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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

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    Post  max steel Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:05 pm

    Bolt wrote:
    Now, now, let's not go that road, OK?

    I've followed this conflict closely enough to say that never have I seen anything that could prove that number of mercs, moreover dead ones.
    I've seen a video of a Brit fighting in Azov regiment, that Swede (Mike?), several Byelorussians, some Georgians. I've heard about Croats too. I've seen a video of a Lithuanian (who was instructing Ukrainians during some training on MOUT). I also know Polish soldiers instructed Ukrainians on how to conduct a first-aid.

    But 1500 dead Poles, Balts and Americans? That is a huge number.

    I can't confirm on numbers but :-

    1)CIA, FBI agents dying for illegal junta in Ukraine : http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/2014_05_19/CIA-FBI-agents-dying-for-illegal-junta-in-Ukraine-8655/

    2) Balkan mercenaries fighting on Kiev’s side in Ukraine : http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/06/source-nearly-200-balkan-mercenaries-fighting-on-kiev-side-ukraine.html

    US private security firm Academi plays the key role in hiring the mercenaries .Most mercenaries come from Croatia, and also Kosovo, including the former members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, who have an experience in armed actions.

    3) Baltic mercenaries fighting in Ukraine . Swedish, Finnish, Baltic and French mercenaries are involved in the conflict : http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/35186/

    4) About 400 elite commandos from a notorious US private security firm, Greystone Limited, the latest renaming of the former private CIA army Blackwater/Academi, are involved in a punitive operation mounted by Ukraine’s junta government against federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine : http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/news/2014_05_11/400-US-commandos-help-Kiev-in-its-military-offensive-in-east-Ukraine-reports-8880/

    5) US pays $8 million a month to have its private armies deployed in Ukraine - British press : http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/2014_04_10/US-pays-8-million-a-month-to-have-its-private-armies-deployed-in-Ukraine-British-press-2344/

    The cowardly way of fighting by the use of "proxy" forces is acknowledged by the fact that obama supports, arms and trains terrorist groups in Syria. The geographical location and the type and composition of the "war by proxy" doctrine varys with the terrain,and political circumstances. This doctrine is undeniable. Mad King George hired Hessians to supress the rebellious colonies in 1781 so it fits a historical pattern of empire decline and futile desperation.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:16 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    auslander wrote: I will speak to the mods on forum after my week's probationary membership is up. Anything I write in a new thread with their permission will be as we saw it and as we knew and know it. I will write nothing that we either did not see or we don't have absolute proof happened and this proof may be from people whom we trust explicitly. Anything we did not witness personally will be verified by minimum two trustworthy witnesses, either civilian or military. There will be things I can not go in to detail about, for instance the securing of Krim Rada in Simferopol, but I will tell you we know almost all the boys who did that operation quite well. Trolls will be ignored, which is the proper way to deal with them. Erudite discussions will be most welcome.

    Time for me will be at a premium for next week, we are storming to get ready for Victory Day events. I am also in process of editing the last chapter of my first book for the umpteenth time and will try to publish by the end of May. I'm happy with most of the chapter but I can't get the level of emotion I want from the final quarter of the chapter, although I am satisfied with the last very few paragraphs. When that one is published I will start work on a book about what happened in Krimu and Novorossiya and another tome.  

    I'm eagerly awaiting to read it.
    One small point though, this isn't mp.net -there's no censorship. Here you can just start a topic and write your stuff...as long as you don't offend anyone.
    People don't get banned for posting anti-Russian opinions like they did for anti-American opinions over at mp.net.
    Yeah...relax, you're free now...

    Laughing

    ^ what Macedonian said,

    and no rush!, i can wait. i am just curious as to how things went on there. also no worries about keeping some things of it discrete. ill keep an eye out for the new thread. good luck with your book! Wink.
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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:36 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    auslander wrote: I will speak to the mods on forum after my week's probationary membership is up. Anything I write in a new thread with their permission will be as we saw it and as we knew and know it. I will write nothing that we either did not see or we don't have absolute proof happened and this proof may be from people whom we trust explicitly. Anything we did not witness personally will be verified by minimum two trustworthy witnesses, either civilian or military. There will be things I can not go in to detail about, for instance the securing of Krim Rada in Simferopol, but I will tell you we know almost all the boys who did that operation quite well. Trolls will be ignored, which is the proper way to deal with them. Erudite discussions will be most welcome.

    Time for me will be at a premium for next week, we are storming to get ready for Victory Day events. I am also in process of editing the last chapter of my first book for the umpteenth time and will try to publish by the end of May. I'm happy with most of the chapter but I can't get the level of emotion I want from the final quarter of the chapter, although I am satisfied with the last very few paragraphs. When that one is published I will start work on a book about what happened in Krimu and Novorossiya and another tome.  

