Moreover they asked for off sets in the contra t, which means France will have to reinvest a part of the money in Indonesia. India signed such agreement and never got any investement and is no sueing dassault.
It could end like in Australia.
It could end like in Australia.
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TMA1- Posts : 1189
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- Post n°55
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That is freaking expensive. I remember russia trying to do deals of two dozen su-35 fighters for two billion. Thirty six advanced f-15 fighters for thirteen billion is a hell of a lot of money.
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lyle6- Posts : 2549
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- Post n°56
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They can keep adding zeros to the cheque for all they want - there's no money in the account.
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lancelot- Posts : 3120
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- Post n°57
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Isos wrote:US are still offering 36 F-15EX for 13 billion dollars. And Indonesia has signed only for the first 4 or 8 Rafales. Moreover they asked for off sets in the contra t, which means France will have to reinvest a part of the money in Indonesia. India signed such agreement and never got any investement and is no sueing dassault.
It could end like in Australia.
Any claims of reinvestments in military contracts are always bullshit. They never do these offsets. Going for anything other than lowest price is always a scam.
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GarryB- Posts : 40448
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- Post n°58
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Any claims of reinvestments in military contracts are always bullshit. They never do these offsets. Going for anything other than lowest price is always a scam.
The problem with going for the lowest price is that they will just lie... F-35s dropped in price to 80 million an airframe... but only because that is all you got... an airframe... without the 30 million dollar engine to make it an aircraft.
Of course the French are no innocents they entered an aircraft into a 10 billion dollar programme they had no intention to sell for 10 billion.
8.4 billion for 36 of the 126 required is cheating too, but India had its eyes open and made that choice so you can't really blame anyone but India for that one.
Is anyone going to make a chess joke?
Indonesia should have waited 5 years and then make their decision to checkmate the west...
US threats are only effective while the Indonesian economy is dependent on US trade. If Russia and her allies can replace the US in trade terms, perhaps offering better conditions, Indonesia might be freed to make decisions for its own security rather than giving in to US bullying and threats.
George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°59
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Australia to pay France $584 million to break submarine contract
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4538620.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4538620.html
GarryB- Posts : 40448
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- Post n°60
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Sounds cheap but it is not because they are turning down a 90 billion dollar deal for modern capable SSKs so they can design their own SSNs which is going to make two times the 90 billion Australian dollars for those SSKs look cheap.
But SSKs lack the endurance to sail up to Chinese waters and harrass the Chinese navy for a month or two at a time, so SSKs are just not good enough for US interests in the region so they have to turn down the French offer and go with a joint American UK design... I guess the UK bought in to the programme by deciding to spend big money upgrading Trident at a time when their healthcare workers were put under enormous pressure and got no decent pay increases...
If only everyone who worked for the country was as well paid as politicians make sure they themselves are...
But SSKs lack the endurance to sail up to Chinese waters and harrass the Chinese navy for a month or two at a time, so SSKs are just not good enough for US interests in the region so they have to turn down the French offer and go with a joint American UK design... I guess the UK bought in to the programme by deciding to spend big money upgrading Trident at a time when their healthcare workers were put under enormous pressure and got no decent pay increases...
If only everyone who worked for the country was as well paid as politicians make sure they themselves are...
George1- Posts : 18498
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Lithuania to acquire 18 CAESAR Mk II self-propelled howitzers
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4541286.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4541286.html
George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°62
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26 more Rafales and 3 Scorpene submarines to India
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/india-ministry-gives-initial-nod-buy-26-rafales-3-submarines-france-ani-2023-07-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/india-ministry-gives-initial-nod-buy-26-rafales-3-submarines-france-ani-2023-07-10/
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lancelot- Posts : 3120
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- Post n°63
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For the price of these Rafale the Indians could upgrade all their Su-30MKI to Su-30SM2 level and get much more bang for their buck. And still have some change left.
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George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°64
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Firm contract for 18 more Rafale fighters for Indonesia
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4736816.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4736816.html
George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°65
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- France’s Naval Group wins $6 billion Dutch submarine project
- Diesel-electric Barracuda design selected to replace Dutch navy’s Walrus-class submarines
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/15/frances-naval-group-wins-6-billion-dutch-submarine-project/
https://euro-sd.com/2024/03/major-news/37133/barracuda-to-be-new-dutch-sub/
- Diesel-electric Barracuda design selected to replace Dutch navy’s Walrus-class submarines
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/15/frances-naval-group-wins-6-billion-dutch-submarine-project/
https://euro-sd.com/2024/03/major-news/37133/barracuda-to-be-new-dutch-sub/
George1- Posts : 18498
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Indonesia has ordered two Scorpene-class attack submarines from France's Naval Group
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240402-indonesia-buys-two-submarines-from-france-s-naval-group
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240402-indonesia-buys-two-submarines-from-france-s-naval-group
George1- Posts : 18498
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- Post n°67
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Armenia and Estonia signed contracts for the purchase of French self-propelled howitzers CAESAR
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4836242.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4836242.html
George1- Posts : 18498
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Portugal to buy 36 Caesar self-propelled howitzers from France
https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/breaking-news-portugal-signs-an-agreement-with-france-for-acquisition-of-caesar-8x8-155mm-howitzers
https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/breaking-news-portugal-signs-an-agreement-with-france-for-acquisition-of-caesar-8x8-155mm-howitzers