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    Swastika, flag found on burnt car in Park-Extension
    Police investigating burnt car found on Tuesday night

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/swastika-flag-found-on-burnt-car-in-park-extension-1.3070510

    Montreal police are investigating a suspicious fire in a vehicle in Montreal's Park-Extension neighbourhood after the burnt car was found with a flag attached and a swastika scrawled on the passenger side door.

    Emergency crews responded to a 911 call near the intersection of Birnam Street and Jarry Street.

    The vehicle had a flag on the roof and two ribbons on the door handles.

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    THE STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO RUSSOPHOBIC ACT OF VANDALISM IN MONTREAL

    http://russiancongresscanada.org/news-en/the-statement-in-regards-to-russophobic-act-of-vandalism-in-montreal/

    The Russian Congress of Canada would like to express its greatest discontent in connection with the act of vandalism that took place in Montreal on May 12, 2015, when someone burned the car decorated with the Russian flag.

    Over the past few months the Russian Congress of Canada has repeatedly urged the media to stop a Russophobic campaign triggered by the nationalist part of the Ukrainian community in Canada, which, sadly enough, has been supported by several members of Parliament


    Canada: Toronto's Russian community and WWII veterans celebrate V-Day
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    Published on May 9, 2015

    Toronto's Russian community and World War II veterans gathered at the city's Soviet memorial, Saturday, to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Victory Day and pay their respects to those who died to ensure the defeat of the Nazis.


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    Post  Osobist on Thu May 14, 2015 7:01 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Bolt wrote:
    Consider this a hearsay, but it was taken from Twower's blog, who is a former Russian officer, and still has some connections in the Army. I'm leaning to believe that what he says here is mostly true.


    And how you know he is a "former Russian Officer" ? or that he have "some connections in the army" , because is on internet it must be true?  lol1   Common show evidence and stop
    posting Rumors without any evidence and later claiming it must be true. No  Anyone can
    claim to be "insider" and pull from his Ass numbers and later claim is real... Poroshenko
    last year told 12,000 Russian ARmy soldiers were killed in the airport alone.. lol1 yet they were so unlucky to not have anyone in the ukraine army with smartphone and take a single picture of it..  Rolling Eyes  as always ,words are cheap ,when no evidence presented to backup them.

    yet his explanation of why they lost the airport ,is that they simply saw no point in holding it
    because was too destroyed and retreated..    Rolling Eyes   But today Poroshenko is saying is an strategic place and that they will take it again..  Wink  And his right hand YAtsenut , told that Russia captured the airport using nukes..  Shocked   Is just total stupidity and people who backup things without evidence and claim is a facts are really embarrassing themselves.

    So really stop posting Rumors of "insiders" ,or Internet "blogger experts" like Casadd or Saker who have been wrong too in many of their claims.. and any Mothers of soldiers bullshit ,and later claim something is true without any evidence..  i still remember the conspiracies promoted by so called "Experts" with popular websites like Saker..  of how Russian Central Bank was in bes with the west.. and was going to destroy Russia economy.  lol1

    Now no one talks negatively about the head of central bank of Russia ,is even called "lucky" by the west and reports of how she saved Russia.

    if you have any evidence of a single Russian ARmy soldier fighting in Ukraine killed ,then go ahead ,and post your evidence.. but stop claiming things without evidence. Buks missiles? Russian army invasion with hundreds or thousands Russian army killed?  Evidence please..
    or it never happened.  IF kiev had any evidence they will show it in no time to try to get more sanctions on Russia..and will not not rely in Social media and bloggers or photos from Georgia invasion as "Evidence".  Rolling Eyes  

    In more news.. a picture is worth of thousand words..  

    Putin playing Chess and Obama checkers.. i really like how a simple image
    can say more than a wall of text .  Laughing

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    Well, good that I live in Russian part of internetz, there ARE Russian tactical groups in Donbass giving a helping hand and doing a heavy lifting when bravery of miners and tractorists is not enough, making those fancy cauldrons and precise arty strikes a reality, provided - contractors and within frames of plausible deniability i.e you can't take this proof to court. Here's about 5-th brigade that winter (famous combat-Buryat) http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/2099.html and it's not usuall "circles" on Google-maps.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 7:50 am

    Osobist wrote:

    Well, good that I live in Russian part of internetz, there ARE Russian tactical groups in Donbass giving a helping hand and doing a heavy lifting when bravery of miners and tractorists is not enough, making those fancy cauldrons and precise arty strikes a reality, provided - contractors and within frames of plausible deniability i.e you can't take this proof to court. Here's about 5-th brigade that winter (famous combat-Buryat) http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/2099.html and it's not usuall "circles" on Google-maps.

    That doesn't prove a a single shit of Russian ARmy invasion , is that the best evidence you have .. lol1  Insignias and uniforms means nothing of Russian army there.. almost all Rebels use Russian army uniforms , Motorola for example looks in full Russian Anti Terrorist gear.. that they get from Russia.. All those thing ,including rifles you can get under the table in Russia or Ukraine.. Big deal.. You have to be kidding that evidence can be used to court..  or anything remotely to conclusive evidence..Old trucks Doors painted in white ink.. you have to be kidding .. to claim that is evidence.

    Your link actually reinforce that there is no Russian army in Ukraine ,if someone needs to
    grasp at straws ,and create reports with so weak evidence.. is because they have no evidence at all., only volunteers or private security is the best you can get there.  Uniforms you can get them , all rebels have them.. insignias.. the Rebels make their own insignians ,weapons rifles they can get it , Donetsk actually is repairing tanks and build their own munition with the soviet factories they have. For sure there have to be specialist either defectors from Ukraine Army or civilians from Russia providing the knows of how to repair tanks or even build munition or weapons.

    Show me the Buks missiles..? Show me the T-90 battalions or T-72B3 battalions? Where are the ISkander missiles ? Tornado Artillery? All i see is what appears that might be 2-3 Russian citizens ,using Ukrainian rusty trucks and gear.. which will suggest voluntary groups..
    Since many rebels use Russian Flags ,in their tanks and trucks and gear..in their support of Russia ,then it will be hard to know .    Kiev claims about 50,000 Russian army soldiers crossed the border.. but such force you cannot hide from OSCE 300+ monitors or Ukrainians inspectors in the buffer zone.. They claim near a hundreds or more Russians soldiers killed but no evidence of that.. Why is that?  That they can count bodies ,but never take photos?  

    Sorry dude ,your evidence of "Russian army invasion " is really embarrassing and makes you look like an idiot.. the website site naturally is from and Ukrainian..  so is no surprising that they
    go create so desperate and weak reports..   If there was a Russian Army invasion ,the best place to have them will be in the front line ,in the most hardest zone.. Like the airport of donetsk..and over there there are tons of videos and all you see is fighters from Ukraine with some volunteers from Russia , including Motorola and kosacks.. that is not the russian army.

