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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:34 am

    AK-Rex wrote:
    Head of RuAF: We expect to begin serial production of PAK FA in 2017
    Head of RuAF: PAK FA goes into service in 2017. We'll begin tests of 2 stage (new engine) in 2018.
    Head of RuAF: RuAF expects to get about 50 PAK FA until 2020.
    Head of RuAF: We have been building 11-th T-50 (PAK FA). 11-th PAK FA is the last test a/craft.
    Export version of PAK FA is expected in 2020

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/

    Yeah... so what?

    The thing about planning a project is that you have to be flexible.

    This is a multi billion rouble programme with millions of steps hundreds of thousands of components hundreds of companies and sub contractors in an economic recession and western sanction regime.

    When things change then plans have to change to compensate.

    Changes of plans is not a failure... it is what plans are for... to help manage projects.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:04 pm

    Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA? Every model of Russian AC seems to carry PAK-FA...



    GarryB wrote: Yeah... so what?

    The thing about planning a project is that you have to be flexible.

    This is a multi billion rouble programme with millions of steps hundreds of thousands of components hundreds of companies and sub contractors in an economic recession and western sanction regime.

    When things change then plans have to change to compensate.

    Changes of plans is not a failure... it is what plans are for... to help manage projects.


    You do not get it I can see. When F-35 is delayed by years and years it is normal cosmetic delay. When is shoots only 100 rounds´ series only on ground and when is not raining then basic functionality is achieved. Next update will be expanded.

    When Russia changes anything to original planning that´s a disaster of biblical proportions and Putin is the one to blame Smile
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    Post  max steel Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:10 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA?  Every model of Russian  AC seems to carry PAK-FA...





    I don't believe at all on navalized PAK-FA.

    - Too heavy ! It will suffer from the same fate as the Su 27 : reduced to light AA payload at best.
    - Even US didn't even try to navalize F22
    - Too complex to make his wing mobile
    - Don't believe russian want it, and don't believe india will develop it alone.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:34 pm

    max steel wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA?  Every model of Russian  AC seems to carry PAK-FA...


    I don't believe at all on navalized PAK-FA.

    - Too heavy ! It will suffer from the same fate as the Su 27 : reduced to light AA payload at best.
    - Even US didn't even try to navalize F22
    - Too complex to make his wing mobile
    - Don't believe russian want it, and don't believe india will develop it alone.
    - The naval PAK-FA is for the future supercarrier so it weight isn't going to be that much of an issue. Besides the PAK-FA will have some powerful engines on it too.
    - The US was hit by spending cuts and binned the navalized F-22.
    - I think the engineers know more about the wings than any of us. The greatest issue stems from the L-band radars. But that doesn't rule it out and make it impossible to design folding wings.
    - Why is India even being mentioned?

    Russia will need a new naval fighter in due time and there isn't any alternative, let alone one that can even come close to the PAK-FA in terms of capabilities.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:53 pm

    max steel wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA?  Every model of Russian  AC seems to carry PAK-FA...





    I don't believe at all on navalized PAK-FA.

    - Too heavy ! It will suffer from the same fate as the Su 27 : reduced to light AA payload at best.
    - Even US didn't even try to navalize F22
    - Too complex to make his wing mobile
    - Don't believe russian want it, and don't believe india will develop it alone.

    Su33 is limited in payload not due its own weight but the fact Kuznetsov does not have catapults. F14A which is arguably one of the most successful deck fighters had loaded weight of almost 28t compared to 25t of PAK-FA, F14A was also almost 3t heavier than PAK-FA empty. Super Hornet also has max takeoff weight of around 30t. F35C CATOBAR variant has also 32t max takeoff weight.

    They did not try to navalise F22 coz it would be obscenly expencive to produce almost 1000 of them to arm 11 or 12 carriers also it offers inferior multirole capabilities compared to other platforms.

    You mean to make wings foldable?

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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 Air_pa10

    No need to fold everything, do it like this, similar system is on Su33. F35 has even smaller folding parts.

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    India is planning to make naval variant of LCA and that will at least for some time fill their needs together with MiG29K, for future who knows.

