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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 01, 2015 2:01 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:
    rtech wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    rtech wrote:However i dont understand why it is a bad thing for RF to supply NAF with weapons

    The more the merrier, as far as I'm concerned.

    As for Russian advisors and supplied equipment - they're there but its severely overblown.
    I agree but in terms of supplies like ammo,food etc there RF plays major role.


    There is no definitive proof that RF has supplied ammo to NAF. If that were so, we'd have seen NAF using black tipped armor piercing bullets. We have not seen that. Lugansk manufactures Ukraine's small arms cartridges and Donbas has no shortage of ammo.

    They send them Kornets but no small arms ammo.

    Dude................


    There is no proof that NAF has Kornets. I've never seen NAF vids showing Kornets. They all show Konkurs and Fagots.

    True, expended Kornet tubes and other pieces found in the combat areas got there via other means.

    Not the most logical- from Russia to the seps.

    Good grief.


    Not definitive proof. Ukraine could have sent some men to Syria and retrieved some expended Kornet fragments and tubes from there and brought those back to Ukraine. The only proof is if NAF vids show Kornets.
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    Post  TR1 Fri May 01, 2015 2:09 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:

    Not definitive proof. Ukraine could have sent some men to Syria and retrieved some expended Kornet fragments and tubes from there and brought those back to Ukraine. The only proof is if NAF vids show Kornets.

    Do you honestly believe that?

    *shakes head*.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 01, 2015 2:14 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:

    Not definitive proof. Ukraine could have sent some men to Syria and retrieved some expended Kornet fragments and tubes from there and brought those back to Ukraine. The only proof is if NAF vids show Kornets.

    Do you honestly believe that?

    *shakes head*.


    This is Western law. In a court, Kornet fragments and tubes shown by Ukraine is evidence, not proof. If you have a problem with Western law, the person to talk to is Hammurabi.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 01, 2015 4:03 am

    For the people saying Russia supplies all the weapons to the Rebels in Donetsk. Rolling Eyes

    According to the defense minister spokesman..
    Take a look at the trophies captured by Donetsk forces alone in Devaltsevo.. this does not count
    Lugansk forces captured trophies who also was helping.

    The reported final tally of weapons DPR evacuated amounts to:


    Armored fighting vehicles:
    58 tanks - 15 immediately operable
    104 BMP infantry fighting vehicles - 38 operable
    37 other armored troop transporters - 12 operable

    Transportation vehicles:
    180 trucks - 76 operable
    28 special equipment vehicles - 9 operable
    11 MT-LB armored tracked vehicles  - 4 operable



    Artillery pieces:
    3 GRAD multiple rocket launchers - 2 operable
    14 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers (122mm) - 9 operable
    13 2A65 howitzers (152mm) - 12 operable
    6 D30 howitzers (120mm) - 6 operable
    2 PM-38 mortars (120mm) - 2 operable
    2 2B9 mortars (82mm) - 2 operable
    1 2S9 self-propelled mortar - inoperable

    Anti-tank and anti-aircraft:
    6 ZU 23-2 anti-aircraft automatic cannons (23mm) - 4 operable
    3 MT-12 anti-tank guns (100mm) - 3 operable
    3 9P148 guided anti-tank missile - 3 operable

    These numbers refer only to the equipment evacuated by Donetsk People’s Republic. Forces of the Lugansk People’s Republic likely evacuated a many pieces as well. Also some equipment was destroyed in the fighting. Therefore the equipment losses of Ukraine army at Debaltsevo could be up to a few times higher than the numbers given here.

    I remember that right at the start of the conflict.. The Ukrainian army surrender many of their
    tanks/armored vehicles without a fight.. other simply sells them..and defect to Russia and the Southern Cauldron and lloviansk cauldron and Airports gave lots of tanks and artillery and weapons to the Rebels ,including T-72 tanks.  Like the spokesman told before the main supplier of weapons to Donetsk and Lugansk are the ukie army ,they even captured NATO weapons and a humvee and anti artillery radar and  a drone with their last devalsevo fight.... Cool

    Here is Russian armored vehicles supplied to the rebels.. Rolling Eyes



    oh wait that was an american humvee.. perhaps now USA is arming the rebels.. lol1
    The Russian aggression , what you saw there was humanitarian aid by lovely freedom land . Wink
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 01, 2015 6:00 am