    The so called "Russian army invasion" is nothing more than Locals from Donetsk and Lugansk.. majority of Separatist forces are ukraine army defectors.. there are thousands of them..who rejected the coup and support Russia. Thousand of miners too , former Berkut police of Ukraine , a minority of volunteers from Russia and also Europe according to Donetsk Ministry information ,with experience in combat ,veterans from afgan or chechen war no longer in the army,(like Motorola) ,helping the locals self defense forces of Donetsk and lugansk..with combat duties but also training.. mechanics too of tanks. There is ton of help from Russia ,in logistics and possibly portable weapons and munitions to the Rebels.. but thats is not a RUssian army invasion.. Neutral


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 14, 2015 7:51 am

    Ukraine to become a confederation? I can't see Ukraine maintaining as a unified state, Balkanization for sure and quite possibly you may see Novorossiya amount to a confederation with a few other break away states including a potential Odessa Peoples Republic.
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    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Swastika, flag found on burnt car in Park-Extension
    Police investigating burnt car found on Tuesday night

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/swastika-flag-found-on-burnt-car-in-park-extension-1.3070510

    Montreal police are investigating a suspicious fire in a vehicle in Montreal's Park-Extension neighbourhood after the burnt car was found with a flag attached and a swastika scrawled on the passenger side door.

    Emergency crews responded to a 911 call near the intersection of Birnam Street and Jarry Street.

    The vehicle had a flag on the roof and two ribbons on the door handles.

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    THE STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO RUSSOPHOBIC ACT OF VANDALISM IN MONTREAL

    http://russiancongresscanada.org/news-en/the-statement-in-regards-to-russophobic-act-of-vandalism-in-montreal/

    The Russian Congress of Canada would like to express its greatest discontent in connection with the act of vandalism that took place in Montreal on May 12, 2015, when someone burned the car decorated with the Russian flag.

    Over the past few months the Russian Congress of Canada has repeatedly urged the media to stop a Russophobic campaign triggered by the nationalist  part of the Ukrainian community in Canada, which, sadly enough, has been supported by several members of Parliament


    Canada: Toronto's Russian community and WWII veterans celebrate V-Day
    RuptlyTV
    Published on May 9, 2015

    Toronto's Russian community and World War II veterans gathered at the city's Soviet memorial, Saturday, to commemorate the 70th anniversary of Victory Day and pay their respects to those who died to ensure the defeat of the Nazis.


    Some of the stories we hear about harassment and hate crime happening in Canada rival what the Right Sector or Svoboda parties do in Ukraine on a daily basis, and worst of all is that Ottawa seems to turn a blind eye to these actions somewhat similar to how Kiev encourages them.

    I would love to hear what the few Russo-Canadians on this forum think about this.
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    Post  whir on Thu May 14, 2015 9:20 am

    wrote:Questions Raised Over Poroshenko's Role In Valuable Kyiv Land Deal
    By Maksym Savchuk and Daisy Sindelar May 13, 2015

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    KYIV -- An investigation by RFE/RL shows that Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko may have used his presidential influence to shut down investigations into a land deal aimed at building a private mansion on a historic site in the Ukrainian capital.

    Two reports broadcast on RFE/RL's Ukrainian-language television program, Schemes, reveal that over the course of seven years, Poroshenko quietly appropriated more than a hectare of protected land in Kyiv's elite Pechera district and recently quashed an inquiry into the damage of an 18th-century structure caused by construction work on his plot.

    The revelations come as Poroshenko, soon to mark his first year in office, faces growing criticism for failing to divest his billion-dollar business holdings and diminish the political influence of Ukrainian oligarchs like Dmytro Firtash, who last week claimed he personally orchestrated Poroshenko's rise to the presidency.

    Supporters of Poroshenko -- still one of Ukraine's richest men, with an estimated fortune of $750 million -- defend him as a "president of de-oligarchization." But his failure to honor his campaign pledge to divest himself of his assets, as well as new findings about his property holdings, may add to questions about his commitment to separating politics from property and money. Continue reading.

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    WASHINGTON, May 14. /TASS/. US Senator for Arizona, Republican party, John McCain has told BuzzFeed News he never accepted a proposal of participating in Ukraine’s council for reforms.

    "I was asked to do it both by Ukraine and [former Georgian leader Mikhail] Saakashvili and I said I would be inclined to do it but I said I needed to look at all the nuances of it, whether it’s legal under our ethics and all that kind of stuff," he said. Continue reading.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu May 14, 2015 11:26 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Osobist wrote:

    Well, good that I live in Russian part of internetz, there ARE Russian tactical groups in Donbass giving a helping hand and doing a heavy lifting when bravery of miners and tractorists is not enough, making those fancy cauldrons and precise arty strikes a reality, provided - contractors and within frames of plausible deniability i.e you can't take this proof to court. Here's about 5-th brigade that winter (famous combat-Buryat) http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/2099.html and it's not usuall "circles" on Google-maps.

    That doesn't prove a a single shit of Russian ARmy invasion , is that the best evidence you have .. lol1  Insignias and uniforms means nothing of Russian army there.. almost all Rebels use Russian army uniforms , Motorola for example looks in full Russian Anti Terrorist gear.. that they get from Russia.. All those thing ,including rifles you can get under the table in Russia or Ukraine.. Big deal.. You have to be kidding that evidence can be used to court..  or anything remotely to conclusive evidence..Old trucks Doors painted in white ink.. you have to be kidding .. to claim that is evidence.

    Your link actually reinforce that there is no Russian army in Ukraine ,if someone needs to
    grasp at straws ,and create reports with so weak evidence.. is because they have no evidence at all., only volunteers or private security is the best you can get there.  Uniforms you can get them , all rebels have them.. insignias.. the Rebels make their own insignians ,weapons rifles they can get it , Donetsk actually is repairing tanks and build their own munition with the soviet factories they have. For sure there have to be specialist either defectors from Ukraine Army or civilians from Russia providing the knows of how to repair tanks or even build munition or weapons.

    Show me the Buks missiles..? Show me the T-90 battalions or T-72B3 battalions? Where are the ISkander missiles ? Tornado Artillery? All i see is what appears that might be 2-3 Russian citizens ,using Ukrainian rusty trucks and gear.. which will suggest voluntary groups..
    Since many rebels use Russian Flags ,in their tanks and trucks and gear..in their support of Russia ,then it will be hard to know .    Kiev claims about 50,000 Russian army soldiers crossed the border.. but such force you cannot hide from OSCE 300+ monitors or Ukrainians inspectors in the buffer zone.. They claim near a hundreds or more Russians soldiers killed but no evidence of that.. Why is that?  That they can count bodies ,but never take photos?  

    Sorry dude ,your evidence of "Russian army invasion " is really embarrassing and makes you look like an idiot.. the website site naturally is from and Ukrainian..  so is no surprising that they
    go create so desperate and weak reports..   If there was a Russian Army invasion ,the best place to have them will be in the front line ,in the most hardest zone.. Like the airport of donetsk..and over there there are tons of videos and all you see is fighters from Ukraine with some volunteers from Russia , including Motorola and kosacks.. that is not the russian army.

    The so called "Russian army invasion" is nothing more than Locals from Donetsk and Lugansk.. majority of Separatist forces are ukraine army defectors.. there are thousands of them..who rejected the coup and support Russia. Thousand of miners too , former Berkut police of Ukraine , a minority of volunteers from Russia and also Europe according to Donetsk Ministry information ,with experience in combat ,veterans from afgan or chechen war no longer in the army,(like Motorola) ,helping the locals self defense forces of Donetsk and lugansk..with combat duties but also training.. mechanics too of tanks. There is ton of help from Russia ,in logistics and possibly portable weapons and munitions to the Rebels.. but thats is not a RUssian army invasion..  Neutral

    Vann...

