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    Post  Werewolf Wed May 06, 2015 8:06 am

    Erk wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Aircraft got surgically assassinated by an jet fighter with an fighter aircraft gun.

    I doubt that, if it was a fighter jet it would have to be an air to air missile of some sort to catch up with MH17 being so high and traveling so fast, either that or it wasn't an Su-25.


    Says who?

    Su-25 can easily climb 10km altitude and to hit something unmaneuverable and as large as a passanger jet is easy for any pilot.

    MH17 was flying at 975kmh think about that for a minute.


    So what?

    Su-25 flies 1000km/h.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su25k/lth/

    Maximum flight speed at sea level (without external ordnance and stores), km/h 950
    Max Mach (without external ordnance and stores) 0.82

    Mach 0.82 is 1000 km/h, the cannon fire is undoubtful, it was proven with enough holes through the entire cockpit and even left wing.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed May 06, 2015 8:12 am

    Erk wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Aircraft got surgically assassinated by an jet fighter with an fighter aircraft gun.

    I doubt that, if it was a fighter jet it would have to be an air to air missile of some sort to catch up with MH17 being so high and traveling so fast, either that or it wasn't an Su-25.


    Says who?

    Su-25 can easily climb 10km altitude and to hit something unmaneuverable and as large as a passanger jet is easy for any pilot.

    MH17 was flying at 975kmh think about that for a minute.


    It doesn't matter really.. the plane was flying in a straight line and can be intercepted if you know the flight path ,which was provided by kiev.. the airforce all they need to do is be earlier ,where the plane is supposed to flight and start shooting the plane. and according to wikipedia wrong info.. Su-25 can easily fight into 12,000 meters too.. according to pilots of the plane for a brief time.. no problem.. Russian radars also traced planes chasing the MH17 before it collapse and eye witness too ,saw military planes near the malasyan plane.
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    Post  auslander Wed May 06, 2015 8:48 am

    GarryB wrote:Hehehehehe.... it is always good when idiots acting the goat get a good dressing down auslander... but they don't always take it well when they get their just deserts...

    Don't be too hard on the American soldiers everyone... it is not too different from any other young man in a foreign country... except often it is groups of young men getting together that is the real cause of the problem and nothing to do with country of origin.

    Odds are these guys could be the only members of their small town to leave their state and see the world... different customs and languages... culture clashes... will surprise and confuse them.

    Some think they are taking on the world police role and are under appreciated by the countries they occupy... of course many are going to come across as pricks.... they have yet to learn their place in the world.

    The dress down was calmly delivered without a raised voice, which I have found over my few moons of service to be the best way to do such things. There was also not a single obscenity from either me or my lass during the dual dressings. Neither of us has ever heard the other swear at any rate. The shock to the young sailors was the fact that two people understood what they said and issued the dressings in perfect English and mine was MilSpec perfect. They did apologize profusely and two had the good graces to blush, as in crimson.

    One does have to take with a grain of salt some of the antics of the young boys who are generally as you stated in respect to small town or city America. Still, anything that crosses a certain point must be addressed, not only for respect of the locals but for unit cohesion and discipline. That is where the NCO cadre come in and unfortunately on the last few port calls by US ships the NCO cadre was not generally around the groups of young sailors wandering around and surprisingly the officers on leave seemed to pay not much attention to the sailors. None, by the way, were in uniform, which I think is a mistake.
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    Post  max steel Wed May 06, 2015 9:14 am

    Forget Tanks. Russia’s Ruble Is Conquering Eastern Ukraine Cool


    Russia’s ruble is conquering new territory across the breakaway republics.In Donetsk, the conflict zone’s biggest city, supermarkets have opened ruble-only checkout counters to serve the fighters in camouflage lining up along pensioners. Bus and tram tickets come with a conversion from Ukraine’s hryvnia to the Russian currency. Gas-station workers are paid in rubles because that’s what their rebel customers use to fuel their armored jeeps.

