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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3

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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:17 am

    Vann7 wrote:Americans aparently use cockpit made in Gold to make the cockpit more
    stealthy. So if there is any truth in any of this? does Pak-fa needs a special
    cockpit/glass to evade radar signals like F-22 have?

    It's gold platted in Pak Fa as well.....it was mentioned several years ago
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:14 am

    Just the cockpit canopy and it is very thin layer of gold so you can still see through it.

    It would only be a few dollars worth of gold but radar waves are absorbed and converted to heat by the gold.

    Without this layer radar waves would pass straight through the canopy and reflect off all the cornered surfaces inside and create a large radar return.

    Even the F-16 had this to prevent an enormous RCS from some angles.

    Amusing that it is a case of gold plating being relative cheap and worth the effort for very practical performance reasons... What a Face
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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:41 am

    GarryB wrote:Just the cockpit canopy and it is very thin layer of gold so you can still see through it.

    It would only be a few dollars worth of gold but radar waves are absorbed and converted to heat by the gold.

    Without this layer radar waves would pass straight through the canopy and reflect off all the cornered surfaces inside and create a large radar return.

    Even the F-16 had this to prevent an enormous RCS from some angles.

    Amusing that it is a case of gold plating being relative cheap and worth the effort for very practical performance reasons...  What a Face

    It's not really the heat generation. The gold is a good conductor and it forms a nice Faraday cage that reflects (mirrors) most incident EM radiation in the
    right wavelength range (how thick the coating is follows from the desired scattering and the density of gold allows a rather thin coating).
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    Post  mack8 Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:49 pm

    055 pirat
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    Post  medo Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:12 pm

    Nice paintjob.
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:16 pm

    Nice pics.
    The nose design is so good without the antenna in front of it which can be seen on other pics.

    BTW what is that antenna ? On the Pak Fa it's for tests but I've seen it on some other migs which are in service.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Nice pics.
    The nose design is so good without the antenna in front of it which can be seen on other pics.

    BTW what is that antenna ? On the Pak Fa it's for tests but I've seen it on some other migs which are in service.
    What antenna do you mean? Are you referring to the big pitot tubes that T-50-1 and -2 originally had in the radome?
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:25 pm

    The LEVCON leading edge and wingtips in T-50-5R now have a yellow color that weren't in previous pictures of this same aircraft. Did it receive any antenna/receivers there?
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    Post  medo Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:34 pm

    Good eye. Maybe they test Himalaya ECM complex.
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:38 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Isos wrote:Nice pics.
    The nose design is so good without the antenna in front of it which can be seen on other pics.

    BTW what is that antenna ? On the Pak Fa it's for tests but I've seen it on some other migs which are in service.
    What antenna do you mean? Are you referring to the big pitot tubes that T-50-1 and -2 originally had in the radome?

    [img]PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 28 Sukhoi10[/img]

    This one. It's on the migs too.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:45 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Isos wrote:Nice pics.
    The nose design is so good without the antenna in front of it which can be seen on other pics.

    BTW what is that antenna ? On the Pak Fa it's for tests but I've seen it on some other migs which are in service.
    What antenna do you mean? Are you referring to the big pitot tubes that T-50-1 and -2 originally had in the radome?

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 28 <a href=PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 28 Sukhoi10" />

    This one. It's on the migs too.
    This is the pitot tube, not an antenna.
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    Post  mack8 Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:32 am

    Cool
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:32 am

    That take off picture is amazing! We can see the new engine cowlings, and it seems at least part of the upper wing surface has RAM.
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    Post  AK-Rex Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:08 pm

    During tests, Sukhoi T-50 PAKFA had a rate of climb of about 384m/s. At this rate, the PAKFA can scale Mt. Everest in mere 23 seconds, which is perhaps the fastest by any fighter jet!

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    Post  nemrod Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:17 pm


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/incredible-graphic-shows-firepower-russias-012300270.html



    Business Insider By Jeremy Bender
    February 16, 2016 8:23 PM

    As the US continues to push ahead with the development of its fifth-generation fighter the F-35, Russia has been hammering away at its own next-generation aircraft.

    The PAK FA, also known as the T-50, is Russia's answer to America's F-35 and China's J-20. Moscow envisions their fighter to carry out long-range strikes, intelligently target ground targets, and destroy enemy aircraft all the while stealth.

    To accomplish those goals, the PAK FA will come armed with an extensive set of armaments. Below is an infographic by Russia-based designer Anton Egorov depicting the PAK FA's weapons:

    Any specifications for the PAK FA are currently open to a number of disclaimers. Firstly, there is no guarantee that what Moscow is announcing for the aircraft are accurate as the plane will likely not be ready for combat until somewhere between 2018 and 2020.

    Secondly, like the F-35, the PAK FA is undergoing its own range of developmental problems that could influence the viability of the aircraft and the weapons that it could carry. For example, some of the problems the aircraft is currently facing are engine performance problems in addition to the airframe having a larger radar cross-section than planned.

    Currently, Russia is planning on purchasing 12 PAK FA down from an initial order of 52 due to problems with the plane, rising cost, and problems facing Russia's economy.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:55 am

    nemrod wrote:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/incredible-graphic-shows-firepower-russias-012300270.html



    Business Insider By Jeremy Bender
    February 16, 2016 8:23 PM

    As the US continues to push ahead with the development of its fifth-generation fighter the F-35, Russia has been hammering away at its own next-generation aircraft.

    The PAK FA, also known as the T-50, is Russia's answer to America's F-35 and China's J-20. Moscow envisions their fighter to carry out long-range strikes, intelligently target ground targets, and destroy enemy aircraft all the while  stealth.