    ... but you don't doubt that there are a few hundred specialists as well as probable involvement of Russian artillery during the august cauldron? We've seen pictures of shelled convoys with people burned to charcoal - no way volunteer militia could've done that.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu May 14, 2015 11:32 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Ukraine to become a confederation? I can't see Ukraine maintaining as a unified state, Balkanization for sure and quite possibly you may see Novorossiya amount to a confederation with a few other break away states including a potential Odessa Peoples Republic.

    I hope so, personally I would like to see 'novorossia' remain within the borders of the. Don/lugansk oblasts. But if it could be achieved peacefully, the addition of kharkov and maybe odessa would be welcome. Though i think thats more of a fairytale to be honest.

    The only thing we can guarantee is that ukraine will never start uniting or find peace whilst the current retards are leading the show. Ukraine needs a real statesman to turn up who can bring the country together, but that can only happen after the nationalists have been purged and the the fires of ukrainian nationalism/russophobia are extinguished.

    In other news, had anyone seen the news today that the ukrainian government have chsnged the name of simferopol airport to the name of a crimean tatar sultan?

    The comedy show rolls on, you can say what you want about the russians, but when it comes to diplomacy they are pretty slick and classy movers, the ukies are like a bunch of fat kids with adhd in mcdonalds lol.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Thu May 14, 2015 11:39 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Vann...

    ... but you don't doubt that there are a few hundred specialists as well as probable involvement of Russian artillery during the august cauldron? We've seen pictures of shelled convoys with people burned to charcoal - no way volunteer militia could've done that.

    The rebels have achieved way more than expected of them, and the real russian involvement is far less than what the ukies like to portray, but it is there. I thought we were at the stage where russian involvement isnt really denied, the only question is to what extent they were involved?

    People should be happy that russia did help the rebels, if they didnt theres a good chance scenes like the old veteran being dowsed in milk on victory day would be repeating itself all over donbass. Pro russians would be jumping out of windows or shooting themselves in the back 8 times with a rifle etc etc.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 11:52 am

    Certainly the The Kiev Facist.. are desperate to provoke not only the Rebels to start a fight ,but Russia into a war with Ukraine and invade..  The latest statements by Porkishenko are basically
    a declaration of Terrorist War against Russia.  threatening millions of Ethnic Russians legally living in Ukraine for generations with Jail and confiscation of their properties..

    I don't think that Russia or any other nation in their right mind will tolerate that against their own people.. So what will Russia do? or should do ? their options?

    1)Ideally to try to get Europe on Russia side and start sanctions against kiev and freeze Poroshenko and its government bank accounts and the parliament accounts outside..

    but if Europe look to the sides while millions of ethnic Russians are arrested ,beaten and their
    properties stolen and placed in concentration camps ..

    then Russia should
    2) Either try to murder Poroshenko and its key Government players.. to disband the nation ,

    3)or start creating new fronts of war.. in Kharkiv and Mariupol and all border zones ,organizing guerrillas in all Ukraine with the help of Belarus and Hungary..

    or the last resort , if a major genocide start against of hundreds of civilians every week and Europe do not care..

    4)then Russia should declare war against Ukraine , but not before launching an iskander missile
    in Rada parliament .

    If Russia is forced to invade ,they will need to drive their tanks all the way to kiev.. and wipe
    the NulandNAzi bastards from there.

    i don't think NATO will interfere directly and they ,after they provoked kiev to start a war.. will start talking about the need to return to minsk agreements..  to distant from the violence they are undercovertly creating.  But i do think that NATO will try to damage as much as possible
    Russia economy ,by creating the biggest number possible of Russian Refugees and sabotaging
    Ukraine nuclear plants..   In other words.. The war in Ukraine is nothing more than an economic war on Russia .  but also for Obama and its Republican senate and congress ,to justify a new cold war 2.0 and the economic blockade of Russia from Europe at least.

    They know Kiev stand not a chance to win vs Russia.. so it will be more like a war of attrition .
    The biggest problem here will be Ukraine nuclear reactors.. they really pose a major threat to Russia and Ukraine too.. So keep your eyes of those nuclear reactors.. the western Neocons will not mind destroying completely Ukraine ,to the point of turning it into a waste land.. if that is all
    that it takes to seriously collapse Russia economy and create Unrest in Russia because of a long war in Ukraine. that could virtually last for years if Poland and ROmania sends mercenaries through its borders to cause problems.. similar to a Syrian war.

    So the last option of a Russian Invasion ,i really don't like it.. it could provoke a major retaliation of ethnic Russians by civilians population and force Russia to invade all Ukraine all the way to its European Borders.. Patience will be the key ... and the reason for this is that kiev does not have much time.. its minister of economy is warning of an imminent bankruptcy of Kiev withing a month or more..  

    So the best option for Russia i think..is to start doing preparations ,for the major unrest in Ukraine  if a major repression start and millions innocent civilians arrested. and Europe look to the sides and do nothing ..and to target Kiev economy fast and bankrupt them.. that will provoke a major panic on all Ukraine and people start widrawing its money from banks and start getting rid of them.. This will also make much more easier
    to end the loyalty of Ukrainians towards kiev.. give ukraine its bolshevic revolution. .when millions lose their jobs and their savings in banks no longer have any value.. That is when patriotism will go to hell ,and  the real Big Revolution will start in kiev..and when Kiev opposition will start to take control of cities.. and declare its Independence too.. at very least.. i see Mariupol ,Odessa and Kharkiv rebellions and more rebellions against the government.  And it will be ideal if Russia infiltrate commandos ,and hide with civilians in all cities ,well armed ,with silenced weapons ,to target the NulandNazis and all American or NATO soldiers there helping to maintain in Power kiev. Russia will have a significant advantage infiltrating commandos in Ukraine because there are many Russian supporters in Ukraine..

    IT will be also ideal if Russia gets the support of Belarus to restore order in Ukraine ,using force.
    Once Poroshenko removed and Russia takes control of Ukraine declare new elections with a new government that is not criminal and respect its citizens.

    here the news..
    Poroshenko Green-Lights Bill Allowing Russians to Be Sent to Internee Camps


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150512/1022058084.html

    This is horrible.. things like this have never happened since World war 2.. arresting millions
    and sending them to labor camps is a war crime..and honestly i don't think many countries in Europe will tolerate that.. and probably Europe will divide in half.. with the Anti Russian nations vs the more friendly and or neutral ones.



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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 14, 2015 11:56 am

    Oh you so cwazy....

    Kill Poroshenko? Why? He's a blessing? Wrecks everything, makes ATO look like a circus, incompetent to boot. His government has lied so much, even the rest of the US crew are thinking about going Thieu on him. See the little RFE article, when shit like that gets published, you've fallen in disgrace, time to east your tie.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 14, 2015 11:58 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Osobist wrote:

    Well, good that I live in Russian part of internetz, there ARE Russian tactical groups in Donbass giving a helping hand and doing a heavy lifting when bravery of miners and tractorists is not enough, making those fancy cauldrons and precise arty strikes a reality, provided - contractors and within frames of plausible deniability i.e you can't take this proof to court. Here's about 5-th brigade that winter (famous combat-Buryat) http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/2099.html and it's not usuall "circles" on Google-maps.