    “There are no problems in shops, they all accept rubles,” said Natalya, 36, a hairdresser buying groceries for her parents, who declined to give her surname for fear of reprisals. “They don’t always have small change, but they can give you chewing gum or a cigarette lighter instead.”

    The ruble’s creeping advance shows how the troubled regions are slipping further from the government’s grasp, even as a peace accord brokered by Germany, France and Russia calls for the nation of more than 40 million to remain whole. Separatist officials haven’t yet made their currency plans clear.

    The precedent in ex-Soviet countries from Georgia to Moldova shows that similar shifts can help entrench pro-Russian insurgents.

    “The increasing use of the ruble is yet another sign Russia’s going to keep de facto sovereignty over the territory it and the separatists control,” said Cliff Kupchan, Eurasia Group chairman in New York. “If the sides implement the latest truce, which is unlikely, perhaps both the hryvnia and the ruble will be used. If not, it will be all ruble.”

    Insurgent Rubles

    Georgia’s breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, where Russia has backed separatists for years, use the ruble as their main currency. Moldova’s rebel Transnistria enclave created its own ruble after rising up against the national government with help from Russian forces as the Soviet Union crumbled. Russia introduced the ruble in Crimea shortly after annexing the Black Sea peninsula from Ukraine last March.
    Ukraine is the one place in the world where the ruble’s 46 percent plunge against the dollar in 2014 didn’t make it any less attractive, considering a 48 percent drop in the hryvnia, the world’s worst performer for the last two years. The Russian currency has staged a partial recovery in 2015, with April its best month on record. It advanced 1.9 percent on Tuesday.

    Crimea Model

    And the ruble has been welcomed in Donetsk, where most shops and businesses now accept it. Hryvnias are no longer available from cash machines in rebel-held territory, forcing locals to go to other parts of Ukraine to withdraw money.
    The dearth of Ukrainian currency, exacerbated by travel curbs imposed by the government in Kiev, is one reason a new currency regime is needed, according to Andrei Purgin, a leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. Rubles also help with the increasing demand for Russian goods, he said.

    “We see Russian products replacing Ukrainian ones in shops in Donetsk,” Purgin said in an interview. “But the hryvnia won’t disappear completely because of the regional ties. People still go back and forth.”
    Alexander Kofman, the DPR’s foreign minister, disagrees. He says the ruble is replacing the hryvnia and backs setting a timetable for a full switch, like in Crimea.

    Russia’s central bank, which facilitated that transition, declined to answer e-mailed questions on the ruble’s rise in eastern Ukraine.
    ‘Jealousy, Rage’

    In another show of faith in the Russian currency, the rebels started paying pensions in rubles to some Donetsk residents after the war cut off funds from the government. The cash comes from “external tranches,” the DPR’s press service said, declining to elaborate further on its origins.

    “I don’t care that it’s in rubles,” said 67-year-old Fedor, who queued for five hours to get his money and refused to give his last name. “We haven’t received any money for 10 months, so we’re glad to get it in any currency.”

    In the other rebel region, the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, 85 percent of payments are made in rubles, with the hryvnia accounting for 12 percent and the dollar making up the rest, Russia’s state-owned TASS news service reported Monday, citing Igor Plotnitskiy, the LPR’s leader.
    Ukraine’s central bank says the hryvnia is the country’s only legal tender. And while rubles are widely accepted, and U.S. dollars are hoarded as the economy crumbles, the national currency still dominates in Donetsk for now.

    “When I bought something with rubles in a small store, three cashiers ran over to look because they’d never seen them before,” said Dina Kopsova, 31, whose husband works in Russia. “When I’m in the supermarket, other shoppers look at me with either jealousy or rage because I’m alone in the ruble queue.”

    Oleksandr Ilyin, who owns a photo-printing shop, estimates only one in 10 Donetsk residents uses rubles, mainly pensioners.
    Nevertheless, the appetite for rubles is growing, even if it’s hard for people like Natalya, the hairdresser, to adjust. “It’s taking me a while to get used to this money -- the notes are like candy-bar wrappers to me,” she said. “But the older people are very happy.”