    On other hands i doubt Russians will stick with MiG29K for future carriers, coz it will be basically 40 years old design by then.



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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:13 am

    Anybody heard about navalized PAK-FA? Every model of Russian AC seems to carry PAK-FA...

    Why wouldn't they... it is smaller and lighter than an Su-27(Su-33) but has rather more installed thrust. together with a EM cat they should be able to launch and recover it on a rather small deck... especially with thrust vectoring engines that the Su-33 does not have...

    When Russia changes anything to original planning that´s a disaster of biblical proportions and Putin is the one to blame

    He should have used sarcasm tags... Cool

    I don't believe at all on navalized PAK-FA.

    They have already stated there will be a naval PAK FA.

    - Too heavy ! It will suffer from the same fate as the Su 27 : reduced to light AA payload at best.

    the naval PAK FA will need to be strengthened for carrier use which will make it heavier, but it is already lighter and smaller and with engines of greater power than the Su-33.

    The Su-33 like the Su-27, did not have wet pylons so it couldn't carry external fuel tanks and had basic air to ground capability except perhaps Kh-31 anti ship missiles. If you want to call 350kg AAMs light by the way go ahead but there is not much light about the Su-33s payload capacity.

    It would never carry much more operationally... it was an air defence aircraft not a strike aircraft.

    the strike role would be performed by the 12 Granits under its flight deck.

    - Even US didn't even try to navalize F22

    The USAF and USN don't get on. there is no reason why the F-14 and F-15 were needed and there is no reason why the F-16 and F-18 were needed. The F-4 shows they could both have used the same types, but they didn't... and not for performance or operational reasons either.

    - Too complex to make his wing mobile

    Folding wings are easy... the Su-33 has a folding wing that double folds and a folding tail surface so it fits in the same space a MiG-33 fits with its wing folded...

    - Don't believe russian want it, and don't believe india will develop it alone.

    Then why do you think their carrier makers put models of them on their carrier models?

    What other aircraft will they use instead?

    I remember in the late 1970s and early 1980s when models of what was to become the Kusnetsov were revealed they generally had naval models of the MiG-23, but then that is largely because the MiG-29 and Su-27 were still largely secret and they didn't know they could operate them from small carriers without cats.

    - The naval PAK-FA is for the future supercarrier so it weight isn't going to be that much of an issue. Besides the PAK-FA will have some powerful engines on it too.

    Russia is not going to build a 100K ton super carrier... it will be 60-70K ton at most... similar to existing Kuznetsov in fact, though with nuclear propulsion, EM cats, and no AShMs and more aircraft (including drones).

    The greatest issue stems from the L-band radars. But that doesn't rule it out and make it impossible to design folding wings.

    They have folding radar arrays in the S-300/S-400 families... there is no reason an L band array that extends the length of the wing could not fold too.

    On other hands i doubt Russians will stick with MiG29K for future carriers, coz it will be basically 40 years old design by then.

    The MiG-29K can still be further upgraded but a new light 5th gen aircraft would be nice as a cheaper numbers aircraft that can fill gaps and be exported in enormous numbers to a range of allies in a range of levels of performance.

    For any AA loadout the Su-33 would not need cats to get airborne... both the Su-33 and MiG-29 can get airborne on land in 250m with a normal weapon load and that is without chocks to run up the engines to full power... and with lower power engines on the land based versions. Also the naval aircraft can have the advantage of the vessel pointing into the wind and sailing forward to further add lift. the Ski jump also assists and the addition of thrust vectoring allows a lift component from the engines while using the optimum lift angle of the wings to improve aerodynamic performance without inducing a stall.

    Remember there are three takeoff positions on the K... from the longer takeoff position full fuel and payload for AA mission is possible for the Su-33. For heavier loads with the MiG-29K it can take off with reduced fuel and take more fuel on after take off... and it can also use thrust vectoring to make takeoff easier.

    EM cats will mostly benefit with the use of heavy aircraft like AWACS and tankers... of course the ability to carry the new smaller Brahmos-M would be a benefit too.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:22 am

    Should add that for most missions the land based Su-27 flys with half their fuel tanks empty simply because the extra weight is not needed most of the time.