    That doesn't prove a a single shit of Russian ARmy invasion , is that the best evidence you have .. lol1  Insignias and uniforms means nothing of Russian army there.. almost all Rebels use Russian army uniforms , Motorola for example looks in full Russian Anti Terrorist gear.. that they get from Russia.. All those thing ,including rifles you can get under the table in Russia or Ukraine.. Big deal.. You have to be kidding that evidence can be used to court..  or anything remotely to conclusive evidence..Old trucks Doors painted in white ink.. you have to be kidding .. to claim that is evidence.

    Your link actually reinforce that there is no Russian army in Ukraine ,if someone needs to
    grasp at straws ,and create reports with so weak evidence.. is because they have no evidence at all., only volunteers or private security is the best you can get there.  Uniforms you can get them , all rebels have them.. insignias.. the Rebels make their own insignians ,weapons rifles they can get it , Donetsk actually is repairing tanks and build their own munition with the soviet factories they have. For sure there have to be specialist either defectors from Ukraine Army or civilians from Russia providing the knows of how to repair tanks or even build munition or weapons.

    Show me the Buks missiles..? Show me the T-90 battalions or T-72B3 battalions? Where are the ISkander missiles ? Tornado Artillery? All i see is what appears that might be 2-3 Russian citizens ,using Ukrainian rusty trucks and gear.. which will suggest voluntary groups..
    Since many rebels use Russian Flags ,in their tanks and trucks and gear..in their support of Russia ,then it will be hard to know .    Kiev claims about 50,000 Russian army soldiers crossed the border.. but such force you cannot hide from OSCE 300+ monitors or Ukrainians inspectors in the buffer zone.. They claim near a hundreds or more Russians soldiers killed but no evidence of that.. Why is that?  That they can count bodies ,but never take photos?  

    Sorry dude ,your evidence of "Russian army invasion " is really embarrassing and makes you look like an idiot.. the website site naturally is from and Ukrainian..  so is no surprising that they
    go create so desperate and weak reports..   If there was a Russian Army invasion ,the best place to have them will be in the front line ,in the most hardest zone.. Like the airport of donetsk..and over there there are tons of videos and all you see is fighters from Ukraine with some volunteers from Russia , including Motorola and kosacks.. that is not the russian army.

    The so called "Russian army invasion" is nothing more than Locals from Donetsk and Lugansk.. majority of Separatist forces are ukraine army defectors.. there are thousands of them..who rejected the coup and support Russia. Thousand of miners too , former Berkut police of Ukraine , a minority of volunteers from Russia and also Europe according to Donetsk Ministry information ,with experience in combat ,veterans from afgan or chechen war no longer in the army,(like Motorola) ,helping the locals self defense forces of Donetsk and lugansk..with combat duties but also training.. mechanics too of tanks. There is ton of help from Russia ,in logistics and possibly portable weapons and munitions to the Rebels.. but thats is not a RUssian army invasion..  Neutral

    Vann...

    ... but you don't doubt that there are a few hundred specialists as well as probable involvement of Russian artillery during the august cauldron? We've seen pictures of shelled convoys with people burned to charcoal - no way volunteer militia could've done that.

    Well according to the US volunteer Jihadis with zero experience can rout armed forces ten times the size of Ukraine ATO. So yeah Hollywiid (mind your Ukrainian) disagreed.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 12:12 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

    ... but you don't doubt that there are a few hundred specialists as well as probable involvement of Russian artillery during the august cauldron?

    There have to be specialist .. in both sides of the conflict.. helping kiev and helping the rebels..
    with updating its military hardware..but that does not means there is a NATO invasion in ukraine or a Russian invasion ,but Volunteers no longer working in the army ,or private military.


    When it comes to artillery the rebels captured Lots of artillery from the ukies.. Russia does not need at all to provide any artillery , but specialist to repair captured artillery and tanks they should have.. and specialist how to setup the repair center of tanks and centers of building munition too..  Remember that Novorrosiya even thought is not recognized by Russia or Kiev or Europe as an independent state.. its administration is already operating like a new country ,and
    they selling coal to Russia. Wink  and with that money what are they doing? Smile  They have to be buying a lot of things from Abkhazia that recognized Novorossiya as a new country.. and Russia simply role there is not to interfere in the transit of things between Abkhazia or Russia and Donetsk. i will not be surprised if the Rebels already produce Assault Rifles in donetsk ,including Ak-74m ,with the help of specialist from Russia.. is not a big deal.. such weaponry is very simple. the ak-47 is even more simpler..and in afganistan artisans can make it manually with their own hands in a couple of hours. without technology of any kind or industry. Donetsk with the money they make selling Coal ,many $$ millions ,they can finance
    most of their needs ,including military ones.. like munition.  Last year ,kiev hit a weapons plant in Donetsk with a Tosch-ka missile..  So essentially if Russia did well its job , all they need to do is provide specialist and help Donetsk and Lugansk ..to solve most of their basic military hardware needs with their own industry. But also not stop any volunteers that seek to enter
    Ukraine to help them.. that said.. Russia help is a low level one.. is not a Russian ARmy invasion.. The Russian army will never taken months to take control of an airport under siege.
    Or even allowed Kiev to provide supplies to the troops under siege. neither will have allowed kiev artillery to continue shelling cities as they doing every day with civilians inside..

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 12:33 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Well according to the US volunteer Jihadis with zero experience can rout armed forces ten times the size of Ukraine ATO. So yeah Hollywiid (mind your Ukrainian) disagreed.


    If you talk about the Syrian war.. let me tell you that the mercenaries fighting vast majority , have been recruited as far as 2007.. Then you have Turkey ,Israel and Jordan using their airforce
    to provide cover for the entry of their trained Jihadist in Syria with convoys.. So the help they provide to the Jihadist is really BIG..  Now you have the US airforce providing logistics ,helping the terrorist.. and even bombing IRAQUI soldiers ,to help their jihadist .. or becoming the eyes of them..of Syrian army and IRAQ positions.. in the zones near the terrorist fighting.. So is not the same thing.. Russian Airforce is not helping the rebels in Ukraine..or giving them advanced weapons.. NATO is truly fighting in Syria.. with all their best conventional weapons.. including chemical weapons and combat planes.. but using trained mercenaries instead of their own soldiers. There are videos of US Pentagon generals too .. with the rebels in Syria.. and of McAIN in meeting with the jihadist.. So NATO is truly helping to overthrow to Syrian government.. to take control of Syria.. Russia is not seeking to overthrow anyone.. only defending civilians.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 14, 2015 12:49 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    Well according to the US volunteer Jihadis with zero experience can rout armed forces ten times the size of Ukraine ATO. So yeah Hollywiid (mind your Ukrainian) disagreed.