    Maxim Tucker ‏ Apr 29 twitter....still can't post links, so can't post link to photos

    Heavy police/military presence blocks RightSector from Presidential building after Ukraine moves to disarm the group

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    Post  Mr.Comrade Fri May 01, 2015 6:06 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Maxim Tucker ‏ Apr 29 twitter....still can't post links, so can't post link to photos

    Heavy police/military presence blocks RightSector from Presidential building after Ukraine moves to disarm the group


    According to Ukrainian media, this is a Kremlin provocation, along with anything else that happens in the world. Blame Russia first, ask questions later.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 01, 2015 6:22 am

    Mr.Comrade wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Maxim Tucker ‏ Apr 29 twitter....still can't post links, so can't post link to photos

    Heavy police/military presence blocks RightSector from Presidential building after Ukraine moves to disarm the group


    According to Ukrainian media, this is a Kremlin provocation, along with anything else that happens in the world. Blame Russia first, ask questions later.  



    I'm sad that I never learned to speak Russian.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 01, 2015 6:59 am



    This is from last week ..but is surprisingly informative and from nothing
    less than VICE , which have been largely in support of kiev.. but now trying to
    become a little more objective..

    The american rebels in Donbass.



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    Post  auslander Fri May 01, 2015 7:49 am

    Still no contact with the prime source in Gorlovka. Secondary source says more bombardment last night and at dawn local time today.
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    Post  Mr.Comrade Fri May 01, 2015 8:01 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Mr.Comrade wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Maxim Tucker ‏ Apr 29 twitter....still can't post links, so can't post link to photos

    Heavy police/military presence blocks RightSector from Presidential building after Ukraine moves to disarm the group

    According to Ukrainian media, this is a Kremlin provocation, along with anything else that happens in the world. Blame Russia first, ask questions later.  



    I'm sad that I never learned to speak Russian.

    He talks about the confrontation between the right sektor and Poroshenko. The government is now trying to disband them and Yarosh is setting up for a clash. Sharii points out how Ukrainian media is calling this standoff between these two groups as a Kremlin designed provocation. The video shows us that even in situations where Moscow has no influence over, they are still the obes who are blamed by Ukrainian propaganda. 


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    Post  Cyberspec Fri May 01, 2015 8:01 am

    macedonian wrote:Not good:

    Chernobyl fire radiation hazard as 'hot particles' of plutonium go up in smoke



    Trying to shove a square peg into a round hole
    Ukrainian nuclear industry is playing Russian roulette


    Ukraine operates Soviet-design reactors, such as the VVER-1000, whose nuclear fuel has specific qualities that have to be matched exactly in order to avoid safety problems. Whether Westinghouse and the Ukrainian nuclear industry are capable of dealing with this politically-imposed solution is still an open question.

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    Post  Cyberspec Fri May 01, 2015 8:34 am

    Russia extracting natural gas within 100km of Odessa

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    Ukrainian media is reporting that the Russia is using the drilling platforms belonging to the Crimea-based Chernomorneftegaz company (which was nationalized after Crimea became part of the RF) to extract natural gas from continental shelf deposits located within 100km of Odessa. The platforms reportedly enjoy the protection of Russian Navy ships.
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    Post  Erk Fri May 01, 2015 9:07 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Russia extracting natural gas within 100km of Odessa


    Ukrainian media is reporting that the Russia is using the drilling platforms belonging to the Crimea-based Chernomorneftegaz company (which was nationalized after Crimea became part of the RF) to extract natural gas from continental shelf deposits located within 100km of Odessa. The platforms reportedly enjoy the protection of Russian Navy ships.