    I'm eagerly awaiting to read it.
    One small point though, this isn't mp.net -there's no censorship. Here you can just start a topic and write your stuff...as long as you don't offend anyone.
    People don't get banned for posting anti-Russian opinions like they did for anti-American opinions over at mp.net.
    Yeah...relax, you're free now...

    Laughing

    I will still discuss with the mods first simply because I don't want any controversy here. I understand that the bovine scatology extant on MPnet is not here and to be quite honest it is quite the refreshing breath of fresh air. As stated I am pressed for time of the moment but I will get something started in the next 24 hours.


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    Post  macedonian Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:44 pm

    auslander wrote:I will still discuss with the mods first simply because I don't want any controversy here. I understand that the bovine scatology extant on MPnet is not here and to be quite honest it is quite the refreshing breath of fresh air. As stated I am pressed for time of the moment but I will get something started in the next 24 hours.

    Sounds great. As I said - can't wait to read a first hand account on what/how happened there.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:45 pm

    The forum has pretty simple rules, no trolling, no insulting and few others and very patient and moderate mods and admins. No one here was ever banned for making discussions so far only trolls like that pakistanairforce, navy troll guy, some swedish guy that had really bad english skills that just spammed each thread with stuff no one could understand and nigerian prince with 1.6 mln USD that has no sons to pass on his money...don't remember more than that.

    If that would be mp net, no one else but George1 would remain here.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:46 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Very Happy the rebellious South. Very Happy

    Yup. We've never forgotten The War of Northern Aggression and never will.

    The similarities of the two situations are in some ways striking and in other ways vastly different.

    A couple of events here that are rarely noted. One, Poland opened a consulate on southside a little over a year before the Kiev mess started, in a purpose built structure that is considerably larger than would be needed for our sleepy little bucolic village. Why?

    Right Sector 10's were filtering down here from early January. They stood out like a sore thumb and were clearly identifiable. Many of them were seen openly going in and out of the Polish Consulate frequently.

    There were a number of catalysts that told us what was coming and sparked the move to barricade the borders and cities and arm up for defense. Militsiya and DAI heads were quietly replaced with new faces not from Krimu. Militsiya and DAI stations were noted receiving quantities of automats and medium MG's with enough ammo to hold off an army. Right Sector 10's were clearly visible taking over the Tatar demonstration at Krim Rada in Simferopol and it was they who turned violent and tried to storm the building (and in process getting their little back door access deal, watched and ignored by Militsiya guarding that door, a pretty severe nostril braiding). SBU in Sevastopol were noted receiving numerous additional cadre in late January through late February.

    The real spark that set us off was that fateful Monday morning after the coup in Kiev when Yarush and Tyagnibok clearly stated in a live interview on Channel 5 in Kiev, owned by the way by Mr. Poroshenko, that they would lead their combined 5000 fighters and 'come down to Krim and put every Russian to the knife and burn that stinking city (Sevastopol) to the ground'. Within minutes the entire peninsula knew of those statements and at least in our little village on north side the citizens were in the streets, the women with fear in their eyes and the men ready to fight. They were not joking and we knew that fact.

    The rest of the events followed rapidly. The first night on the barricades, 5 around Sevastopol, two at the north borders and three at Yalta, we had nothing but clubs except the north border where there were a few automats amongst the clubs. Krim Rada was secured and fortified well before dawn of the day Right Sector had clearly stated they were going to 'come back and burn Rada to the ground'. Various Militsiya and DAI stations and substations were visited and persuaded to open their armories to Opolchensya. Opolchensya itself grew by leaps and bounds, so many volunteers that there was no way to process them all at first. SBU tried and failed in their attempt to arrest A. Chalyi. Deputats of Sevastopol Rada were caught red handed plotting to hand the keys to the city to Right Sector operatives, overheard by two cleaning ladies who erupted from City Administration Building on Naximova Square screaming bloody murder which brought 5,000 citizens to the streets and squares around the building and stopped the deputat's little plots.

    I could go on for hours laying out the details of what happened but I just don't have the time today. I may add to this tome this evening with a few more details of interest if there is interest.

    very interesting insights in what happened there on the Crimea. im sure there are other members on here that are also curious to this.

    ive seen the documentary Crimea, the way home but as you pointed out it missed parts of what happened and other portions might have been a little out of proportion. still, you can imagine for people living here in the west that take the effort to look that documentary up online it already gave a very different narrative than what "we" see daily pass by here in the western media.

