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    Post  Berkut on Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:53 pm

    Well, there were quotes around MAKS from Bondarev that the weapon trails has started but no actual footage of him stating that has surfaced. Weapon trails does not necessarily equal weapon releases from weapon bays. So in short; no i dont think they have done any real weapon releases yet, maybe a dummy drop test at best, and even that dunno.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:30 am

    Berkut wrote:We are in 70'th month of flights testing.......

    Thanks for the update

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    Post  max steel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:12 am

    New Air-to-Surface Missiles to Arm Russian PAK FA Fighter Jet
    Images of several types of new air-to-surface missiles designed to arm Russian jets have emerged recently. The missiles are planned to equip Russian aircraft, including the PAK FA.

    The missiles are known as X-59MK2 and X-58USHKE.

    The first projectile is designed to destroy located stationary ground targets. The targeting system is combined: inertial and satellite gps/glonass. A self-targeting optical-electronic device is activated on the last stage of the flight trajectory. The missile flies at an altitude of 50-300 meters. The missile can carry warheads of two types: penetrating and cluster.

    The second missile is equipped with self-directing navigational gear. It can fly three times faster than the speed of sound for a distance of 250 kilometers while carrying a 150-kilogram explosive warhead.

    Both missiles are being tested on board the PAK FA. According to Commander Viktor Bondarev, the T-50 equipped with weapons is showing excellent results.

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    Post  Kyo on Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:51 pm

    max steel wrote:New Air-to-Surface Missiles to Arm Russian PAK FA Fighter Jet
    Images of several types of new air-to-surface missiles designed to arm Russian jets have emerged recently. The missiles are planned to equip Russian aircraft, including the PAK FA.

    The missiles are known as X-59MK2 and X-58USHKE.

    The first projectile is designed to destroy located stationary ground targets. The targeting system is combined: inertial and satellite gps/glonass. A self-targeting optical-electronic device is activated on the last stage of the flight trajectory. The missile flies at an altitude of 50-300 meters. The missile can carry warheads of two types: penetrating and cluster.

    The second missile is equipped with self-directing navigational gear. It can fly three times faster than the speed of sound for a distance of 250 kilometers while carrying a 150-kilogram explosive warhead.

    Both missiles are being tested on board the PAK FA. According to Commander Viktor Bondarev, the T-50 equipped with weapons is showing excellent results.

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    Most probably these missiles will be equipped with same engine and fuel as Kalibr-NK, so they will be long range ones. This is a new teasing against the Pentagon.
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:03 pm

    According to very reputable KnAAZ insider, this is the T-50 building plan up to 2020:

    Long-term plan for the T-50 to 2020 :
    2016 - T-50-9, T-50-10, T-50-11.
    2017 - T-50-12 (static), T-50S-1,2.
    2018 - T-50S-3,4
    2019 - T-50S-5,6,7,8, PMI 1,2.
    2020 - T-50S-9,10,11,12, PMI 3,4.

    Factory has not received yet the documentation for T-50S and PMI.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4618-t-50-a-6/
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    Post  Berkut on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:10 pm

    I recommend to look at his previous similar plan, gives an idea of the delays in T-50 program...
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:21 am

    mack8 wrote:According to very reputable KnAAZ insider, this is the T-50 building plan up to 2020:

    Long-term plan for the T-50 to 2020 :
    2016 - T-50-9, T-50-10, T-50-11.
    2017 - T-50-12 (static),  T-50S-1,2.
    2018 - T-50S-3,4
    2019 - T-50S-5,6,7,8, PMI 1,2.
    2020 - T-50S-9,10,11,12, PMI 3,4.

    Factory has not received yet the documentation for T-50S and PMI.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4618-t-50-a-6/
    I am quite sure T-50S will be the serial production aircraft. But what about PMI?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:41 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:I am quite sure T-50S will be the serial production aircraft. But what about PMI?

    Export....Indian-AF I guess
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    Post  Berkut on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:36 pm

    T-50-5R had its first second first flight.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:19 pm

    Berkut wrote:T-50-5R had its first second first flight.

    Berkut, will T-50/PAK-FA be connected to the RuAF's air defense network? For example, can it provide cues to a nearby S 400 to target an adversary aircraft?

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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:36 pm

    You could have some drones that are receiving reflected waves by aircrafts like f22 and signal to s400. Cheap ones
    Only receivers and transmitters. As a uav they can make maneuvers to escape from missiles.
    Also i suppose that what you say can be maked too. Imagine a whole fleet of pak fa with interconected radars with themselfs and s400
    But is a problem. A delay will appear and that really matter.
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    Post  Kimppis on Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:15 am

    mack8 wrote:According to very reputable KnAAZ insider, this is the T-50 building plan up to 2020:

    Long-term plan for the T-50 to 2020 :
    2016 - T-50-9, T-50-10, T-50-11.
    2017 - T-50-12 (static),  T-50S-1,2.
    2018 - T-50S-3,4
    2019 - T-50S-5,6,7,8, PMI 1,2.
    2020 - T-50S-9,10,11,12, PMI 3,4.