    With inflight refuelling probe the Su-33 is even better off.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:08 am

    I wonder why PAK-Fs will have 2 seat version? for different tasks? or just like ok Indians use 2 seaters let´s use production capacities and make some more fighters?


    GarryB wrote:

    When Russia changes anything to original planning that´s a disaster of biblical proportions and Putin is the one to blame

    He should have used sarcasm tags...  Cool

    oops I should have add Assad of course and dr Evil Razz



    GarryB wrote: It would never carry much more operationally... it was an air defence aircraft not a strike aircraft.

    the strike role would be performed by the 12 Granits under its flight deck.


    IMHO Russia´s situation AC with fighters is really needed. Strike tasks can be performed by Clubs and drones. fighter would cover fleet , fight attacking US/UK fighters and allow subs to operate without of ASW planes/helos.

    Why Clubs? Russia doe snot have enough ships and unless AC operates with escort of many 22800 ships one Lider might be not enough. Thus smaller and in bigger numbers AC make more sense.



    On other hands i doubt Russians will stick with MiG29K for future carriers, coz it will be basically 40 years old design by then.

    F-18 isn´t same age? Rafale is not much younger


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:49 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    It can be further updated that is not an issue however as platform its aging, unless they make radical modernisation to convert it to an actual 5th gen fighter... which i suppose MiG might do as they are to build light multirole fighter post 2020. and they wont get much money to start with... i assume they will just try with deep modernisation of MiG35 which then might lead to navalised variant. Even tho id rather finally like to see good single engined fighter from them than 15th recycled variation of MiG29.



    Like this MiG proposal?

    A) Evolution of MiG-29  

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 20001

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 20003

    So back to the future then Cool



    http://www.paralay.com/lmfs.html

    and single engine LFMS (izdelye 1.12)

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 174ce5ce7a3d4554794fde22ae48bbcd


    And here is interesting wrt fleet:

    The second contender for the role of light tactical aircraft appeared light fighter "Index of 1.12." This, according to unconfirmed reports, a single-engine plane kitted "product 117" or "product 117S", having a keel, placed vozduhopoglotiteli like F/A-18E/F. Usual combat load (2-driven short-range missiles and 2 — the average), low ESR, supersonic cruising speed (about M = 1.3), the highest thrust-to-weight (1.3 — 1.4), the radius of the act without outboard tanks at the level of the MiG-29 tanks navesnoymi allow this aircraft seriously "snap" not only European aircrafts of this class, but even "compete" wi
    th heavier South American F-22 and F-35.


    The highest thrust-to-weight, super-maneuverability which is justified by the requirements, makes it possible to machine-based version with a small vertical takeoff and landing. Advantages of such a carrier-based fighter becomes apparent if the Su-33 can be based on a ship displacement of 50 — 60 thousand tons, not so long ago made at the expense of Indian customers MiG-29K/KUB this requirement helps reduce up to 28 thousand tonnes, functional lightweight aircraft can be based even prepared to pay tribute to a way helipads corvettes. In VTOL fighter / boarding with the usual load (four controlled air-to-air missiles) the range of about 1000 km, the radius of the act — 340 km.
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    Post  Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:00 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    It can be further updated that is not an issue however as platform its aging, unless they make radical modernisation to convert it to an actual 5th gen fighter... which i suppose MiG might do as they are to build light multirole fighter post 2020. and they wont get much money to start with... i assume they will just try with deep modernisation of MiG35 which then might lead to navalised variant. Even tho id rather finally like to see good single engined fighter from them than 15th recycled variation of MiG29.



    Like this MiG proposal?

    A) Evolution of MiG-29  

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 20001

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 20003

    So back to the future then Cool



    http://www.paralay.com/lmfs.html

    and single engine LFMS (izdelye 1.12)

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 174ce5ce7a3d4554794fde22ae48bbcd


    And here is interesting wrt fleet:

    The second contender for the role of light tactical aircraft appeared light fighter "Index of 1.12." This, according to unconfirmed reports, a single-engine plane kitted "product 117" or "product 117S", having a keel, placed vozduhopoglotiteli like F/A-18E/F. Usual combat load (2-driven short-range missiles and 2 — the average), low ESR, supersonic cruising speed (about M = 1.3), the highest thrust-to-weight (1.3 — 1.4), the radius of the act without outboard tanks at the level of the MiG-29 tanks navesnoymi allow this aircraft seriously "snap" not only European aircrafts of this class, but even "compete" wi
    th heavier South American F-22 and F-35.