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-04/forget-tanks-it-s-russia-s-ruble-that-s-conquering-east-ukraine
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed May 06, 2015 9:18 am

    Probably "proof" of Putin's "aggression" in Ukraina lol1
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    Post  max steel Wed May 06, 2015 9:29 am

    BTW did Russia return Ukraine their ships back which were seized during crimea reunification ?
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    Post  Erk Wed May 06, 2015 9:41 am

    max steel wrote:BTW did Russia return Ukraine their ships back which were  seized during crimea reunification ?

    I think they were going to, but changed their minds after Kiev started shelling Donbass. There were also a lot of Ukrainian fighter jets in Crimea, don't know what happened to those.

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    Post  Khepesh Wed May 06, 2015 9:53 am

    About MH17. I didn't find this article on Cassad mentioned here yet, but I may have missed it. Very detailed analysis by Rozhin using photos from Dutch journalist to put forward the theory that SU-25 shot down MH17. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2077046.html To me it is ver suspicious that while we knew everything possible to know about the Germanwings disaster within hardly more than 7 days after it crashed, we have nothing about MH17 except an very anodyne preliminary report that essentially says it crashed due to external forces, wow, such deduction and analysis, such genius....

    Silence about anything, no CVR or FDR data, no autopsy report on pilots, particulary co-pilot whose seat and body, by the Cassad article, seem to have 30mm cannon fire injuries. There is no real reason for this report to have taken so long, major and very complicated investigations into other crashes do not take this long when all the parts are avalable. MH17 is not at bottom of ocean, middle of a jungle or on top of a mountain. I think they know exactly what happen and if it showed any conclusive evidence of rebel or Russian involvement I am certain that evidence would have been all over the place many months ago, but silence...
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    Post  max steel Wed May 06, 2015 10:28 am

    Kiev deprives WWII veterans of financial aid ahead of V-Day — opposition lawmaker


    http://tass.ru/en/world/793098
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    Post  max steel Wed May 06, 2015 10:37 am


    Poland’s president signs law on establishing Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military brigade Neutral


    http://tass.ru/en/world/792931


    The resolution will come into force two weeks after it is published, which will allow Komorowski to ratify the relevant agreement.
    Talks on creating a large Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent had been held since 2007. The defense ministers from the three countries signed the agreement on its establishment in September 2014.
    The brigade will be formed as part of the European Union’s combat groups with an aim to participate in operations under the UN, NATO and EU aegis. The manpower and military hardware assigned by the three countries to the military contingent will stay at the places of their permanent location and will be subordinated to the brigade’s command during exercises and the accomplishment of missions.
    At present, only the Polish part of the command consisting of 50 officers and a Polish battalion 250 men strong are staying at the brigade’s headquarters in Lublin, Poland. The Ukrainian and Lithuanian servicemen are expected to join them soon.
    The brigade’s first military exercises are scheduled for the autumn of this year.
    The Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent is expected to reach its full combat readiness in two years and have a strength of up to 4,500 servicemen.
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    Post  auslander Wed May 06, 2015 11:01 am

    Erk wrote:
    max steel wrote:BTW did Russia return Ukraine their ships back which were  seized during crimea reunification ?

    I think they were going to, but changed their minds after Kiev started shelling Donbass. There were also a lot of Ukrainian fighter jets in Crimea, don't know what happened to those.


    All ships that Ukraine Navy wanted they got. Three were in such bad shape they broke down right outside of the harbor breakwaters and were towed back in and abandoned by the Ukr. Navy. The last of the abandoned and derelict ships, numbering 10 or so in total in Sevastopol, are in the bone yard at Inkerman as we speak. Two sank at quayside while they waited to be cut up. We have some photos of them from early March, I'll see if I can get them from She Who Will Be Obeyed.

    All airframes from Ukr. Air Force were repatriated to Ukraine, most via rail as they could not fly and did not fly for years. The few that could fly, numbering 5 if memory serves including two trainers, were allowed to fly to Ukraine with Ukraine pilots, unarmed and escorted out of RF airspace by RF aircraft. The rail transport involved removing wings and integral weapons at the bases and the parts were transported to railheads for loading and transport.