    Factory has not received yet the documentation for T-50S and PMI.

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4618-t-50-a-6/

    Wait... It's confirmed that they're only going to procure 12 aircraft by the end of 2020? I thought the talk about 12 was mistranslation or just the first confirmed order for the first year or two (2016-18, or so). Those "T-50S-5, 6, 7, 8..." are just test aircraft or something, right? Sorry for the stupid questions but wtf...
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:25 am

    Kimppis wrote:Wait... It's confirmed that they're only going to procure 12 aircraft by the end of 2020? I thought the talk about 12 was mistranslation or just the first confirmed order for the first year or two (2016-18, or so). Those "T-50S-5, 6, 7, 8..." are just test aircraft or something, right? Sorry for the stupid questions but wtf...
    "S" stands for "series", though these early machine won't have the definitive configuration because they will still use 117 engines, instead of the izdelye 30, which won't be ready by then.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:56 am

    jhelb wrote:
    Berkut wrote:T-50-5R had its first second first flight.

    Berkut, will T-50/PAK-FA be connected to the RuAF's air defense network? For example, can it provide cues to a nearby S 400 to target an adversary aircraft?


    Any plane of helicopter civilian or military can be integrated configured into S-400 network if desired and allow Russian ground defenses to see low flying objects flying under the radar signature. is a question more about if they need it to do it or not. than if possible.

    Russia could benefit from things like this.. for local military bases . USA operate this radars.

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    to see low flying things beyond military bases radars horizon. And AWAC or drones can do the same.. but cost/performance of an aerostat is better.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:49 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Any plane of helicopter civilian or military can be integrated configured into S-400 network if desired and allow Russian ground defenses to see low flying objects flying under the radar signature. is a question more about if they need it to do it or not. than if possible.

    Russia could benefit from things like this.. for local military bases . USA operate this radars.

    to see low flying things beyond military bases radars horizon. And AWAC or drones can do the same.. but cost/performance of an aerostat is better.

    Thanks Vann, my vote.

    I realize it can be done, in fact the Soviet Union had done some remarkable work on what NATO calls Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System.

    My question is has this already been achieved in Russia? For example in the S 400 thread I was asking if the TEL of the S 400 can take cues  from AWACS,JSTARS and fire the missiles in case the supporting systems(radars) of the S 400 are destroyed.

    You get the picture, right?
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    Post  Kyo on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:17 am

    Berkut wrote:T-50-5R had its first second first flight.

    According to sdelanounas, the T-50-5R's recovery process used nodes from T-50-6, whose production was stopped.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:11 am

    Does anyone know why T-50-6 was slashed to provide parts to rebuild the T-50-5? Instead, wouldn't it be easier to write off T-50-5 and finish T-50-6? The only reason I can think is that T-50-5 has some components that no other prototype, including the newer T-50-6, has, and therefore needed to be rebuilt to continue with the testing.
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    Post  Berkut on Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:03 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    Berkut wrote:T-50-5R had its first second first flight.

    According to sdelanounas, the T-50-5R's recovery process used nodes from T-50-6, whose production was stopped.

    We have known that for a year or so now. From the sound of it T-50-5R fuselage is from T-50-6 (wings, unknown, maybe that too) and some other bits and pieces from -5. So it should be mostly consists of -6 parts, atleast frame wise.
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    Post  ult on Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:24 pm

    T-50-5R

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:05 pm

    ult wrote:T-50-5R
    Thanks for the pics! One question, can anyone confirm that T-50-5R has the cannon installed (or will have it soon)? Look at the shiny metal part close to the levcon, this wasn't present in the other planes.
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    Post  Berkut on Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:46 pm

    That metal section has been on every T-50 ever made. It looks slightly different on the T-50-6's fuselage compared to other since it isn't continues strip of metal there as on previous ones, but other than that it is basically the same. The bit above the LEVCON's has been on every frame and same with the bit around the nozzle.
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    Post  mack8 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:37 pm

    Thanks for the pics Berkut. What are the potentially interesting couple of things about it you mentioned elsewhere if i may ask?
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    Post  Berkut on Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:05 pm

    That was mostly me jumping the gun really. At first i thought the canopy frame is now made of composites because it is dark and not yellow (metal) but it is really just because it is taken from T-50-5 and kept its color. Same with the tails of course. The underside of the wings look somehow different, but it is mostly because of the shadow. I think it might be lacking the metal reinforcements tho.
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:04 pm

    Visible changes on T-50-5R compared to previous borts, from  paralay.com poster.  It has composite fins, different  panelling around gun (also made of composites), modified canopy, white dielectric panelling for the side arrays (maybe indicating they are fitted), but not sure what is the change on the nose though, something about 101KS-V?:

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    Post  Berkut on Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:58 pm

    Nonsense "infographic". The fins are not "composite" they are just taken from T-50-5, camo is clearly the same with the lighter edges etc. Same with the canopy, lifted from T-50-5. The side radar panel could have been pink and it would have made no difference, N036B was fitted to T-50-5 and it is fitted to -5R, nothing new.

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