    ....i mean, the reaction among my military friends seeing the Americans where sailing straight towards the Crimea until getting locked by coastal missile defenses got interpreted as "American aggression" on this end.

    perhaps you can write down your experiences and point of view of the events in the Crimea in an separate thread on this forum. if you have and are willing to take that time of course.

    for example, i was not aware of those television broadcasts of stating to start terror campaigns in the Crimea. the Crimea documentary mentioned the train with right sector thugs but not these details.

    its your decision of course, if it takes too much of your time i'd understand.

    I will speak to the mods on forum after my week's probationary membership is up. Anything I write in a new thread with their permission will be as we saw it and as we knew and know it. I will write nothing that we either did not see or we don't have absolute proof happened and this proof may be from people whom we trust explicitly. Anything we did not witness personally will be verified by minimum two trustworthy witnesses, either civilian or military. There will be things I can not go in to detail about, for instance the securing of Krim Rada in Simferopol, but I will tell you we know almost all the boys who did that operation quite well. Trolls will be ignored, which is the proper way to deal with them. Erudite discussions will be most welcome.

    Time for me will be at a premium for next week, we are storming to get ready for Victory Day events. I am also in process of editing the last chapter of my first book for the umpteenth time and will try to publish by the end of May. I'm happy with most of the chapter but I can't get the level of emotion I want from the final quarter of the chapter, although I am satisfied with the last very few paragraphs. When that one is published I will start work on a book about what happened in Krimu and Novorossiya and another tome.  

    When you make the book on Crimea, ill have to purchase a copy.

    ^^^^myself as well
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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:50 pm

    OK, I'll get it rolling in the morning. Where do you suggest I put the thread? Russia or CIS Military?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:53 pm

    both sound good to me, it happened in Ukraine (CIS) but its traditional historical Russian territory and reunited with Russia. you cant go wrong either way. but if a Mod feels it should be put in an different section they always will replace it.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:54 pm

    auslander wrote:OK, I'll get it rolling in the morning. Where do you suggest I put the thread? Russia or CIS Military?

    Make a new one so we can focus an that and not pre-occupy a different thread where people may want to share other views and stuff.
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    Post  gregoire Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:00 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    auslander wrote:I will still discuss with the mods first simply because I don't want any controversy here. I understand that the bovine scatology extant on MPnet is not here and to be quite honest it is quite the refreshing breath of fresh air. As stated I am pressed for time of the moment but I will get something started in the next 24 hours.

    Sounds great. As I said - can't wait to read a first hand account on what/how happened there.

    I am curious too. I can't wait to read it.
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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:07 pm

    Any books I write will be available to members here free of charge. My writing style is a bit different, somewhat formal in Old Russia style but what few friends have seen a snippet or two the reception has been favorable.




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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    auslander wrote:OK, I'll get it rolling in the morning. Where do you suggest I put the thread? Russia or CIS Military?

    Make a new one so we can focus an that and not pre-occupy a different thread where people may want to share other views and stuff.

    OK, being new here, whom should I contact as to where they want the thread?
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    Post  macedonian Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:15 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    auslander wrote:OK, I'll get it rolling in the morning. Where do you suggest I put the thread? Russia or CIS Military?

    Make a new one so we can focus an that and not pre-occupy a different thread where people may want to share other views and stuff.

    OK, being new here, whom should I contact as to where they want the thread?
    Just start the damn thing already...stop teasing...
    Laughing
    Here, I've started one for you:

    Auslander's Crimea Thread
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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:17 pm

    Sigh. OK, here goes.
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    Post  max steel Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:38 pm




    Czech Diplomat Applauds Odessa Massacre


    Bartuška is a notorious Russia hater, he is in his position specifically to placate the Americans. As a former anti-Communist dissident he is viewed as ideologically proper by Washington, and he never disappoints it seems.





    http://russia-insider.com/en/just-burn-or-bury-roadside/6146
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:00 pm

    auslander wrote:Any books I write will be available to members here free of charge. My writing style is a bit different, somewhat formal in Old Russia style but what few friends have seen a snippet or two the reception has been favorable.





    I am not a wealthy man or anything, but if you are going to put time and effort into writing something, I think you should sell it. Or at least set up a yandex money or paypal so we can donate to you. I prefer if I purchase a copy, so you get rewarded for your efforts.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The forum has pretty simple rules, no trolling, no insulting and few others and very patient and moderate mods and admins. No one here was ever banned for making discussions so far only trolls like that pakistanairforce, navy troll guy, some swedish guy that had really bad english skills that just spammed each thread with stuff no one could understand and nigerian prince with 1.6 mln USD that has no sons to pass on his money...don't remember more than that.

    If that would be mp net, no one else but George1 would remain here.

    Really how did i get a downvote for that?
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    Post  auslander Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    auslander wrote:Any books I write will be available to members here free of charge. My writing style is a bit different, somewhat formal in Old Russia style but what few friends have seen a snippet or two the reception has been favorable.





