jhelb wrote:Vann7 wrote:
Any plane of helicopter civilian or military can be integrated configured into S-400 network if desired and allow Russian ground defenses to see low flying objects flying under the radar signature. is a question more about if they need it to do it or not. than if possible.
Russia could benefit from things like this.. for local military bases . USA operate this radars.
to see low flying things beyond military bases radars horizon. And AWAC or drones can do the same.. but cost/performance of an aerostat is better.
Thanks Vann, my vote.
I realize it can be done, in fact the Soviet Union had done some remarkable work on what NATO calls Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System.
My question is has this already been achieved in Russia? For example in the S 400 thread I was asking if the TEL of the S 400 can take cues from AWACS,JSTARS and fire the missiles in case the supporting systems(radars) of the S 400 are destroyed.
You get the picture, right?
That is not rocket science.. is just antenna deployed in the right places to cover any potential
theater of combat that Russia could have. Satellite TV is a like a civilian version of the system you ask. As long you maintain a line of sight communication (not blocked by mountains) or curvature of earth ,then you can have a Air/Land/Sea missile battle command system ,that NATO so much talk about and so Russia have too. The issue here had to be because in the 90s
Russia was bankrupt and lost most of its satellites in space and that lasted for near 20 years.
Satellites are like AWACS that transmit information across very long distances like continents.
But those times are over ,Russia have a full network of satellites since 2011 AGAIN as early soviets had ,and they can send images to Russia in moscow from a plane flying in Africa or portugal. In the Syrian war for example Russian satellites could detect the exact place from where the launch or the chemical attack on Syria Damascus came and the exact time it happened. that is like 5,000km away. Russia could also detect an Israel launch of a ballistic missile towards Syria withing minutes they did it ,Russia reported it.
So yes thats the whole purpose of AWACS to be the eyes of Russian Airforce ,Ground defenses and NAvy from things that are beyond their horizon. When Russia lost its satellites (they need to be replaced every x or y years for new ones) then Russia lost its view beyond Russian borders far from it. but on a local level Russia never lost an integrated command communication with radar integration. Is not rocket science. Any nation can have their radar defenses integrated with AWACS.. you simply could take the radar from an S-400 and mount it on a plane and it will communicate with ground radars what it see. Russia have an integrated network of communication in no way inferior to the NATO one. i will say is even better because Russia can jam their Satellites their awacs (at least Russia claim that) and NATO have yet to proof can jam Russian ones.
Here Russia command center is not displaying still images on their screens.. but LIVE realtime images from all Russia armed forces Air ,Ground and Sea connected ,including S-400 ,S-300 and iskander connected ,smerch ,submarines and drones too.
anything with a radar is connected with Moscow and all radars can receive that information
to expand their view beyond their horizon.That information can be used as targeting for S-400s or any other system. Even live TV is connected in Russia command center
so can talk to any general in the world ,any soldier and see what they see. Look at Syrian war.
Moscow can receive radars images from planes flying over Syria on real time.
there whenever Russia see a need for that. it can't be better than this. In the conflict of Syria ,Russian warships who have S-300s and Russian satellites becomes the eyes of Syrian army on the coast but also RUssian radars on caucasus can see Syria airspace at high altitude using their land radars in RUssia,or low altitude using the Russian airforce flying over Syria.so information for Syria army radars that can use for targeting. As good it can get. it is . IS a Global Radar if you like to call it with camera view and any thing that have a radar or antenna ,planes ,drones, warships ,submarines is connected whenever they think it can be useful to do it. The way i see it is more an Organization ,than a technology feature. But it require technology , since not all nations have satellites or AWACS and modern Radars. NATO have it , Russia too.. India in a limited way and CHina too ,they still do not have full network of navigation radars around the world but they can use the ones they have in combination with the Russian one and have full cover ,still however is not enough because Russian satellites are position to look more at Russia territory and neighboring countries..or any zone their warships will operate. The China sea and Indian sea are not zones that Russia needs to cover. so this means that there are empty spots that Russian radars do not look in the world.. the same is true for NATo.. for example their satellites do not see over the south pole or artic. Why Russia likes the artic so much ,that allows them to launch missiles over there with more confidence that NATO cover of that area from space is very weak.
In Short Russia have a very comparable system than NATO integrated global communications that they so much brag about..but with a much more prettier ,modern and organized center.
And Apparently Russia can create blind spots on NATO system ,through the use of electronic warfare they claim and the same company have said is working on a new system to blind NATO satellites too.
here is a Russian AWACS
here how far Russian radars on land can see (for high flying planes or missiles).. ie.. 10,000km
Russian main radars are Voronezh land stations . They cover all Europe
airspace at high altitude and as far as Africa. and all Asia. All that information is connected
to any warship or combat plane or land defense system like s-400s. Awacs and combat planes and drones expand that view to low flying objects but also enemy radars too locations.
However is not all perfect. Russia early launch warning system of ballistic missiles launched from America are not operating today. But they will be in the next couple of years. This helps to increase the early detection of ICBM launches from US territory by up to 50% more time in some cases. But is not a major biggie ,such system can only be needed in case of a total nuclear war with US. that is very unlikely to ever happen.