    The hundreds of tanks and other AFV's, trucks, antiaircraft missile systems, Grad systems, arty etc. were in pretty rough condition. Most of the tanks had not moved in well over 15 years and had to be towed to the railheads for transport. The majority of tanks and AFV's had to be put on flatcars by crane. When things deteriorated in Novorossiya the repatriations came to a halt, but by that time the majority of the equipment was already repatriated.

    All of this transport and preparation for transport was done at RF expense, as is the cost of cutting up what was absolute junque littering the countryside or Ukra. konzerns.
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    Post  gregoire Wed May 06, 2015 1:24 pm

    About the MH17.

    The news about the shot down came in less then 30 minutes from the ukrain side claiming it must have been the russians. I saw pictures taken immediately after the fact and most bodies were intact (and bloodless), some still strapped to there seats. In short, not ripped apart and no proof of shrapnel wounds (as from a BUK missile). Within a few hours I read the report of the spanish operator. To him it was clear soemthing was about to happen since all personnel was replaced with other people, less qualified in his eyes. All recordings were taken by the SBU or some other autority. He fleed for his life afterwards, nobody heard from him again. The claims surfaced that they were after president putin's plane but he didn't take that route and was not nearly close. In my opinion it was a scaremongering propaganda, 2 stones with one bird attempt. It was again a malaysian plane. Malaysia, the country who has made clear that they want to see a trial for israel's crimes. There are lots of eyewitness reports, among them the filmed crash and explosion, the stench of the bodies (which only happens after days and not minutes, hours) and the apparent spotting of a second smoketrail in the sky, if not the spotting of a fighter jet. Among other things, the parts of the plain were concentrated in a few square kilometers instead of a trail of debris crossing into russia if it had exploded mid air. Within a week a former german pilot dissected the pitctures of the parts of the plane and to him it was clear it was not a BUK. Ukraine provided no evidence same as the US where as the RF did.

    In short and very condensed what I found.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 06, 2015 1:50 pm

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    Supposedly the triumph of "European values" but in actuality 1990s Rwanda values.

    That we have not seen a mass slaughter in the Donbass is all thanks to local resistance supported by Russia.

    Half my family is from western Ukraine and I can no longer treat these people like sane humans. They have
    gone insane based on their own delusions. I don't care how much propaganda you are exposed to, if you
    have a brain you don't act like some savage. Nobody was killing the families of all these ethno-chauvinist
    maggots that they would have a reason to act this way. Nobody was depriving them of anything either. It's
    their own damned fault if Ukraine's economy was shit. Russia blew over $300 billion on it in subsidies since the
    1990s. And this vermin want to kill all Russians.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Wed May 06, 2015 2:11 pm

    Khepesh wrote:About MH17. I didn't find this article on Cassad mentioned here yet, but I may have missed it. Very detailed analysis by Rozhin using photos from Dutch journalist to put forward the theory that SU-25 shot down MH17. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2077046.html  To me it is ver suspicious that while we knew everything possible to know about the Germanwings disaster within hardly more than 7 days after it crashed, we have nothing about MH17 except an very anodyne preliminary report that essentially says it crashed due to external forces, wow, such deduction and analysis, such genius....  

    Silence about anything, no CVR or FDR data, no autopsy report on pilots, particulary co-pilot whose seat and body, by the Cassad article, seem to have 30mm cannon fire injuries. There is no real reason for this report to have taken so long, major and very complicated investigations into other crashes do not take this long when all the parts are avalable. MH17 is not at bottom of ocean, middle of a jungle or on top of a mountain. I think they know exactly what happen and if it showed any conclusive evidence of rebel or Russian involvement I am certain that evidence would have been all over the place many months ago, but silence...

    Absolutely ridiculous Rolling Eyes

    Look at frogfoot's performance envelope- not only it couldn't reach b777's altitude, but could also hardly keep up in the horizontal plane.