    If you talk about the Syrian war.. let me tell you that the mercenaries fighting vast majority , have been recruited as far as 2007.. Then you have Turkey ,Israel and Jordan using their airforce
    to provide cover for the entry of their trained Jihadist in Syria with convoys.. So the help they provide to the Jihadist is really BIG..  Now you have the US airforce providing logistics ,helping the terrorist.. and even bombing IRAQUI soldiers ,to help their jihadist .. or becoming the eyes of them..of Syrian army and IRAQ positions.. in the zones near the terrorist fighting.. So is not the same thing.. Russian Airforce is not helping the rebels in Ukraine..or giving them advanced weapons.. NATO is truly fighting in Syria.. with all their best conventional weapons.. including chemical weapons and combat planes.. but using trained mercenaries instead of their own soldiers. There are videos of US Pentagon generals too .. with the rebels in Syria.. and of McAIN in meeting with the jihadist.. So NATO is truly helping to overthrow to Syrian government.. to take control of Syria..  Russia is not seeking to overthrow anyone.. only defending civilians.

    I don't know why you write this. We know that fighting for 5 years doesn't come cheap, nor free, nor naturally. It was a sarcastic remark...Don't see US/Turkish/Qatari troops though pirat
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu May 14, 2015 2:02 pm

    Nearly 7,000 civilians murdered by the Kiev junta's indiscriminate criminal shelling. Denying Donbas people's request for Russian peacekeepers ultimately sealed the fate of these innocents. Would Obama have allowed something like this to happen to ethnic Americans on America's border? That's the million dollar question. But I would wager not. The American people would have never stood for it.

    If I were a Russian citizen, I'd organize a demonstration outside the Kremlin, asking Putin to provide military aid to Donbas, not regular soldiers, but arms. As Churchill once said, we have the men, just give us the arms and we'll do the job. By arms I mean good armor piercing bullets, artillery, Kornet and Metis M anti tank missiles, counter artillery radars would be enough, don't need jets, helicopters, tanks.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-president-says-almost-7-000-civilians-killed-in-war-1.2364888
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    Flagship Victory wrote:Nearly 7,000 civilians murdered by the Kiev junta's indiscriminate criminal shelling. Denying Donbas people's request for Russian peacekeepers ultimately sealed the fate of these innocents. Would Obama have allowed something like this to happen to ethnic Americans on America's border? That's the million dollar question. But I would wager not. The American people would have never stood for it.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-president-says-almost-7-000-civilians-killed-in-war-1.2364888

    But american have stood and still are staying for Guantanamo, Patriot Act that detains american citizens without a trail or any charges against them, americans still stay behind the fact that they are run by a dictatorship of private banks and companies that are warmongering, 911, boston bombing, they happily let die people in embassies as long it serves the purpose as PR against muslims...the americans are the least educated and the least worth for any political change.
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    It looks the war in Donetsk..by kiev ,already began ,since last week ,but is at a lower intensity..
    and for a few hours every day..Reports that they tried to invade some zones but were repelled and that they lost tanks too.. fortunately no one killed from Rebels.. but some wounded..
    Unfortunately the kiev NUlandnazis are targeting directly civilians ,targeting the gas pipelines
    to force them become poisoned.. a limited scale ,small war already is happening since days ago.. and they moving with tanks inside REbels controlled zones and also using Smerch missiles
    on Rebels positions..



    2. DONBASS-INFORMATION : 14. (13.) 05. 2015 :
    Looks a lot like ‪Kiev‬ restarts the mass murdering in former Eastern-‪‎Ukraine‬ right now; ‪
    Confirmed Kiev’s attack with GRAD rockets against Gorlovka and attempt to enter into the city; fighting continues [Source]
    After heavy ‪Ukro-Nazie‬ shelling ‪‎Kryakovka‬ area north of ‪‎Lugansk‬ NAF suppressed firing points destroying 1 APC 1 tank 4 mortars & 12 positions;
    If this is the attack, it appears to be quite smart: hitting too many places at once to allow NAF sufficiently quick artillery countermeasures;
    ‎DONBASS‬—Over past 24hrs, NAF lost 26 WIA, 2 tanks damaged, 7 firing positions & 2 mortars destroyed. (UAF & NAF losses not incl. tonight);
    ‪‎GORLOVKA‬—The leak from the gas pipeline blown up by Ukrainian forces is very serious. Significant concern of civilians’ gas poisoning;
    GORLOVKA—Reports of massive gas leak in ‪‎Komsomolets‬ district, odor noticeable in high-rise residential buildings. Leaking for many hours;

    Heavy shelling in North-West Gorlovka – UAF is using heavy artillery (122mm howitzers and mortars);



    Is clear what we witness in Ukraine from KIEV Is Total Desperation to try to force
    Russia to invade Ukraine , or force the Rebels to fight offensively .. This is because the sanctions on Russia will expire in the next month and kiev puppets of the white house ,needs to create the necessary conditions for the war to start again and later get Russia blamed for it.. and get more sanctions.. Another thing is that the Collapse of Ukraine economy is just a month away ,unless they get a new Loan from the IMF..

    So the critical point of Ukraine conflict will be this week or the other.. this is when you will see either the war to start in full scale.. or Kiev pressured to stop fighting by Europe.
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    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu May 14, 2015 2:21 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Nearly 7,000 civilians murdered by the Kiev junta's indiscriminate criminal shelling. Denying Donbas people's request for Russian peacekeepers ultimately sealed the fate of these innocents. Would Obama have allowed something like this to happen to ethnic Americans on America's border? That's the million dollar question. But I would wager not. The American people would have never stood for it.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-president-says-almost-7-000-civilians-killed-in-war-1.2364888

    But american have stood and still are staying for Guantanamo, Patriot Act that detains american citizens without a trail or any charges against them, americans still stay behind the fact that they are run by a dictatorship of private banks and companies that are warmongering, 911, boston bombing, they happily let die people in embassies as long it serves the purpose as PR against muslims...the americans are the least educated and the least worth for any political change.

    In addition to all these, the US openly blatently sends thousands of TOW anti tank missiles to terrorists in Syria. Shocked Has Russia sent any Kornets or Metis Ms to NAF? Nope.
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    Sputnik wrote:Kremlin Slams Poroshenko’s ‘Baseless’ Claims of Russian Troops in Ukraine
    EUROPE 13:04 14.05.2015(updated 13:14 14.05.2015)

    Dmitry Peskov said that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's claims about 11,000 Russian servicemen allegedly deployed in eastern Ukraine are "baseless".

    MOSCOW (RIA Novosti) – Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's claims about 11,000 Russian servicemen allegedly deployed in eastern Ukraine are "baseless," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday.
    "Such baseless, vague and ungrounded accusations will never produce a positive result, to put it mildly," Peskov said when asked to comment on Poroshenko's claims.

    In a Thursday interview with the German public broadcaster ZDF, the Ukrainian leader once again accused Russia of deploying thousands of troops to war-hit southeastern Ukraine.

    Peskov said Russia had multiple times denied Kiev's allegations about its involvement in the crisis. Similar accusations have been raised against Moscow by US and NATO officials who cited evidence of Russia's role in the hostilities between Kiev forces and eastern Ukraine's independence supporters. These reports have not been confirmed independently. Continue reading.