    The highest thrust-to-weight, super-maneuverability which is justified by the requirements, makes it possible to machine-based version with a small vertical takeoff and landing. Advantages of such a carrier-based fighter becomes apparent if the Su-33 can be based on a ship displacement of 50 — 60 thousand tons, not so long ago made at the expense of Indian customers MiG-29K/KUB this requirement helps reduce up to 28 thousand tonnes, functional lightweight aircraft can be based even prepared to pay tribute to a way helipads corvettes. In VTOL fighter / boarding with the usual load (four controlled air-to-air missiles) the range of about 1000 km, the radius of the act — 340 km.

    Yeah, something like that, however its more and more likely that LMFS will be based on MiG35 instead of being developed "from the ground" as there is simply no money for anything radical. Tho i would really like to see single engined LMFS as Russia rly lacks low cost single engined multirole fighter, India has same issue atm till they finish Tejas as they are left with only Mirages in that class. Some others belive LMFS will be just downscaled MiG 1.44

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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 PAK-FA-1

    "freshness 2nd category" news:
    MOSCOW, 25 Jan — RIA Novosti. Russian Navy plans to use in the future new Russian aircraft carrier deck version of the Russian fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA project), said Monday on radio "Echo of Moscow" Deputy chief of the Russian Navy armament, rear Admiral Victor bursuc.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141025/1030053844.html


    Off Topic Lads I believe that we all are right in a way Smile

    I mean militarov is right if comparing 2001 Rafale to 1988 MiG 29k, garry and book are correct if you compare newest MiG-29k with same Rafale.

    OK since this is interesting discussion maybe we can move this to MiG-29 thread?

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:18 pm


    Biggest news here is that someone finally posted pic of T50 with weapons bay open, great find Gunship!!! thumbsup
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    Post  Berkut Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:14 pm

    1; It is obviously CGI, not a picture.
    2; It is BS.
    3; There are no pics of open bays on T-50. (other than engine test on KNS + open bay on Su-47)
    4; It is old as fuck.
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    Post  Pinto Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:10 pm

    EXCLUSIVE

    India Looking At 60 FGFAs As Russia Reduces Price, Final Talks On

    By Arming India Correspondent

    NEW DELHI, FEB. 3, 2016: India and Russia are in final negotiations in New Delhi to settle the contributions for the development of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) at a reported $3.7 billion from both sides, Arming India has learnt from diplomatic sources. An early conclusion of the agreement is expected.

    Development costs are to be paid in seven years, starting with an initial payment of $1 billion. The breakthrough follows a price reduction by Russia last month.

    India's contribution for development costs would entitle it to extensive transfer of technology and include delivery of three prototypes. Subsequently, the entire lot of FGFAs for the Indian Air Force (IAF) are intended to be made at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's 'Russia complex' in Nasik, Maharashtra.

    The cost of each series production FGFA is initially pegged at a $225 million apiece, which is about two-and-a-half times the estimated current price of the Su-30MKI, currently India's frontline fighter.
    (thats flyaway i guess without the rest of stuff)

    Sources disclosed that a reluctant IAF has finally been made to come around on the FGFA. But it has reduced its requirement to just 60 fighters, or three squadrons. This is being interpreted as a lack of enthusiasm for the proposed fighter, which is yet to prove true fifth generation capability.

    The initial numbers were pegged around 220, which were later brought down to 120, and now have dwindled to half of even the reduced numbers.

    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA. These 12 aircraft will comprise a trial squadron.

    But Russia is hopeful of persuading India to eventually commit to far more than the initial lot of 60 FGFAs.

    India will have no major contribution to design and development, and the project is being re-modeled on the Su-30MKI lines, wherein India substantially paid for the development cost, paving the way for assembly line production in India under transfer of technology.