    Where is the gas ending up? It's not like the Russian mainland is short of gas.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri May 01, 2015 10:12 am

    Crimea and possibly mainland Russia is a good guess...assuming the report is correct
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    Post  Erk Fri May 01, 2015 10:33 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Crimea and possibly mainland Russia is a good guess...assuming the report is correct

    Well Crimea could certainly do with gas from Crimea! thumbsup
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 am

    Erk wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Crimea and possibly mainland Russia is a good guess...assuming the report is correct

    Well Crimea could certainly do with gas from Crimea! thumbsup

    ...as long as the Ukrops don't get it, all is well... russia
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    Post  macedonian Fri May 01, 2015 11:43 am

    Some news from TASS

    Militia leader: Donetsk republic has established itself as state

    The militia leader praised the people of the war-torn region for their diligence and patriotism
    and for being an example of unity, bravery and spiritual strength

    TACC wrote:MOSCOW, May 1. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic has established itself as a state, its leader Alexander Zakharchenko said in his speech on occasion of Labour Day on Friday.

    "Today we are building our young state enthusiastically. Still not everything comes easily, but despite the intention of our enemies to destroy the republic, I want to state firmly - we have established ourselves as a young state, we are developing and we have won!" the Donetsk news agency quoted him as saying.
    continued >>

    Donetsk, Luhansk republics agree on OSCE coordination of Contact Group’s subgroups

    OSCE representatives will become coordinators of the working subgroups of the Minsk Contact Group
    temporarily during the first month of their work

    TACC wrote:MOSCOW, May 1. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics accepted a proposal that the working subgroups of the Contact Group on Ukraine will be coordinated by the OSCE representatives during the first month, a joint statement of the republics’ negotiators said on Friday.

    "We agree that OSCE representatives will become coordinators of the working subgroups of the Minsk Contact Group temporarily during the first month of their work," the statement by Denis Pushilin (DPR) and Vladislav Deinego (LPR) reads.
    continued >>

    And some off topic and humor...real Monty Python stuff:

    Poroshenko: the war will end when Donbas and Crimea are back in Ukraine

    The Ukrainian president stressed that Ukraine's territorial integrity must be priority number one
    TACC wrote:KIEV, April 30. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Thursday the war in Ukraine will over when Donbas and Crimea are back in Ukraine.
    "The war will be over only when Ukraine regains control of Donbas and Crimea. It will take as much time as it takes. The country’s territorial integrity must be priority number one. We will use every ways possible. We will be uncompromising on that matter," he told the Ukrainian STB television channel.
    continued >>
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    Post  kvs Fri May 01, 2015 2:04 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Not good:

    Chernobyl fire radiation hazard as 'hot particles' of plutonium go up in smoke




    Trying to shove a square peg into a round hole
    Ukrainian nuclear industry is playing Russian roulette


    Ukraine operates Soviet-design reactors, such as the VVER-1000, whose nuclear fuel has specific qualities that have to be matched exactly in order to avoid safety problems. Whether Westinghouse and the Ukrainian nuclear industry are capable of dealing with this politically-imposed solution is still an open question.

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    For sure Banderastan can't fix this problem even if it did have very good nuclear engineers in the past. And we see here
    the nature of reality. Westinghouse has to basically reverse engineer the fuel assembly characteristics. Something really
    trivial, right? Not! This is like China getting its hands on the Su-33 engines and still not being able to make proper copies
    after over 15 years. There is a lot of knowledge and process detail involved in something as simple as a lump of processed
    Uranium or MOX fuel. But the average schmuck and politician would have no clue about this.
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    Post  Bolt Fri May 01, 2015 3:02 pm

    In February 2015 there was a rocket attack on Kramatorsk airfield which was used as HQ and an air base at that time. Ukrainians had some casualties: 5 dead, 29 wounded soldiers.
    Unfortunately, there were also civilians killed in the city itself during this attack.

    Some new info surfaced considering the Ukrainian losses: they most likely lost 2 MI-24 helicopters (repairable, but damaged): in the first pic one can see a satellite image of the mentioned airfield, arrow points at those damaged helicopters.

    Second pic shows a tail of one of the helicopters riddled with holes from splinters, the third pic shows the very same helicopter ready to be transported to air factory for repairs, as well as a second helicopter with a whole in its front from a splinter and a puddle of oil beneath it.