    Newsweek wrote:Ukraine claims to foil Kremlin plot for new breakaway state
    By Maxim Tucker 5/12/15 at 3:31 PM

    Ukrainian officials say they have thwarted a Russian plot to create a breakaway state in south-western Ukraine using "false-flag" attacks by militants dressed as Ukrainian nationalists to incite unrest and garner support for a pro-Russian "Bessarabian People's Republic". The plan was to be accompanied by a country-wide bombing campaign intended to distract authorities and hamper their ability to respond.

    Ukraine's authorities swooped on terror suspects across the country ahead of the Second World War victory celebrations on 9 May, when the plan was due to be implemented, making a string of arrests in the cities of Kiev, Odessa, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk. Four Russian nationals were detained during the raids.

    In the Black Sea port of Odessa alone, intended to become the seceding republic's capital, 226 officers from Ukraine's state security service, the SBU, took part in a massive counter-terror operation of "unprecedented" scale. Continue reading.

    Interfax via Google Translate wrote:Нуланд посетит Украину с двухдневным визитом
    Nuland will visit Ukraine with two-day visit
    10:34 05.14.2015

    Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland will visit Ukraine with two-day visit.

    Thus, according to the announcement on the official website of the Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Groisman, on Friday, May 15, V.Nuland hold a meeting with the speaker of the parliament in Kiev.

    At the same time a source in dipkrugah said the agency "Interfax-Ukraine", that during his visit to Ukraine on May 15 V.Nuland hold talks with the President, Prime Minister and the leadership of the Ukrainian parliament.

    As the agency V.Nuland arrive in Kiev on Thursday evening. On this day, she is scheduled to meet with Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

    In addition, during the two-day visit may be working meetings with the leadership of the Foreign Ministry, Interior Ministry and the Ministry of Finance. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Рада назвала аэропорт Симферополя в честь крымскотатарского летчика-испытателя
    Parliament called Simferopol Airport in honor of the Crimean Tatar test pilot
    Today, 10:53

    Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on Thursday adopted a resolution on granting the international airport Simferopol in the Crimea occupied by the name of the Crimean Tatar test pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Amet-Khan Sultan.

    In support of the relevant draft resolution of the People's Deputy faction of authorship Popular Front Andrei Teteruka voted 240 deputies, reports Interfax-Ukraine .

    A draft resolution was registered 8 May 2015 under №2796. May 13 the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Culture and Spirituality recommended to take it as a basis and as a whole.Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Рада потребовала от России прекратить нарушения прав крымских татар
    Parliament demanded that Russia stop the violations of the rights of the Crimean Tatars
    Today, 11:00 AM

    The Verkhovna Rada has demanded Russia to stop human rights violations in Crimea and called on the international community to condemn the deportation of Crimean Tatars from the peninsula in 1944 and to protect them from discrimination in the present.

    During the relevant draft resolution №2821 voted 247 deputies.

    The document contains an appeal to the UN, the European Parliament, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly, world leaders and all members of the international community condemning the Russian violations of the rights and freedoms of the Crimean Tatar people.

    "The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine: demands from the Russian Federation to immediately stop the policy of violation of human rights and freedoms in the Crimea ... including the rights of the Crimean Tatars as an indigenous people of Ukraine; ... appeals to the International Community to condemn the forcible deportation of the Crimean Tatars, carried out by the communist regime of the USSR May 18, 1944, as well as the current Russian actions aimed at violation of its rights of the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of Ukraine; calls on all the world's leading and recognized community leaders to make the necessary efforts for the protection of the Crimean Tatars from discrimination and harassment on the part of the Russian Federation ", - says the circulation. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:В доме и кабинете главы Госавиаслужбы прошли обыски
    The house and the office of the head of the State Aviation Service were searched
    Today, 12:06

    Pravoohrainteli raided the home and the office of the head of the Ministry of Transport Denis Antonyuk.

    "In my house, nothing illegal was found, and quietly left, is now going to work", - said the official news agency Interfax-Ukraine , adding that charges him in anything is not put forward.

    Antoniuk also said that the search was conducted at the request of airlines Atlasdzhet Ukraine to law enforcement agencies.

    As reported, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine in response to requests from members of the Verkhovna Rada, and at the request of the Ministry of Infrastructure, set up a commission, which conducts an audit of the Ministry of Transport.

    Earlier, in November 2014 the Association of Ukrainian airline announced that it would offer the prime minister to dismiss the head of the State Aviation Service of Ukraine Antonyuk. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Конец гегемонии ЖЭКов. Рада приняла закон о собственности в многоквартирных домах
    The end of the hegemony of ZhEKov. Rada adopted the law on property in apartment buildings
    Today, 12:11

    People's deputies supported the second reading and the whole bill on the ownership of the apartment buildings.

    This paper introduces the concept of the Civil Code "apartment house", which is defined as a house in which there are three or more apartments.

    All owners of the apartments in these homes will be considered as co-owners of the house (his premises, technical networks and equipment) and the land where it is located.

    Land ownership is transferred to them free of charge in the manner prescribed by the Cabinet.

    The project also envisages the introduction of a steward, who may employ residents of the house to control them, and self-control.

    At the same time changes in proportion to the total votes of the owners during the voting at meetings of condominiums. Whereas previously each owner had only one vote, but now the number of votes will depend on the area of ​​its housing. Continue reading.

    Hromadske Radio via Google Translate wrote:Силовики договорились с Правым сектором действовать совместно
    Security officials have agreed with the right sector to work together
    05/14/2015, 11:11

    Ukrainian Volunteer Corps "Right Sector" and representatives of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine at the meeting agreed to "avoid uncoordinated actions." About this on his page on Facebook wrote the leader of the "Right Sector" Dmitry Yarosh. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Гуляем по магазинам, покупаем колбасы. В Крыму организовали гурман-туры на материковую Украину
    We walk to the shops, buy sausage. In Crimea, organized gourmet tours to mainland Ukraine
    Today, 12:49

    Crimean "businessman" from Sevastopol group gathers for travel products in the mainland territory of Ukraine.

    According to the Center for Investigative Journalism , visit the Food cost residents of the occupied Crimea in 2,5 thousand rubles.

    According to an announcement krymchanin willing to go to "gourmet tour" harvested at night in Sevastopol and driven through Bakhchisarai, Simferopol and Armenian.

    "Arriving at 8 am, walk to the shops to 15:00 and from 15 to 17 travel back. We buy sausage, butter, cheese, sweets, fish and .... Bon appetit to you and your family. We are for a healthy and tasty food!" - says in the ad. Continue reading.

    Espresso TV Google Translate wrote:В Києві з балкону випав сусід екс-регіонала Чечетова
    In Kiev, fell from the balcony of a neighbor of former Regions Chechetov
    MAY 14, 2015 13:03

    In Kiev from the window of the house on the street Mishuhy, 2 in which he lived deputy of Regions Mikhail Chechetov, fell 35-year-old man

    Law enforcers are considering not only the version of the accident, but suicide

    The tragedy occurred yesterday at about 20:00. The man fell to the asphalt with a total of 15 floor balcony and, unfortunately, did not survive.

    "He met with friends, they drank in the hallway between floors. All gone, he stood and smoked. And then he stumbled and fell out the window," - told the police.

    Law enforcement officials said that the incident is not related to political activities.

    Recall that in the same building on February 28 suicide Mikhail Chechetov. He jumped from the 17th floor of the apartment where he lived with his wife. Continue reading.