    The initial concept of India having a substantial work share in the design and development of the fifth generation fighter in order to boost indigenous capability has been abandoned.

    The rapid headway on the under-development FGFA is in stark contrast to the stalemate in price negotiations on the curtailed order for 36 flyaway French Rafale fighters, which are reportedly stalled at a level of over $11 billion, according to top Indian Defense Ministry sources.

    The FGFA will very significantly enable Russia's military industrial complex to extend its pre-eminence in India by ensuring a follow-on to the Su-30MKI production line.

    Informed observers see this as a shot in the arm for the Russia, which they reckon could impact immediately on French and American interests. A renewal of commitment to Russian aircraft will limit the number of Rafale fighters for India, and also reduce the possibility for Americans to sell a fighter aircraft to India.

    Boeing Company Chairman James McNerney in October 2015 announcing in New Delhi that his company was ready to set up a manufacturing facility for its F/A-18 fighters, which also have a naval variant, in India.

    Lockheed Martin leadership too had in the second half of 2015 made a pitch for selling its F-16 fighters to India, while Swedish Saab made a counter offer to make its Gripen NG fighters.

    The two American aircraft manufacturers and the Swedish firm were competitors in the 2007 Indian tender for 126 medium multi role combat aircraft, which was won by French Dassault Aviation's Rafale fighters. The only close competitor to Rafale was the then Cassidian's Eurofighter Typhoon, which is part of the Airbus Group. Only Eurofighter Typhoon campaign, led by the Germans, has openly stated that it is all over for it in India for the Air Force's need for a combat plane.

    Significantly, the latest development in the FGFA talks between Russia and India also signals that the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will continue to be Russia's major partner in India, and its engagement with emerging Indian private sector in defense production will be marginal.

    Just a month ago, Russia rejected the possibility of trying out an alliance with the private sector Reliance Defence on the production of 200 Ka-226T light utility helicopters for the Indian armed forces by opting for HAL to be the production agency in India.

    http://www.armingindia.com/India%20Looking%20At%2060%20FGFAs%20As%20Russia%20Reduces%20Price,%20Final%20Talks%20On.htm
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    Post  Berkut Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:21 pm

    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA.

    I am not a violent person, but I swear if i have to read this kind of shit just one more time i will punch someone. It is equally retarded as claiming as USAF only getting two F-35's because that is what they bought under LRIP1. For fucks sake.
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    Post  Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:42 pm

    Berkut wrote:
    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA.

    I am not a violent person, but I swear if i have to read this kind of shit just one more time i will punch someone. It is equally retarded as claiming as USAF only getting two F-35's because that is what they bought under LRIP1. For fucks sake.

    Well for now they indeed have commited themself only for 12. What happens after that we can only guess for now. He did not say Russia will order ONLY 12, just depends how you look at the sentence.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:09 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Berkut wrote:
    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA.

    I am not a violent person, but I swear if i have to read this kind of shit just one more time i will punch someone. It is equally retarded as claiming as USAF only getting two F-35's because that is what they bought under LRIP1. For fucks sake.

    Well for now they indeed have commited themself only for 12. What happens after that we can only guess for now. He did not say Russia will order ONLY 12, just depends how you look at the sentence.
    The most sensible thing to do to my mind. Order a batch of what are in effect pre-production prototypes. Learn all you can from them whilst sorting out any problems. Then start ordering volume production units, perhaps with some pre-ordering of the long lead time items that you know are good to go.

    Unlike the crazy F-35 where there seem to be possibly hundreds of pre-production units, many of which, if not all, will have to be retrofitted with mods. Brilliant for Lockheed's profits but not much else.
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    Post  Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Berkut wrote:
    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA.

    I am not a violent person, but I swear if i have to read this kind of shit just one more time i will punch someone. It is equally retarded as claiming as USAF only getting two F-35's because that is what they bought under LRIP1. For fucks sake.