    To accomplish those goals, the PAK FA will come armed with an extensive set of armaments. Below is an infographic by Russia-based designer Anton Egorov depicting the PAK FA's weapons:

    Any specifications for the PAK FA are currently open to a number of disclaimers. Firstly, there is no guarantee that what Moscow is announcing for the aircraft are accurate as the plane will likely not be ready for combat until somewhere between 2018 and 2020.

    Secondly, like the F-35, the PAK FA is undergoing its own range of developmental problems that could influence the viability of the aircraft and the weapons that it could carry. For example, some of the problems the aircraft is currently facing are engine performance problems in addition to the airframe having a larger radar cross-section than planned.

    Currently, Russia is planning on purchasing 12 PAK FA down from an initial order of 52 due to problems with the plane, rising cost, and problems facing Russia's economy.


    BS article from BS news group, nothing new.
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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:23 am

    nemrod wrote:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/incredible-graphic-shows-firepower-russias-012300270.html



    Business Insider By Jeremy Bender
    February 16, 2016 8:23 PM

    As the US continues to push ahead with the development of its fifth-generation fighter the F-35, Russia has been hammering away at its own next-generation aircraft.

    The PAK FA, also known as the T-50, is Russia's answer to America's F-35 and China's J-20. Moscow envisions their fighter to carry out long-range strikes, intelligently target ground targets, and destroy enemy aircraft all the while  stealth.

    To accomplish those goals, the PAK FA will come armed with an extensive set of armaments. Below is an infographic by Russia-based designer Anton Egorov depicting the PAK FA's weapons:

    Any specifications for the PAK FA are currently open to a number of disclaimers. Firstly, there is no guarantee that what Moscow is announcing for the aircraft are accurate as the plane will likely not be ready for combat until somewhere between 2018 and 2020.

    Secondly, like the F-35, the PAK FA is undergoing its own range of developmental problems that could influence the viability of the aircraft and the weapons that it could carry. For example, some of the problems the aircraft is currently facing are engine performance problems in addition to the airframe having a larger radar cross-section than planned.

    Currently, Russia is planning on purchasing 12 PAK FA down from an initial order of 52 due to problems with the plane, rising cost, and problems facing Russia's economy.


    Fantasy fiction from the waste of space western MSM. Engine problems? LOL. The current engine delivers quite nicely and the
    planned and on schedule final version will deliver even more. As for the radar cross-section, there is no f*cking way this reporter
    or any of his hypothetical sources would know if such an issue even existed.

    The T-50 has the best side profile by far. It does not have the stupid billboard sized rudders of the F-22 and the brick shape of the
    F-35. Anyone with a functional brain and eyeballs and see this. And the scatter of EM radiation is all about the cross section.
    Slanted or not.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:44 am

    kvs wrote:
    nemrod wrote:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/incredible-graphic-shows-firepower-russias-012300270.html



    Business Insider By Jeremy Bender
    February 16, 2016 8:23 PM

    As the US continues to push ahead with the development of its fifth-generation fighter the F-35, Russia has been hammering away at its own next-generation aircraft.

    The PAK FA, also known as the T-50, is Russia's answer to America's F-35 and China's J-20. Moscow envisions their fighter to carry out long-range strikes, intelligently target ground targets, and destroy enemy aircraft all the while  stealth.

    To accomplish those goals, the PAK FA will come armed with an extensive set of armaments. Below is an infographic by Russia-based designer Anton Egorov depicting the PAK FA's weapons:

    Any specifications for the PAK FA are currently open to a number of disclaimers. Firstly, there is no guarantee that what Moscow is announcing for the aircraft are accurate as the plane will likely not be ready for combat until somewhere between 2018 and 2020.

    Secondly, like the F-35, the PAK FA is undergoing its own range of developmental problems that could influence the viability of the aircraft and the weapons that it could carry. For example, some of the problems the aircraft is currently facing are engine performance problems in addition to the airframe having a larger radar cross-section than planned.

    Currently, Russia is planning on purchasing 12 PAK FA down from an initial order of 52 due to problems with the plane, rising cost, and problems facing Russia's economy.


    Fantasy fiction from the waste of space western MSM.  Engine problems?  LOL.  The current engine delivers quite nicely and the
    planned and on schedule final version will deliver even more.   As for the radar cross-section, there is no f*cking way this reporter
    or any of his hypothetical sources would know if such an issue even existed.  

    The T-50 has the best side profile by far.   It does not have the stupid billboard sized rudders of the F-22 and the brick shape of the
    F-35.  Anyone with a functional brain and eyeballs and see this.   And the scatter of EM radiation is all about the cross section.
    Slanted or not.

    Don't know why people still cite Yahoo news.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:34 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Don't know why people still cite Yahoo news.

    People post "material" from lots of gibberish/propaganda outlets. There are sites that masquerade as being acceptable sites that should also never be posted, like SouthFront.
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    Post  Berkut Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:50 pm

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 28 0_b5767_fbecc52f_orig
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    Source and more pics of T-50-1, -3 etc here; https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/alex3saaba/

    Bonus, as it is relevant...

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    Post  artjomh Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:35 pm

    inb4 someone posts that dodgy time-to-climb record claim and Berkut facepalms himself into the early grave.
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    Post  Berkut Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:25 pm

    Already posted here, sadly. Gonna ignore it as it is clearly BS and that is that.
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    Post  Zivo Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:04 am

    Berkut wrote:

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 28 0_b576f_4e68014b_orig


    What's with the leading edge? RAM test samples?
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:11 am

    What do you mean?

    I see paint being used to disguise the size and outline of the aircraft... what are you seeing?
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    Post  Zivo Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:26 am

    GarryB wrote:What do you mean?

    I see paint being used to disguise the size and outline of the aircraft... what are you seeing?

    Look at the pink coloration on the leading edge of the nearest wing.

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