    Interfax via Google Translate wrote:МЧС России в мае направит на восток Украины еще два гумконвоя
    Russian Emergency Situations Ministry in May, headed east Ukraine two gumkonvoya
    14 May 2015 12:08

    Moscow. May 14. INTERFAX.RU - Russian Emergency Situations Ministry will deliver in the Donbass in May, a total of three convoys, said during a meeting of the committee of public support for the inhabitants of the south-east of Ukraine Deputy Minister Vladimir Stepanov.

    "Now the 26th gumkonvoy unloaded in the territory of the two republics. Total this month there will be three gumkonvoya", - he said.

    Earlier Thursday, the Russian Emergencies Ministry convoy with humanitarian aid went to Donbass. Reportedly, more than 100 cars driven over 1.1 ths. Tons of humanitarian cargo. Among them, food, daily necessities, building materials and educational literature for Donbass students.Continue reading.

    Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:В Києві до Дня Незалежності мають позбутися всіх Ленінів, серпів та молотів
    In Kiev's Independence Day should get rid of all of Lenin, hammer and sickle
    MAY 14, 2015 13:40

    Cabinet adopted decommunisation Kyiv procedure, which involves dismantling any images leader Vladimir Lenin and communism emblem "Hammer and Sickle"

    For a decision "to replace the communist symbols on buildings belonging to communal property territorial community of Kyiv" voted 86 deputies, reports Espreso.TV . referring to RBC-Ukraine.

    "The decision to replace the communist symbols in buildings of communal property," - said Alexander Vovchenko initiator solution.

    In accordance with the procedure involves the complete replacement of the entire communist symbols until 30 March 2016.

    As explained in the press service of the city authorities, this decision of the Department of communal property KSCA instructed to June 28, 2015 to list buildings of communal property, on which the communist symbols and graphics make its dismantling.

    In turn, the balance-mentioned buildings commissioned to execute measures to dismantle communist symbols to August 24, 2015, and before March 31, 2016 - set characters instead dismantled communism state symbols of Ukraine. Continue reading.

    Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:Держава не дає грошей на будівництво "Стіни" - завод імені Фрунзе
    The state gives money for construction of the "Wall" - Plant named after Frunze
    Thursday, May 14, 2015, 13:59

    The "Wall" at the border between Kharkiv region and Russia is implemented by private initiative, the producer fences.

    This writes the " Interfax-Ukraine ", referring to the press service of the plant.

    It is noted that construction of the fence on the border of Ukraine and Russia is still entirely by private initiative.

    Kharkiv "Frunze plant" that has produced more than 4 km duties within the state government order of "The Wall" to strengthen the Ukrainian-Russian border, decided to allocate their own funds to start work on the installation fence "- said the press service.

    "Border guards have not yet received targeted money for the work, and the beginning of the year to decide to install a fence or not, when and by what means. So at some point we decided to allocate funds for starting work, the guards for their part have attracted volunteers" - said Chairman of the Board of JSC "Zavod im. Frunze" Alexander Vasilenko.

    According to him, to date has installed more than 360 m fence and prepared to install another 100 m. Continue reading.

    ZN via Google Translate wrote:[bРада ввела новый вид депозитов без возможности досрочного снятия][/b]
    Parliament introduced a new type of deposits without the possibility of early withdrawal
    May 14 at 14:55

    At the same time, introduced the possibility for investors to choose the service term deposit with the prescribed conditions under which collect funds on the term deposit can be.

    Verkhovna Rada adopted the law amending the conditions for the return of term deposits (the bill №1195), in which depositors may not require banks early withdrawal of term deposits. The head of the profile of the subcommittee and the author of the bill Rizanenko Paul explained that the new document divides the term deposits of two types: term and term with the possibility of early repayment. The scheme return of deposits on demand remain unchanged - investors are entitled to receive them on demand. The document, among other things, amends the Civil Code, providing that under the bank term deposit bank is obliged to give it, and interest thereon to the expiration date specified in the contract of bank deposit. Exceptions should be prescribed in the document term deposit with the possibility of early withdrawal. The adoption of the bill in the first reading at the beginning of April this year, welcomed the commercial banks and the NBU, which has repeatedly complained that the current legislative framework almost equates term deposits to demand deposits, reducing the stability of the banking system in crisis. The law also amends the Civil Code of Ukraine and the Law "On securities and stock market", according to which the Bank will be able to klientі deposits and accrued interest on fixed-term contracts only bank at the end of the contract period. Continue reading.

    ZN via Google Translate wrote:Голосовавшим за "диктаторские законы" запретили быть ректорами вузов
    Vote for "dictatorial law" be banned from university rectors
    May 14 at 14:55

    The ban was a rector covers corruption, persons subject to lustration, and vote for the "dictatorial law."

    Verkhovna Rada amended the law "On Higher Education." The bill №2599-1 generally supported the 226 deputies. The law establishes clear criteria for candidates for the post of university rectors or acting head of the higher education institutions. In particular, the rector can not be persons convicted of corruption offenses during the past year. In addition, the post of rector can not hold a person subject to lustration, in accordance with paragraph 3 of Article 1 of the Law "On the cleansing power" . In discussing the bill with an amendment to vote chapter head of the faction "Block Poroshenko" Yuriy Lutsenko, "the Rector should be a person who did not vote for the dictatorial laws of January 16th . " All the presidents who do not meet the new standards, to be dismissed within two weeks after the entry into force of this law. Continue reading.

    UNIAN wrote:ATO: Militants using OSCE markings to cover movement in Donbas conflict zone
    14.05.2015 | 15:01

    Russian-backed militants are using OSCE markings to cover their movement along the demarcation line in the Donbas conflict zone, National Security and Defense Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said at a briefing in Kyiv on Thursday, according to an UNIAN correspondent.

    "According to intelligence reports, the militants are violating international agreements and rules of warfare and using the OSCE markings for free movement and [conducting] reconnaissance along the demarcation line," Lysenko said.

    "It is worth noting that the members of the armed groups are moving in cars that are not used by the representatives of the OSCE special monitoring mission," he said.

    "In addition, the routes of the militants do not coincide with the routes of movement of the [real] OSCE observers," Lysenko said. Continue reading.
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    Post  whir on Thu May 14, 2015 3:28 pm

    @VeraVanHorne wrote:Kiev: New restaurant "Punisher" promises grilled rebels and has space, designated for slaves.
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    Yesterday, by US Embassy in Kiev:
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 3:41 pm

    LOL... it looks like 99% of the job of kiev nulandnazi pairlament in Ukraine , is to find new ways how to express their hate to Russia ..is as many creative ways possible.. no matter how big or small.. or ridiculous it looks..  lol1

    So now the Kiev parliament have created a new law ,to rename the airport of Crimea
    to a TATAR name and plans to rename many other places in crimea with tatar names.. lol1
    So basically their hopes is that the measure could help somehow instigate a movement in Crimea by Tatars ,to de Rusophy Crimea and turn it into a Tatar land... but also is done to try to encourage tatars to side with kiev in the destabilization of Crimea..  Wink


    So the entire day of kiev parliament is 99% aimed at throwing rocks at Putin and Russia and the other 1% in focusing how to steal more money from the west.  I will not be surprised The RADA parliament hires a witchcraft and Africans experts in voodoomagic with the photo of Putin to curse him..in hopes he experience an accident and die.. or get terminal cancer.. lol1

    The same things goes for NATO.. they are almost every day releasing reports ,with the words
    "Russia aggression" + Ukraine , but this one is much more well evil .. NATO powers are 24 hours a day on a major Propaganda campaign to brainwash Europeans and Americans ,to the idea that Russia is threatening the world peace.. when they are the ones doing it..  They blame
    the violence in Ukraine to Russia and the shelling by kiev criminals on Donetsk.. is Russia fault..
    if kiev criminals move their tanks inside the Rebels zones violating the minsk agreement.. is Russia fault.. and so and so.. NATO is even complaining of Russia victory day parade..as a hostile event to Europe..  Shocked  in short the propaganda running through the mouths of NATO and Kiev is mind blowing , is beyond ridiculous..  