    I am not a wealthy man or anything, but if you are going to put time and effort into writing something, I think you should sell it.  Or at least set up a yandex money or paypal so we can donate to you.  I prefer if I purchase a copy, so you get rewarded for your efforts.

    Nor am I by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps we should discuss this topic further when you see some of the book.
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:11 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The forum has pretty simple rules, no trolling, no insulting and few others and very patient and moderate mods and admins. No one here was ever banned for making discussions so far only trolls like that pakistanairforce, navy troll guy, some swedish guy that had really bad english skills that just spammed each thread with stuff no one could understand and nigerian prince with 1.6 mln USD that has no sons to pass on his money...don't remember more than that.

    If that would be mp net, no one else but George1 would remain here.

    Really how did i get a downvote for that?

    TR1Probably a misclick.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:12 am

    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The forum has pretty simple rules, no trolling, no insulting and few others and very patient and moderate mods and admins. No one here was ever banned for making discussions so far only trolls like that pakistanairforce, navy troll guy, some swedish guy that had really bad english skills that just spammed each thread with stuff no one could understand and nigerian prince with 1.6 mln USD that has no sons to pass on his money...don't remember more than that.

    If that would be mp net, no one else but George1 would remain here.

    Really how did i get a downvote for that?

    TR1Probably a misclick.


    I only downvote very rarely. I also don't read 99% of what Werewolf posts.

    Unlike my butthurt cabal who follows my posts around the forum and downvotes them all.
    I won't lie though, it makes me giggles. I can just imagine the rage some folks see when I post something not quite Russia-mega-strong, and the joint pain they get from jamming the downvote button Very Happy !


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    Post  TR1 Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:16 am

    Werewolf wrote: you are an american pretending to be a russian trying to give yourself credibility online so your anti-russian bullshit gets any credibility.

    haha.

    I love how butthurt you are that I actually have a stake in Russia (via citizenship) while you are, as far as Russia is concerned, a nobody.

    Also classic vitimization - "Russia evil West good" when nobody insinuated nothing of the sort.

    How insecure can one be....
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:20 am

    TR1 wrote:
    2SPOOKY4U wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The forum has pretty simple rules, no trolling, no insulting and few others and very patient and moderate mods and admins. No one here was ever banned for making discussions so far only trolls like that pakistanairforce, navy troll guy, some swedish guy that had really bad english skills that just spammed each thread with stuff no one could understand and nigerian prince with 1.6 mln USD that has no sons to pass on his money...don't remember more than that.

    If that would be mp net, no one else but George1 would remain here.

    Really how did i get a downvote for that?

    TR1Probably a misclick.


    I only downvote very rarely. I also don't read 99% of what Werewolf posts.

    Unlike my butthurt cabal who follows my posts around the forum and downvotes them all.
    I won't lie though, it makes me giggles. I can just imagine the rage some folks see when I post something not quite Russia-mega-strong, and the joint pain they get from jamming the downvote button Very Happy !



    Actually i am very restrained towards you because you already have so many people pissed off that they tend to down vote you long before i could think about it.
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:01 am

    There's an out of control fire burning near the NPP Chernobil and "Yats the Yid" says they don't have enough equipment

    Yatsenyuk: not enough equipment for effort to put out fire near Chernobyl NPP
    http://tass.ru/en/world/792327

    Mixing nuclear power with the crazy Kiev hunta is asking for trouble....it's probably only a matter of time before something bad happens

    ....

    Some Porkyshenko news...

    Roshen says its assets worth $38.9 mln seized in Lipetsk

    MOSCOW, April 28. /TASS/. The property of the Lipetsk confectionary Roshen, which is part of the Roshen Confectionary Corporation, has been seized, the corporation said in a statement on Tuesday.

    Roshen Confectionary Corporation is owned by Ukraine President Pyotr Poroshenko.

    "The total value of the property that was seized on April 24, is 2 bln rubles ($38.9 mln), which is absolutely incomparable with the tax claim worth 180 mln rubles ($3.5 mln) that was laid earlier as part of the initiated criminal case", according to the corporation’s statement.

    The property was seized under the ruling of the Basmany district court in Moscow dated April 16, the corporation said.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/792304
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:42 am

    "I'm going down to see how things are going with the Hohols (Ukranians)" Very Happy
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    Post  auslander Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:14 am

    Real time commo with Gorlovka and environs shortly after midnight. Gorlovka proper is being shelled for three hours from 5 directions. Some private houses and flats houses are burning. Electric is out in at least one district. There are casualties, numbers unknown. Heavy artillery is used and at least one Grad missile has impacted in Gorlovka City proper.

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