    Well for now they indeed have commited themself only for 12. What happens after that we can only guess for now. He did not say Russia will order ONLY 12, just depends how you look at the sentence.
    The most sensible thing to do to my mind. Order a batch of what are in effect pre-production prototypes. Learn all you can from them whilst sorting out any problems. Then start ordering volume production units, perhaps with some pre-ordering of the long lead time items that you know are good to go.

    Unlike the crazy F-35 where there seem to be possibly hundreds of pre-production units, many of which, if not all, will have to be retrofitted with mods. Brilliant for Lockheed's profits but not much else.

    Well thing with F35 is that there are many countries ordering it and they all want their few first pieces asap, which ends up being couple hundred produced before it actually reaches service adoption stage. And yeah most of them will have to be retrofited.

    I suppose they wanted to start low rate production and test them in field and then apply changes as response from field comes back. Not sure how it will end up being, it might even cause that dozens of F35s from these early batches even get retired very soon.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:33 pm

    Berkut wrote:
    Indeed, the Russian Air Force itself has committed itself to just 12 of these proposed aircraft, known in Russia as PAK-FA.

    I am not a violent person, but I swear if i have to read this kind of shit just one more time i will punch someone. It is equally retarded as claiming as USAF only getting two F-35's because that is what they bought under LRIP1. For fucks sake.

    Same here.

    Also, I would not mind if Indians just gave up so we do not have to listen to this incessant whining anymore.

    Russia will be doing T50 anyway. Indians can get export versions at full price later if they want to.

    60 monkey planes less is nothing compared to some peace and quiet. Those things are bigger PR damage than they are worth the money...
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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 Empty IAF to go for Smaller fleet of FGFA to keep them Lethal

    Post  Pinto Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:17 am

    India and Russia have finally agreed to reduce Research & development (R&D) cost on the development of India’s 5th generation fighter jet based on Russian Pak-Fa which will now be under 4 $ Billion for both countries and has also agreed to India’s demands to allow them to purchase smaller fleet than originally discussed earlier.

    Indian Air Force as per earlier media reports had indicated that it will go for 3 Squadrons of nearly 60 5th generation fighter jet based on Pak-fa down from 120 jets due to the higher unit cost which will be pegged at twice the cost of Sukhoi-30MKI at 220$ million per unit.

    While Russia is sticking to their earlier stand and will not allow Indian Test pilots to fly Pak-fa prototypes in its facility owing to domestic laws which now bar foreign pilots to fly military aircraft in Russian airspace, India instead will get PAK-fa Prototype delivered to India for User evaluation testing by Indian Air Force which will lay foundation for development of FGFA which will be customised as per Indian air force requirements .

    Informed sources speaking to idrw.org confirms that smaller fleet will allow Indian air force to maintain a lethal fleet of FGFA customised as per their needs and allow integration of costly equipments sorted by IAF for FGFA while keeping procurement cost in check.

    Indian Air Force will need nearly 400 new fighter jets in next 10 years due to the retirement of Mig-21 and Mig-27s from its Inventory. IAF recently committed to procure 106 Upgraded Tejas MK-1A along with 36 Rafale fighter jets from France with FGFA deal in the pipeline, India is reaching the halfway mark in replacement of retired fleet.


    http://idrw.org/iaf-to-go-for-smaller-fleet-of-fgfa-to-keep-them-lethal/
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:39 am

    PAK FA news only please...
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    Post  Berkut Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:13 pm

    Thumbs up for mods cleaning up the last few pages. respekt

    T-50-1, 3 feb;

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 182759
    http://russianplanes.net/id182759

    T-50-3, late January, leaving to Akhtubinsk i believe.

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 - Page 27 182495
    http://russianplanes.net/id182495

    If things go well, about 2-3 months left to wait for T-50-6-2... My body is ready.
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    Post  BKP Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:42 pm

    ^ T-50-6-2 will have covered nacelles.?
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:14 am


    Im not sure about the following reports...

    But im wondering about the cockpit of Pak-fa... somewhere i read ,transparent glass does
    not evade radar signals and anything inside the cockpit will be captured by any
    Radars.. Americans aparently use cockpit made in Gold to make the cockpit more
    stealthy. So if there is any truth in any of this? does Pak-fa needs a special
    cockpit/glass to evade radar signals like F-22 have?

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