    Definitevely NATO is a terrorist criminal organization and it needs to be disbanded or they
    will provoke a war with Russia..any time.. They are at war with Syria..and they claim RUssia is the problem.. for not allowing them to bomb it.. they distroying IRAQ too.. they want war with IRAN.. and blaming Russia for protecting them.. they provoking a war with RUssia with Ukraine.. they provoking a war in Macedonia to sabotage Russia pipeline.. and so and so.. they threatening Venezuela.. they threatening China.. and threathening any European Nation that do not support more sanctions on Russia..

    Is like the world is hostage of a criminal terrorist organization.. the anglozionist powers..and the worse thing of all is that people is not aware of it.. it will be similar to a school being infiltrated by terrorist armed with bombs.. and no one sounds the alarm.. people see them.. but just continue doing their stuff.. We are more closer than ever ,since the cuban missile crisis to a world war ,that could escalate in not time in nuclear war.. and no protest at all in Europe or America.. all is good there.. people enjoying life.. Neutral  but suddenly Pussy Riot are arrested for performing a hostile concert in a church..and it becomes a world event..   Is like amazing the zombie state mentality of the citizens of all NATO countries..  Neutral    Is simply mind blowing .. the total disconnection of citizens of NATO countries with the very dangerous times we are.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 14, 2015 4:00 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Nearly 7,000 civilians murdered by the Kiev junta's indiscriminate criminal shelling. Denying Donbas people's request for Russian peacekeepers ultimately sealed the fate of these innocents. Would Obama have allowed something like this to happen to ethnic Americans on America's border? That's the million dollar question. But I would wager not. The American people would have never stood for it.

    If I were a Russian citizen, I'd organize a demonstration outside the Kremlin, asking Putin to provide military aid to Donbas, not regular soldiers, but arms. As Churchill once said, we have the men, just give us the arms and we'll do the job. By arms I mean good armor piercing bullets, artillery, Kornet and Metis M anti tank missiles, counter artillery radars would be enough, don't need jets, helicopters, tanks.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ukraine-president-says-almost-7-000-civilians-killed-in-war-1.2364888

    I agree with you.

    I think Russians have become far too lazy and complacent. The media here wishes ill upon Russians. Many people view Russians should be killed. And to top it all off, in Ukraine, they actually kill and threaten Russians on a day to day basis, and or people who they deem Russian. USA and Canadian government has allowed this to happen and has even encouraged it. So why are Russians willing to step back and let this happen to their ethnic brothers/sisters? I imagine that eventually, after the eastern people are snuffed off, it will be Russians in their own territory next. Do these people really want a full on war within their own territory before they will actually act? It would be in their best interests if they were open about training and arming rebels in eastern Ukraine, and started to help others who wanted to fight against Kiev (which is something that does exist currently). Sitting around will just have more people grow disdain for them.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu May 14, 2015 4:04 pm

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    @VeraVanHorne wrote:Kiev: New restaurant "Punisher" promises grilled rebels and has space, designated  for slaves.
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    TBH, I think that's more an attempt at satire than anything else, or attention-seeking.

    Bad taste though.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm

    yesterday Poroshenko was saying will take the Airport and violate misnk agreement..
    Today Poroshenko is back.. saying..  
    Kiev to Fight Against 'Russian Aggression' 'Until Last Drop of Blood'

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150514/1022137230.html

    So Porkyshenko is threatening with war every day..  This have to be the reason
    Kerry went to Sochi smiling.. To give the impression to Putin ,that they have nothing to do
    with the new hostilities of kiev.. and distance from the war the Pentagon is pushing kiev to start.

    1)So we have Kiev parliament threatening Russia every day.. check..
    2)Poroshenko threatening Russia with war every day.. check..
    3)Yatsenut declaring something really stupid every day.. check
    4)the kievNazis breaking the cease of fire every day,and trying again to capture cities.. check..
    5)NATO accusing Russia ,Russia and Russia of aggression against Ukraine.. repeating again and again and again every day how Evil is Russia and what they did..how they dare..to defend themselves..?

    Is like a very well organized Criminal Organization , flooding the world media with "Russian agression ,Russian agression and RUssian agression"  trying to brainwash society with the demonization of Russia..and the reason they do this is brainwashing people to think is true..and to justify NATO provocations on Russia and militarization of Russia borders, For the Isolation of Russia and to get all Europeans /americans and NATO countries citizens on the same side of NATO against Russia and to prepare the Europeans and americans from now.. that whenever major violence start between NATO and Russia.. or  Ukraine vs Russia.. to remember that it Russia fault.. so to not protest against NATO.. because really , is Russia the aggressor. What happens is ,Public Opinion is extremely important before any war start . it can be the difference
    between a war happening or not..  remember the Syria war vs NATO warships..how Obama retreated there. because if you don't have the support of people for your actions,and start a war ,you could end with a revolution at the first major casualties of your soldiers..  So NATO is brainwashing Europeans and Americans every day ,to make sure.. that no matter what happens in the future..or which war start.. or which new malasyan plane shut down. that it will be Putin
    Fault. and RUssian agression.  Rolling Eyes and that NATO countries most remain United against Russia.

    So the magical words are Russia=Agression..  NATO = Security and protection .. remember those magical words.. you will see their attempts to brainwash society by the repetition of such
    flawed logic every day.  THis later will be copied and repeated more by the western media..
    i will show you how evil is this propaganda tactics. .

    Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control


    explains that repetition is an integral part of brainwashing techniques,
    because connections between neurons become stronger when exposed to incoming signals of frequency and intensity... people in their teenage years and early twenties are more susceptible to (manipulation of belief).

    The repetition techniques can influence people mind.. can be used constructively or destructively..

    Now everyone understand why .. the NulandNazis repeats and repeats and repeats..
    "Slava Ukraine.". "Glory to Heros".. "Kill Russians.". a million of times.. and even children in schools in Ukraine are shown songs about killing Russians. The more they repeat it ,the more they believe it.. This is the DeRusophication of Ukraine at it best.. Is pure crime what the American government is doing Ukraine.. They are literary training a Nation for its own auto destruction. training ukraine to fight RUssia to the last blood as Poroshenko is now saying.

    But i think they are going to fail.. they will not be able to control Ukraine for another year..
    once their economy collapse and Ukrainians feel hungry..and see how they have no future
    being a puppet country of the americans.

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