    Don't forget the human factor as well, a pilot being ordered to shoot down civilian airliner might freak out and try to defect instead.
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    Post  Regular Wed May 06, 2015 2:26 pm

    I agree. Is SU-25 cockpit hermetic? How would be pilot affected flying at such height?
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed May 06, 2015 2:34 pm

    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=1163

    Video:Germans Don’t Believe Mass Media and Organize Bike Tour in Crimea

    Two German citizens, tired of propaganda in the German media, have decided to visit the “peninsula of terror”. They plan to start their bike tour on May 9th. Listen to the great song they composed to launch the official start of the Crimea Tour 2015.
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    Post  BKP Wed May 06, 2015 2:45 pm

    kvs wrote:Supposedly the triumph of "European values" but in actuality 1990s Rwanda values.

    That we have not seen a mass slaughter in the Donbass is all thanks to local resistance supported by Russia.  

    Half my family is from western Ukraine and I can no longer treat these people like sane humans.   They have
    gone insane based on their own delusions.   I don't care how much propaganda you are exposed to, if you
    have a brain you don't act like some savage.   Nobody was killing the families of all these ethno-chauvinist
    maggots that they would have a reason to act this way.   Nobody was depriving them of anything either.  It's
    their own damned fault if Ukraine's economy was shit.   Russia blew over $300 billion on it in subsidies since the
    1990s.   And this vermin want to kill all Russians.

    I agree man. I'll add that I can't see a single thing that is commendable or inspiring about this neo-Banderist movement or the grotesques that washed up in Kiev along with it. Together they're just a pack of murdering and congenitally lying savages with overtly fascist impulses. It just blows my mind that they have outside support of any kind, and that so many argue that they're the better side in this conflict. Disgusting.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed May 06, 2015 3:03 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:About MH17. I didn't find this article on Cassad mentioned here yet, but I may have missed it. Very detailed analysis by Rozhin using photos from Dutch journalist to put forward the theory that SU-25 shot down MH17. http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2077046.html  To me it is ver suspicious that while we knew everything possible to know about the Germanwings disaster within hardly more than 7 days after it crashed, we have nothing about MH17 except an very anodyne preliminary report that essentially says it crashed due to external forces, wow, such deduction and analysis, such genius....  

    Silence about anything, no CVR or FDR data, no autopsy report on pilots, particulary co-pilot whose seat and body, by the Cassad article, seem to have 30mm cannon fire injuries. There is no real reason for this report to have taken so long, major and very complicated investigations into other crashes do not take this long when all the parts are avalable. MH17 is not at bottom of ocean, middle of a jungle or on top of a mountain. I think they know exactly what happen and if it showed any conclusive evidence of rebel or Russian involvement I am certain that evidence would have been all over the place many months ago, but silence...

    Absolutely ridiculous Rolling Eyes

    Look at frogfoot's performance envelope- not only it couldn't reach b777's altitude, but could also hardly keep up in the horizontal plane.

    Don't forget the human factor as well, a pilot being ordered to shoot down civilian airliner might freak out and try to defect instead.
    Tell Boris Rozhin it is ridiculous as it is his theory. Also, Vladimir Babak's quotes about SU-25 have been cherry picked by ukrops supporters to exclude him admitting the aircraft can get to same altitude as MH17, even higher has been proved. Certainly he says it would be very difficult for SU-25 to shoot down MH17, but he qualifies this by explaining that it would be difficult for a pilot not fully trained and competent. I have not heard him saying that it is impossible in any circumstances. About pilots maybe defecting before shooting down civilian airliner, well, that did not concern Gennady Osipovich when he shot down KAL 007. Personally I have an open mind about what shot down MH17 and have not forgotten the presense of ukrops BUK battery traced to south of Ilovaisk on 16 July. Where were they on 17 July, and what were they doing.
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    Post  whir Wed May 06, 2015 3:17 pm

    The Ministry of Information DNR wrote:Rehearsal for the Victory Parade in Donetsk