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    Original is here: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1280471.html#cutid1
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri May 01, 2015 4:27 pm

    macedonian wrote:

    Poroshenko: the war will end when Donbas and Crimea are back in Ukraine



    The Ukrainian president stressed that Ukraine's territorial integrity must be priority number one
    TACC wrote:KIEV, April 30. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Thursday the war in Ukraine will over when Donbas and Crimea are back in Ukraine.
    "The war will be over only when Ukraine regains control of Donbas and Crimea. It will take as much time as it takes. The country’s territorial integrity must be priority number one. We will use every ways possible. We will be uncompromising on that matter," he told the Ukrainian STB television channel.
    continued >>

    Well, of course, Ukraine "territorial integrity" lies somewhere around Lviv.

    Kyiv, Odessa, Krym, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv... we called that "Novorossia" and "Kievan Rus".
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    Post  macedonian Fri May 01, 2015 4:37 pm

    Well, as expected the Americans aren't giving up, since losses by Ukrainian military mean nothing to them.

    House committee approves $200 million for arming Ukraine

    RT wrote:Citing an anti-Russia policy brief, US lawmakers approved $200 million for providing “lethal weapons of a defensive nature” to the Ukrainian government as part of the $600 billion Pentagon budget proposal for the fiscal year 2016.

    The House Armed Services Committee passed its proposal for the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) with a bipartisan vote of 60 to 2, in what Defense News described as a “marathon” session that ended around 4:30am on Thursday.

    Section 1532 of the 498-page document calls for the US to provide assistance, “including training, equipment, lethal weapons of a defensive nature, logistics support, supplies and services, and sustainment to the military and national security forces of Ukraine” through the end of September 2016.

    In addition to the $200 million allocated for the program, the proposal also authorizes the Pentagon to “accept and retain contributions, including in-kind contributions, from foreign governments.”

    continued @ RT >>

    and a nice rebuff from our people of DNR:

    TACC wrote:...
    "This once again says that the overseas sponsors of Kiev are preparing for a new war and are not planning to act in line with the Minsk-2 [February 12 package of measures on the implementation of the Minsk agreements]," he said in comments to the news.
    ...

    read the whole thing @ TASS >>
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    Post  Werewolf Fri May 01, 2015 4:41 pm

    Well time to deploy MSTA-S and Uragan in mass.
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    Post  macedonian Fri May 01, 2015 4:43 pm

    Kremlin: It’s wrong to say Putin has agreed to deployment peacekeepers in Donbas

    The Russian side has never contested the idea of peacekeepers but Kiev and Donbas should give their consent first

    TACC wrote:MOSCOW, May 1. /TASS/. Kiev’s statements that Russian President Vladimir Putin has allegedly agreed that peacekeepers should take part in resolving the conflict in Donbas are wrong, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday.
    "No, this is not true," Peskov said commenting on Kiev’s statements.

    "The case is that the Russian side has never contested the idea of peacekeepers but neither the Russian side nor the other side guaranteeing the Minsk agreements can agree to this as the conflicting parties - Kiev and Donbas - should give their consent first," he said.

    more >>
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 01, 2015 4:48 pm

    [quote="Cyberspec"]
    macedonian wrote:Not good:

    Chernobyl fire radiation hazard as 'hot particles' of plutonium go up in smoke





    Trying to shove a square peg into a round hole
    Ukrainian nuclear industry is playing Russian roulette


    Ukraine operates Soviet-design reactors, such as the VVER-1000, whose nuclear fuel has specific qualities that have to be matched exactly in order to avoid safety problems. Whether Westinghouse and the Ukrainian nuclear industry are capable of dealing with this politically-imposed solution is still an open question.

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    That's horrifying to me.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 01, 2015 4:49 pm

    Mr.Comrade wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    Mr.Comrade wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Maxim Tucker ‏ Apr 29 twitter....still can't post links, so can't post link to photos

    Heavy police/military presence blocks RightSector from Presidential building after Ukraine moves to disarm the group

    According to Ukrainian media, this is a Kremlin provocation, along with anything else that happens in the world. Blame Russia first, ask questions later.  



    I'm sad that I never learned to speak Russian.

    He talks about the confrontation between the right sektor and Poroshenko. The government is now trying to disband them and Yarosh is setting up for a clash. Sharii points out how Ukrainian media is calling this standoff between these two groups as a Kremlin designed provocation. The video shows us that even in situations where Moscow has no influence over, they are still the obes who are blamed by Ukrainian propaganda. 

    Thank you, Mr. Comrade.

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