    RuptlyTV wrote:V-Day parade will go ahead even if Kiev objects say DPR

    TASS wrote:NATO not obliged to guarantee Ukraine’s security — Latvia’s NATO envoy
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    Latvia’s Ambassador to the Alliance stressed that NATO is not a global policeman, and it has no intention of acting outside the territories of its member-countries

    RIGA, May 6. /TASS/. Ukraine is NATO’s close partner, but the North Atlantic Alliance is not obliged to guarantee the security of this country. NATO’s task is to protect the safety of its member-countries, said Maris Riekstins, Latvia’s Ambassador to the Alliance who is mentioned as one of the republic’s potential presidential candidates.

    "I must draw the line between NATO member-countries and any other country which is not a NATO member. For example, Ukraine. There’s no doubt that what is happening in Ukraine is a tragedy, since soldiers and civilians are dying. People often don’t understand why NATO doesn’t provide military assistance to Ukraine. It’s worth recalling that NATO’s basic task is to protect the security of residents on the territory of the Alliance members. Ukraine is a close partner of NATO, but, no matter how cynical this may sound, guaranteeing Ukraine’s security is not NATO’s duty. NATO is not a global policeman, and it has no intention of acting outside the territories of its member-countries," he said. Continue reading.
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    Post  par far Wed May 06, 2015 3:20 pm

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    Poland’s president signs law on establishing Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military brigade     Neutral


    http://tass.ru/en/world/792931


    The resolution will come into force two weeks after it is published, which will allow Komorowski to ratify the relevant agreement.
    Talks on creating a large Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent had been held since 2007. The defense ministers from the three countries signed the agreement on its establishment in September 2014.
    The brigade will be formed as part of the European Union’s combat groups with an aim to participate in operations under the UN, NATO and EU aegis. The manpower and military hardware assigned by the three countries to the military contingent will stay at the places of their permanent location and will be subordinated to the brigade’s command during exercises and the accomplishment of missions.
    At present, only the Polish part of the command consisting of 50 officers and a Polish battalion 250 men strong are staying at the brigade’s headquarters in Lublin, Poland. The Ukrainian and Lithuanian servicemen are expected to join them soon.
    The brigade’s first military exercises are scheduled for the autumn of this year.
    The Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military contingent is expected to reach its full combat readiness in two years and have a strength of up to 4,500 servicemen.

    Not good, they don't need to do this.
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    Post  whir Wed May 06, 2015 3:22 pm

    And meanwhile in Russia...

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    Post  whir Wed May 06, 2015 3:34 pm

    LiveLeak wrote:Azov Battalion Looting in Shyrokine
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    Post  par far Wed May 06, 2015 4:58 pm

    whir wrote:
    LiveLeak wrote:Azov Battalion Looting in Shyrokine


    It is only matter of time before people turn on these scum ass holes.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed May 06, 2015 6:03 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:RT’s Paula Slier leaves Ukraine following call for her arrest, death threats

    http://rt.com/news/255753-rt-correspondent-death-threats/


    Supposedly the triumph of "European values" but in actuality 1990s Rwanda values.

    That we have not seen a mass slaughter in the Donbass is all thanks to local resistance supported by Russia.  

    Half my family is from western Ukraine and I can no longer treat these people like sane humans.   They have
    gone insane based on their own delusions.   I don't care how much propaganda you are exposed to, if you
    have a brain you don't act like some savage.   Nobody was killing the families of all these ethno-chauvinist
    maggots that they would have a reason to act this way.   Nobody was depriving them of anything either.  It's
    their own damned fault if Ukraine's economy was shit.   Russia blew over $300 billion on it in subsidies since the
    1990s.   And this vermin want to kill all Russians.

    Thank you for sharing, kvs.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed May 06, 2015 6:04 pm

    par far wrote:
    whir wrote:
    LiveLeak wrote:Azov Battalion Looting in Shyrokine


    It is only matter of time before people turn on these scum ass holes.

    I hope.

    I want to read and post, but it's a busy day. See y'all tonight or tomorrow.

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